IUC World Exclusive: Do Tom and Katie Have Open Marriage?

Posted on June 15th, 2010 by HisHighness in IUC:Entertainment, IUC:Exclusive

tom-cruise-katie-holmes-A close friend of the couple told me the couple rarely spend time together. “It’s somewhat of an open marriage,” the source told IUC. “Like Tom’s ex Nicole Kidman I think Katie has grown tired of Tom’s obsession with Scientology.” Developing…

  1. Emerson said on June 15th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Well, that certainly explains katie’s open stares, her unhappiness and overall demeanor, which is Stepfort Wife crazy….mix this with Tom, who seems to be never home and when he is, it’s for some type of bizarro dance routine that just gives me the willies!! Why doesn’t anyone write a real book on Tommy boy? Too much sciencetology force behind it? That entire “religion” just makes me run and hide!! Katie, run while you get the chance! You look miserable enough! Don’t end up like Brangelina!!

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  2. I'm on the bidet said on June 15th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Isn’t there some controversy about the legality of their marriage, i.e., no one can find an actual marriage certificate or the like . .

    Suri sure is a cutie. How come you never see Cruise with the two kids he and Kidman adopted when they were together? Actually you never see Kidman with them either. Did they return them?

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  3. Emerson said on June 15th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    LOL they live with Tom or whoever runs his homes in LA and at least Conner is always photographed with him…Isabella, not so much. It’s all quite strange, and I use strange lightly, I’ve heard when Nicole is with them, it is way out of the spotlight, but anytime Cruise can use good pr, he parades them everywhere…I’m thinking baby Suri is not Cruise’s biological child either…when are they all ever together? That whole scen is beyond f***ked up, Cruise is just way too weird, even with his mea culpa’s etc…..yuck!

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  4. Tamara said on June 15th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    IDK about the open marriage thing – I was under the impression that she signed another 5 year contract with the caveat that she produce another child. And I think as long as she signed the contract she is under his and his church’s thumb!!!

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  5. Patty anne said on June 15th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    I find it hard to believe they have an open marriage arrangement like Brangelina mostly because Katie was, and may still be, a devout Catholic. I remember when they were planning the wedding, there was news ev erywhere about her parents concerns about her marrying a Scientologist and remaining faithful to Catholicism. I had read at that time she was intending to remain non-Scientologist, but with all the reports of her being brain-washed (they call it clensed), being true, I’d guess anything is possible at this point. Hard to imagine what this will do to Suri as she grows to adulthood. Spaceship? God? Alien?

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  6. Gitano said on June 15th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    KH looks like she has jaundice. Compare her skin color to Suri’s and Tom’s.

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  7. alif said on June 15th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Little Tommy once was in Catholic seminary, according to the press. When he decided to leave, his Superior tried to warn him about himself vs the Catholic Church.
    It’s frequently said that all of Hwd knows that Tommy is gay. Reports had him being a gay hustler at the beginning of his career. Also, gay rags had interviews and pics of him appearing rather femme. There were many rivals back then. He had to compromise his then, Catholic beliefs for the sake of his career.
    Then came the cult. All those gay mags with him in it, disappeared! (There are still pics of him, including one of him apparently pleasuring himself while under a blanket, floating around and are probably in private collections.)
    Shortly thereafter, he started making fun of gay people. It was done to make him appear heterosexual.
    And with the help of the cult, the build-up continued. The first wife, Mimi Rogers (?) apparently intro’d him to the cult. Later, she allegedly claimed that they didn’t have sex. When they separated, his advisors apparently targeted Nicole Kidman. The two seemed oddly enough to lack any passion for each other. They even had to be coached re: their passionate scenes in “Far and Away”.
    Tommy, with the help of his cult, gained power in hwd. He was even heard to brag that he was the most powerful actor in hollywood. Indeed, a glossy mag claimed he was.
    As his wedding anniversary approached, it was nearly time for Nicole to be eligible for more of Tommy’s fortune. Tommy dumped her. It was devastating to Nicole. He blamed Nicole for the bust-up.
    There were hustlers who wanted to sell their stories about Tom’s sex activity with them. They got nowhere!
    Tommy would sue (and there were a few who claimed he is gay) anyone who would dare question his sexuality. He usually won, until he sued the wife of a gay hustler who claimed that he had sex with Tommy, and who he had sued, until the man who is poor, recanted his story with the benefit, for Tommy, of much press coverage.
    There was a site, called DEFAMER.com. They had followed the Katie pregnancy, and concluded that Tommy couldn’t have fathered Suri. Reason: Tommy is sterile, due to his std’s from his days as a gay hustler.
    An actor with a familiar name had sneaked into the lab and read the reports stating that Tommy is sterile.
    Then there was the mysterious “birth” of Suri. Many posited that Suri was actually born before her official birthdate. They published the confusing data about her certificate. And actress, Brook Shields, was in the hospital at the same time as all this. She probably knows much about this.
    Defamer.com showed readers pics of Katie’s changing belly shape as the “birthdate” approached. There was much discussion from posters. Suspiciously, many sounded like they were from the cult.
    After his “marriage” to Katie, a hustler let it be known that he had pics of the wedding for sale. He “committed suicide” not much later. Those first on the scene found the dead man’s position odd, indeed. It just didn’t make sense to them. His family concurred.

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  8. alif said on June 15th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    Oh, sorry for the long post. All this is just what I’ve read. Some of it is from underground papers. Cannot say who published them, because they are famous, now.
    I did print several of the Defamer.com stuff. Should have done more.

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  9. inOttawa said on June 15th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    I have a friend who is well connected through international aid activities and who claims to have heard second-hand from people who knew men were brought to Tom in his hotel room in Toronto. I argue with her because I think Andrew Morton would have uncovered this fact in his book, but did not. I am still wondering if this is just urban rumour gone wild… I mean, how would a young woman like Katie Holmes get roped into this kind of stupid hypocritical lifestyle – a girl who otherwise seems to have been raised in a pretty normal environment — it just seems so out there! Does the celebrity thing turn people’s values so upside down?

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  10. inOttawa said on June 15th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    ps – I am so glad there is no Charlie Sheen info here. That is so openly pathetic and nothing more to add to this otherwise funny actor’s sorry existence.

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  11. Patty anne said on June 15th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Thank you alif, you always share such interesting information. :-) @alif:

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  12. alif said on June 16th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    @Patty anne:
    My thanks to you. I do this because of the dangerous cult which some report as willing to off its enemies.
    Also, because I read that TC had a certain new actress blacklisted because she honestly stated, when asked, that he didn’t know how to kiss her.

