IUC World Exclusive: Another Clue – El Indio

Posted on February 25th, 2011 by HisHighness in IUC:Entertainment, IUC:Exclusive

El Indio…The Informer…James for sale…no strings attached.haven behind it all

  1. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    WOW – scroll the pic. Yeah, I’d say it was/is primo. You’re rocking big time Ian. Thank you.

    Think there’s any concern about his sister here or just $?

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  2. janica said on February 25th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Wow-wa.

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  3. stinky-inky said on February 25th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Here’s the Haven clue! So is Haven The Informer? “Frankie, Frankie! Your mudder forgives me!”

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  4. elby said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Is his nose growing? Does he “inform” the stories AJ wants planted?

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  5. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Interesting picture. The puppet is cutting the strings. And no strings attached to the info. Double meaning?

    JH did attend the Salt premiere in July ‘10 as did JV. I wonder if there’s been a falling out since then. Maybe he’s tired of being used. This was obvious w/out the picture. The story won’t break anywhere w/out a source willing to go on record w/a name and face. Disgruntled family member, yeah that would work.

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  6. stinky-inky said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    El Indio: Other than a million restaurants, the only person with that nickname is Carlos Quintana, a boxer.

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  7. stinky-inky said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    @stinky-inky:
    I meant the only person I could find in a short and sweet google search.

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  8. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    El Indio translates from spanish to english as The Indian.

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  9. Patty Anne said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Does this then mean James has cut his strings binding him to his sister, informed on her to Brad, and that’s how Brad won his independence from the ho?

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  10. Shocking Blue said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    El Indio is a product line that sells Wiccan and ritual stuff. Online it says you can buy things to get rid of evil in your life and other esoteric things.

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  11. Patty Anne said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    El Indio is also a Mexican restaurant that made the word “Taquito” famous. Taquito = little taco (Vivienen or Angie?)

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  12. stinky-inky said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Wasn’t BP frustrated with JH leaking info to the paps/press and had him barred from the household a few years ago?

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  13. Patty Anne said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    The Informer: An Irish informer informs on his friend (James told on Angie)

    no strings attached: Jame has cut his ties to his sister finally ( being her partner in her crimes)

    James for sale: Angie is done with James

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  14. Meg said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    El Indio quotes:
    From For a Few Dollars More (1965)
    El Indio: [Talking about Agua Caliente] Yes, I have many friends here. It looks just like a morgue. But look out. It could be one so easily.
    [Looks at Groggy]
    El Indio: They don’t like strangers, huh?
    Groggy: No. They don’t like anybody!

    James is cutting the strings, no longer wants to be a puppet. For sale – ready to change owners. AJ last bastion of support decided to leave.

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  15. elby said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Maybe he has cut the strings and is no longer planting lies because he has genuine concern for his sister.

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  16. Shocking Blue said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    @Shocking Blue: When I googled El Indio, in addition to the many Mexican restaurants that came up, I found this site: https://www.wisdomproducts.com/

    It’s the only connection that seems to fit so far.

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  17. Patty Anne said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Just a year ago Born Again Christian James Haven initiated the reunion between Angie and their father Jon Voight. Seems James has been trying to get his sister to clean up her act. It’s also said she was so put out with her brother preaching to the kids that she kicked him to the curb over it.

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  18. Justa Visitor said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    So, was JH a puppet of hers and he is finally cutting strings? She paid him off to keep his mouth shut about her manipulations? Or is he concerned with her well-being and not allowing her to indulge in any more bad behavior? It is still hard for me to believe that she could fake a pregnancy. There is no way she could have kept her hands off of BP long enough to fake a pregnancy. Fake twins just seems too way out there. Is it possible that the don’t belong to Brad? I believe that is possible. I also believe she could have had them implanted. I also believe she could have lied about birth control when she became pregnant with the first bio. I would also say that when the women of Bosnia protested this supposed masterpiece she was creating and petitioned the UN to strip her of her #1 PR ploy; her current films tanked; and she was blindsided with the celebrated jabs by Ricky Gervais…well, it certainly hasn’t been business as usual for her. Makes one wonder whether her PR people have ordered her to stay out of sight for a while. They have to know that much of the general public don’t buy her crap, anymore. I believe it has backfired. It would seem considering all that she has admitted about herself, that she probably wasn’t too easy to live with after that. I’m not saying that what HH is saying is untrue. I think these are all possibilities, too.

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  19. Stickthin said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    JH provides sample to fertilise because BP refused. JH informed on her now separated from the tribe. Has cut the strings attaching him to AJ. Now threatening to sell story.

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  20. Shocking Blue said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    @Meg:This is a very interesting interpretation of El Indio too!

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  21. Shocking Blue said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Could JH be HRH’s source? Or one of his sources?

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  22. Justa Visitor said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Oh…and go HH and JH!

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  23. elby said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    I remember so well when her father made that sincere public plea about how worried he was about his daughter and she then totally cut him out of her life. Her entire family must be very concerned about the downward spiral and may realize they must stop enabling her. She needs help IMO.

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  24. Justa Visitor said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    @Stickthin:

    I can believe that…but would she be so stupid as to not consider the possibilities of deformity and developmental issues?

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  25. Stickthin said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    @Justa Visitor:
    I do not think she is a rational person. She publicly stated she wanted her brother’s babies. If you do a search you will find her quote.

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  26. sinker said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    THANK YOU HRH! Should I be embarrassed to admit that I have been waiting for months for even a tiny JH tidbit? and now here it is and I am practically speechless. Can’t believe this particular scenario never even crossed my mind! THANKS for the Haven clue!!!!!! Need to let this sink in for a bit.

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  27. Meg said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    @Patty Anne:
    That makes sense. James is Christian and wants to help his sister out of this mess. She is a witch and uses anything and everybody to her purpose. James decided to out her antics and expose her in order to help her. Let’s face it… she is getting more evil by a day.
    Truth shall set you free.

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  28. Shocking Blue said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Unless I’m just reading this totally wrong, this clue is screaming that JH is HRH’s source.

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  29. Meg said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    @Stickthin:
    To want babies with brother and the brother to agree to that fuckery are 2 different things… Anybody and my dog know playing with your genes like that is asking for retarded offspring

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  30. Stickthin said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Having looked at the photos of Vivienne, in my lay opinion, that beautiful child has a disability.

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  31. Meg said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    @Shocking Blue:
    Ian must have 2 sources, not just one. He is very intelligent and wouldn’t create a stir based on one source.
    Deuteronomy 17:6
    King James Bible
    At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

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  32. stinky-inky said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    @Meg:
    Calling Father Merrin. Father Merrin please report to the Brangelina compound.

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  33. Justa Visitor said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    @Stickthin:

    Oh geez. Thanks, I missed that one. On a side note, I’m shocked that JH has not had any more publicity or notoriety than he has had. He is beautiful.

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  34. sinker said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    i am not sure james is still born-again. he was hot and heavy with saddleback church and rick warren in 2007/2008 and was en route to become a youth pastor i believe, but in the past 2 years, have seen nothing to indicate that continued beyond 2008, although it could have. i get the feeling JH is somewhat easily “taken in” by snake charmers (his sister and rick warren come to mind..)

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  35. lookyloo said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    El Indio can have a derogatory meaning – if I’m reading this right, especially as it translates to French.

    In international policy, the term used by consensus by indigenous delegates and international institutions is “indigenous peoples” or “an indigenous person”.

    Many indigenous peoples from North America, however, prefer the term Native American, Native Peoples or simply the name of their people in their own language.

    In Central and South America, the term used today, internationally as well as regionally, is “pueblos indígenas” or “una persona o individuo indígena” or “un indígena”.

    In certain places however, and among certain people, the term “indio” can be used very affectionately when there is a frienship established. Usually this refers to someone who is darker in complexion or has long hair or a somewhat bohemian appearance or lifestyle, but not always. But you have to be very careful because if the context is not clearly friendly, it can also be taken questionably or as an insult.

