IUC World Exclusive: Looks like Madre????

Posted on June 22nd, 2011 by HisHighness in IUC:Bits, IUC:Entertainment, IUC:Exclusive

doopelganger duo… looks like madre???….angie blood????scouring the hub…no body double (in this pic)…poop and boogies…follow the drinking gourd!!!!

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  1. WhiteSwan said on June 22nd, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Not a very clear photo but this is the most Madre look alike I’ve seen – she’s could never be used as a body double maybe a young AJ in a bio film, pre-plastic surgery.

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  2. jan said on June 22nd, 2011 at 8:55 am

    “no body double”. Aha! Thanks.

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  3. WhiteSwansdon'tlielike blackswans said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Doppleganger duo BP&AJ? or JH&AJ?
    Scouring the hub, I couldn’t find meaning but scrubbing the hub is a method of cleaning an injection port to pass fluid/medicine into soft tissue. AJ’s blood run in this girls veins
    Poop and boogies a fathers diary of activities with his sons – Follow the drinking gourd, follow the big dipper leading North. A reference to Undergroung Railway, slaves used to use the big dipper to escape North.
    Is this a reference to NY or a reference to who the father maybe?

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  4. Tamara said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:10 am

    The tag says Angie blood – so Ian – are you trying to tell us that this is in fact AJ’s daughter?? Or do the question marks mean we should question the idea of her having had a child 20 years ago that she gave up for adoption? It looks to me like this girl is trying to make a living by emulating Brad and AJ more than trying to claim her birthright……hmmmm

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  5. WhiteSwansdon'tlielike blackswans said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Scouring the hub is bugging me, there’s so many definitions of HUB depending on where this clue is leading.
    Another is, Hub, California, is an unincorporated community in Kings and Fresno Counties, California.[1] It is located near the former right-of-way of the Southern Pacific Railroad 7.25 miles (12 km) north-northwest of Lemoore

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  6. Lil said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:17 am

    That hotness on this photo is never Ajs daughter! She looks more like a latina.

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  7. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:26 am

    no body double? So I am completely wrong about double in NO? LOL I will never get film noir detective cred like this. She sure did look a lot different just a week or so later. Shows how much I know.

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  8. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:33 am

    I think “no body double” means were not talking about look-alikes or body doubles used in film or as a distraction. Previous posts don’t mean body double but the real thing, someone that looks like her for a reason, a daughter. This woman really does have a striking resemblance to her, but so can a lot of others.

    But if it is a daughter why not just say so because Ian’s obviously got her cooperating in a photo. I think this doopelganger duo (in the photo) is a representation, of them and someone else who looks like mother. The are trying to control this thus continuing the usual PR.

    That’s what I’m getting out of this. It’s interesting it’s tagged so openly. And I think of Sandy’s post that the end has been put off a few times. My guess is that goes to her state of mind.

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    ghostly counterpart….looks like mother…rubbing hard to clear the center/focal point…children/more of the same….unique historical remnant/heading north out of AL/GA/FL (? 11th circuit) lyrics to the song head out of AL following the big dipper

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  9. Tamara said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 am

    @Dream:
    lol Well, at least you got an answer – that is a rare thing eh? We don’t have to go down that path now.

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  10. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 am

    I think “no body double” means that this, and the previous posts, is not about a body double in films or for distraction, but about someone that looks like her for a reason, a daughter. This woman really does have a strong resemblance, but so do others when made up intentionally to look like her.

    But if this is the real person why not just write the headline, Ian’s got her cooperating in a photo what more backup is needed? I think this doopelganger duo is meant to represent them and someone else related to her (imo, the woman pictured is really to dark skinned to connect back to the V. family history back in March). They are trying to control this, trying hard to clean the center or focal point, thus the same PR tactics are being used.

    That’s what I’m getting out of this post. I just don’t see Ian posting this to question whether rumors are true. And I think of Sandy’s post about the end continually put off. My guess is that goes to her state of mind.

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    ghostly counterpart…looks like mother….rubbing hard to clean off or pass quickly over the ceter of activity…no body double/real thing…children/”more of the same”…unique historical remnant/moving north out of AL/GA/FL (11th circuit)/the song lyrics head out of AL, out of slavery following the big dipper.

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  11. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Wow, my posts are not showing up and I wrote it twice because it was my mistake. Sorry if it eventually posts twice. I’ve never had this happen before.

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  12. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:57 am

    @Tamara:
    LOL I will never get this stuff but I do have a good time here.

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  13. Guest2 said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:03 am

    @rushdog:
    It’s happened to me before too. I’ve also noticed that sometimes I’ll read through the posts and then when I go back to re-read something a post has popped up that wasn’t there before. At first I though I just missed it but it’s happened a few times so I think occasionally there’s a delay in posts appearing. Not sure why that happens but I hope your post appears soon because I always look forward to getting your take on these clues.

    I don’t think you are Ian though I have to admit I’ve wondered that myself because you are so good at this. But if you are, please keep it a secret so the bad guys don’t know about it :)

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  14. Guest2 said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:06 am

    When I first saw the picture above I thought it was vanessa minillo and m. mcconaghey (sp?). I really haven’t any idea what this means. Will wait for the regulars.

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  15. Guest2 said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:08 am

    @Guest2:
    I also think that woman has an amazing body and legs.

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  16. Tamara said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:13 am

    @Guest2:
    Has someone accused Rush of being Ian? lol Well, okay then, he has sooo many personalities then doesn’t he? lol He is also Kate, Keane and Sugar Ray so maybe we should just start calling him Sybill! :)

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  17. Guest2 said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:20 am

    @Tamara:
    On the other thread Cardak wondered if Rush was Ian. Then Child of Medusa responded with an interesting comment. Too long to write here because I’m rushed but it’s worth reading – it’s at the end of the thread to save you time. I have to admit that I’ve often wondered if some of the posters are Ian. But then I’ve also thought some of the posters are angie or james. In short, I don’t really know who anyone is except for me and at times I wonder about that too :) Speaking of Kate, I wonder where she is. Haven’t heard from her in a while.

    Are the two people above the same ones that appeared in the photos with Ian?

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  18. Child Of Medusa said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Scouring the Hub – removing a dirty obstruction.

    Madre – Haiti – demanding rights for women. They have a website too.

    The drinking Gourd is a song!

    When the sun goes back
    and the first quail calls
    Follow the drinking gourd
    The old man is a-waitin’ for
    to carry you to freedom
    Follow the drinking gourd

    Chorus
    Follow the drinking gourd,
    follow the drinking gourd
    For the old man is a-waitin’
    to carry you to freedom
    Follow the drinking gourd

    The river bed makes a mighty fine road,
    Dead trees to show you the way
    And it’s left foot, peg foot, traveling on
    Follow the drinking gourd

    The river ends between two hills
    Follow the drinking gourd
    There’s another river on the other side
    Follow the drinking gourd

    I thought I heard the angels say
    Follow the drinking gourd
    The stars in the heavens
    gonna show you the way
    Follow the drinking gourd

    Follow the Drinking Gourd” is a coded song that gives the route for an escape from Alabama and Mississippi. Of all the routes out of the Deep South, this is the only one for which the details survive. The route instructions were given to slaves by an old man named Peg Leg Joe. Working as an itinerant carpenter, he spent winters in the South, moving from plantation to plantation, teaching slaves this escape route.

