IUC World Exclusive: Sandra Knew Jesse Was Cheating!!!
A close friend of the oddball couple revealed to IUC last night that Sandra knew Jesse was cheating on her for months. And she did nothing to stop it because she craved the amazing sex Jesse gave her. “When Sandra accepted the Oscar and thanked Jesse she knew everything that was going on,” the close friend told IUC in an exclusive interview. “The couple had problems for months and were estranged several times. One time, in the heat of an argument, Jesse threatened to destroy Sandra if she left him. To this day I think Sandra is thinking twice about her next move because she’s terrified of what Jesse might do to her.” The source added that Sandra is afraid that Jesse might release revealing videos and nude pics of her if she files for divorce. Developing….
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what the hell is it with these people that feel they have to make videos and take nude pictures of each other. cannot sex between a man and his wife be private and loving without all these videos and pictures beingtaken. she should have known that with his rep he would turn dirty when she wanted out of the marriage. the hollywood people know that some of their marriages do not last and be carefull about taken videos and pictures. she can have it stopped by law and he would not have a leg to stand on as others have done, but then with scum like him it is not a sure thing he would find a way to leak it.
Replyi say tell him to hell with him and she can also bring the dirt on him and he could loose his kids it’s his choice his kids or a scandal. i would never sleep with that man again as he can give her aids and worse so get rid of him and take the heat i know it is easy to say but what is the alternative life with the scum or aids get out. jmo
That you would even post this makes me a little ill. What is missing in your life that makes posting something like this bring you joy?
Replyjan/sa
I agree. Don’t take nude pic or make vids if you don’t want them to get out. Simple. Especially, if you are in HW. Sandra, his great sex can also give you aids. Did that not cross your mind? And, I really hope she isn’t blackmailed into staying into that relationship. She could get the law involved. If he tries to create a scandal, he could lose his kids. I am sure she has just as much dirt on him. If he wants to play hard ball, then play.
ReplyThis is such a surreal story I can’t quite get my head round it right now. Whatever was going on and for whatever reasons it seems like she was pretty in thrall to this dickwad. You can’t help who you’re attracted to or who you’re in love with I guess – a lesson I’ve learnt the hard way. Am feeling pretty sorry for her at this point to be honest, but I still think this will wreck her career. She is in the exact same predicament as Jennifer Aniston, Reese Witherspoon, Julia Roberts et al – got to be seen as “America’s Sweetheart” – and who can really live up to that at the end of the day? With what we’ve heard about a lot of these women I think the whole concept is a bit of a myth nowadays anyway. Can we think of a single star who was really the all American apple pie cutie people thought she was? I don’t think there is a single one. Just shows what fantastical fables we are fed by HW publicists.
ReplyI can believe Sandra figured out Jesse’s cheating, and her comments to him after winning the Oscar may have been meant to drive him away from cheating and back into the relationship. I have a harder time believing Sandra is so stupid about her sex life. She’s smart everywhere else in her life, with entrepreneurship inside and outside of Hollywood, so why is she suddenly dumb when it comes to sex? Is there some kind of sodomy fetish, as suggested in the prior item, that is so compelling to her that it makes her lose her common sense? I don’t get it.
Reply@I’m on the bidet:
Hm, well ok all I can say is I would like to think of myself as a pretty smart girl but when it comes to love I am a total dumbass who just does not know what’s good for her and it has been the bane of my life for quite some time now. I suspect that this is a bit more than just sex, it’s probably more like sex/love/passion/obsession/crazy jealousy etc. It’s a pretty powerful combination when put together and I have found it makes people who are generally smart in all other areas of life do some pretty dumb things. It’s like being insane in fact – totally irrational. I suspect that this might be the case here with Sandra and she has ended up being totally in thrall to a guy who – let’s face it – is no great catch after all. Poor Sandra.
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
nope, she should cut and run, and watch her career soar, SB was never America’s Sweetheart, she was always tough, and a party girl , no secret there, and nothing wrong with it either. She will just get meatier roles. Her career will not be ruined. I told you guys Tiger’s would not, Tyson’s was not, Kobe’s was not. Many things, a lot worse have gone town in town that this, they do not live by the same code as civilians, you know that. Jen also is not a little innocent, and she admits that herself. Now, her career would take a severe hit, Reese’s would,
if people just knew what a cold bitch Reese could be that would do it, SB is tough as nails. Don’t think so, I say bring it on Jesse.(although a part of me wonders if this is not another marketing ploy by him (now, not to start with, more that it has evolved into one to save his career, he is the one that will need the help, although his audience seems to be cheering him on), because I have a hard time with the idea of him threatening her like that. Guess that was why he had the teary eyes, eyes of shame and guilt for what he was putting her through.