    By the way, be careful if you ever cross over into French. It doesn’t translate – you have the problem of “faux amis” (false friends). The term used in international policy and accepted by indigenous peoples themselves in French-speaking regions is “peuples autochtones”. Never use the term “indigènes” because this means indigent people, and is especially derogatory in French.

    I think in the context of Mexicans in California, it generally has a friendly “clan” connotation among friends. But again, it depends on the context. Since there is now a middle to upper class of Mexicans established in California and a self-denominated Chicano population, the term “indio” among themselves could be used in a derogatory way to refer to one of a lower or working class, recently migrated or who happens to have stronger indigenous rather than mestizo or white physical characteristics, the latter of which unfortunately is still considered by some to be “superior”.

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  36. Meg said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    @stinky-inky:
    LOL, there were more articles yesterday on AJ buying witchy amulets for BP… She won’t let go and she will use sorcery http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1360393/Angelina-Jolies-small-gesture-Brad-Pitt.html

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  37. Justa Visitor said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    If somehow JH was involved as far as in-vitro (which I’m doubting, hopefully…) could it be that his conscience has gotten the best of him? As far as AJ being witchy…she behaves that way in the figurative sense, but Wiccans firmly believe that harming others by spell or otherwise will revisit you threefold. Any Wiccans present, feel free to correct me. Satanists, on the other hand, live by the mantra to do as thou will. I think she is simply drawing from anything and everything that she feels will mean gains for herself and not necessarily to any one prescribed belief. (Though the post about her tatoos was definitely interesting…would love to know more about them.)

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  38. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    I think Ian has multiple sources, many. How many were in the book? Hundreds?

    My immediate reaction was that he was HH’s main source. havenbehinditall It’s either the story here, all the other stories out there, or both (kinda think it’s both). jmo. If JH is looking to help his sister he would reveal the story not shop it around. It clearly says The Informer….James for sale….

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  39. Shocking Blue said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    @Meg: Maybe the amulet purchases ties into the El Indio Wiccan and ritual products sold online.

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  40. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    OK, payal, my theory on the twins is V is JH (invitro she carried one/multiple eggs are planted it’s common that all won’t take – ??the other girl) and K is BP’s w/someone else. IMHO

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  41. Meg said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    @Justa Visitor:
    She draws from all backgrounds and beliefs and combines it all, the link i provided explains it all. One thing for sure, you dub in sorcery and one day you’ll have to pay. Anybody who ever tried that stuff knows it’s not pretty.

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  42. Guest2 said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    I was posting as Guest but not to be confused with bobo I am now posting as Guest2. From Wikipedia…The Informer is a 1935 movie about the Irish War of Independence where a man informs on his best friend who is in the IRA in order to collect the money. The film traces his conscience-stricken emotional disintegration that eventually leads him to give himself away.

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  43. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    @lookyloo:
    El Indio is NOT a french word.

    :)

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  44. elby said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Surely any fertility clinic would not just accept any old sperm you bring in? I don’t really know the process, but the IVF from your brother theory is too far fetched for me.

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  45. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    @lookyloo:
    And “indigènes” does not mean indigent, which, in French, is translated by “indigent”. “Indigène” also means people originating from the specifiic area one is taking about. Though, it is true “autochtone” is a much more classy way to say that.

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  46. Stickthin said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    I have no inside knowledge, just theorising. Just puzzled how BP would agree to more children so soon after S was born. Also seems like he had already wanted out of the relationship a year after she was born. So how come 2 babies are made.

    @rushdog – I also think AJ was pregnant but with one viable twin and one which died in the early stages of the pregnancy. That is why her stomach was small and she used extra padding ontop to make it look like she was carrying 2 full term babies. Might explain the confusing statements afterwards. And what seems clear is that HG had a baby girl called Rafaealla at some point.

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  47. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    @elby:
    In our world, yes far fetched. When you have millions sadly, MJ, ANS the list goes on…..there’s a way to get what you want and she seems to be very good at it. Why would her brother be for sale with no strings attached….because he wants to help her or stop her and bring her down.

    IMO the picture painted in these puzzles is not a very pretty one of her.

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  48. Shocking Blue said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    @rushdog:I agree. Multiple sources for HRH, but JH is one of the ‘primo sources’ referred to earlier.

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  49. liv4 said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    From just looking at the photo only, it looks like the puppet has cut his own strings, so JH would be the one that cut the strings that tie him to AJ?

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  50. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    mistak: “taLking about”

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  51. Shocking Blue said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    @liv4:Yes.

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  52. Dream said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    @elby:
    lol see octomom. i think u can talk just about anyone into anything if u have enough money or dirt on them.

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  53. elby said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    @rushdog:
    The surrogacy theory makes more sense to me. She just seemed to sick and frail to me to carry even one baby, much less twins, to full term. The JH as father has crossed my mind before, especially when the Bloody Mary clues came out. There was a novel about Anne Boleyn convincing her brother to impregnate her since she knew she had to get pregnant to hold on to her husband, and she did have a stillborn deformed baby. I guess I just do not want to go there, because I just don’t believe she would be able to convince JH.

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  54. liv4 said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    El indio: Is also a hunting service
    The informer: Informers was a series of loosely connected short stories involving sex, drugs and violence.
    James for sale: He will tell his stories for money?
    No strings attached: A movie, rather current one, where two friends have sex and worry their friendship will be ruined and decide they will have sex but can do whatever they want but one falls in love.

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  55. lookyloo said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    @Passingby:
    Who said it was French? It says it does not translate to French.

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  56. Justa Visitor said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    @Meg:

    Thanks! I didn’t see your link. I agree. When you mess with the black stuff, it accepts no IOUs. It is a very powerful and nefarious avenue in which to pursue one’s ambitions.

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  57. Shocking Blue said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    @elby:IMO, AJ had her eggs and BP’s swimmers IVFed into Holly. The twins were surrogate all the way.

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  58. Louisianagurl said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    El Indio – character from “A Few Dollar’s More”
    El Indio (Spanish for “The Indian”) played by Gian Maria Volontè (appearing in the cast as Jon Wels) is a ruthless character, In a flashback sequence it is revealed that he shot a young man and raped his wife. The girl shot herself in the process. The girl was the sister of Van Cleef’s character. El Indio smokes what seems to be cannabis or opium to ease the intensity of the memory. In the film El Indio has a gang of fourteen men who rob the bank in El Paso.

    The Informer:
    A Novel :Berlin in 1930 is a city of dark paranoia and covert power struggles, where violence can erupt at any moment. The Brownshirts dominate the streets, but the Red Front is building its insurgence.

    Gaelle, a beautiful but desperate young prostitute with a scar across one side of her face, trades in something far more powerful—and dangerous—than sex: information. To possess her, men will do more than pay—they will tell her secrets. What Gaelle wants is protection.

    Felix, a sixteen-year-old boy with a lame foot, negotiates Gaelle’s price, accompanies her in limousines when she feels threatened, and reminds her to take care of herself. But can he really keep her from harm?

    Armina Treffen is an investigator for the Berlin Police. Several women’s bodies have been found in the park, murdered in the same manner, and Armina, too, seeks Gaelle’s confidence to help her catch a serial killer.

    Even as Gaelle tries to protect herself by possessing information, she becomes more entangled in a complex web of politics and murder in a city in which men will go to any length to maintain the power of silence.

    No strings Attached

    is the name of an NSYNC album that has them on the cover looking like marionettes…just like the pic on this clue. The album includes songs the songs:

    Just got paid
    Bye Bye Bye
    It makes me ill
    That’s when I’ll stop loving you
    I thought she knew
    No strings attached

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  59. FlowerZombie said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Does AJ JH uncle Chip Taylor have anything to do with this? Not the current topic but a while back some of the clues might have pointed to him pehaps being involved in some capacity – at least in AJ earlier life

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  60. elby said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    @Shocking Blue:
    That makes sense to me, but I am surprised BP agreed to more children.

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  61. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    @lookyloo:
    Ah, ok.