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  19. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:23 am

    @Guest2:
    It’s weird, mine usually pop up right away so I thought I forgot to hit “post reply” and tried to re-write my thoughts. Ugh!

    Tamara – trust I’m not Ian, lol. I thought you were Kate or was that Togi who was accused of being Kate or one in the same? It was way back. Posters names came up as a combination and accusations were thrown about.

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  20. WTF said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:26 am

    do not see a resembelance to Angie at all…….

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  21. Tamara said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:31 am

    @rushdog:
    Yea, that was on FF years ago – and no matter what we said they wouldn’t believe us – so we just stopped trying – funny though because after awhile people’s writing styles are easily identifiable – I couldn’t write like Kate or anyone else for that matter – even if I tried – so it was a nonsensical argument IMO.

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  22. Newbie said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Doppleganger duo…is the couple in the picture twins/siblings?

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  23. Child Of Medusa said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:38 am

    If the clues are going down the “Angelina Daughter route” who is the suggested father?

    I may be wrong but from the past two clues – both of these young ladies look bi-racial.

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  24. Justa Visitor said on June 22nd, 2011 at 11:22 am

    I have no idea about the clues, but the girl is beautiful. I would like a more close-up picture of her.

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  25. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 11:29 am

    @Child Of Medusa:
    I agree w/bi-racial, said that the other day too. What I said in my non-posting-posts was that “no body double” meant that the look-alike/body double line of thought was not right. It’s the hidden daughter trail and I still believe that this woman is meant to represent that person. If this was actually the person then why doesn’t Ian just post the headline because he’s got her cooperating in a photo. JMO on the clues and the posts from the previous days.

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  26. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 11:38 am

    ghostly counterpart…looks like mother…rubbing hard to clean or pass over the center of interest or focal point…the real thing…a child(ren)/”more of the same”…unique historical remnant/escape from slavery/song lyrics interpretation – heading north, days getting longer, AL breeding season (quail), follow the big dipper.

    AL, FL, GA = 11th circuit (from way back in Feb think it was clue #10)

    My guess is rumors of a daughter are spreading and the they are trying to keep it quiet/deflect attention, same old PR tactics.

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  27. WTF said on June 22nd, 2011 at 11:40 am

    @rushdog:
    me thinks if there is a daughter , she would be well paid to stay quiet.

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  28. Child Of Medusa said on June 22nd, 2011 at 11:53 am

    @rushdog:

    I think he has to be careful with his clues. It’ no secret Jolie floats around occasionally – I don’t think he would put himself so clearly in the firing.

    I Believe the lyrics in the song regarding slaves and freedom – and the Bi-racial ladies all have some strong connection. Also the removing of an obstruction? The freedom clearly suggests escape – perhaps this is what the girl in question is trying to do. Perhaps she is being silenced?

    If such a daughter does exist – how can Jolie keep it quiet forever?
    Many celebrities buy the silence of others – but some cannot be bought – they have other intentions, such as revenge.

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  29. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 11:56 am

    @WTF:
    well that’s what the famewhore farrah blind suggests. I take these blinds with a grain of salt but the “famewhore” has what I would consider a rather extreme suggestion which leads me to think it just may be true.

    so bizzare that some of my posts are here but whenever I write what I think the riddle means it won’t post.

    Someone hidden looks like her mother and they’re trying to keep it quiet using their standard PR tactics to deflect attention from the center of activity or to pass over it quickly.

    “follow the drinking gourd” – considered a unique historical remnant

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  30. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    @Child Of Medusa:
    It seems if I reply to someone I can actually get my thoughts to post. So I’ve got 3 non-posting-posts in the ozone. Sorry if they all appear later.

    Was reading on the previous thread and I agree sometimes we delve into these clue too far. I’m not sure that they’re meant to be that difficult either. I’ve got gut feelings on the last couple of weeks of posts so am not going in circles trying to find an answer.

    “Follow the drinking gourd” lyric meanings – heading north, late winter and spring, days getting longer, Alabama breeding season (quail), big dipper….

    drinking gourd – a ladle used by slaves to drink water, underground railroad

    AL, FL, GA – 11th circuit (from back in Feb was it clue #10). This must tie in somehow.

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  31. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    @Child Of Medusa:
    heck what ever you think of roseanne barr you have to give it to her, she handled her surprise kid well. just came out and said yep screwed up when i was young here she is and invited her into the family.

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  32. Sandy said on June 22nd, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    I think this just could be her daughter (or represent her daughter) — I think the father could be Mick Jagguar. And, guys don’t bite my head off for saying this but, I believe Mick Jagguar is Angie’s biological father. During the time the John Voight and Angie’s mother were together, they were known to take part in orgies — I think Mick Jagguar impregnated Angie’s mom, thus Angie’s born.

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  33. WTF said on June 22nd, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    @Sandy:
    so you think Angie screwed mick jagger, got pregnant, then found out mick was really her father and not jon voight?? hmmm well that would screw a person up royally for life.

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  34. joanne said on June 22nd, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    @Sandy:
    I always thought so too. I saw a picture of young jagger and it could have passed for a young jolie. How old was she in the stones Anbody seen my baby?

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  35. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Ian found AS son but the information was taken out of The Governator when it was published. He said in an interview that he thought there were more children w/other women. He can find this stuff because he digs the muck and the muck can be a part of the truth.

    doopelganger – ghostly counterparts/tangible double of a living person
    duo – two people, both are represented in the photo above.

    Whatever happened to that Sudanese model? That child would be bi-racial…hmm…
    Madre, the Hub and “follow the drinking gourd” all have human rights or civil rights connotations. Slavery, underground railroad – involves keeping something controlled and hidden against someone’s wishes….

    This is about ghostly counterparts for BOTH of them? Is that why they are “scouring the hub”..why the end never arrives?

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  36. Sandy said on June 22nd, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    @WTF: I agree.

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  37. Bob said on June 22nd, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Doppelganger is a likeness/double of a living person. A doppelganger duo — that’s 2 doppelgangers — so in the picture, she looks like AJ and he looks like BP (not so much to me).

    no body double (in this pic) — could be the photo from the earlier post was a body double but this one’s the real daughter

    Scouring the hub — searching in Boston OR could be cleaning the connection (they are looking for her or records of her in Boston, OR they are trying to wipe away any records of her being given up for adoption)

    poop and boogies — the blog was intended for the dad to keep in touch with extended family in Pennsylvania when the dad moved to Orlando, Florida. They dad and his family have since returned to Pennsylvania. Maybe the AJ lookalike’s father is in touch with the lookalike, and the lookalike is in Florida. Perhaps she’s originally from Pennsylvania?

    follow the drinking gourd — follow the stars to freedom (go north — again I’m thinking Pennsylvania or Boston)

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  38. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    @Sandy:
    Would never bite someone’s head off, we’re all entitled to our thoughts. I believe Ian said (could have been on a radio show) that Mick was not her father. I think really old posts might suggest that he got her cherry. IMO she’s got JV’s eyes. But there was that Mick post back in April and it had the tenebrous train, love train clue.

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  39. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    @Bob:
    We’re on the same wavelength!

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  40. Bob said on June 22nd, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    @rushdog:
    Ya cool! I liked today’s post. Something to analyse more than just a photo.

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  41. Tamara said on June 22nd, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    @Newbie:
    To me it looked like they were two people posing as Brad and Angie lookalikes hence the doppleganger reference.