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  13. nursing schools said on June 16th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    this post is very usefull thx!

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  14. mooki said on June 16th, 2010 at 7:47 am

    technically, their “marriage” isn’t legal here in the US because Scientology isn’t considered a religion thus they had to get “married” overseas (The Travoltas had to do the same thing)

    We all know about Suri’s real daddy, don’t have to get into that (now, Katie reuniting w/ him is another deal in itself….)

    have any of you been keeping up w/ the Perez/Miley/panties-or-no-panties pic scandal. He posted a pic of Miley with a see-thru-skirt with her panties showing on his Twitter page (he always does the upskit pics of of the starlets coming out of the limo on his site) and all of Miley’s fantards, an LA “criminal defense attorney” (who doesn’t sound like one) and the parent groups are going nuts calling for him to be arrested for child pornography! ridiculous! she’s turning 18 in Nov. so this is hardly an issue
    http://www.themoneytimes.com/featured/20100616/hilton%E2%80%99s-exposure-miley-qualifies-child-pornography-id-10117815.html

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  15. mooki said on June 16th, 2010 at 7:49 am

    @alif:

    didn’t Cruise have the $cientology mafia/OSA off the gay porn star who was in the sex tape w/ him?

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  16. mooki said on June 16th, 2010 at 7:50 am

    @mooki:

    also, Miscavige’s role in this needs to be looked at
    http://www.whoisdavidmiscavige.com/

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  17. KG said on June 16th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    @alif: Suri is not Cruise’s, and you’re right, he is sterile. That’s a fact.

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  18. alif said on June 16th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    @mooki:
    No, I think he sued the financially poor guy. He later sued the wife of this man. Only, he lost the suit, and had to pay for all the costs. After that, there weren’t any reports of any more suits; at least that I’m aware.
    There were recent reports that Miscavige has amused himself and his friends with tapes of Tommy’s confessions. Nothing about Tommy’s reaction to all this.

    In the Defamer.com I printed out, there are reports that Tommy lovves to wrestle. And he has a preference
    for redheads. One redhead had a story to sell re: Tommy’s method of “wrestling”. He went to, or was sent the wrong person, who made promises; but instead betrayed him. The redhead was not heard from again.

    Mooki;
    The public mainly doesn’t know about Suri’s real parents. And we only speculate about the real father.
    Even certain parties of the media matter-of-factly report on him as the father.
    The posters at Defamer.com wrote that her father is either Chris Klein, or a member of the Mapother family. Don’t remember if his name is William, for sure.

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  19. alif said on June 16th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Wouldn’t you know it, AP reported that Chris Klein was arrested for DUI. The picture of him sober looks similar to how I looked at a younger age.
    *Shakes head, and murmers “What the dickens?”*

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  20. mooki said on June 16th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    @alif:

    there was an article about Chris Klein admitting that he was Suri’s papa, but I have not seen it anywhere.

    btw, here’s the “happy couple” at the Knight & Day premiere
    http://twitpic.com/1xcdfv

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  21. mooki said on June 16th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    @alif:

    http://nosysnoop.wordpress.com/2006/09/07/chris-klein-the-biological-father-of-suri-cruise/

    “The story goes that when Katie Holmes split with her exboyfriend Chris Klein in March 2005, she may or may not have realized she was pregnant with his baby. She started dating Tom in April, 2005, and according to this tale, when Tom found out she was expecting, he not only didn’t MIND , but he insisted on taking credit for the pregnancy. They abruptly got engaged in June 2005. Since the baby was scheduled to be born too soon into their relationship, Tom and Katie faked the birth date. She actually gave birth months EARLIER than the announced birth. She wore padding for the last few months after the REAL birth, and made sure she was photographed. In case you don’t remember, Suri’s announced April 18 birth was oddly undocumented – there were no hospital records or specifics. Where WAS Suri born? Tom and Katie didn’t want their baby photographed because it would be apparent that Suri wasn’t newborn. After a few months it’s not so easy to recognize a baby’s exact age. Have you noticed that Suri has uniquely slanted eyes like Chris Klein?”

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  22. I'm on the bidet said on June 16th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    @alif:
    So Chris Klein looks like a younger you, and Suri looks like Chris Klein . . OMG, are you Suri’s grandfather?

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  23. I'm on the bidet said on June 16th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    @mooki:

    Katie Holmes Ex: I Got Her Pregnant
    http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=34335&cat=2

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  24. alif said on June 17th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    @mooki:
    Yes, yes and yes!
    Exactly what the posters at Defamer.com were saying. What happened to Defamer.com? The cult threatened them. The site changed and became mild compared to before.

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  25. alif said on June 17th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    @I’m on the bidet:
    What a coincidence, eh?
    The slight difference is that my nose is thinner.
    But there’s more. ‘Several months ago, I was checking a story on the internet concerning a young creative writer in show biz. There were his hands up, palms outstretched. I couldn’t believe it; they were almost exactly like my palms. But I mustn’t have believed it too strongly because I neglected to print that picture. Or maybe I didn’t think it was that important after all.

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  26. alif said on June 17th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    @mooki:
    Did you read the comments? Could they sound any more cult-like?

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  27. Emerson said on June 17th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    God, is that why Chris Klein is all drunk and driving over 100 down the freeway? I have a date to date list on the whole Suri pregnancy, would love to post but it is quite long :( but is this why Tommy boy is not at all with his family save for the “premieres” of course? Can someone PLEASE give Katie a happy pill?? If I have to look at her miserable face anymore I’m going to puke!!

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  28. alif said on June 18th, 2010 at 1:59 am

    @Emerson:
    It would be very informative! You could split it into several segs.

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  29. Emerson said on June 18th, 2010 at 9:01 am

    @alif:
    will do lol shortly

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  30. Emerson said on June 18th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    First, I apologize for the length of this post. A friend of mine put this together, and boy it really works to me, I am in no way saying it is gospel, it is just very interesting to read as a whole, so instead of breaking it down I will put it all out there. I am no pro, I am not swearing by it, it just gives a unique perspective into the whole TomKat Suri situation….no more no less, I am not insulting anyone, etc. etc. Take from it what you will…this also starts from the wedding…

    With all of the publicity that the recent TomKat wedding recieved, I feel that the world may be forgetting the real issue at hand. And so as a pursuer of truth, I’ve decided to step up and re-examine the reasons for my beliefs regarding TomKat and the mystery surrounding Baby Suri. It’s nothing personal I have against Tom Cruise or even Katie for that matter. I just hate the feeling that I am being lied to. And I definitely feel that Tom and Katie are both lying to the world and their daughter. I also feel that the rest of Hollywood is going to back me up on this one. I did alot of research putting this together, so please bare with me. Now let’s look at my timeline…

    Sept. 24, 2002—Katie is reported by The Star magazine to be desperate to tie the knot with long-term love Chris Klein. The two have been dating since early 2000. According to The Star, Katie reportedly gave Klein an ultimatum to set a wedding date sometime before her 24th birthday on December 18 or she would end the relationship.