    So I think I do not get why you’re looking for its meaning in French.. I do not see the link with the clues

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  62. Dream said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    lol how funny is it the clue is the story of a good fairy doing good as apposed to a bad witch doing evil? very appropriate for this story.

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  63. whatever said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    just recently it was put out in the media that Brad and Angelina are having financial troubles, and that Brad had fire a lot of “staff” to downsize.

    Was James Haven one of those, that got the ax? No more supporting a 37 yr old man, that can go out and find a job for himself, instead of leeching off his sister and her lover boy??

    Is this why Haven has decided to start selling information??

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  64. miapaloma said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    The National Enquirer (2009) is reporting that Angelina Jolie wants to adopt and raise a child with her brother, James Haven. The same brother that she kissed on the mouth at the 2000 Oscar ceremony. The same brother that she said she was “so in love with”…

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  65. stinky-inky said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    @elby:
    Doesn’t it have to be, you know, fresh?

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  66. Shocking Blue said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    @elby:Maybe he didn’t. Maybe he had made a deposit in the bank earlier that AJ decided on her own to use. IMO, I think that’s what happened to John Travolta and his new baby.

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  67. lookyloo said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    @Passingby:
    I wasn’t looking for it’s meaning in French since the blurb I found says it doesn’t translate – By the way, be careful if you ever cross over into French. It doesn’t translate – you have the problem of “faux amis” (false friends). My thinking was that El Indio can be used as a derogatory term – maybe JH was playing as a false friend(bro) to AJ and leaking stories.

    Just trying to play along……didn’t think anyone’s input was right or wrong since it’s all just GUESSES….sheesh!

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  68. Shocking Blue said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    @stinky-inky:No it doesn’t Elby. Sperm can be frozen and be viable for years. Men who have testicular cancer will have their sperm frozen before having surgery so they can have children later.

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  69. inOttawa said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    @Meg: I do not believe this angle at all. Falls totally flat for me for all the obvious reasons.

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  70. Tamara said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    It sounds to me like James has cut the string from his sister – no longer her puppet and what he knows can be bought – James for sale. Can anyone say Christopher Ciccone?? haha

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  71. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    omg.

    following a comment from here:

    http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/board/fake-twin-pregnancy-what-is-wrong-with-this-picture-t226229-75.html

    i looked at the second pic here:

    http://jolie-pitt-fans.popsugar.com/Angelina-Jolie-Barnes-Noble-Bookstore-Austin-Texas-1107123

    What do you think ? Is that “transparency effect” photoshop or what ?

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  72. HisHighness said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Lots of good answers…still need to solve El Indio. Hope everyone has a great weekend. xoxoxoxo

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  73. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    @elby:
    I have seen a few, very thin frail looking women (you would bet the house that there are eating disorders) who carry perfectly healthy babies to full term. Twins seems less plausible, and come on…..she’s using this “I’ve changed my life” slogan to sell herself, she’s gets “the man” away from “the sweatheart,” gives him a child right away in addition a burgeoning rainbow family, travels the world by private jet, receiving increasing respect for her work for others, and then happens to give “the man” a set of twins – a girl and a boy. I’m all for hope and redemption and accomplishment but this was all so far out for someone with what is self-described as some difficulties in childhood, wild-ways, a limited education and so on….. This is what caused me to go “huh?” something’s not right here.

    A surrogacy is no big deal to me other than she/they allowed (as usual) the press to go off the charts and she paraded that belly around quietly yet assiduously “look at me, look at me….” and it sold more than a few movies. That’s why I think there’s something more to this story. If this is just a surrogacy she’s really off-her-rocker.

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  74. inOttawa said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    @elby: The novel you refer to was historical fiction. It made for a good story but it was not reality. My sense is that this angle really undermines the credibility of this discussion … but I have to admit, it is way better than the bickering that has taken alot of space in these posts!! :)

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  75. lookyloo said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    James for sale

    @HisHighness – maybe if you set up a fund and we can all chip in and buy him together…… ;)

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  76. liv4 said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    @Tamara:I think you just simplified the whole thing – James has cut all ties with his sister and he and his stories are up for sale. SHE is a vindictive and manipulative little thing and he knows what SHE is capable of so am surprised by this.

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  77. stinky-inky said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    @Shocking Blue:
    Yeah, but it has to go pretty quickly from the cup to the freezer.

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  78. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    @lookyloo:
    we agree:

    maybe el indio = a native member of AJ’s tribe

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  79. SparklingTwinkle said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    El Indio ———— For a few dollars ….or family hunting for big bucks
    The Informer —————– from silent to talking ….or your mother has forgiven me
    James for sale ————– will blab for the right price …or is no longer on jolie payroll
    no strings attached ——————- sex without ties to the person? outdated, no longer the “in” thing

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  80. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    an opinion on the “transparency effect” ? anyone ?

    maybe it’s old stuff for you, here. for what regards me, I am just starting to get amazed.

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  81. liv4 said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    El Indio is a drug trafficker in Mexico.

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  82. sinker said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    there is hotel in mexicali called el indio. boxer carlos quintana nickname was el indio., a mine in chile, a graphic novel from Vibal foundation. but somehow this ties to JH. he is “el indio” in one of these contexts, imo.

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  83. inOttawa said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    El Indio is from that 1965 spaghetti wester movie – For a Few Dollars. El Indio is the criminal that is the subject of a bounty hunter job. So Clint Eastwood and his friend (bounty hunters) are looking for this guy, and if they find him they will be paid $$. Maybe there is a bounty on JH at the moment “no strings attached” and whoever gets him will be paid. That is another thought.

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  84. another lurker said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    there’s a band/singer…Pabla “el indio” Rosario. Maybe on of his songs?

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  85. inOttawa said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Sorry, the movie title is “A Few Dollars More”.

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  86. sinker said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    just found the father of mexican cinema was called el indio (emilio fernandez)

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  87. another lurker said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    There is also a comic series called El Indio by Francisco V. Coching…..trying to find good synopsis

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  88. stinky-inky said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    There’s a statue in Chihuahua called El Indio Victorio

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  89. sinker said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    @inOttawa:
    i like this one!!!! and maybe this is a reason BP would finally say he’s done — can’t see him condoning something that vicious.

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  90. liv4 said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    If you read about El Indio there is a famous actress in Mexico who states that the narcotic trafficker El Indio is not the father of her baby but rather a respectable business man is the father, with all things pointing to El Indio as the true father.

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  91. liv4 said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    I have that wrong, not an actress, former Miss Universe. She says the father of her child is not El Indio but reports suggest otherwise.

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  92. another lurker said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    synopsis of comic:

    “El Indio is a swashbuckling adventure set in the period of Spanish occupation in the Philippines.

    The story opens on a ship to Spain, where we are introduced to a young noblewoman, Blanquita Basco de Alava. It is soon revealed that Blanquita is pregnant, the child fathered by a rebel named Sabas (rough trans. = savage?).

    Blanquita gives birth to Fernando, who, by his color, is obviously a mulatto, leading people to taunt him as “el indio,” in Spanish Colonial times a derogatory term for malay Filipinos, mostly based on their tanned complexion (mestizos were called Filipinos).

    Even though he is of noble blood, Fernando grows up conscious of this discrimination because of his color and is thus compelled to show society just what the “el indio” can do — he becomes a great student, an excellent fencer, and a prizewinning matador.

    When he learns about his paternity, he decides to seek revenge on his father, whom he believes abandoned him and his mother. After he wins a ship in a gambling match, he sails to the Philippines to find the rebel Sabas.

    In Manila, Don Fernando becomes the toast of society, and he is enamored of the city’s belle of the ball, Victoria Rivera. He soon finds out that he has competition: the suave, older cavalry official Kapitan Martin Castillo.

    Meanwhile, new rebel forces are in action to overthrow the seat government and Don Fernando soon becomes sympathetic towards their cause. He undergoes a series of tests to join the group (headed by a mystery leader) and wins for himself the “salakot” (hat) and “tabak” (cutlass) belonging to the legendary outlaw known as Barbaro (barbarian?).