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  42. Bob said on June 22nd, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Interesting — AJ was in Kravitz’s Stand by My Woman video in 1991. 20 years ago.

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  43. payal said on June 22nd, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    there are some new private pictures of jen and justin on ff

    i have to say they do look like couple but i dont know everytime i see justins face i get this really uncomfortable feeling.

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  44. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    When the clue was posted earlier did it include the words “(in this pic)” after “no body double” the way I read it now? Maybe I just read it too quickly and missed the parenthesis “in this pic” earlier. Does anybody know?

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  45. Bob said on June 22nd, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    @rushdog:
    It wasn’t there before.

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  46. Evil Kitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    Hey peeps, just for something different, a hub is also a connection point for devices in a computer network, used to connect segments of a LAN as a conduit for the data. Scouring the hub could indicate someone who is trying to erase all data/information on something, possibly info. that is out on the net? Also, hub is a connection city of Airlines. In the south, Atlanta is a major hub. Wasn’t there talk of the 11th district court being in GA? Could her daugher live there maybe? I think the doppleganger clue means Ang and James Haven as they look so much alike. The Famewhore Farrah blind indicated she had a child with someone who shares her blood, so I am guessing that James could be the father. Also, the no double in this pic, to me indicates this clue only is not referring to doubles, but the previous clue may have been, So Dream, maybe that is still a possibility of the Brange using doubles. As I am typing this, I just noticed too that the clue says doopleganger due, wonder if that is a typo or if it means, dooping, fooling the public?

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  47. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    @Bob:
    Thank you. I thought I was losing it. Needed more coffee earlier and now I may have had too much!

    Well then…this is no body double or representation….this is the real thing. With the insertion of “in this pic” imo that’s what he means. Ian inserted the words so we’d get it right.

    doopelganger duo – the couple looks like the real thing, but the female – this is Angieblood???

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  48. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    @Evil Kitty:
    Good ideas on “hub” there are many options. Erasing information on the internet or keeping it off the internet would make sense. Keeping the information clean and positive. Controlling the image. Yes I think that would fit.

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  49. WCKitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    The man in this picture looks like the man wearing sunglasses posing with the look-alike (?) in the other picture.

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  50. Patty anne said on June 22nd, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Just click on the picture and then click again until you get a large picture of her. She’s lovely and bears a very strong resemblance to Jolie. Could she be a cousin? Jon has two brothers but I’m not sure if they have daughters. Other than the skin tone and the brown eyes and a much healthier body, this could be Jolie. Amazing. And yes, the young man bears a resemblance to M. McConaughy. Hmmmm, Brad should have waited for the better version. @Justa Visitor:

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  51. Tetta said on June 22nd, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    If Mick Jagger is Angelinas father she shares his blood. If Angelina also has a child with Mick Jagger all three of them share blood. Lenny Krawits moved to Carlifornia around 1990. His agent is CAA. Ever heard about them before ? Lenny Kawits has made music together with Mick Jagger in the beginning of the 1990th´s. LK also prodused an album for “the french artis Vanessa Paradise ” in 1993. Then we have Wyclyf Jean on the map. He was born in Haiti but moved to New York with his dad when he was a child. He isn´t a slave from the south but at least he moved to NY.

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  52. Patty anne said on June 22nd, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    someone is scouring the Internet and removing data about Jolie. There were several articles I’d saved that have vanished in the past three months time. Fortunately I do screen shots of those I deem most important so that I can keep them safe.@Evil Kitty:

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  53. Evil Kitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Also, Madre, the organization for women’s rights, is located in NY, which is also a major hub city. There has been alot of reference to NY in Ian’s clues and as some have said, Ang went to live in NY when she was 16, 17 and maybe she did have this daughter while there. Madre means mother in Spanish also. Another possibility I am thinking is maybe the tie in to the Madre org could indicate either the daughter had rights violated, maybe freedom of speech or even that Ang may have had her rights violated if/when she bacame pregnant, maybe it was against her will? I don’t like to think about these things, but you never know. All of this is, ofcourse, is IMO and just guesses about the clue.

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  54. Tetta said on June 22nd, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    If you google Lenny Krawits, photos, you could ask “who´s your padre” ? His face has the same shape as both Angelina and the girl in the picture. I could really understand if she fell for LK at that time.

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  55. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    @WCKitty:
    I agree that the man looks like the same person in the group picture. I initially thought the woman was the same woman but with her hair straightened. On second look the hair looks darker to me. The previous pictures focus on the woman, the look-alike to her. Is that to focus the attention on the mother?

    But why “doopelganger duo” now? To show that’s why he’s still with her, the two in the picture represent the couple or do both represent the mother?

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  56. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    @Patty anne:
    ty the little pic was driving me mad.

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  57. Patty anne said on June 22nd, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    doopelganger duo: The young woman looks just like Angelina Jolie and the young man looks just like Matthew McConaughy, like looking into a mirror.

    looks like madre’? : Asking if the young woman who is Angie’s image ” looks like her mother” (Angie)

    scouring the hub: I agree with Evil Kitty on this. Cleaning up clues left on the Internet (Angie’s people)

    no body double (in this pic) : this is the real deal whereas Angie uses body doubles this woman has no need.

    poop and boogies: A stay at home dad’s blog from Michigan. Purpose to promote stay at home dads.Brad?, Jon Voight? or another yet identified father.

    follow the drinking gourd : already covered – song with directions.

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  58. Patty anne said on June 22nd, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    you are most welcome dream. Helping one another speeds up the solving of the riddles. :-) @Dream:

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  59. WCKitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    LOL, I am totally confused and I am not nearly as good at these clues as you are! Why has the original group picture been replaced with a sideways photo of the look-alike (?) in the previous clue? The same picture of the woman is in another clue; upright? Also, the same man appears to being used in two photos, or is he also a look-alike. Not everything is at it appears?

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  60. WCKitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    My previous message was directed at Rushdog.

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  61. Justa Visitor said on June 22nd, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    @Patty anne:

    Thanks, Patty Anne! I’m a bit duh at times.

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  62. Sandy said on June 22nd, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    My interpretation is this: – Angie uses doubles for herself, however this little girl is no double — she is the real thing (the child Angie’s hiding away). I don’t think the girl is biracial — Angie is slightly olive color and Mick Jagguar has an olive color — exotic look to himself — this could easily be their child. I still believe Angie may be Mick’s kid — I don’t believe Ian would divulge the truth in who this child’s father is. There are reputations at stake where the father in this matter is concerned — Angie was an underage kid and Mick a much, much older man when this child was conceived, not to mention the fact that Mick could easily turn out to be her bio dad. Look at all of Mick’s kids and look at Angie before plastic surgery… JUST SAYING…

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  63. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    @Sandy:
    Well that’s such a convoluted mess it’s got to be true!! lol. Just having a child would be a problem but a father/dad situation would be scandalous even for HW.

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  64. WCKitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    @Sandy:
    He was also married with two young children. While he was known to sleep-around with other women, it took him fathering a child with another woman, for Jerry to leave/divorce him.

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  65. Evil Kitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    @Sandy:

    That would be quite a scandal, for sure. I always thought Ang resembled Jon Voight, but when I googled pics of MJ when he was young, there is a resemblance there too. What do you think of James Haven? He and Ang look so much alike. Do you think they are both possibly children of MJ or the siblings have different fathers?