    Jan. 2, 2004—Chris Klein and Katie return from Christmas vacation together and announce their pending engagement.

    Sept. 11, 2004 —Chris Klein and Katie are witnessed in Maggiano’s (L.A.) having a bitter argument. Katie appears to be crying profusely. Chris Klein reportedly heard saying ‘I need space’

    Mar. 4, 2005 – Katie and Klein publicly announce that they are separating after a 14 month engagement.

    Apr. 14, 2005—Chris Klein is arrested for a drunk-driving. Briefly incarcerated.

    Apr. 28, 2005—Katie and Tom Cruise are spotted in Italy together. Rumors of TomKat abound and are later substantiated as Katie (26) and Cruise (42) are seen holding hands in the streets of Rome. Media frenzy sets in.

    May 4, 2005—TomKat surface at Las Vegas strip club. Katie’s dad gets pissed. Quoted as saying “Dawson would have never taken her there.” Critics doubt the validity of TomKat romance…’War of The Worlds’ and ‘Batman Begins’ scheduled to be released that summer.

    May 5, 2005—Katie suddenly drops out of New York fashion show, co-chaired by Nicole Kidman. Kidman is quoted as having said to reporters “She looks like she has put on weight.”

    May 24, 2005—Cruise makes a complete jackass of himself by jumping on Oprah’s couch. Publicity for ‘War of the Worlds’ plummets. Cruise announces plans for Mission Impossible 3.

    June 1, 2005—Both Katie and Cruise publicly deny romance is publicity stunt. Cruise makes appearance on Today show…Paramount execs later announce shelving of Mission Impossible 3, citing conflicts between the company and Cruise’s unprofessional conduct and over-endorsement of Scientology.

    June 30, 2005—Cruise announces to German magazine he believes in Aliens and is subsequently shot in the face with a gag microphone. Cruise’s popularity falls even farther as he over-reacts to the prank.

    July 7, 2005—Katie starts filming of Thank You For Smoking. Aaron Eckhart reports that Katie was frequently either sick or pissing during production. Chris Klein reportedly makes many appearances at the set. Cruise later announces engagement to Katie. Katie is unavailable for comment.

    July 26, 2005—Katie photographed in public sporting cold sores and a large red rash around her mouth. Rash is usually associated with Scientology Purification ritual for pregnant women. Scientology declines to comment.

    Aug. 24, 2005—Steven Spielberg blames Tom Cruise for drawing attention away from War of the Worlds with wild relationships and couch-jumping antics. Spielberg quoted as saying the film’s carefully crafted media plan had been ‘de-railed’.

    Oct. 6, 2005—Cruise and Katie announce they are expecting their first child together. Chris Klein reportedly quoted as saying ‘I hate Fat girls.’ Sex scene between katie and Eckhart cut out of final release of Thank You for Smoking. Eckhart reports Katie appeared swollen and pregnant. No comment from either Katie or Cruise’s publicist. Katie’s publicist is later fired that day and replaced by Cruise’s sister, Lee Anne DeVette. Paramount subsequently announces the go ahead on Mission Impossible 3.

    Oct. 17, 2005—Katie suddenly withdraws from Dennis Quaid New Orleans picture over concerns for her pregnancy. Quaid is reported to have said Joey appeared extremely pregnant and that he found it hard to believe that her and Cruise had just found out about it. Quaid later retracted all such statements.

    Oct. 21, 2005—Katie deliberately seen hiding uncommonly large pregnancy bump at L.A. fashion show.

    Nov. 25, 2005—Cruise and Katie fire joint publicist, DeVette, over a conflict in interests. Cruise drops $200,000 on own personal sonogram machine and hires own personal doctor and nursing staff to operate out of his Hollywood home.

    Dec. 29, 2005—A very pregnant Katie appears on camera and states that she will not marry Cruise until after she gives birth. She states “All these rumors that we’re getting married this week or next, they’re just not true. I won’t be waddling into my wedding with a big bump.” Cruise is later announced that day as ‘The Most Annoying Celebrity’ for 2005. No comment from Katie and Cruise’s joint-publicist.

    Jan. 2006-to-Feb. 2006. There is incredibly little seen or heard from “Kate” and Cruise in this two-month span. When Cruise is seen out in public, he is not accompanied by Kate. Rumors circulate that the two have separated. Neither Cruise or Katie appear at the Jan. 25 release of the severely edited Thank You for Smoking premiere. Aaron Eckhart refuses to comment. Stories circulate over the possible name for the TomKat baby.

    Feb. 15, 2006—Joint-publicist for Cruise and Katie announce that the couple is not separating. Cruise and Katie are mysteriously absent from the public.

    Feb. 17, 2006—A remarkably thin Katie is seen getting off Cruise’s private jet in Sydney, Austrailia. This is Katie’s first public sighting in months.

    Mar. 17, 2006—An awkwardly padded Katie is seen with Cruise at Angels Stadium in Anaheim, cheering on Team USA against the Mexican national baseball team. Neither Katie or Cruise are available for comment.

    Apr. 4, 2006—Cruise leaves Katie days before the anticipated due date to fly to Germany to appear on a wacky television show for kids. He appeared on the show and stated that he and Katie were going to wed in the next several months. He then went on to promote the upcoming release of Mission Impossible 3.

    Church of Scientology.

    Apr. 18, 2006—Katie reportedly gives birth to Baby Suri with Cruise at her side. The birth of Baby Suri coincides with the birth of Brooke Shields baby. Cruise and Shields had been in a long running feud stemming from Cruise’s open criticism of Shield’s use of mood-altering medications to treat her post-natal depression, following the birth of her first child. When shown on camera she is asked to comment on the birth of Baby Suri. Shield’s is publicly humiliated. Cruise later cancels all further promotions for Mission Impossible 3. Later that day Katie is released from the hospital and sent home. No one at the hospital was available for comment concerning the birth. When asked a spokesman from the hospital stated that Suri was healthy and doing fine.