    Don Fernando slips into Barbaro’s role, taking on the new identity of “El Indio” and setting in motion a fiery series of events that causes mysteries to unravel.”

    hmm probably not it.

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  93. yamille said on February 25th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    There is an artist called El Indio that has a hit called SIN TI, without you. Basically the song is saying the man has noticed her coldness towards him, he’s been waiting and watching for her to come back to him but she has not responded so he concludes that the only solution is to say goodbye. Because she has someone else , watching them causes him pain and although he still loves her he has also such bitterness towards her now that he can’t be responsible for what he will do. Link is here if anyone else would like to translate fully. http://www.6lyrics.com/sin_ti_juan_d_rony_yeiko1-lyrics-el_indio.aspx

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  94. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    @SparklingTwinkle:
    “no strings attached” I interpret this as in pay him the money you can do what you want with the information. This is a great puzzle and I appreciate this thread, but does anyone else think it’s “strange” that this source was revealed in any way, even by a way that’s a bit obscure. People don’t reveal their sources. So, either Ian knows JH is selling out to everyone and it will become known or JH doesn’t care. And I’m not criticizing Ian.

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  95. sinker said on February 25th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    maybe the source just doesn’t care any more about being revealed?

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  96. yamille said on February 25th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    would Ian out one of his main insiders???? He maybe saying that JH is trying to sell the info he has told us so far and more. If Ian was approached by JH he may have wanted some snipet of what he knew. It will be big bucks JH will be asking for, so Ian may have made a deal already or trying to raise funds, or even helping him find a buyer?????

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  97. guest said on February 25th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    you all still talking about this shit. boring!

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  98. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    This may be stretching quite a bit…… El Indio – The Indian – I kept searching and there’s a paper titled El Indio titled “Proverbs and Prejudice” which is about proverbial sayings and how they play a role in public attitudes of groups of people. Such as “Indian giver.” It’s unacceptible in society to give something and then take it away. What could that be in this case: shelter, money, a child?. I don’t think this is the first time he’s “sold out” to the press, but why all of this and now? He must be pissed at something. Or if she’s had a “hold” on him, basically forever, he’s finally going to break free of this.

    Someone at FF says (taken with lots of salt) that AJ will have a tough road in the next few months due to a number of lawsuits. Just putting that gossip on this vine.

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  99. yamille said on February 25th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    No strings attached could mean that he will not hold anything back, everything will be revealed, from childhood onwards.

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  100. SparklingTwinkle said on February 25th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    @ rushie. Do you remember that james haven supposedly was the rumoured leak on the baby shower pics of shiloh pregnancy? Is this related? Is this why angie and brad don’t hang out with him now?

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  101. Shocking Blue said on February 25th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    @rushdog:Good point. It is unusual for sources to be revealed unless the source himself either doesn’t care or is planning to come out publicly with information (ie; book, interview, etc.)

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  102. stinky-inky said on February 25th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    The Informers, 2009
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0865554/
    Loosely connected stories capture a week in L.A. in 1983, featuring movie executives, rock stars, a vampire and other morally challenged characters in adventures laced with sex, drugs and violence.

    Stars Billy Bob Thornton
    MIckey Rourke
    Winona Ryder
    Kim Bassinger
    many others

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  103. stinky-inky said on February 25th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    @stinky-inky:
    Should be 2008, sorry typo

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  104. yamille said on February 25th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    @rushdog:
    Ha, great minds think alike ;-0

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  105. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    @SparklingTwinkle:
    Initially presented that the digital card was forgotten in the camera when brought in for repair and an employee sold the pics. Then somewhere (haven’t a clue where) there’s suggestion that JH sold the pics and BP was pissed and cut him out. JH seems to be in and out. He was at the Salt premier as was JV. So was she just using her family to sell that movie? She really does appear to have difficulty maintaining relationships with people or her family seems to have a lot of troubled relationships.

    I think in all these puzzles she comes off much worse than BP or anyone else which is interesting if JH is a main source.

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  106. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    @yamille:
    yes, he’ll reveal everything. Good point.

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  107. liv4 said on February 25th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    @Ian: So we’ve seen how everyone fits in but Jon Voight. Any clues for him?

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  108. dina said on February 25th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    I found this on el indio-via wikipedia-El indio centers on an hacienda somewhere in central-Mexico owned by an ambitious landowner who mistreats his indigenous peones. One of the peons, Felipe (Pedro Armendáriz), has separated himself from the hacienda and the tribe and relies on hunting to survive. He is in love with María (Consuelo Frank), a beautiful white Indian girl who is constantly beleaguered by the hacienda’s owner.

    Hmmm. Could this mean James got tired of the the crappy way AJ has treated him over the years. He now is hunting(selling her secrets). I dunno, just taking a shot in the dark….

    The informer….JH is a source

    James for sale….He is selling her out

    no strings attached….JH has cut the strings and she can no longer control him?

    Basically, I think AJ and JH had a huge blowout, she cut him off and now he’s getting back at her???

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  109. lookyloo said on February 25th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    @rushdog:

    Would JV really want all their secrets exposed? I mean, that’s one messed up family, lord only knows what skeletons are in their closets. I always wondered why JV tries so hard to have a relationship with AJ given his political involvement. I would think he’d want to distance himself from the drama of her life. If he has his own political aspirations….she’d be his demise!

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  110. whatever said on February 25th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    IMO, Ian is trying to tell us that TRUST this information as his source is PRIMO…like he stated in another thread.

    Primo Source: James Haven.

    Also, that James is willing to sell any and all information, possibly in a book form, for MONEY, and maybe revenge on a sister that has turned her back on him, for Brad Pitt. Never has a man come between him and his sister before!

    JH, has been “cut off”. Hence why there was a report that Brad has cut “staff” due to “financial problems”. JH is one of the people that have been cut off, financially. JH has a lifestyle to finance, and he is now w/o that money coming in…..

    Hence why he is now willing to share everything. Can you imagine just how much JH could receive in a book deal??? I would think even more than Christopher Ciccione made!

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  111. Tamara said on February 25th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    El Indio could be interpreted another way too. Although I think all your ideas are brilliant, its never really that cut and dried with Ian, and sometimes not as DEEP as we might think it is. For instance – The El Indio Gold Belt is a mineral rich region spanning the border between Chile and Argentina that contains large quantities of gold, silver and copper. The Gold Belt – could it be that Angie has been James pot of gold – or that Angie WILL be his pot of gold once he sells her story? Something along these lines? Or, is there a tie to Argentina/Chile that maybe we should explore? Also, who is Andy Kusnetzoff?

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  112. liv4 said on February 25th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    I know SHE has been evil to many people but I still can’t get that saying that blood is thicker than water out of my mind, especially while SHE is so obviously down and out.

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  113. bobbi said on February 25th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    @liv4:
    ok, I really didn’t want to out JV because I worship him as an actor. But I will – next week!

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  114. Up the Coast said on February 25th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    Ange should have known that she was only as strong as her weakest link, and James has always been her weakest link. She let him get too far away and her brainwashing wore off. Good for him :)

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  115. Tamara said on February 25th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    @Tamara:
    How about this:
    Madonna as Eve Peron Argentina = Christopher Ciccone = James Haven exposing his sister in a book??? Too simplistic??

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  116. Justa Visitor said on February 25th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    I wonder if JH has had contact with JA in any way? Perhaps to try to make a wrong right and to detach himself from what AJ did?

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  117. Kate said on February 25th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    In the film “A Few Dollars More” the woman that El Indio rapes, is his sister. The two bounty hunters both want to take him down, and find out about each other from sources so they team up to go after him. This is after one of them had joined the gang to get to trap him. There is a lot of betrayal in this film, but overall it is about El Indio being the one stealing from banks, he raped his sister. The two bounty hunters : one is Manco that is played by Clint Eastwood and the other is Mortimer, who had pocket watch similar to that of El Indio with a similar photo of the girl raped and remarks at the end to Manco when notices they look a like, “naturally between brother and sister”. His revenge has been completed now that El Indio is dead.