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  66. Evil Kitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    Another thing, I remember when McKenzie Phillips was promoting her auto biography book and making the talk show rounds. I remember her saying something about MJ either actually having sex with her or tried to, cannot remember exactly, but she said he told her he was waiting for her to grow up so he could have her and she was really young at the time, like 12, 13 or whatevs. So I could def see MJ not having any qualms about getting involved with an underage girl like that, but him being AJ’s dad and also baby daddy, a bit of a stretch, but I guess anything is possible in Hollyweird. As Tetta said it would fit the FF blind also with sharing the same blood.

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  67. Sandy said on June 22nd, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    @Evil Kitty:I think the siblings have different fathers. I believe Jon to be James’ father, but not Angie’s. These guys all hung out together during the time of Angie’s conception and they were known to be HEAVY INTO ORGIES/DRUGS. Angie and James do have the same mother, so that could be why they have a resemblance.

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  68. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    @WCKitty:
    IMO these aren’t just random posts but put out in a certain order for a reason. I don’t think these are just meant for the posters here, but sending a message to someone. Via the look-alike 6/15 post, Ian is annoucing that he found someone. With the second 6/19 he’s emphasizing he’s “discovered” this and not backing down, and the switch to a sideways pic to replace the group shot represents they’re in a rush to cover it up/her world is turned on end. Then today’s post is the proof, no body double. And I think the Jen post is in here to indicate that she’s distancing herself from this because she has an “extraordinary friendship” w/her x. Just my opinion on all of this.

    6/15 Which one is hotter…Angie look-alike Poses for Pic w/HRH (originally a group shot pic then changed to sideways pic of 6/19 pic)
    6/16 Jen & Justin
    6/19 HRH discovers Angie look-alike (pic of female w/resemblance to AJ)
    6/22 Looks like Madre (pic of the doppeleganger couple w/different female?) “no body double (in this pic)” paren words added after the initial post

    What about the “angieblood???” Back in Feb there was plenty of “blood” references in some of the clues which I thought had to do with rage (and maybe it did) but I wonder if it didn’t represent what caused the end.

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  69. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    @Dream:
    I LOVE ROSEANNE! I LOVE ROSEANNE! everything about her i don’t care. i love her.
    if jolie’s offspring who is said to be a clone of her came out in full view now, jolie would look like hammered sh!t in comparison. she is not gonna let that happen if she can help it.

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  70. Evil Kitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    @Sandy:

    ty for the reply Sandy. It sounds like they all had an interesting past for sure. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree it seems :)

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  71. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    @Evil Kitty:
    He told her he was waiting for her to turn 14 and came on to her on her 14th bday i believe had just came here to say the same thing lol and believe it or not she told him no.

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  72. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    @Sandy:
    also sort of explains some of the plastic surgery trying to look like james. but then her mother saying she looked like jv could also.

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  73. WCKitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    I also wondered if the sideways picture meant her world was turned on end or something similar. I never thought that maybe these messages were meant for others as well, though I believe that has been hinted at before. I agree that there was a lot of references to blood and I also thought that it had to do with rage. Wasn’t that around the time there was rumors of an ambulance being called?

    You are very good at these clues and I enjoy reading your posts. :)

    .@rushdog:

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  74. Evil Kitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    @Dream:

    Thanks for setting the record straight Dream. I couldn’t quite remember and was to lazy to google it, teehee. I just get a feeling that M. Phillips was telling the truth about it all and I’m glad she turned MJ down too.

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  75. Evil Kitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    @rushdog:

    Yeah Rush, I likey your thoughts too. It makes sense the way you explain it.

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  76. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    @Evil Kitty:
    didn’t google it either jsut remembered the 14th bday thing. really creeped me out. shes been in my prayers since. she obviously had a hard upbringing despite being the daughter of a rich man.

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  77. Evil Kitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    @Dream:

    Yeah, she did have a rocky life. Hopefully better times these days for her.

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  78. Bob said on June 22nd, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    What’s the latest on James Haven? Haven’t heard anything about him in a looong time.

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  79. Tetta said on June 22nd, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    I don´t know if this link works. But if it does it support the theory that MJ could be AJ´s father and maybe even father / grandfather to AJ´s daughter. The question is if Jon Voight isn´t Angelinas dad, has he jused Angelina for his own purposes the last years ? Or has Angelina used JV to deflect from the truth. And if MJ is AJ´s father when did she learned that. Now I´m almost talking to myself.In the old videos with AJ and JV they do seem like daughter and father. Perhaps she didn´t know the truth back then and it was before she had giving birth to an unknown child.

    http://legendecelebrityart.com/index.php/tag/by-terry-oneill/

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  80. Evil Kitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    @Bob:

    He spends his days on this site posting as one ‘Black Swan’, just kidding :) Yeah, dude dropped off the radar it seems. I remember seeing a thread over at FF with him going to the TOF premier in LA with his fiance. He is engaged and I heard he had become a born again christian, although don’t know if he still is. I wish he would pop up as I find him kind of interesting and funny.

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  81. Guest2 said on June 22nd, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    Fascinating stuff here today. Not much time right now but the only problem I have with Voight not being angie’s father is that Shiloh bears a very strong resemblance to JV, in my opinion.

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  82. Sutara said on June 22nd, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    I just saved the photo and used Photoscape to sharpen and zoom in. Her face does look very familiar…

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  83. SparklingTwinkle said on June 22nd, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    WOW she really does look like Angelina- but a healthier, more exotic version.

    If this is hinting towards Angelinas daughter coming forward – maybe the dad is:
    Meatloaf??
    Mick Jagger??
    Billy Drago??
    Chris Mastrandrea??
    Micheal Russo??
    Scott Plank??

    oh my.. the lust could be endless….. oops I meant “list” ;)

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  84. Bob said on June 22nd, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    @Evil Kitty: Ya he was a character. Maybe he’s been $ilenced.

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  85. Evil Kitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    @Bob:

    lol, that could be.

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  86. WhiteSwansdon'tlielike blackswans said on June 22nd, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    I’ve just spent some time studying pictures of all involved including Mick J’s kids and I see no resemblance between AJ & MJ. I came across the same photo as Tetta and there is a resemblance between James & Mick. I was also blown away by the resemblance between Shiloh and JV

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  87. Bob said on June 22nd, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    @WhiteSwansdon’tlielike blackswans: Ya, there’s a total resemblance between Shiloh and JV. But google MJ’s other daughter Georgia. She’s a model and looks like a relative of AJ except with blonde hair.

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  88. Tetta said on June 22nd, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Is the fact that somebody got to know about the girl in the photo the “irrepairable” thing from februari this year ?

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  89. WhiteSwansdon'tlielike blackswans said on June 22nd, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    @Bob:
    Oh thank you for blowing that theory out the water lol. I missed her grown up photos, I only saw her younger ones, this one is of her with darker hair and the same eye colour as AJ http://newsodrome.com/celebrity_news/georgia-jagger-and-amber-le-bon-face-off-21740929

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  90. WhiteSwansdon'tlielike blackswans said on June 22nd, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    @WhiteSwansdon’tlielike blackswans:

    Forget it that’s Amber Le Bon not Georgia. I think Georgia has an unique look and is stunning, not like AJ at all, so I’m back on track.