    June 27, 2006—TomKat refuse to sell pictures of Baby Suri after media outlets refuses to offer prices comparable to what was offered for the pictures of Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie’s Baby Shiloh.

    July 11, 2006– Baby Suri’s birth certificate is leaked onto the Internet, prompting speculation about the actual date of birth. The document was filed with the Los Angeles County Register Recorder/County Clerk, and later obtained by Tmz.com, on May 8 – almost a month after Baby Suri was born. It’s customary in Los Angeles to file the birth details within 10 days of the delivery. A source at St. John’s Hospital told TMZ the delay occurred because they needed a signature from the parents or a representative of the parents certifying birth, and that person did not come in until May 4. The person who signed for Tom Cruise and wife-to-be Katie Holmes is labeled a “friend” in the document_ The hospital source also reveals the ‘friend’ explained to staff that the birth certificate was necessary for Suri to obtain a passport. Chris Klein’s whereabouts are unaccounted for.

    August 14, 2006—A very large Baby Suri is seen being carried into and out of a party thrown by Will Smith and wife Jada-Pinkett. At four-months the child seems unusually large. When asked to comment, Will Smith states “She has no deformities” and that “She looks like Tom.” No public photos of Baby Suri are released.

    Sept. 6, 2006—TomKat strikes a deal to release photos of Baby Suri to Vanity Fair magazine. Once the pictures appear, Baby Suri is old enough so that it is nearly impossible to visually determine her exact age.

    If Chris Klein were the father of Joey’s baby, then that would explain perfectly the disappearance of Tom and Joey in January and February of 2006. That would have been approximately 9 months after Joey and Chris Klein broke up. Coincidence? I think not. I will also bet anything on the fact that the unnamed secret friend that signed the birth certificate in place of Tom was infact Chris Klein, himself.

    Which brings me to my point. Baby Suri was a publicity stunt taken way too far! I think that if my assumptions are correct Tom and Joey and Chris Klein should all be sent to prison for the rest of their natural fucking lives for the creation and subsequent exploitation of a child.

    If Tom Cruise was any kind of man, or if Joey wasn’t such a slut, or if Chris Klein wasn’t such a…ah…I don’t know what Chris Klein could be considered. But if any of them were decent human beings, they would come forward and put this charade to an abrupt end.

    Thanks for taking the time to get this far,

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  31. alif said on June 18th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    That essentially was what was the story on Defamer.com.

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  32. purdy said on June 18th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    All very interesting reading. Thank you.

    Call me crazy but almost every time I see Tom Cruise’s 2 older children, I study them. I can see a slight resemblance of the boy to Tom, specifically his nose and mouth area. I see in the girl, a slight resemblance to Nicole. It’s something about a part of her face – sorry I can’t recall what portion at the moment as I have not looked at her lately. However, it is only one feature but it definitely is identical to Nicole’s facial feature. Overall a person would NOT immediately say “oh, he/she looks like Nicole, or Tom”. It is only after careful study, that I have formed this opinion. I’m just saying it could be something, but I don’t know what. Especially, if it is true and Tom is sterile. I mean if he were not sterile and he and Nicole were having trouble conceiving naturally, then couldn’t it possibly have been done in a test tube using a surrogate mother. Never mind the boy is a dark skinned person. I don’t know if the surrogate was a black woman and maybe Tom and surrogate’s goods were used?

    Oh, please don’t laugh. I have noticed that many,many times in studying these kids. What does anyone else here think about that. You know, someone who is more knowledgable about such medical things. Anyone see ANY facial feature resemblance there?

    Thank you.

    Purdy (BTW that is my poodle’s name)

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  33. purdy said on June 18th, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    OMG, I just looked at Chris Klein’s eyes. Could very well be related to the little girl. My oh my. And, I pray Suri never reads this kind of stuff EVER. Bless her sweet little heart.

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  34. Emerson said on June 19th, 2010 at 6:20 am

    All I know is that Katie looks HORRENDOUS and Chris Klein is well on his way to alcoholim…that speaks volumns! I mean, where/when was the last pic of Katie looking well? She looks so unhealthy and unhappy! Lies can eat away at you absolutely. Those “sciencetology” cleansing regimans make you look worn out and quite fug, if you know what I mean! I am doing a spa day today and if I come out looking like Katie, I am demanding my monies back! I think what we are seeing are guilt guilt and shame, with Suri and Conner and Isabella, which should be a crime. I too think Connor look like Tom…why do these “celebrities” bring children into their unstable lives? Scientology just

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  35. mooki said on June 21st, 2010 at 9:36 am

    @purdy:

    It’s well known that Connor is the product of a fling between Nicole Kidman and Lenny Kravitz when Nicole and Cruise were separated between ‘94-’95. Isabella is rumored to be the child of David and Shelley Miscavige whom Tom “adopted” from one of the many Sea Org orphanages.

    btw, Chris Klein just checked himself into rehab at the infamous Cirque Lodge in Utah. Infamous because that’s where a certain Ms. Lohan stayed the last time she ever was in rehab
    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20395619,00.html

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  36. alif said on June 21st, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Looks like Tommy is in touch with his inner Dorian Gray!
    Just kidding! We know that hiis nose job, hair plugs, hair dye, and a bit of nip and tuck does it for him; as well as a good diet.

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  37. Emerson said on June 22nd, 2010 at 9:00 am

    wait explain to me the Sea Org orphanages??? Am I being dumb? why would David and Shelley Miscavige give a child to Tom? Trust, I am a bit slow today, but I do know one thing, those eyes of Suri’s match Chris Klein’s EXACTLY, and why would these people let that little girl grow up in one big lie??? How can Katie/Kate Cruise allow that to happen? I don’t care if he’s an alcoholic, drug addict, transvestite, et al, he deserves to be in her life and some father figure should be since Tommy Boy sure isn’t…..and why is everyone afraid to talk about Tommy Boy and Scientology? Will they come out and kill you? Really? I’m not getting the whole “no one say anything about Tommy (in main stream media) or ELSE” He’s a FREAK, certifiable…gay, straight, whatever, he’s a freak…

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  38. alif said on June 23rd, 2010 at 12:43 am

    Anyone here who could translate German? Here’s a pic of Tommy in drag.

    http://www.imagebam.com/image/26b3fb85522248

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  39. Kate said on June 23rd, 2010 at 1:20 am