    Just a thought anyway.
    Not sure if these two bounty hunters are Brad and BBT , but sort of sounds that way. Has to be someone that would want to take revenge on JH for selling out their secrets.

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  118. liv4 said on February 25th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    @bobbi:
    Sounds interesting.

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  119. Kate said on February 25th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    The title of the album was a reference to the band’s newfound freedom from Lou Pearlman and their former management team.

    They split with that management team before it was released and that caused it to be delayed. As Liv mentioned it shows them all as puppets on a string on the cover. Also the song, Bye Bye Bye was released as a single 2 months before the album and was a hit.

    I don’t think Ian would ever out his own source. Wondering if James has not been selling stories for awhile and shopping this story and he has gotten caught. If he outed him as his source they would just shut him down like they did Mickey Brett. Spread bad rumors about him, etc.

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  120. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    I was trying to come up with another idea so thought is El Indio attached to something else like el nino. Far-fetched I know, but I thought I’d put this in the hopper. Five day forcast for El Indio, TX sunny and warm until Sunday afternnon then:

    FIRE WEATHER WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM SUNDAY AFTERNOON
    THROUGH SUNDAY EVENING………A FIRE WEATHER WATCH MEANS WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO
    PROMOTE FIRES THAT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO CONTROL ACROSS THE WATCH
    AREA.

    The copy was capitalized I’m not emphasizing it. Just another idea….hard to know where Ian goes with these things.

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  121. Guest2 said on February 25th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    These are interesting theories about JH selling out AJ and BP maybe bounty hunting. If it were true that BP wants to maintain the secrets and get revenge on JH then he is still involved with AJ in this. We’re now getting some idea of where JH fits in but where does Jen fit in? Ian said yesterday that she is still involved in a major way. We need more clues on her too.

    As for the twins, I think InOttawa has it right that they are AJ/BP’s with Holly as the surrogate. It’s the only thing that really makes sense considering the children all look alike and they look like AJ/BP. I’m not sure why BP may have gone along with this; either, he’s also AJ’s puppet or he felt sorry for her because she was still mourning her mother’s death.

    Has anyone read anything more about his being in France other than that link to the French mag?

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  122. Guest2 said on February 25th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    You guys are awesome with researching these clues. I’m impressed. Have to get back to work now.

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  123. Patty Anne said on February 25th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Brad and Angie are finished.

    Angie has suffered some sort of irrepairable mental breakdown

    The kids need help; help is on the way (Jennifer?)

    Nothing is forever.

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  124. Up the Coast said on February 25th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    @whatever:
    Bingo!

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  125. whatever said on February 25th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Brad dumps Angelina. James Haven selling her out. Her movie flops, with horrible reviews, she became the butt of jokes at the GG, peers snickering, laughing at her, no one wants to hire her for any movies, she sees her career spiraling downwards..the anniversary of the death of her mother, Marceline, coming up….she has no one. Not one person in the world she can lean on as she has no real close friends or other family., they all leave her or left her, she feels so alone……..so she has a complete mental breakdown……or tries to O/D.
    Sad really, because she relied on those kids to fill an empty void that she has within herself. What kind of pressure to put on innocent children…and when they grow up and leave home, she will see it not through the eyes of a mother releasing their child to make their own way in the world, but just another betrayal. That is why these kids do not have any friends, because Angelina needs to keep them for herself……she is one sick fucked up woman. Those kids are going to be the same fucked up adults as she is.

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  126. Up the Coast said on February 25th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    @whatever:
    Bango :(

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  127. SparklingTwinkle said on February 25th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    @Patty Anne: that sounds about right to me babe

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  128. FlowerZombie said on February 25th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    I don’t see JA running back to BP – he isn’t worth the lifelong misery of dealing with the evil ex AJ and six, SIX pain in the butt kids – not JA’s style, can’t see her doing it. BUT – what is up with JA buying in NYC & the story that BP is too? Team Anj trying to deflect?

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  129. Up the Coast said on February 25th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Where or how does Mindy Cohen fit into all of this? Or does she?

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  130. sinker said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    @Up the Coast:
    From what i can deduct, no connection and a bit of a red herring. possibly she is still a friend of JH; possibly godmother of the twins. but that doesn’t mean they even still talk.

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  131. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    haven behind it all/puppet cutting the strings
    is he behind the problems in her life or behind the leaks to the press or a primo source

    El Indio = relationship w/sister a mess/twisted (in “A Few Dollars More” El Indio rapes his sister)
    The Informer = leaks/sells the information (1935 movie/conscience-stricken emotional disintegration that eventually leads him to give himself away)
    James for sale = self-explanitory
    no strings attached = he’s no longer attached/no longer controlled by someone else/will tell the entired story for money

    This might be repetitive, just thinking through my fingers and trying not to lose my thoughts.

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  132. Up the Coast said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    @sinker:
    ok. What a weird, random family.

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  133. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    @whatever:
    Agree, I think that may be the entire puzzle in a nutshell.

    Whatever El Indio means (which is the clue Ian said we don’t have) I think this post clearly indicates JH is a source for someone for info on his sister. The big question is why? If your conscience is bothering you, why sell the info….unless you need the money or you’re really angry.

    I’m just really happy with my own life right now!!

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  134. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    But if there’s really something coming up from JH, and AJ team’s reading this blog announcing it, don’t you think they might find a way to talk him out of that and so that no revelation at all come out in the end ?

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  135. Up the Coast said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    @rushdog:
    That’s what JA said! :)

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  136. DBT#BC said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Mindy Cohen is the kids’ godmother:

    http://www.celebitchy.com/118406/angelina_jolie_brad_pitt_recruited_someone_strange_to_be_the_twins_godmother/

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  137. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    @Passingby:
    One would think that. Bu if he’s completely cut the “strings” or she/they cut the strings (may be mutual) all the team can do is try to stop him, discredit him in some way. The situation may be too far gone. I guess we have to wait and watch.

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  138. Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    This is kind of apropos of nothing but I just thought the reason the Mayor of Nice and the doc held up duplicates of Knox’s birth certificate and not one of Viv and Knox’s is because Viv most probably wasn’t born at that point. I suppose it is one thing to put a fake date and time of birth on someone’s birth certificate, another to create a certificate when there is no baby. So Brad and Ange flew in an obstetrician from LA to perform the op, who I assume would have needed to forge medical records to pass on to the authorities in Nice, unless the forgery occurred at the level of local government, rather than the doc? Nice is an extremely wealthy and probably corrupt area where organised crime is not unlikely and things can be bought, but would the Mayor of Nice be so stupid as to perform that forgery on behalf of a pair of celebs and potentially destroy his career? Stranger things have happened I guess, but I suspect the doc more than the Mayor, as I think, as we have all seen from the MJ case, HW dpcs can do some pretty extreme things when a lot of money is changing hands? So what else did they have to do to cover this up, stop the secret from getting out? Well I would imagine they would have had to bring in a full team of nurses, midwives etc from the US as well otherwise there would have been a few potential leaks there as well wouldn’t there? But why did they choose France? Has to be because one of the mothers/surrogates/whatevers lived there didn’t it… and then the other one went along with it because she was totally on board with it all (i.e. Holly). I’m just trying to figure out how they pulled all this off. There are birth certificates for both Viv and Knox because I’ve seen them. They are totally different to the certificates we have in the UK though because all they have on them is the name, date and time of birth. No parents names. The version of the certificates where you would be able to see the parents name as well can only be accessed by the person the certificate belongs to (I think but need to double check this), which is convenient when you are trying to pull off a fraud like this…. So what I am trying to understand is how they pulled this off, who committed the fraud? Did the doctor fake the medical notes on which the birth certificates were based, or did the Mayor’s office do the forgery? Is Brad’s name really on the birth certificate for Viv, or Angelina’s even? Did they have the twins in France because they knew the full details of their birth would not be a matter of public record as it would be in the UK for example? I think if we can figure out how they pulled off this fraud, the key to uncovering it might be found….