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  91. Bob said on June 22nd, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    @WhiteSwansdon’tlielike blackswans:
    She is a pretty girl, but I can see some similarities between them (pre-nose job, etc.).

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  92. Renee said on June 22nd, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    I think it’s hard to dispute AJ is JVs daughter. I don’t think the mystery lies there and to my knowledge there is no rumour circulating about JV not being AJs dad.

    I think it is plausible that AJ is the Farrah Famewhore discussed in the blind piece. It is also believable that she would want to hide the existence of this daughter because:
    (a) she would not want to reveal the dad’s identity if it is so shocking;
    (b) that would cause mass speculation about her brother and her and would
    (c) start up the incest story all over again.

    Apart from her image, her kids might be getting old enough to start being affected.

    Somehow, I think she wants to bury this as deep as possible and hope that the public will forget the brother loving that was going on pre-BBT…. the daughter would only revive the suspicions.

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  93. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    i think that hollywood royalty are just as inbred as the european royalty. they both try to keep it all in the family, but with a price, hapsburg jaw, haemophilia, fertility issues, but they keep sniffing for and follow bloodlines. these royal stars know they are used, most of them aren’t aware how much.

    http://freshpics.blogspot.com/2010/03/celebrities-who-look-like-other.html

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  94. Cilla S said on June 22nd, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    @payal:
    Yeah cause he’s gay or bi.

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  95. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    It’s summer and people in my house are bored already! I’ve had to be the taxi today but driving gives me time to think. What is the male doing in the picture? If the female is the connection then why put the male in the picture, to represent a fake couple? It says “no body double (in this pic)” in this pic, none. So the male can’t be a double or a representation either, right? That’s how I see it, lol at least for the moment:).

    doopelganger duo…looks like mom – the duo looks like mom?

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  96. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    rushdog I think I caused the no body double in this pic problem. it didn’t say in this pic until i made a comment about a comment i made yesterday.
    I theorized yesterday the pics in NO might have been body double, then this morning the clue said no body doubles. So I asked if that meant no body double in NO. afterwords the wording was changed.

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  97. Patty anne said on June 22nd, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    These clues give us all a duh moment sometimes. LOL But it’s fun working them as a group, fun and entertainment.@Justa Visitor:

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  98. jan said on June 22nd, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Are the two people in the pic twins?

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  99. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    @Dream:
    I don’t know Dream. We throw guesses around all the time and he doesn’t comment. Ian could have just responded directly to you in a post, but he put it in the clue. He changed the clue. That changed my guess. I felt they were representations but “no body double” means the real thing, imo.

    When I look at a larger pic I see a little bit of V. family features in the male.

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  100. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    @rushdog:
    k just didn’t want to cause confusion. i know u know ur stuff.

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  101. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    @jan:
    I was thinking bro/sis but not necessarily twins. They’re nice looking young people.

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  102. Patty anne said on June 22nd, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    As a suggestion maybe we could search photos of Jon Voight’s two brothers and compare? Perhaps they also have children? Just for comparison of course.@rushdog:

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  103. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    @Dream:
    Thanks for the comment but I’m not sure I know anything!!

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  104. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    when i enlarged the pic, i think his right hand might be on the top of her behind. is that kosher for bro and sis? it’s not where i come from.

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  105. Evil Kitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:

    It’s Kosher if you are a voight. Sorry, I just had to go there, bad mind.

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  106. Evil Kitty said on June 22nd, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    @rushdog:

    So Rush, what are you now thinking with the two in this pic?

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  107. Up the Coast said on June 22nd, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:
    :lol: Nadya Suleman and Angelina Jolie :lol:

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  108. Up the Coast said on June 22nd, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    @rushdog:
    Do you think Ian is trying to tell us that this girl is the mom….she supplied the egg/eggs for one of the bios?

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  109. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    @Up the Coast:
    hi! i know, jolie should be feel honored by nadya’s shout out, but no, she is all snotty about it and got “totally creeped out”. hahaha

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  110. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    @Up the Coast:
    ohhh that never even crossed my mind.

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  111. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:
    lol now she knows how we feel.

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  112. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    @Evil Kitty:
    i went there too.

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  113. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    @Dream:
    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!! omg.

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  114. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    @Dream:
    the debolts doc. what an uplifting view! i remembered karen like it was yesterday!

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  115. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:
    lol how much of that would she go to jail for now tho? I have always been in awe of her. I grew up with a family like that in my family. My mom’s best friend growing up kept foster children.

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  116. Guest2 said on June 22nd, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    @Renee:
    Renee, I agree with what you’ve said. The couple in the picture above look like brother and sister. Maybe the daughter bears such a strong resemblance to both her mother and her father that her parentage might be obvious to everyone and that is why they are trying to keep this hidden. If it weren’t for that I think she would have found a way to use the situation to her advantage. JMO.

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  117. tete said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Completely off topic: Ian, when will we start getting some dirt on the royal family?

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  118. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    yeah, i wondered about that too. getting in trouble for this or that.
    when she walked up to JR in his wheelchair and so warmly and intimately brought him into her family forever i melted. and when she talked to them about grandma, with summer on her lap. somehow she may have known summer would have harder time, her little face immediately started to flush. and then karen finally did…i was gawn. she and he were firm when needed. poor JR on those steps, but i am sure with all the love going around in that house he knew they were as good as there with him. she did it right, i would have not.

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  119. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    Is it just me or does it look like the girl in the pic has a cleft in her bottom lip like aj? She does look a lot like aj but has a heavier lower body. if it’s aj’s daughter I don’t see where she could have inherited that from aj and jh.

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  120. Guest2 said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:
    She got totally creeped out by Nadya? I’m creeped out by her. Octomom did put a stop to their child collecting though didn’t she? Only two more and she’ll be octomom too. Or should I say one more?

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  121. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:
    lol but 17 handicapped kids in a pool together? lol would never be allowed now. or older brother helping the girls to bathe. but they were such a loving family so amazing to see them. very real.

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  122. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    @Guest2:
    lol ,

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  123. Guest2 said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    @Dream:
    I don’t think this is aj’s daughter. She doesn’t have the bug eyes that aj had pre-surgery. The same eyes that James has. We have to remember that the resemblance to aj would be pre-plastic surgery so we’d have to look at older pics of her.

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  124. Up the Coast said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:
    She’s too good for Nadya :lol: I was looking at JonV’s biography, keeping in mind that him and March could have been partying or going to orgies (eww ;) ) in that case….her father could be anyone in HW…maybe even Martin Sheen??? :lol: Anyways…….IDK :) I think she looks like JV, myself.

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  125. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    @Evil Kitty:
    @Up the Coast:
    No, I personally think the clues are meant to indicate the female is a daughter and not a donor or surrogate. Looks like Madre?? imo the female pictured bears a strong resemblance to AJ, so she looks like her mother. And again, what is the male doing in this “no body double in this pic” unless he’s the female’s boyfriend.

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  126. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:
    I also noticed that his hand seemed a little low on her back. Could be the camera angle, but maybe not…

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  127. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    @Dream:
    yeah, i noticed those things like that. but families used to be that way more than now. my 2 bathed together. until they were about that age. it seemed normal to me. it was a quick in and out deal but they talked the whole time. there was plenty of room in that big tub and two dirty kids. with supper always waiting. life was different even back in the early eighties. i miss the eighties dream. i was so young. when they were jogging past the lake and mom ahead of the ones in back and they were on crutches i was cringing. but i was always scared growing up and with kids that something bad would happen. she said when you get used to handling bigger issues, you realize worrying about the small things is futile or it just doesn’t happen. she said it much better than i.