What would be the point of staying if someone blackmailed you into it, the connection would be gone between you.just saying..
Go Sandy!
That said, I don’t think many outside the message boards care, it is “oh yeah poor girl” , “now what are we having for lunch” this does not garner the same conversation around the water cooler if you will that Tiger does or Brange. Too many just did not care when she married JJ, or were turned off by it. They were never the Prince and Princess of the ball. Do not mean to sound insensitive , but that is reality.
Hope she leaves his sorry butt.
jmo and Happy Easter.
Replykate i think it would really not hurt any of these women as real people know we all have a few skeletons in the cupboard and it just makes us more human because we trusted the one we loved. in my eyes it makes the one telling or publishing the pictures or video the asshole and generaly people rally around the likes of sb,rw, and jen as they never put themselves out their like the jolie/oitts and shoved their imoral lives down our throats. she should leave him and if he dares publish it i think she will come out ok. as for jen a little dirt might spice her up for us and wether she is gay bi or loves kinky sexs i would still watch her movies as long as she leaves other womens men alone. jmo
ReplyIf it’s true that he’s holding something over her head (big “IF” because it seems like a story I’ve seen play itself out a gazillion times around me at my age… but for the stripper crowd
)… at some point it would seem to me she, who people are saying is a tough businesswoman, would say “bring it on, Jesse baby”… like another post said, there is very little left that will surprise or capture the public’s attention very long these days. So what if there were orgies, threesomes, Dirty Sanchez’ action, etc… I think people will move on quickly.
Reply@Kate:
Hm that’s interesting because that’s definitely not the image of her we have in the UK. We see her as a real down home American girl (if that is the right expression); wholesome, down-to-earth and girl-next-door. Stories about her being a party girl and tough as nails have not filtered down as far as Europe to my knowledge, we perceive her as who she plays in her films – maybe just because we have never bothered to think much beyond that before. Like you say, she just doesn’t garner the interest that the likes of Brange or Tiger do, she is more like one of us. But I have to disagree with you here Kate and say if that sex tape was ever released or any evidence associating her with condoning or even knowing about JJ’s offensive neo-nazi views then I think she would be in serious, serious trouble in HW. I’m not sure whether there is a difference in perception in the US but in the UK we find the swastika to be an outrageously offensive symbol and one that is never shown in any context other than film or TV dramas about WWII whatsoever, it is totally taboo. There was outrage at the sight of Prince Harry wearing that Hitler armband in the UK and his PR squad had to do some major work to rehabilitate his image since (not that he hasn’t been caught on tape using racist terminology since though – although at the moment he does seem to be surviving these scandals). You can’t deny that the Jewish community are a major force in HW – do you think they would have all voted for her for that Oscar had they known about that tape? And even without the Jewish connection that is one nasty, nasty-sounding sex tape. Nothing like the relatively tame offerings of the likes of Paris Hilton and Pamela Anderson. A gun, anal sex, a Nazi hat bearing a swastika and skat play? Come on Kate – how many Americans are going to want to go watch her represent the American Everywoman type (which is the role she plays in all the films of her’s I’ve seen) after that? I don’t think very many. And I think she knows that, which is why she is running from the media like a greyhound. Sorry Kate, got to disagree with you here, I think this is shaping up to be a major scandal I have to say. A cheating husband and a sex tape is one thing, white supremacist strippers, a picture of her husband giving the Hitler salute and a sex tape involving all that stuff is quite another. I don’t think this is going to play out too well at all for her I’m sorry to say. And I’m sorry but I think if such a tape really does exist of her with JJ then I have to say that I do find it incredibly offensive. Put it this way, I would not be in the same room as someone who was wearing a hat with swastika on it, let alone having sex with them. And I think a lot of people are going to feel the same way. JMO
ReplyJolie and Bullock would make the best next couple. Her Maddox looking girlfriend could be the injured party. Great entertainment for the next five years.