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  139. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    @Up the Coast:
    lol. Well then she must know all of this too! (and probably does)

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  140. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    @Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme:
    I think it would be safe to conclude money was involved, always is. Payoff? Donation? to the hospital would be very likely. What’s the chance it’s the usual practice to print/sign more than one copy of that birth statement that he held up. Two sheets of paper, looks like two but there were never two to begin with, at least in that hospital with that mother? Let the conspiracies abound!!

    When I had my children (US) I filled out a form to receive copies of the birth certificates from the state after registration occured. Takes about 4-6 weeks to receive the actual state produced certified birth certificates. The hospital mailed the form and the birth certificate information, I don’t remember if I filled in that info or if they did. Long story short, I requested three copies.

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  141. Guest 11 said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Is this Pinocchio? “Carved by a woodcarver named Geppetto in a small Italian village, he was created as a wooden puppet, but dreamt of becoming a real boy. Pinocchio is often a term used to describe an individual who is prone to telling lies, fabricating stories and exaggerating or creating tall tales for various reasons.”

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  142. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    @rushdog:
    Yes, wait and see..

    If AJ and BP are really to break up, so that BP could be with JA, I guess it should not take a long time.. JA’s already 42 and deserves to get preggo.

    btw, I asked earlier but got no answer: what do you think of this pics of AJ’s belly ?
    http://jolie-pitt-fans.popsugar.com/Angelina-Jolie-Barnes-Noble-Bookstore-Austin-Texas-1107123

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  143. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    @Guest 11:
    Taking that into consideration and Pinocchio is cutting the strings, does that mean he’s talking because he’s not going to lie for her anymore?

    Or he’s talking but he’s not a reliable source because he lies.

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  144. Meg said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    @whatever:
    I couldn’t say it better

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  145. Dream said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    @Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme:
    the only easy way around this i can see is if there’s a dead twin.
    a dead child would still have a birth certificate. maybe viv is using someone else birth certificate.

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  146. Guest 11 said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    El Indio is an adventure komiks novel written and illustrated by Francisco V. Coching and published in the pages of Pilipino Komiks from 1952 – 1953.

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  147. Meg said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    @Passingby:
    Her belly looks preggo, her face, hands don’t. There is no puffines, she walks like carrying an empty backpack in the front. Normally every woman pulls back a bit and arches her back to balance of the weight on the front.

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  148. Guest 11 said on February 25th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Pinocchio is known for having a long nose that becomes longer when he is under stress (chapter 3), especially while telling a lie.

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  149. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    @Meg:
    No, I mean do you see a transparency effect with like a false belly beneath (pic 2 and 5 especially) ? And is this true or photoshop to you ? This is what’s been said here:

    http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/board/fake-twin-pregnancy-what-is-wrong-with-this-picture-t226229-75.html

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  150. SparklingTwinkle said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Any news on where brad is ?

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  151. kalle said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    I’ve been quietly following this for the last week and I have a few things to add…
    First, James Haven has always creeped me out. If they’re aren’t any flowers in the attack, he certainly wants some there. The El Indio/raping sister reference… perhaps AJ was effed up on whatever pharmaceuticals are her drug of choice and JH took advantage. Just saying…
    Second, Brad was smoking in public a few times after they supposedly broke up. Not a smoking gun, but suspicious. AJ hates smoking. She made BBT quit before they adopted. I heard she made Brad quit as well and the fact that he is smoking within camera shot is… defiant.
    Third, although I’ve never thought Brad was the brightest star on the boulevard and I don’t think AJ was his first indiscretion… I’m sure he told her exactly what she wanted to hear when they first got together. I hate that Angie is the perpetual home wrecker (even if it is true) and Jen the perpetual victim. Brad gets off every time (pun intended). He is just… flat. He takes on the personality of who he’s with at the time. With Jen he was a golden boy. Then came Angie. He started riding motorcycles, flying planes, getting tattoos, adopting children, having children, traveling internationally (not for a film), doing charity work, etc. None of those “personality traits” existed before AJ. I find it telling that he loves architecture so much. He likes vacant structures because he is one. He doesn’t know who he is. Just like a building. A facade with nothing inside. When he left Jen he said something to the effect of… he woke up one morning and realized his life wasn’t everything he needed it to be… which I thought was extremely narcissistic. I’ve been waiting for a long time for his mid-life crisis to end, for him to wake up to the life entirely of Angie’s construction and realize that this isn’t everything he needs his life to be…

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  152. WCKitty said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    @Passingby:
    You can see the outline of the false belly in picture number 2. This is the picture that led me to believe that she didn’t carry the twins. Thank you for posting it! :)

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  153. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    @WCKitty:
    This is what I think too.. just wondering if those pics were not modified..

    Thks for giving ur opinion.

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  154. Up the Coast said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    @SparklingTwinkle:
    Hi gf

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  155. SparklingTwinkle said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    @Up the Coast:
    Hi my lovely *cuddles*

    missed ya x x x x

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  156. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    @WCKitty:
    Haven’t looked at those pics in a while but yes that pic in the black long dress where she’s lifting the skirt, you can clearly see through the dress. It reminds me of seeing through someone’s dress when they’re on the rc and haven’t worn enough of a liner or slip. The camera with the available lighting will pick up those things.

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  157. Up the Coast said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    @rushdog:
    I don’t know how it’s done in France, but you are right about how it’s done in the US, and it takes 2-4 wks to receive the BC. The hospital might give you a decorative BC as a momento, but it’s in no way legal.

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  158. Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    @rushdog:

    You can have as many copies of a birth certificate as you want, you can have millions of them in fact. Money would have to be involved of course – but who got paid is the question I want to know: the mayor, the doctor, the hospital or all of the above? I’m just trying to figure out what would have needed to have happened to have faked this and who would have had to have been involved. If we can figure that out then we might be able to think of a way of exposing it. The HW doc I can see taking a pay-off, no question. From what I know of the French political scene, Nice and Christian Estrosi in general, more than likely. But the hospital? A reputable hospital in france is going to fake the birth of baby, or fake the details of their birth i.e. commit fraud for a donation? Well, the hospital would have to be run by someone pretty dodgy to have achieved that. A French friend of mine told me – without knowing anything about this story or why I was asking – that NIce operates almost like it’s own state and he wouldn’t be surprised if there was a connection to the mafia…. So who runs this french hospital hey – who would have inked that deal? Because there is no way, surely, that this could have been pulled off without the co-operation of the hospital? And without any of the staff witnessing anything suspect….. I just don’t think it possible.

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  159. Patty Anne said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Cafe’ El Indio? Honduras, Central America grown? Special blend?

    Mexican Restaurant in San Diego favored for it’s foods prepared by father /daughter team?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqm8ur9T6o0 Presenta PGR y SEDENA a “El Indio”
    11 min – Apr 22, 2010
    Uploaded by gobiernofederal
    youtube.com

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  160. French chick @home said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    BTW, El Indio is absolutly not french AT ALL. Stop looking in that direction. It’d rather be spanish to my poor french ears :)

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  161. SparklingTwinkle said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Taken from James haven interview
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-444390/Angelinas-secret-sadness–brother.html
    “”The significant years of dating and getting to know yourself, I didn’t experience any of that. I didn’t experience what I think is one of the most important times in a person’s life, and neither did Angelina. It affected both of us.”

    Didnt Angelina have a live in lover at 14??

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  162. sinker said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    @SparklingTwinkle:
    i think they were in cahoots on that one and he took the blame. but i think she was fine w/ those pics getting out.

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  163. SparklingTwinkle said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    @Patty Anne:
    Jon and Angie hint ?

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  164. French chick @home said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    @Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme:
    Surrogates are illegal in France. And Nice’s mayor may be the biggest crooked politician in France, he is no mafia. He wouldn’t produce false birth certificate, even with million bucks presented to him. That’s basically something he can’t do.