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  128. Up the Coast said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    @rushdog:
    Thanks for responding so quickly…..and I agree, she does bear a very strong resemblance to AJ, only better, imo. I wonder how Ian found her? I also think she looks bi-racial, but I don’t really think that’s much of a scandal in this day and age. I’m also wondering why she would even go full term with an unwanted pregnancy, when she could have easily aborted it and no one would have ever been the wiser.

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  129. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:
    i didn’t have a problem with anything they did. btw my first kid was in the 70’s so i remember those times well. it’s funny to see how times have changed tho.

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  130. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    @rushdog:
    i tend to think it is actually resting as it looks in the pic.
    out on a limb, i say it is her daughter and her daughter’s b/f.

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  131. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    @Up the Coast:
    young girls are often idealistic. she could have thought it would be all puppies and hello kitty world.

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  132. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    @Dream:
    i mostly see the negative side in societal change. mostly. :( :(

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  133. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    @Dream:
    me either, but things did stand out. just showing girls that age dressing/undressing with their shirts off i would think would be a no-no now, but for good reason, as pervs seem to be every where.

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  134. Guest2 said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Here’s aj before and after surgery. Although she’s young in the before pic I think a daughter would look more like that than the after pic.

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/angelina-240582-nose-jolie.html?pic=1

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  135. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    i resent like holy hell that i could not let my children walk to the store or run to the park bathroom or to the bayou by themselves. and now it it worse.
    @selfffrighteouswhore:

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  136. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    @Up the Coast:
    Sometimes there’s no acknowledgement until the person is too far along. My cousin was like that, in her late teens she didn’t know what to say. The family finally noticed.

    Could have been too traumatic to consider abortion, and if this is true I think she deserves some credit for giving the child up. And probably never expected to have the situation re-enter her life except the child grew up to look too much like her. Would turn anyone’s world on end. Just guessing on all of this.

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  137. Up the Coast said on June 22nd, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    @Dream:
    That could be…..I remember having a rosey view of the world and believing that there was good in everyone, and then I met someone who showed me I was wrong :(

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  138. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    @Guest2:
    wow, looking through those pics of her i believe she would be sooo much more beautiful today at her age if she had not done a thing to her face. that is sad. i guess she is vain, maybe she did not realize how beautiful she was or she was trying not to look so much like her daddy dearest, which is what i think. the old jolie looked so much like jon voight to me, i think a perfect mix of her parents, marcia and jon. shiloh’s looks to me are half and half mix of pitt/jolie. i wonder whose nose she will have.

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  139. Up the Coast said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:
    Me too SRW :cry: booo-hoooo….

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  140. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    @Up the Coast:
    there with ya girl.

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  141. rushdog said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    @Patty anne:
    I don’t think I can search for anyone else to make a comparison. My head would spin and I’ve got to just stop at some point!

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  142. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:
    So true when we are young we just don”t have the ability to think like an adult yet. what seems obvious now would not at 16 17 yrs old.
    i am not sure how to feel about this. it would be shocking to have a kid show back up but i would think most mothers would be thrilled to find the lost baby they gave up. not pay her to stay the hell out of their life. no one would be that shocked, we don’t know the identity of her live in boyfriend at 14 why would no name for the father be a big deal. just say he wants to remain anonymous.

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  143. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    @Dream:
    lol that was to rush dog. i apparently don’t know how to post yet.@rushdog:

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  144. Up the Coast said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    @rushdog:
    As much as it pains me to give her credit for anything ;) I would agree with you, especially when our society has made it so easy….But we are still left with WHO was the father and WHY was AJ having sexual relations with him at such a young age?

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  145. Up the Coast said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:
    Probably whichever one the doctor gives her :shock:

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  146. Up the Coast said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    @Guest2:
    Those pictures leave no doubt….noses don’t grow like that with age :lol:

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  147. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    @Dream:
    when i read the blind item i took it as a blood relative… some one she NEVER should have been with, and then blood was mentioned. i cant remember it now. so i am surprised that this girl is darker skinned than jolie.
    she would keep her hidden for a couple reasons if my view of jolie is true. she is vain and still trying to stay queen so why bring a beautiful, younger, pre plastic surgery clone out for the world to compare this drugged out mess to?
    also hiding a kid away from your love and care and then running off to save everyone else’s on camera is pretty shitty.
    and who is the never should have been messing with man. never. never is a long time. to me that meant incest.

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  148. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    ooopsie!

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  149. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    i do notice that the pics roll over as ” angie blood??? ”
    but the actual pics are labeled ” angie-blood “

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  150. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:
    I understand the incest thing i still thin k it could be handled in a way that ,that would not come out. I just think that it’s a huge mistake not to handle a mystery child. there’s no way to spin it if you don’t take charge from the beginning.
    am i even making any sense at all?

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  151. Up the Coast said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:
    I think she is shitty! She is MORE part of the problem than being part of any fricken’ solution! ;)

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  152. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    @Dream:
    yes, i’m sorry you are making sense. and that is why this, if true, that she has another on the sly and away from her is baaad pr for her. it could have been handled in some way that she could have been involved and loved this child. unless her guilty conscience and the lip smacking butt fondling with her brother episodes has her nervous. if it came out now, about this child, people would wonder why the hell this saintly savior to the world’s babes was so callous as that. maybe incest would immediately pop into their heads, it explains alot of her self destructive behavior. i think people will run right to that idea.

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  153. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    @Up the Coast:
    she is helping the UN and herself only. both are trouble.
    govtl powers can spin bitter truth into sweet cotton candy however they want. we are saving babies and freedom loving/starving people who can’t help themselves….yada yada.
    that is what they do when they want to go to war.
    make sh!t up.

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  154. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    i think you were right on dream about how roseanne handled it.
    be up front.
    people understand.

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  155. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    this is making my head hurt lol

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  156. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    shotgun coming dream’s way………….

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  157. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    it is time for me to watch more DIRT!

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  158. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    nite all!!!

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  159. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:
    night

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  160. Up the Coast said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    I’m just glad that Ange has 6 nannies and probably isn’t ever alone with those kids. Hahaha….she’s probably glad about that too :)

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  161. sinker said on June 22nd, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    http://ianundercover.com/2011/02/28/iuc-world-exclusive-keeping-it-in-the-family/

    i was reminded of this thread for some reason…

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  162. Up the Coast said on June 22nd, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:
    good night

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  163. Meg said on June 22nd, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    There is problem with the site, and maybe that’s why posts are disappearing. Follow this to see:
    1. click on the PICTURE of ‘Looks like madre’ and you will be taken to a separate comment board
    2. click on ‘HRH dscovers angie lookalike’ – same thing
    3. click on sideways pic of the young woman – same …

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  164. Dream said on June 22nd, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    @Meg:
    i think those are on purpose. they have been there for a while.

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  165. Meg said on June 23rd, 2011 at 1:08 am

    @Dream:
    Dream, yes they started appearing lately but I don’t see a purpose behind 2 separate boards on the same topic, while both are public and accessible… do you?