    @alif:
    He made a cute little girl , didn’t he? I like Tommy boy , despite some of his off the wall rants. He has a infectious smile, and can be a genuinely nice person I hear. He has a charm about him that some other actors don’t have, although I am sure he can be a cold bitch as well. Can’t we all? LOL His COS does not bother me as it does others because I admire the fact that he does not back down from what he believes, even if others don’t. Might be wacky and harmful in many ways, but the guy is committed. Have to admire that about him. Not sure I get why Katie put herself in this position, nope, not at all. She did get an adorable little girl out of the deal . jmho

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  40. alif said on June 23rd, 2010 at 1:59 am

    @Kate:
    There’s nothing I admire about Tommy Cruise. I’m sure he is charming to others, and that’s why he was able to recruit some stars to the cult. But he couldn’t do it without possessing some evil qualities. A very familiar trait with others who, historically, have seduced the people. And his cult sure has manipulated the media and kept it from prying too close. But all I get from him is, he is a colossal phony!
    Poor Kate/Katie! She sold herself for what? She’s not a big star. Did she give up her Catholic faith for this?
    But the main thing I detest is his cult. And he’s part and parcel of that cult. He is way up there in the heirarchy. And, that’s not laudatory, considering its history.
    Regarding his not backing down, remember, Bush went and invaded an innocent country, and never backed down on this. And that’s my response to Tommy not backing away from the cult. But, really, there’s more: He can’t do anything because the cult has secrets about him that would ruin his career.
    If he would rebuke the cult for its involvement with shady dealings, probable murders, and other activites, then I’d have a little respect. But that’s not gonna happen!
    There are many bloggers who do a better job than I, about exposing the evil cult. There were many just in the past year!

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  41. alif said on June 23rd, 2010 at 2:02 am

    The “adorable, little girl” is most likely Chris Klein’s. She’d have her without Tommy.

    Oh, was anyone able to read the German language? If so, what?

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  42. Emerson said on June 23rd, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    @alif:
    ditto lol he is a FREAK, no more no less Suri is not his child, that is obvious, Katie/Kate is one of the most unhappy people I have EVER seen!!! When are they ever together? Or happy looking? Why is everyone afraid so much of the CULT and that is what it is…that SCARES me, committed or not! Look at Suri and then Chris Klein and tell me who’s the daddy?? It’s most obvious, and I’m most curious as to why why why?

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  43. Emerson said on June 23rd, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    well the teeth certainly are Tommy boys….

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  44. Kate said on June 23rd, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    @alif:
    That may all be true Alif, but that is what freedom of religion is . I don’t agree with what the COS stands for, or many other cults, but far too many who profess to be committed to a faith do not ever take a stand for it. That was my point. You do, but there are many who will deny at the first trial. He believes what he believes. I really doubt that Tom Cruise is too worried about his secrets getting out. Despite his control they are out there, and most people do not believe that he and Katie have a real marriage. What they do believe however is that he believes what they sell him at the COS 100 percent. If he ever got to the point that he did not, it would be interesting to say the least because Tommy Boy most likely has as much on them as they do on him. jmho though.

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  45. Kate said on June 23rd, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    If she is Chris’s daughter, that would never stay hidden forever..as an adult she will hear the rumors and find out for herself. She chose to enter into this contract with him, after 3 others said no. She knew exactly what she was doing. If she is unhappy, she knows it has a time stamp on it. Taking her daughter with her, is another thing though. The young and the foolish.

    Alif, as for giving up her faith for this, how committed could she have been to start with to enter into the fraudulent contract? I would bet she is more committed to her faith now that she was then. lol okay sorry that was not fair, but people do tend to retreat back in times of need. I don’t feel too sorry for her. She will come out of this okay in the end, she will still be young enough to get her soul back. She is not the first to prostitute out her life. That has gone on since the beginning .

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  46. Emerson said on June 23rd, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    @Kate:
    Kate I’m curious, what contract? and what 3 others? They are just too freaky for me, and I never never never see her happy or blissfull, which is sad. She seems soo depressed! You know more than me, so please fill me in!

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  47. alif said on June 23rd, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    @Kate:
    This is in no way, manner, shape or form, a religion as I understand it. Unless the definition of religion has changed; in which case the true religions must make a stand about cults being labeled “religions”.
    Even from what I’ve read about it, the cult of scientology is a joke, not a religion.
    For anyone who doubts this, please go to the various sites that point out how ridiculous this cult masquerading as a religion, is. As a matter of fact, I need to go there and refresh my memory.
    This cult needs continued exposure as to what it really is. They may cry “freedom of religion”, but that also needs to be addressed by church leaders of various faiths.

    Obviously, little Tommy didn’t stand by his Catholic faith. It would have interfered with his career, and his obvious lust for power. That was what his Superior at the monastery Tommy attended tried to get through to his brain. It was like talking to the proverbial wall, according to what later transpired.

    Tommy is probably very afraid of the goods that the cult has on him. Very afraid! And he should be, because the cult knows everything about their celebrities. Case in point: For years, the cult tried to get acknowledged as a religion, for tax purposes. The IRS always turned them down. BUT, the cult leader had had knowledge about the top IRS honcho’s secret life. He, and his minions paid him a visit. Result: The cult had its status changed. And the cult knows what Tommy’s sexual proclivities are. Do you think the naive public will support him if the cult reveals what it knows? Thus, Tommy would be under tremendous stress at the least!

    This isn’t new! We had an FBI director, named Hoover. He also lusted after power. He worked his way up the ranks, and eventually got the top job. And he knew all the secrets of men in politics, male actors, (regarding their sexual activities) and a host of other inside information his office provided him. He was extremely aggressive and no politician could get rid of him. He had the goods on the Kennedys for example. He knew which major stars were gay. He seemed to have all the power he could desire. However, someone else had knowledge of his secret life: the Mob. They had photos of him in drag, among other things. His investigation of the mob came to a screeching halt! It was revealed that he had had a longtime “special friend” named Clyde Colson. They dined together and CC was the beneficiary of his will when Hoover passed.

    BTW, the pics of Tommy as a teenager dressing as a girl, is good. But there were others of an older Tommy posing again in dresses that The National Enquirer published several years, ago. Not as good!
    It made me wonder why the man who possessed pics of TomKat’s wedding was put away. Did they include Tommy modeling the wedding dress? Just wonderin!

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  48. alif said on June 23rd, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    All one has to do, is google The Cult of Scientology; which I”ll do at my leisure!