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  165. SparklingTwinkle said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    @sinker:

    Was sure that I read somewhere that they even got the CIA involved lol

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  166. French chick @home said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    @Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme:
    Talk about the US. It’s not working like that in France sorry.
    First, the mother has to file for the birth, and the father has to sign them too. Then, an officer (a civil one) will verify the information with the clinic or hospital and the doctor or sage femme who delivered the baby since they do have to sign those papers too.
    Then you’ll get one birth certificate.
    IF you need a second one, like to file for passport or ID card or anything else, it takes up to a month and you have to prove who you are before you can request that. A bit complicated, maddening too since you can only get it from the “Mairie” of your birthplace. And it’s a lot better if you can go there yourself since not a lot of cities do them via internet.

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  167. sinker said on February 25th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    @SparklingTwinkle:
    yeah, that is weird. he als said “”Maybe I haven’t found the right woman because my sister is too picky for me. Any woman has to go through two filters, me and then my sister.

    “I’m a perfectionist by nature. Then, because I’m so close to Angie it’s like I’ve already got the perfect woman in my life and it’s hard for anyone else to live up to that. “I go to Angie for advice and won’t do anything without her because we were so close as children.”

    wow.

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  168. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    @SparklingTwinkle:
    Hard to imagine the man in this interview betraying AJ..

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  169. sinker said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    @Passingby:
    hell hath no fury like a brother/lover scorned!

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  170. SparklingTwinkle said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    @sinker:
    *coughs and says inappropriate kiss*lol

    “im so in love with my brother right now”

    SAY WHAT?? how odd

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  171. SparklingTwinkle said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    I CAN see James doing a tell all on brad – but never on angie, not after I read how he feels towards her.
    especially as his mum struggled as a single parent, they both seem to hate daddy figures, so my guess is that james may tell all on brad

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  172. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    @sinker:
    if you don’t get revenge right during your fury, you get second thoughts for sure..

    ;)

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  173. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    @SparklingTwinkle:
    possible

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  174. Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    @French chick @home:

    I have a copy of both Viv and Knox’s birth certificate, they took about a week to come through and I ordered them on the internet, anyone can do it. But this type of birth certificate is different to the one you would get in the UK, it does not have details of the parents etc on it, it’s very brief in fact. My french friend told me the full certificate can only be obtained by the person who it belongs to, but I’m thinking it must be the parents too right? If it takes a month to get a duplicate copy of a birth certificate then we would have to assume that the baby was born at least a month earlier than that day then. So do we think Knox had already been born and it was in fact Viv who was being delivered at that point – but that the names on Viv’s certificate did not match with the ones on Knox’s (perhaps because one of the parents had changed their mind?). I’m not saying Estrosi has mafia connections but you don’t think he is capable of being bought, at all? He must have known what was going on….

    Ok, how would this work: they told the hospital she was pregnant with twins when in fact she was only pregnant with one. She went in with her own doctors and nurses and had that child delivered by cesarean section and that child was Knox. They got a birth certificate for Knox and that’s all. Somehow since then they have paid someone within the local authority to fake a birth certificate for Viv. Hmmmmm…. any thoughts?

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  175. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    @SparklingTwinkle:
    especially if there’s a breakup

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  176. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    @Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme:
    have you checked the see through pics i posted of her upper her ? if they’re genuine i doubt the pregnancy in your scenario..

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  177. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    upper HERE

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  178. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    typo

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  179. SparklingTwinkle said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    @Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme:
    I’m enjoying the theory you are hinting towards.

    but on another thought…could the “alleged” birth mum of viv be there at the same time, at the same hospital also giving birth? could it be that is why they had to be in france? cause the surrogate was possibly french, less chance of being caught

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  180. Up the Coast said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Didn’t someone say that they brought her doctor in from the states? Maybe they just borrowed the delivery room then, and her (paid for) doctor just said he delivered both babies to her.

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  181. Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    @Passingby:

    Sorry not sure what you’re pointing out in particular there – I think her belly looks fake but it is possible she was just not as pregnant as she wanted to look so she added a bit extra (like Katie Holmes did to disguise the true birth date of Suri). I personally ascribe to the theory that she didn’t have either of them but I am trying to figure out how they faked the certificates. You can find corrupt officials anywhere – but a corrupt hospital and other medical staff too? And in a country where surrogacy is not even legal? How did they do it?

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  182. Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    @SparklingTwinkle:

    That’s what I always thought, but how was that faked in terms of the birth papers?

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  183. French chick @home said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    @Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme:
    It’s because it’s NOT a birth certificate LOL. It’s what we call “un extrait d’acte de naissance”. It has no valor but to help you get an ID card.
    For a real one, you have to go to the town you were born, at the Mairie, and request one while proving who you are. IT’s better if you can have a copy of your parents “Livret de famille” and if you don’t, it takes months to get it. It took me 3 full months to get mine, and I had all the papers !

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  184. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    @Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme:

    for that to work it would take the surrogate to give birth under the name of AJ, which would require a big bunch of tricks and sounds like a bad movie.. unlikely..

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  185. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    I went searching for mag covers on the twins (prior to birth) and it’s amazing to look at all this stuff in hindsight. Lots of reports of them having twins as early as Jan 2008 a couple of weeks before the Feb. Spirit awards reveal. In Touch reports in March ‘08 it will be a boy and a girl. Star mag reports in May it’s going to be 2 girls instead. I wonder where they were getting all that information.

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  186. BECCA said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    L’Indochine française (Đông Dương thuộc Pháp en vietnamien) est une ancienne colonie française, création de l’administration coloniale, regroupant :

    le Tonkin, l’Annam et la Cochinchine, regroupés à partir de 1949 au sein de l’État du Viêt Nam (territoire identique a celui de l’actuelle République socialiste du Viêt Nam)
    le Protectorat du Laos ;
    et le Protectorat du Cambodge.
    Souvent, on l’appelle simplement « Indochine », ce qui crée une confusion avec la notion géographique d’Indochine – ou péninsule indochinoise – qui désigne les pays situés entre l’Inde et la Chine, soit les pays sus-cités ainsi que la Birmanie, la Thaïlande et une partie de la Malaisie.

    Le Siam, devenu Thaïlande en 1939 affichant ainsi ses revendications sur le peuplement thaï du Protectorat français du Laos (« le pays thaï ») et du nord-ouest du Cambodge, était un État tampon entre l’Indochine française, qui allait du Siam à la mer de Chine méridionale, et l’Indochine britannique, c’est-à-dire la Birmanie.

    En 1939, la Thaïlande était l’allié de l’Empire du Japon dont le chemin de fer de Birmanie (du Siam aux Indes britanniques) était prévu pour la logistique des troupes japonaises dans leur marche vers l’Inde pendant la Seconde Guerre mondiale. « Le pont de la rivière Kwaï » se trouve toujours en Thaïlande.

    Perhaps it’s slang or a play on words “Indochine”
    BTW: French Chick, that was such a typical response

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  187. SparklingTwinkle said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Has anyone seen this ?? just picked it up in ref to the pic above.

    Thanks to the billion dollar success of Alice in Wonderland giving old classics an update seems to be the next Hollywood ‘thing’. Warner Bros. recently wrapped a Red Riding Hood movie with Amanda Seyfried, Tim Burton may direct Angelina Jolie as Maleficent, the wicked fairy godmother who cast the original spell on Sleeping Beauty, and now Pinocchio is getting live-action movie.
    http://filmonic.com/live-action-pinocchio-movie

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  188. Patty Anne said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    At this point I’m rather confused on the El Indio and how Ian used it, so I’m posting anything different I find on it hoping something will ring a bell with someone. El Indio is translated from Spanish to English to mean The Indian. That’s all that I know of as a fact, the rest? just confusion. How I wish Ian would give us a little nudge in the right direction for this one. @SparklingTwinkle:

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  189. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    @Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme:
    effectively she could have had just an extra bump.