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  166. Tetta said on June 23rd, 2011 at 5:36 am

    For me the second commentary boards means that it´s hidden, here you can say what you really think without being ashamed. And another thing. In the clue Ian mention “Poos and boggies”. If you go to that blog and look at the logo it has a second sentence “My parents´influences on me as a parent”. In the beginning of this clue someone mentioned the groupsex that took place when Jon and Marcelina were young or something like that. And something about Angelina following her parents pattern.
    Who could have participated in groupsex with Angelina around 1990. Marcelinas boyfriend ( not a big scandal), James Haven, Jon Voight, Mick Jagger, Lenny Krawitz ? I know I take many steps backward with this but I think we havn´t thought enough of “Poos and boggies”. Angelina slept with someone she should “NEVER” had slept with. IMO that excludes all but Jon Voight and Jamed Haven. Of cours also Angelinas uncles if they were in the same worm pit but there hasn´t been any post that leads in that direction.

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  167. Tetta said on June 23rd, 2011 at 5:38 am

    ….or under the surface there is another reality.

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  168. Tetta said on June 23rd, 2011 at 6:08 am

    As I seem to be alone on here at this time of the day I will tell about another thought. Jon Voight divorced Marcelina when Angelina was born. AJ had to spent the two first year of her life in an empty white room together with a nanny because she reminded Marcelina to much about Jon Voight. Maybe JV left because he got to know Angelina wasn´t his child. Maybe Angelina was hidden because she reminded Marcelina about who was the father of Angelina.

    But at the same time there are photos of Angelina as a kid together with JV and he really seems to care about her as a daughter so I still have a big questionmark abot AJ´s father.

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  169. Renee said on June 23rd, 2011 at 6:38 am

    Hm…. I was thinking at another level on this one.

    Third post about a mysterious woman that looks like AJ.

    Now, either :
    - HRH is really interested in promoting some random chick on his blog (and toy with us), or
    - he is trying to irritate AJ by posting pics of a lookalike and letting us speculate (toying with all of us), or
    - or he is trying to suss someone out on this – either AJ or the rumoured daughter (still toying) or
    - this is AJs daughter… but why would SHE be playing this game? why would she not simply come out fully? or is she taunting AJ?…

    So we are either being toyed with, or witnessing some sort of taunt. Just an interesting observation.

    Remember —– those people whose photos are posted here have to have consented to the use of the photos, so think about that for a bit.

    Multiple postings… why?

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  170. lookyloo said on June 23rd, 2011 at 6:57 am

    @Up the Coast:
    Given the reports that AJ slept with her mother’s boyfriend, we can assume that they didn’t have the best of relationships and there was a great deal of competition going on between them. I’m going to guess it reached to all the men in their lives at the time…..JV, JH, MJ, etc.. I don’t think AJ has grown into the psycho we see now., she’s always been like that. I wouldn’t put it past her to have wanted to deliberately flaunt a pregnancy to her mother. If she was competing with her mother for a mans affections, a pregnancy might have looked like the ultimate “win” to a teenager.

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  171. Guest2 said on June 23rd, 2011 at 7:09 am

    @sinker:

    Sinker, thank you for linking to that clue. There was a post there that has always been in the back of my mind about jon voight hanging with nicholson and polanski but I never took the time to search for it. This is what rushdog posted and Ian’s response.
    rushdog said on February 28th, 2011 at 9:13 am
    The last three posts have been about the Voight Family

    El Indio = Haven (post is about him/not sure if El Indio represents him)
    Count Pepi = Voight
    Santopinto = Angelina

    This would be why JV image burns Santopinto.

    I don’t believe there are any other people referenced in them. I believe SR has made reference to this sort of scenario in past posts in 2009 but it was hard to tell who the “adult” would have been. Seems to be clear here. Didn’t Voight hang with the Nicolson, Polanski crowd back in the ‘70.

    Count Pepi Le Loup – JV the wolf
    (a wolf personality is intelligent, very social, friendly, people often misinterpret as vicious. But the reality depends on the individual personality of the wolf.)

    JV has a good/friendly image, but the reality is different. IAN IF THIS IS THE WRONG DIRECTION PLEASE INDICATE SOMETHING.

    Reply HisHighness said on February 28th, 2011 at 9:14 am
    @rushdog:
    Bravo!!!!

    I was thinking about the comment JV made about angie needing to get help for her mental illness or something to that effect. What if she threatened to expose him for what he’d done and he was setting the stage for his defense if something came out. It could be why she keeps him away from her children. If something unspeakable happened to her when she was very young then the psychological damage would most likely be irreparable. It would explain also her relationship with her brother – boundaries crossed the better part of her life. I don’t think voight ever remarried after divorcing her mother or did he? Were there any girlfriends we know about? He does give off a creepy vibe, always has to me. This is all JMO and I sure hope I am wrong.

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  172. Guest2 said on June 23rd, 2011 at 7:23 am

    @Guest2:
    P.S. There is a two hour time difference between Rush’s post and Ian’s reply but on the thread there are no comments posted in between their two posts so I’m certain this is what Ian replied to. I didn’t have time to read anything else on that thread so maybe someone will find something else.

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  173. Sandy said on June 23rd, 2011 at 7:46 am

    I also believe that Shilo may be the biological child of Voight and Angie — this would not be incest because I don’t believe Voight to be Angie’s father, however an inappropriate relationship it is/was.

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  174. Newbie said on June 23rd, 2011 at 8:21 am

    @rushdog:
    That is what my first thought was…I posted earlier. If you look at their faces they have the same cheekbones, chin, lips, teeth, high forehead…they probably would have the same eyes if you took off all her eye makeup. If they are in Florida as someone mentioned earlier, she could just be one of those lucky people who tan easily.

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  175. jan said on June 23rd, 2011 at 9:00 am

    @Newbie:
    Yep. I believe she could be tanned, esp. in Miami.

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  176. WCKitty said on June 23rd, 2011 at 10:57 am

    @Tetta:
    I think that Angelina is JV’s daughter. If he left because she isn’t, then why has he tried to be involved since she is older? I agree that Marcelina didn’t want much to do with Angie because she reminded her of JV.

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  177. Tetta said on June 23rd, 2011 at 11:02 am

    This get more and more scary. Maybe it will end with all of us falling down and cry for Angelina. The last alternative have never been in my mind. If Shiloh is the daughter of JV do you think he has abused Angelina or that they have been in a relationship by free will ?

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  178. Sandy said on June 23rd, 2011 at 11:32 am

    @Tetta: I think their relationship had to be one of abuse. JV was an adult and AJ a child. I always thought it odd how JV cried because Angie no longer spoke to him — it almost was like past lover casted him aside…

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  179. Dream said on June 23rd, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    @Guest2:
    I have always wondered about jv comment to the media that aj needed mental help. he was her next of kin at the time why, if he felt she needed care that badly did he just not intervene and have her committed?

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  180. Up the Coast said on June 23rd, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    @lookyloo:
    I agree with you, I think she feels she’s in competition with all the women around her, and now she has daughters :( I’ve been wondering the same thing about Casey Anthony, with her pregnancy. Neither one of these women were made, they were born this way.

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  181. sinker said on June 23rd, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    @Guest2:
    maybe someone already said this, but the guy in photo looks like James Haven.