ReplyKate, I was also wondering if a sex tape would ruin her career. And, you made good pt.s about Tiger, Tyson and Kobe. They will/have all slide by and bounced back from whatever brick wall they hit. Can’t say the same for Chris Brown. But, I can’t help but wonder if this could ruin her. Tyson, Tiger and Kobe are all men; Sandra is a woman. And, there are plenty of things the public will give a man a pass for and then turn around and crucify a woman for the same thing. Anytime a story break about a man cheating, comments flood the internet saying, ‘maybe he was unhappy,’ ‘happily married men don’t cheat,’ ‘his wife wasn’t doing her job,’ blah blah blah. But, I wonder if it would be the same if a woman was caught cheating on her husband. Something tells me no. She would be called everything in the book. It is always the wife or other woman that really feels the backlash, never the man. At times, it does feel like we are living in a man’s world. I really don’t know how this will turn out. Sandra took his kids in and raised them like they were her own and helped him win custody of his little girl. And, how does he thank her? If he would turn around and blackmail her after all she did for him, it will speak volumes about his character or lack there of. I hope he will think about his kids before releasing any tapes, IF that is really what is going on.
Replyi don’t post much, i really enjoy reading ians post and keane is one of my favorite posters. i think , and excuse me for being crude, that jesses huge penis and great kinky sex is what kept her in the relationship and perhaps they had fun together,i dont’ think her career will be ruined, however. i think she and him will quickly divorce and she will unfortunately pay him off if he signs an ironclad confidentiality agreement so as not to besmirch her “americas sweetheart ” rep. i am 2 years younger than sandy and she was someone i ran into at e.c.u. in greenville back in the 80s. she used to work at hanks homeade ice cream shoppe which was near my aprartment and i would see her at grog’s ( a local bar) i am sure both of these bueinesses are long gone. sandra was not famous then of course, but i remember her as very friendly and nice and cheerful and not known as a slut or anything. of coursethat means nothing now, but i did have a few endounters with her and when i saw her years later on the big screen in speed, i was like, omg, i know that chick.. and sure enough it was sandy.
Reply@joanne:
God that is so true – please don’t give them any ideas though!
ReplyThis story reaks of falsehood. A close friend would NEVER reveal this kind of thing to this blog. I’m really sorry, but Ian isn’t exactly known for having the highest journalistic standards. So I hardly think that a best friend of the couple are going to spill to someone who always says “story developing” after blogging some fact from a “friend” and then never gets back with any proof of anything.
Reply@v:
Yes I forgot to mention that, but that really was the essence of my point in relation to the difference between the probable fate of the likes of Tiger and that of the likes of Sandy i.e. one has a penis and one doesn’t have a penis. This makes a big difference folks, let’s not go deluding ourselves otherwise.
Replyi’m not really surprised.
I also won’t be surprised if Elin secretly knew about Tiger and his harem. Elin’s just putting on a dumb dora act
ReplyBruce Springsteen has a mistress, according to court docs:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/an_under_dFoIwCZyS1kP73wg2jSQVL
btw, I just saw an article about Bombshell Mcgee and Hailey Glassman (Jon Gosselin’s ex) staging a Celebrity Boxing match in Vegas. doing what famewhores do best…
and Jesse James stayed in sex rehab a lot shorter than Tiger did, after Sandra didn’t take his calls:
Replyhttp://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2860516/jesse_james_leaves_rehab_furious_when.html
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Bombshell Mcgee = fetish porn star/hooker. She’s probably not a neo-nazi, but puts the shit on for her clients.
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Replyyou don’t seriously believe mainstream will ever see that tape Keane? even it is released they won’t, nor will the majority EVER hear about it, I guarantee you that, how many do you think know what Kobe really tried to do..I bet no one on this board, and I will not put it here..but I bet no one…no, she is scurrying with a heavy fixer you can bet..this is not going to hurt her. Now what might is how she handles it..look at Mark Furhman, how many times did he spew the N word, and he is a celebrity today..yep. made him a frigging celebrity…why..because of the way he handled it. She will be fine.98 out of 100 don’t know and don’t really care what is going on with Sandy, it is just “poor Sandy” and if there is any Nazi play going on, she will get a good flack to spin it someway. wait and see. America is very forgiving of it’s stars, that is why Angelina is where she is today. jmho
@mooki:
Replytotally agee Mooki, how many think stars that wear a Crucifix are Christians, or those who have Christ tatooed on them with the thorny crown and blood dripping off his head as he kneels in the Garden are Christians…same thing..pop culture, those are offensive as well as they spew filth from their mouths, and those symbols mean absolutely nothing to them. I could name a few but I am sure all of you can think of them as well. If I wear a skull & bones belt does that make me a occultist? The Nazi symbol agreed is very offensive, but unfortunately Brad’s movie has made it very popular. Jesse had it on his boards, and other personal items in his garage, this was never a secret, why is everyone acting like it is?