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  190. Patty Anne said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Or….perhaps only one child was born at the hospital, therefore one birthcertificate held up? The mayor would only know what he was told and that could be that there were problems with Viv’s birth certificate but it was being taken care of, he’d not know it was a single birth. There were no photos of twins and Angie leaving the hospital, so it could all be explained later as someone spilled coffee on Viv’s so we had to have it reissued later.@Passingby:

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  191. French chick @home said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    You have absolutly no idea of how french administration work. It’s all in your mind really.
    First, it’s impossible to bring in YOUR doctors and nurses at a public hospitals. It may be possible in certain clinics but there would be at least 2 people to witness and record everything, one of them being from the city Town Office. These kinds are assermented, and if any suspicion arise they can lose their pension and everything else. There has been way too much scandal in the 80s. They are watched constantly, and someone with a swiss account or anything else would be discovered.

    Estrosi is one of the oldest mayor in France. He has bad connections but he rules his city without any suspicions from the authorities. And they have tried very hard over the years to bring him down and found nothing at all ! And he wasn’t the one witnessing, he’s way too old for that. So that would mean bying at least 10 people, and that would take notice. Estrosi is no fool. He can”t afford that.

    On the other hand, parents have 48h to declare the birth of a child. It gives you room to have a second baby !

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  192. rushdog said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    @Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme:
    Did she bring her own doctors/medical team for delivery? Then all it would take would be for one administrator to agree to handle the paperwork based on what the delivering doctor told them. I would expect access to her was limited to maintain privacy. She aparently departed abruptly in the night with her security to return to the Chauteau. I’m not sure how you could figure this out.

    My comment about multiple copies was meant to be about the birth statement that BP held up. I read that both copies had Knox’ name on them but was clearly written differently on each paper. Maybe you can get multiple copies of the what — statement of birth? So it looks like there were two births when in actuality there was only one (at that time anyway).

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  193. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    @Patty Anne:
    Or perhaps twins were born from the surrogate (with a procedure where the medical team would not see her face (hmmm i know, unlikely..), then desagreement on how many babies to put under AJ’s name, then she gets the 2..

    ah ah ah we do not have a life to discuss this !! but it’s fun ;)

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  194. BECCA said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    @SparklingTwinkle:
    The funny because
    Madame Tussauds Christmas display was of Jolie as the wicked stepmother, I would’t cross Helena Bonahm Carter Though, she’d better focus on work and drop the old antics
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4530000/newsid_4532900/4532942.stm

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  195. lookyloo said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    @Patty Anne:
    El Indio = The Indian = Marcheline Bertrand. She was said to be part Iroquois, right?

    Maybe she was the one pulling the strings up until her death and since she’s gone things have been slowly falling apart. I never really followed any of this until a week or so ago, so I have no idea what kind of relationship she had with AJ and JH. Was she still her manager?

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  196. Passingby said on February 25th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    @lookyloo:
    nice catch for AJ’s mother !

    though i don’t think she’s the puppetist in this riddle

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  197. BECCA said on February 25th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    @lookyloo:
    No they found out that she made that up to make Jolie sould more interesting

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  198. lookyloo said on February 25th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    @French chick @home:
    I’m not sure if I’m following this correctly but if you have 48 hours to declare a birth, could she have arrived at the hospital with her doctor and the twins and said she had them at the chateau? Are there photo’s of her walking into the hospital still pregnant? Perhaps they would have been able to keep that detail private.

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  199. lookyloo said on February 25th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    @BECCA:
    Gawd…..is there anything at all real about these people or is it all just smoke and mirrors? ;(

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  200. Dream said on February 25th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    this will in no way help i am sure. but… columbus called the native people in america something indios meaning people of god. i can’t remember the exact phrase but i always liked that indain means people of god.

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  201. Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme said on February 25th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    @French chick @home:

    AJ did bring in her own doctor though didn’t she – the Dr Michael Sussman in those pics? Or are you saying that was misdirection too and in fact he could not have been the one to deliver her child(ren)? Is the hospital they were supposed to deliver the twins in a public one? I assumed it would either be private or have a private wing….

    And the birth certificate thing – I wonder whether this is why they chose France then. In the UK anyone can access a copy of anyone else’s birth certificate at any time (for a small fee).

    And how would you say they pulled this off then? Do you think she must have delivered both of the twins herself after all? Can you explain what you think went on….?

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  202. Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme said on February 25th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    @rushdog:

    But where did the babies come from – were there literally none present? I.e. was it all faked by the doctor and the medical team from the US?

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  203. French chick @home said on February 25th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    @lookyloo:
    It’s a possibility exactly. You just have to check in a hospital if you think you’re having problems. And produce DNA samples to establish the fact you are the parents.

    Keane : in a public hospital : NOT POSSIBLE. Period. Even money can’t buy this. Even in crooked Nice ! The only possibility is to go to a private clinic. Where did she go ?
    With the restrictions I gave you. Or set up something at home, where all you have to do is check in with the Town City afterwards. The charade of going to the hostpital would mean they did test on the mother / baby to establish the paternity / maternity.
    One friend had her baby home, all she had to do was to produce DNA samples after the birth.
    Or you can cover up a “private adoption”. Although it’s very difficult to pull that off in France, where laws about adoption are moronic.

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  204. SparklingTwinkle said on February 25th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    @Patty Anne:
    Marchie is featured in the new clue could this be the indian tie up to this clue?

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  205. Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme said on February 25th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    @French chick @home:

    The Fondation Lenval hospital – I assumed it would be private?

    So are you saying she can’t have had them in the hospital that they would have done a DNA test to establish maternity and paternity – that she would have had to have had them at home and given them some fake DNA – whose, Shiloh’s?

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  206. French chick @home said on February 25th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    It’s a private clinic.
    I am saying that if she delivered home, she had to prove the filiation.
    And in a private clinic, any birth with outside medical staff had to be witnessed. And to make false birth certificates in that case would have required paying people who are already under surveillance 24h24 7/7.

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  207. Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme said on February 25th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    @French chick @home:

    So what are you saying – that you think the twins are hers?

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  208. lookyloo said on February 25th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    @Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme:
    Not to but into your conversation but with her doctor there, maybe they were able to give them a DNA sample from the surrogate. What kind of sample are we talking about, a vile of blood??

    I’ve seen the photo’s of skeletor…..no way she was pregnant with twins.

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  209. Sacagawea said on February 25th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    Maybe?

    http://espectaculos.13.cl/noticias/miscelaneo/4707.htm

    Tonto, the Indian role Depp may play in The Lone Ranger.

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  210. Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme said on February 25th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    @French chick @home:

    So are we saying the only way she could have faked it is if she had them in a private hospital with her own medical team who gave false info to the local authority and then left before anyone else saw them? I guess they had security posted on the door etc to keep staff/press away…. Is this what you think the only scenario could be?

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  211. SammySushi said on February 25th, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    @kalle:
    Totally agree! Awesome comments.

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  212. French chick @home said on February 26th, 2011 at 3:09 am

    @Keane Dangerous Cyber Queen Supreme:
    I am saying that to pull this out in France, even in a private clinic, would require to pay key peoples that are under scrutinity by the authorities. It would be just crazy.
    Or to set up a well rehearsed play. With the surrogate in.

    As for the sample you have to provide, I had my answer yesterday : all you need is give blood and they compare bloods. That’s about it. My friend is a midwife, she knows :) And she is saying that it’s more likable she delivered home, came to the clinic because of complications with the children. That would be a lot easier if there is something going on here.
    I mean if they used a surrogate, all they needed was to give blood. After all, the twins are supposed to be theirs …

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  213. SparklingTwinkle said on February 26th, 2011 at 4:21 am

    lets not forget it was supposed C Section, must be in hosp- too much chance of infection and complications to be done anywhere else

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  214. Pish said on February 26th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    @French chick @home:

    She had c-sections because of herpes.

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  215. SparklingTwinkle said on February 27th, 2011 at 5:36 am

    @Pish:
    Lol pish – too funny

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