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  182. Guest2 said on June 23rd, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    I think there is a resemblance between the two people in the picture almost like they are brother and sister so maybe the clue is suggesting something like that. If there was an abusive relationship with angie from when she was young it could have continued into adulthood I suppose, don’t know. Angie is an adult and I think it’s very difficult for a father to commit an adult child to a mental hospital against their will. I think it’s weird for a father to say in an interview that their child needs mental help. Why would he do that other than to make people think she’s crazy. From the modeling pictures I’ve seen of a teenage angie I think she’s been exploited for sure and maybe worse along the way. Her own mother was calling her sexy when she was just two years old. If you want to talk about crazy, that woman was I think. Gotta run, just no time today. I’ll catch you all tonight.

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  183. Guest2 said on June 23rd, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    @WCKitty:
    I think JV is angie’s father too.

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  184. jan said on June 23rd, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    That’s what men always say when they are trying to put blame away from themselves and onto the woman. You know that thing: “ahh, she’s crazy!”.

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  185. Cardak said on June 23rd, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    @Renee:
    Good points!

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  186. elephant said on June 23rd, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    @Bob:
    ANGELINA Jolie is something of a sex fiend if these latest reports are to be believed!

    In his new book about the actress, respected British author Andrew Morton claims Angelina had “torrid affairs” with actor Ralph Fiennes and singer Lenny Kravitz.

    Jolie — who currently raises six children with partner Brad Pitt, whom she got to know in 2005 while he was still married to Jennifer Aniston — met Kravitz when she appeared in his Stand By My Woman video.

    “Angie and Lenny would hook up all the time,” a source said. “This would be hard to explain to Brad, because Angie has said many times that she really didn’t have that many lovers.

    “The book couldn’t have come at a worse time for Angie. She has so much stress on her plate right now, so it’s bound to have sent her into a total tailspin.”

    It has also been claimed that Jolie had an affair with actor Ethan Hawke while he was still married to actress Uma Thurman.

    “Angie and Ethan couldn’t keep their hands to themselves, and they spent a lot of hot nights together in their hotel suite,” a source told America’s Star magazine.

    But the fling didn’t last long, the sources says, because “Ethan was two-timing Angelina” with Canadian model Jen Perzow.

    “Angelina has long had a fascination with seducing guys with wives. She always told Brad he was the only married man she had been with,” a source said. “If he knew the truth, it would break his heart.”

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  187. sinker said on June 23rd, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    @elephant:
    i read that is was Uma who gave AJ the “town pump” nickname. would love it if that were true.

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  188. sinker said on June 23rd, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    @Guest2:

    at 1:30 in this vid, they show the letter. yes, her mom did say this about a TWO YEAR OLD: “She’s sexy, beautiful, funny and very, very cunning.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyL7mONciR0

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  189. Guest2 said on June 23rd, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    @sinker:
    I’ve seen this video but I’ll watch it again tonight when I get home from work. I don’t have sound here. The sexy part is definitely very weird but the term “cunning” is an old fashioned way to describe babies or young children who are very cute. I remember old ladies saying it when I was young “oh, isn’t she cunning”. I’m sure that’s what her mother meant when she used that word, not the other meaning of being wicked or manipulative so I’ll give her a pass on that but not on anything else.

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  190. jan said on June 23rd, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    I’ve not been able to get that “sexy” comment out of my head. I went to the video on youtube and watched it.

    Here’s what I got:

    Hawaii has one of the most well known illuminati mind control facilities of all. The song “Somewhere over the Rainbow” is from the Wizard of Oz. The Oz theme is one of the most used themes for illum. mkultra trauma based mind control. The word sexy would be a normal word for an illum family to use because they “train” the kids from a very young age and sex is definitely involved in that, as well as torture. AJ herself said that in kindergarten she felt sexual or something like that. Duh.

    Anyone here?

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  191. elephant said on June 23rd, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    @jan:
    I am here, not sure how long ago you posted and I have no idea what anyone’s background is, but you are correct in your statements (from what I have heard) on the subject. My first reaction was the same as yours, and then I got ill. ILLuminati, it’s disgusting what they do, it’s just sick. her father was in quite the pack of friends, all centered around it supposidly, and her mother. Bohemian Grove.

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  192. elephant said on June 23rd, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    @jan:
    I am here, not sure how long ago you posted and I have no idea what anyone’s background is, but you are correct in your statements (from what I have heard) on the subject. My first reaction was the same as yours, and then I got ill. ILLuminati, it’s disgusting what they do, it’s just sick. her father was in quite the pack of friends, all centered around it supposidly, and her mother. Bohemian Grove. JMO

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  193. jan said on June 24th, 2011 at 7:43 am

    @elephant:
    Good someone saw that. To clarify, I am not saying outright that is what happened to her as a kid-just pondering and giving my gut reactions.

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  194. sinker said on June 24th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    @Guest2:

    Maybe, but I’ve only heard cunning used that way in British shows. The primary definition is: Having or showing skill in achieving one’s ends by deceit or evasion. I see that quote as a clue that she was perhaps a born sociopath. (I have to add, I am convinced that AJ is a sociopath because of what is fact about her actions/past such as when she admitted to trying to kill her pets, etc.) Or maybe she became that way very early on due to her environment (nature/nurture/both?) Just makes me sad for the kids.

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  195. Guest2 said on June 24th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    @sinker:
    Don’t disagree aj may be a sociopath and that may be why brad is still with her and the kids (for their protection). I know the primary definition of cunning but I was giving you my experience with the use of the word back in the day (in the New England area hence the British connection, I suppose). It was very common for the old ladies to use it to describe cute kids and then they pinched your cheeks. Language does change over the years (I remember when gay meant happy) and age 2 or 3 seems a little young to be diagnosed a sociopath. Also, the term sociopath was not really used that much back in the 70’s. JMO, I believe her mother used the word to mean very cute but I guess only she knows for sure and she ain’t tellin!

    Not to make a big deal of this but I’ve seen other posters take her mother’s use of the word cunning as meaning something diabolical so here is the definition (note it says dated for the third definition):
    cunning
    Definition
    cun·ning[ kúnning ]To hear the pronunciation, install SilverlightADJECTIVE
    1. crafty and deceitful: clever or artful in a way that is intended to deceive
    2. cleverly thought out: showing skill, shrewdness, and ingenuity in planning or doing something
    3. cute: attractive in a pleasant delicate way ( dated informal )
    NOUN
    1. craftiness and deceitfulness: the ability to deceive in a clever subtle way
    2. skillful performance: skillful ingenuity or grace in doing something

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  196. selfffrighteouswhore said on June 24th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    ‘cunning’ to describe young jolie is ok word, tots are sly little foxes.
    ’sexy’ is NOT OK EVER for 2-3. EVER.

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  197. Guest2 said on June 24th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    @selfffrighteouswhore:
    AGREE. The word cunning is the only thing I gave her a free pass on and I harped on that only because it was a language issue. Everything else she said and the way she raised her children is not ok. I do believe something bad happened in their childhood that has made angie what she is today, and james too.

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  198. Evil Kitty said on June 24th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    I think Jolie inherited the krazee from her Mama. I actually think Jon Voight seems like a stand up guy for the most part. I know I am probably alone in that though. Actually in Ian’s book ‘Brangelina’, JV was shown in a positive light as a father, although limited in seeing his kids due to the divorce and for awhile Marceleine moved the kids from CA to NY, so their dad was in a different state, but still made an effort to see his kids. From what I got from Ian’s book is that Ang started acting differently in NY and that’s when she started with her dark side.

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