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  49. Kate said on June 23rd, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Hey Alif, I agree, that to you and I it is not a religion in the traditional sense, but everyone I know involved with the COS certainly considers it a major force in their life in the same sense that I do God. There are many cults that we do not think of as a religion that others use as one. Then we see the blinders come off and they get out..and when they look back they too see it is not a religion, but people have a free will to choose what they want to follow and that we have to respect, unless of course it is evil and aimed at us. Many founders of different sects have manipulated their members and I know the COS is no different. People find things they do not agree in just about every form of organized religion or whatever you would like to call it. Buddhism, COS. Christianity, Wicca, Judaism, Amish, Muslim, Jehovah Witness, and the list goes on. I have seen some self appointed leaders basically manipulate their flock into believing they are the New Age Incarnate. After they have given away just about every penny they have, they figure it out.

    We all remember David Koresh. Technically a sect, but no different that a cult imo. My point is that regardless of how it is defined, when a person ,in their mind, heart and soul, makes it their religion, it doesn’t matter what it is to us. To Tommy Boy I don’t for a second that it is his religion. lol I have no idea what he believes in relation to life on earth , before and after, but he has been very outspoken about what he believes rules the way he lives his life on a daily basis. He credits the COS with his success. He has also stated that is how he wants his children raised, not Catholic, unless something has changed his mind that I am not aware of.

    The COS may not be what we would choose, but at least he has some structure. He is not doing smack, cocaine, drinking himself into a stupor, staying doped up all day and night and popping pills to the point he can not even take shower or a shave. In my mind it is the lesser of the two evils I guess. I would rather see a child raised with some structure than with none, and druggie parents.(as far as we know) jmho though

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  50. alif said on June 24th, 2010 at 1:51 am

    He may not be doing smack, cocaine, or the other stuff. What he’s doing is promoting the cult. The cult that is censored in many areas of the world. He promotes it. That’s why he is “CHARMING!” He wouldn’t get far if he didn’t flash those teeth. He has to in order to get what he wants.
    And Kate/Katie looks miserable despite his “charm”. It will be interesting to see how Suri turns out. It is reported that she’s allowed to do just as she pleases with no parental guidance in the form of discipline.
    I found it hard to believe a couple of years ago, that TomKat gave Suri a million dollar birthday. That was something like seeing something in print that one couldn’t fathom; and therefore let it go.

    Yes, there are many pseudo-religions out there. They do not become involved with killing their enemies. If they do, they certainly should be exposed.
    There are celebs who left the cult of scientology and paid the price with the loss of career momentum.
    Other cults do not do that to ex-members. One actor who left, Jason Beghe, has had a hard time of it. Ditto, Karina Lombard, who was the actress who honestly answered a question about Tommy. Also, reports about Tommy using his then tremendous power to suppress other actors and actresses. Brooke Shields was one who felt the heat from Tommy’s scientology cult beliefs. Later, he realized the public didn’t appreciate his public putdown of Brooke regarding her use of a prescription drug for post-partum depression.
    He also made slight of Brooke’s career during that period.
    Perhaps his drug is power. But his anti-drug stance may have had to be put on the back burner when he had his nose job. And his nose is different from a few years ago.
    Finally, that drug called power, does destroy people!

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  51. Emerson said on June 24th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    @alif:
    Religions, cults, whatever, to each be their own, BUT when you have a small child “owned” by Tom Cruise, with a “wife” who looks miserable to say the least, that is wrong, just wrong in so many many ways. Who were the other 3 suiters that were denied? I”m very curious. AND why did Chris Klein not want his daughter? Was it that alcoholism? Well, that worked out just fine didn’t it? Each day Katie/KATE looks worse and worse and worse, and btw, has anyone seen any of her movies???? PALEEZE! OH yeah she can “dance” and “sing” etc. etc. Not by a mile. So why was she so eager to pick TOMMY? Money? Fame? Because he pimps out Suri way more than he did with Conner and Isabella. Please someone fill me in on this nonesense before the COS finds me and recruits me!!! jk all But who were the 3 other and why did Chris not want his daughter and why is Katie so unhappy???????

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  52. Kate said on June 24th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    @alif:
    Point taken, no argument on the COS, but my feelings towards Tommy Boy just don’t equal what some of you and the others feel. He has his faults, we all do, but I have my reasons for feeling the way I do. I know many do not like him at all, I respect that. If people knew all the dirty little secrets about their fav actors they would most likely throw them to the dogs to. lol I stand by what I said. Everyone deserves a second chance imo when they redeem themselves. I will stop there. :)

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  53. Kate said on June 24th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    http://womansday.ninemsn.com.au/celebrityheadlines/1072469/angelina-jolie-turns-to-scientology

    For entertainment …because this has to be complete bs.

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  54. alif said on June 24th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    @Kate:
    Often it’s what we DON’T DO that is just as damaging as what we DO!
    Tommy is way up there in the cult; so he has to be blind to not know what his cult is up to. Well, he is very righteous in other matters, but his lips are zipped concerning the evil that his cult does.

    I nod my head about the dirty little secrets of our favorite actors. I had a different viewpoint about Dustin Hoffman, after I read that he had an actress canned from the movie, “Tootsie”. It was a crushing blow to the actress, who had a dream part, for herself! And she had already signed for the part. We haven’t heard anything about her career since then. She was replaced by a great talent, Jessica Lange. But still, there is what Dustin Hoffman did.
    I know much worse things because I’m in an area where many people reside who were in show business, and are retired; or left it for personal, or professional reasons. Or, they may know someone who knows things. So they are free to talk. And since I have a history of working in the medical field, I have personally seen some big names of the past and present.
    A rather routine incident: I had a roommate in college, who was watching a tv program with me. There was a scene which brought out the comment from him that he set up that scene and the actress got the part because she sexually-serviced the director.
    Obviously, I won’t talk about the really bad things. But in the library, one can research tons of information.

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  55. alif said on June 24th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    @Emerson:
    Scarlett Johansson, Lindsay Lohan and Kate (?). I think there was a fourth one. Katie Holmes was the last one on the list. She was so vulnerable at the time.
    No one will fill us in on what transpired in order for Chris Klein to give up his parental rights. Little wonder that he turned to alcohol. But a therapist would have been the better help of course.
    To lose a child is devastating; but if money, and/or threats was involved, then the guilt must be overpowering!