@mooki:
ReplyShe did, for two years, from what I have been told.
According to Radar Online Jesse James has bolted from rehab. Uh-oh!
ReplyIn Brangie news, all 6 children were taken out for Easter w/ loser dad and psycho mama. Guess In Touch got a little to close to the truth.
I have heard so many news entertainment sources label Sandra Bullock, as “America’s Sweetheart”. The public thinks so, because they put their money down for her flicks. She was voted #1 at the U.S. boxoffice for 2009.
The title of “America’s Sweetheart” goes way back to when Mary Pickford reigned. (Mary Pickford was from Canada.)
It’s been used for many charismatic, young female celebs throughout the decades since then.
Usually, it means a white actress: the same way that certain white young men were labeled “All American!”
My first inkling that not all is as it seems was when Sandra Bullock planted a big kiss on Meryl Streep at one of the pre-oscar awards. Meryl Streep? So it was a joke? Alrighty, then!
“America’s Sweetheart” needs her peers to gather ’round and use their power to throw Jesse James to the curb; imo!
SB brings the people to the theaters. Hollywood should protect its goldmine. Right now, her movie, “The Blind Side” is the favorite movie to rent at the Blockbuster chain.
I personally don’t think she’ll be #1 this year; not the way Johnny Depp is filling theaters around the world.
Reply@alif:
Replyno she will not number 1, I would bet she will stay out of the media for a good year or two like some of the others do when a scandal hits. Her Oscar movie changed things for her though, it took her completely out of the genre she was in, and will allow her to continue, if she does not go back to romcom’s. We’ll see. I think she may have known a good deal of what Jesse was about and not other things. She may not have found out some of it until she was already married to him, can’t hold her responsible for his bad deeds unless she was partaking as well. I am giving a pass for now.
@Kate:
how many Scientologists are really Xenu lovers? (i.e. all of Cruise’s wives) it’s all about helping your career…
Reply@Kate:
Sandy doesn’t play strictly rom coms. She has been in a lot of movies that were more drama than comedy. Infamous, Crash, Murder by Numbers, the Net. Even Miss Congeniality was more of a comedy than a romantic comedy IMO. I never really thought of Sandy as Americas Sweetheart in the way that Reese or Julie R are. I always think of Sandy as more quirky than that.
RE Elin – isn’t she about 4 to 5 months pregnant – which would mean she found out she was right around Thanksgiving when all hell broke loose. That is probably the reason she didn’t immediately file for divorce when the scandal broke.
Reply@ mooki – she was pictured in one of the widely circulated photos of her released to the press wearing a Nazi armband – it doesn’t matter if she really is a Neo-Nazi or not, she was still wearing that most incredibly offensive, most tabboo of symbols. In Europe and I suspect places like Canada where Ian originates from this is still an unthinkable thing to do. Prince Harry was crucified in the press for wearing it to that fancy dress party although clearly he wasn’t genuinely aligning himself with those values. I am amazed that it is not perceived in the same way in the US to be perfectly honest. Maybe because WWII doesn’t loom so large in the American consciousness as it does in Europe’s? Who knows. But I’m telling you now anyone who is associated at all with that symbol – even if it is only her husband who is pictured with it – will be finished in Europe faster than lightening. Europe is still traumatised by WWII and the holocaust, it is far too recent in our history to look at that symbol with anything other than disgust and outrage. Which is why you never see it, not ever. Maybe Americans have become desensitised to it because of the numbers of Neo-Nazis who have adopted it in the states, but not here, we are not used to it at all, it is still very shocking to us. Which is why I think Sandy’s career will be toast, over here at least, and nothing will change my mind on that.