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  56. Emerson said on June 24th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    @alif:
    KATE and ALIF you just made my week!!! This has been a horrible work week for me, and I’m hysterical thinking of the COS Angelina, and Mrs. Scarlett Johansson/Cruise, Mrs. Kate (I think Beckensale?)/Cruise, and last of all Mrs. Lindsay Lohan/Cruise…..OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Forgive me for laughing at it all, but it was a well deserved laugh trust………..hahahahhahahhahahahahahahhaha

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  57. Kate said on June 24th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    Hey I think Angie should have taken a hit on ole Al Gore, at least he could have trusted her to keep her mouth shut at the times she should and open when he wanted her too, ha ha. Who knows, maybe he could have even made it to President one day with her by his side. He is just slightly more bloated that Bradley has been. What do ya think? Angie and Al? That has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?

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  58. Tomkat said on June 25th, 2010 at 1:37 am

    There’s no comparison between Brangelina and TomKat.

    TomKat have a church arranged contract. In fact people who were still in the church at the time said it was definitely arranged. I mean CREDIBLE witnesses, not some vague “a source.” Which of course explains the puzzling head over heels floor show 3 WEEKS after they met. That’s why he avoided giving straight answers to basic, innocuous questions about how they met but wanted to go on and on non stop about everything else. There are several interviews on youtube about it, you can see for yourselves. On the other hand, Brangelina are together because they want to be. They may be shitheels but they’re shitheels in it together. And they like just about every bit of publicity and chit-chat they get.

    I also want to say the his other kids are older and can decide when or if they want to be photographed. They’re probably with their mother a lot of the time too. Tom is just a lot more into having his life photographed these days, like Brangelina it’s to create (or in his case improve) an image.

    However the kids were raised as Scientologists and by the time Kidman bowed out of the church (which by REAL insider testimony ended the marriage as it would in that cult with anyone) it was too late.

    The greatest issue is that TC is basically supporting an institution from which people have to escape when they want to leave!

    It’s not the dogma that outrages people, it’s the institutionally sanctioned human rights abuse. You can find testimony from many direct sources on that too. What’s angering is that Tom’s rich ass refuses to look at the routine abuses suffered by all but wealthy members INCLUDING children. One example is having kids cleaning raw sewage from pipes with their bare hands. And when open sores fester, denying them treatment. Then there are fierce interrogations if they even suspect someone is even thinking of leaving. As if the mental anguish of that isn’t bad enough, it often leads to confinement or hard labor.

    Tom also assisted banning “The Complex.” See John Duignan’s 16 part interview on youtube. Also Aaron Saxton’s. And google Paulette Cooper’s story (1970s). Also watch defected actor Jason Beghe’s interview. And Marty Rathbun’s. Even Hubbard’s son Ron DeWolf gave an interview in the 80s, it’s on line too. They all pretty much support each other’s account of events.

    But Katy seems happy enough to play “See no evil, Hear no evil etc….” to her hearts content. However it is harder to leave once you strike a deal like that. And the kids Scientology education is crap to boot by any standard. You can look up study tech too if you have any doubt.

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  59. Emerson said on June 25th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    @Kate:
    OMG once again GREAT way to start this shitty week!!!!! May well introduce to you First Lady Angelina Jolie Voight Gore…………LOVE the sound of that!!!!!!!!! This is a perfect way to start my day!!!

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  60. alif said on June 25th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Re: Al Gore. He has a nemesis. Her name is Ann Coulter. She kinda looks like a guy in drag. She has written several bestsellling books that cater to conservatives. She uses clever sales points to snag more and more readers; and to get on talk shows. Anyway, she claims that Al Gore is gay. She also said that about Senator Edwards, (before The National Enquirer exposed his extra-marital affair with Rielle Hunter even as his wife was battling cancer.)

    Al Gore is an icon with the liberals. Lately, the pressure of his activism seems to have gotten to him. He looks the worse for wear; very pale and almost pasty.
    He seems too mature to fall for the wiles of any predatory female.
    Maybe he could see what’s happening to Mel Gibson. His girl friend, Oksana (sp?) apparently got what she wanted from him: a baby. Now, she wants to distance herself from him, except for the money to which she now can lay claim. His enemies are very happy about all this.

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  61. Emerson said on June 25th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    @alif:
    hahaahha too good too, just thinking of that fool Ann Coulter gives me a laugh, and yes isn’t Osana quite the sly one…you have one child to a celebrity so you are set for 18 years, then just when that one is almost grown, you find another dimwit, so she’s set for the rest of her life now!!! wooohoooo, I want to turn into that woman! Or Ann Coulter? Or Al Gore? Anyone else will do for this week, lol

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  62. alif said on June 26th, 2010 at 2:29 am

    @Emerson:
    Yes, have a great weekend, everybody!

    Michael Jackson is discussed on almost every talk show, today. CNN is still featuring him, and it’s getting close to midnight.
    From all I’m seeing, he is sorely missed!
    It’s summer; and I was in my favorite canyon, hoping to see some snakes. Had my camera, ready. Nothing!
    Monday may be better!

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  63. alif said on June 26th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    @Tomkat:
    Thanks a million1 You said it as well as I’ve read anywhere!

    I might question, what’s up with Oprah? Not only did she present Tommy in that couch-jumping incident; she featured him again in a follow-up. Then, she started having guests who are members of the cult. People such as Kirstie (sp?) Alley. Yesterday, she devoted a whole show, (I only read the guest list; didn’t watch) to Tommy and his new movie, “Knight and Day”. She already knows her great influence; so she must be aware of her aiding and abetting role in promoting the cult!
    So she’s part and party to the evil cult, by her giving free publicity to its adherents who, for all purposes, advertise the cult. They are, in effect, hostages, albeit glamorous ones. And Oprah all but gives her blessings to all that!

    Re: the photo, above. Kate/Katie looks more masculine than Tommy.
    Tommy’s really channeling his inner Dorian Gray!
    JMO!

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  64. alif said on June 27th, 2010 at 3:53 am

    @alif:
    The following article is dated, Tuesday, June 21, 2006. It is titled, KATIE HOLMES’ MISSING DAYS:

    http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,160192,00.html

    It is by Roger Friedman. It will give us more insight as to the story behind TomKat’s whirlwind “courtship”.