ReplyWell I’ve been enjoying the posts all weekend long and have enjoyed the differing points of view, but the one thing no one has mentioned and that perhaps to me seems most logical is that when Sandy and Jesse got together, wasn’t Sunny just born? Or soon to be born? That would be a MIGHTY big reason to stay with someone like Jesse, that and great sex…lol, now I am looking at that from strictly MY point of view, because I am unable to have children (not saying Sandra is or isn’t) and I am Sandra’s age…and had I started to date someone I was attracted to, enjoyed being around, and had bonded with a small child during this, I think I may have overlooked some of Jesse’s not so great defects…especially for the child. So, 5 years in, with a child I had virtually adopted and raised (and I say virtually since it’s obvious the mother is still somewhat in the pic) I would have a very, VERY hard time walking away….and what is amazing is that almost no comment on this blog has recognized that? Everyone is all very “pc” and all about “America’s Sweetheart” etc., but how about this story being about a mother and a child? Because she is as much if not more a mother than the biological one is, which is also very much the theme of The Blind Side, sorry do not get the whole “the Blind Side is a racist movie” comment….I think this story comes down to a mother and a child, and not the fake Jolie-Pitt crap that is forced on us, because, keep in mind, Sandra has kept this virtually out of the public, except for the recent court case. So, she may or may not have known what a creep Jesse is/was, what a nazi loving symphathizer et al., but she had 3 step children to think of, she had been in their lives from a very young age, and it sounds to me the primary care giver for them….so before everyone (meaning tabloids) posts these oh so lovely videos, which I am sure exist, because people are stupid, let’s think about the children involved?? Eh?? In fact, before you all say “but Jesse wasn’t thinking of HIS kids” ya know, sometimes it’s better to just be better than other people…more kind, more considerate, more empathetic….jmo, now back to it….
Reply@keane cyber queen supreme:
Replyactually, my father was in WWII and brought back many horrific pictures with him that I am absolutely appalled by, I know the price he paid, and our Country paid, and I actually originate from Germany, my ancestors came over in 1797….seeing the pics of Jesse, et al??? Means nothing to me….am I a nazi lover because of it? Not in a minute….I have friends who have done the same thing, looking stupid in pics….it just makes me want to not label someone even more, because isn’t that the point??? Hitler labelling people?? In order to make the perfect race???
@keane cyber queen supreme:
Oh Keane – I think people are still suffering in the US over effects of WWII – even though it wasn’t played out on our shores with the exception of Pearl Harbor doesnt’ mean we didn’t lose thousands of soldiers to the war. We too had rationing etc although not in the league of Britain. I mean, some of the best movies in history related to WWII have come from the US – Schindlers list among many. It was a WORLD war, not a Germany/Britain war so I think the whole world was affected by it. Personally, my Grandfather fought in the war for Britain, as a child my mom was farmed out of Kent for the duration. Unfortunately, this country has always had a wide race divide and there are factions of Neo Nazi’s now dedicated to preserving White Supremacy – an extension of the KKK, but that is a very small number and not indicative of the entire American population. I think it must be hard for Europeans to imagine how massive our country is, and when a small group of people hit the newswaves like the Neo Nazi’s it puts a stain on the entire country, but in reality they are just a very very small number in relation to the entire US population. It would be like us saying that because there are a lot of junkies in the UK that all Brits are junkies. And BTW – that picture of Harry received the same outrage in the US that it did in the UK. Why would you say that he wore the symbol but obviously doesn’t align himself with those values, but if someone from the US wears it they do?? Isn’t it worse for a Royal to wear that symbol then some nobody mechanic like Jesse James?
LOL And you must know by now that I am going to jump on that wagon and defend this country when I read a comment that wrongly perceives us! hahaha
ReplyKate are you serious? I’m amazed you would say that. Yes using religious iconography in pop culture can be offensive but there is no comparison between that and wearing a Nazi hat or a swastika armband – these symbols are totally tabboo. And it really doesn’t matter whether the person wearing that symbol is a Neo-Nazi or not, it is the fact that they wore the symbol itself that is so offensive. Nobody in the UK ever thought that Prince Harry seriously harboured those views when he wore that armband, that wasn’t the point. The point was that he wore the most offensive symbol that exists in the world I would say at all – joke or no joke, fancy dress party or no fancy dress party. You just don’t do that in Europe, no way, it really does not happen. And I would imagine Ian would perceive that symbol in exactly the same way which is why he is going after this story. He is really spelling it out in that pic up there. I’m sorry but if Sandra really is involved in all this as Ian has suggested then I’m not surprised he is going after her, it is beyond offensive. Maybe people in the US do not understand what impact that symbol has in Europe still – we are horrified by it, there really is nothing worse. And as far as Sandra goes well she really couldn’t have picked a worse predilection to have exposed. This will be curtains for her career, in Europe at least, you wait.
ReplyBy the way who are Kobe Bryant and Mark Fuhrman? And by the way if someone used the “n” word in the UK and I would have thought the rest of Europe too they would never be seen or heard from again. They might actually be prosecuted in fact. We jave strict laws against race hate and that would constitute it. We’re from different worlds it seems folks!
ReplyKeane – was it curtains for Harry when he wore it?? If as you say the outrage is of intolerable proportion in Britain, then shouldn’t Harry be beheaded or at least stoned in front of Kensington Palace or thrown in the dungeon to rot for all eternity? Come on…..