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  65. Kate said on June 27th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    @Tomkat:

    I get all of that, completely. But..this is a free country , to say what you like, to follow what you like. I don’t believe that any of us have the right to tell another what they can follow as a guideline for their life choices. We do have the right and civic duty though to call out those who infringe on the rights of others . If the COS is putting children into those situations that is neglect and child endangerment, clear and simple. My problem with all of this though is you can take any organized religion (yes I know they are are not but many say they are) and you will find things that are offending to you. Some people are riled by circumcision of baby boy’s. Everyone has a opinion , that is fair of course, no one is ever going to agree. I highly doubt that you can classify every person in the COS as the same. As for not being able to leave, the same has been said of the Mormon church,and the Amish. I quite frankly do not understand that. Everyone has a choice, unless you are a infant or dead. You simply make the choice and live with the consequences, that is all. If you want to leave, leave, if they make your life hell, you deal with it. How different is that from the studio that force their actors to stay in? Not much. They come out, they sacrifice, but they may gain personal freedom in the long run. It is the same thing in my mind.

    The COS for cripes sake is not going to start killing their young if one leaves. They could strip me of everything I had , they could not make me stay or do something I did not want to. Reveal all , I would just take my peace of mind and start over. Most that stay do so because they like it. All of the people I know in the COS want to be in it, they honestly believe it changed their lives. I think it is basic brainwashing, but more power to them if it helps them.

    For whatever reason these people choose to be a part of the COS, that is their choice, just as it is the choice of those who choose to be atheist, to be Christian, to Buddhist, or whatever. That is why we have a free country. I under stand rising up against practices that are dangerous, not treating one medically,etc, but I don’t think you can profile everyone that is in the COS by that. Not all Mormon’s have 10 wives, only very few sects practice that and most Mormons are horrified when they are grouped together with the ones who take a 12 year for their wife. It is this kind of profiling I am opposed to. So because Tom Cruise supports the COS that makes him ??, or is it because he is allegedly gay and he refuses to come out and the COS is known for suppressing that? I suspect that is really what pisses off many, but again, that is his choice, as it should be. Just my personal opinion. I have never been in favor of outing someone who is publicly trying to live a straight life. If they live “out”. (ex:Anderson) but do not make an announcement, not such a big deal. These people that go to such great lengths to hide their sexuality have the right to make that decision themselves, like Tommy Boy, or John Travolta. They are married, have kids, when we make that decision for them, more than just a studio and fans are affected.

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  66. Tomkat said on June 28th, 2010 at 4:21 am

    @alif:
    Hi Alf, if you haven’t already watch Astra Woodcraft’s story and her eventual escape on youtube, as well as Tanya’s escape which is both heroic and heartbreaking. It’s horrible they way they track them down afterwards. And of course never tell them up front what’s coming. There’s actually a lecture where LRH as much as says, “We tell them they can leave at any time but by that time we’ve built the walls too high.”

    Another awful escape was the man who Marty Rathbun chased across country and eventually locked up on the Freewinds, confiscating all his ID, in a foreign country He literally devised a tool to role down the ropes, when the boat docked. It’s in the Tampa Bay expose.

    The story of the Australian man’s two dead infant daughters was almost unbearable. You have to credit the guy in the Aussie senator for going to bat don’t you?

    It’s unthinkable this could exist in the free world. But we’ve of course we’ve seen this in the free world before. It’s called La Cosa Nostra. Few lawyers are willing to go to bat against racketeering. A few years ago one of the few lawyers that would, Graham Berry gave a very informative lecture in Germany on Scientology from it’s beginnings till now. A MUST if you haven’t seen it (2008).

    I can’t answer for Oprah, I can only assume it’s ignorance of facts. I’m pretty sure she’s opposed to book banning. Many people don’t realise the violation of people’s basic human rights. I mean the abuse of minors is mind numbing and unconstitutional in all free societies. That and incarcerating people against their will should be enough to sound blaring alarms. One would think.

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  67. alif said on June 28th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    @Tomkat:
    I must follow up by reading what you’ve cited. It will take time. But there are so many references; almost no excuse for my ignorance. So off we go!

    Oprah has been featuring scientologists for a few years. Today, she is again spotlighting Kirstie Alley.
    You may have noticed that Oprah has been made a fool, by certain “authors” who plagiarized others’ works. She found out later, after some people exposed them.
    She famously promoted “The Secret”, which is just hogwash, according to the clergy in many faiths.
    But there is some truth even in much of The New Age stuff, so that it’s easier to absorb by regular people.
    JMO! Oprah’s billionaire status is seemingly an albatross. The reason I say this, is because she seems somewhat at sea, sometimes. She flounders, it appears to me. There’s no real spiritual foundation to keep her afloat. Again, jmo!

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  68. Tomkat said on June 28th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    @alif:
    Hello again. I seem to remember some author that made up stuff for his book. Sounds like an honest mistake but one that might have been avoided had they researched properly. I think another problem is these people live far away from the where the rest of us do. They have assistants and advisors doing research for them and sometimes come by the facts late. Once someone did a show on why so many HW actors got such bad plastic surgery when there was better surgery out there. He had a surgeon on from Mass General who agreed. Anyway the host concluded that they were listening to bad advisors whose research wasn’t up to scratch.

    Anyway I don’t know that she just kisses the behinds of only Scientologists-look at Kimmel. There are other actors she swoons over. However some of this might be denial. It’s hard to accept that things are that bad. Hard to say what’s going on. I also don’t get her support of Dr Phil. Though some of his horse sense advise may be true, he’s opportunistic and a sensationalist and that doesn’t belong in therapy imo. Big flunk for her on that one.

    I think your albatross comment may have something to it. You live like that long enough and things are bound to get somewhat distorted even with the best of intentions. There’s no touching base.

    I did mean to overwhelm you with sources lol. Graham Berry’s lecture, the one from 2008 is a good place to start. He was also fair gamed and his practice ruined but at least he didn’t wind up dead like Shawn Lonsdale. I guess that’ something.

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  69. Shannon said on July 1st, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    OMG, are you guys for real? I mean… you guys have nothing better to do than come onto a site like this and SPEW a bunch of SH*T? Get a life! I hope Tom and Kate keep their daughter away from the Internet as she gets older… you people really need to get a f*cking life!

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  70. Alif said on July 3rd, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    @Tomkat:
    No problem, re: the sources you cited. It takes work, sometimes, but it’s so necessary to keep the public aware of the danger of cults; and in particular, the cult of scientology.
    Society has so many ills, that to take on just a few does take a lot of time and energy. In many cases, money!
    They say ignoranced is bliss! True, but also very destructive, imo!

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  71. Alif said on July 3rd, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    @Alif:
    Meant to type “ignorance”.

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  73. albert jhony said on March 2nd, 2011 at 6:34 am

    Very exclusive video post. I can only assume it’s ignorance of facts. I’m pretty sure she’s opposed to book banning. Many people don’t realise the violation of people’s basic human rights. Thanks !

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