ReplyKobe Bryant is a player for the LA Lakers, who was accused and went to trial for rape – his wife stood by him. Mark Fuhrman was a cop who was a witness at the OJ Simpson trial, used the N word and was vilified for quite a while but has seemed to move on.
Reply@keane cyber queen supreme:
ReplyBTW the N word isn’t too popular over here either. Several people have lost their careers over it, Michael Richards for one – there was such a huge public cry of protest over it that I don’t think his career will ever resurrect. (He was Kramer on Seinfeld)
Sorry don’t have a great deal of time to respond to this but I guess Harry got away with it – just – because he was a young lad at the time, he is generally well-liked and he obviously still gets a bit of a free pass with people in the UK because we watched him walking behind the coffin of his much-loved dead mother at the age of about 11 after we had watched him grow up. He is in many ways still perceived as a child I would guess and he was forgiven – just – for doing it, because it was clear it was part of a childish, unthinking prank rather than having any genuinely nasty intent behind it. He was perceived as a young lad who did a stupid thing – probably to impress his mates – and just about got away with it. But let’s face it, they have had him out there doing charity PR on more than one occasion since.
Jesse James, the tattoo-ed stripper and Sandra Bullock playing around with those symbols is quite another thing entirely. Not one of those individuals was the child of the most-loved woman in the UK, nay the world, Princess Diana, who lost their mother at a tragically young age. They are parents themselves, in charge of and responsible for their own choices. They are not young people who we can say ok we’ll give you another chance because everyone makes mistakes and you didn’t know any better. Sandra Bullock is a multi-millionaire movie star and producer for goodness sake, no-one is going to give her a free pass for this, no way. Maybe if she can successfully completely distance herself from this Neo-Nazi, white supremacist shit of course, but who genuinely believes that someone could be married to a man for that length of time and not know about his views? It just won’t wash. She knows it too and that is why she’s running scared.
And the only reason I refer to WWII is to try to understand the difference in perception of the swastika between people in Europe and in the US. I can’t emphasise enough how shocking this symbol is to people in my region of the world and how totally taboo it is. It genuinely is the worst thing out there and because of that you just do not see it. People in this country genuinely are shocked to see a picture of a woman wearing a Nazi armband and a man giving a salute like that, we just do not see this. So what I am suggesting is that people in the US must be desensitised to it from greater exposure i.e. there are more people in the US who will openly wear that symbol or adopt Nazi gestures, therefore it is not so shocking to you. Of course this does not mean that I think everyone in the US is a white supremacist, that wasn’t what I said at all. Other than Prince Harry wearing that armband to the party, these shots of the hooker and JJ and the occasional TV drama or film, I have not seen that symbol at all in the media for as long as I can remember. I would imagine, as with images of serious disasters, that it is very difficult to get that symbol broadcast on a TV channel or printed in a newspaper at all in the UK and there would have to be some incredibly significant reason for doing it – it is that offensive to people. Put it this way, I made a doc about the Hillsborough disaster and we were not allowed to use images of it from the archives – that is how strictly certain images are controlled. And the swastika would be the most controlled image by far for sure. So basically what I’m talking about is how powerful that image and that of the Hilter salute is in the UK and Europe. It is an unthinkable image. Link Sandra to that and her career is over in the UK and Europe for sure. There won’t be any excuses made for her as there were for Harry, totally different situation. I’m just trying to explain to you what the UK and I would have thought the European perspective is.
Reply@Tamara:
In the UK it is literally never heard in the media ever, not ever. Again it is one of those unthinkable words/images. The only time it is in fact heard is when rap stars use it. A girl used it once in a jokey fashion to a friend of hers on Big Brother and she was instantly ejected from the house and a massive brouhaha ensued. I can’t think of one occasion on which I’ve heard it being used as a racial insult, even on hard-hitting TV dramas. Again, it is just one of those taboo words in the UK which you literally never hear in any other context than rap records.
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
The USA population did suffer; but not to the extent that Europeans suffered, at least in the European theatre. For example, we didn’t have perpetual hunger; we didn’t have screaming air raid sirens; we didn’t have the gestapo patrolling our streets; we didn’t have family members betraying one another; the list goes on and on. But we did suffer the loss of mainly young servicemen/women.
BTW, Hollywood did its part to ensure patriotic hope and glory.
The Japanese did invade American soil. Up in the Aleutian islands. And after the war, it was revealed that bombs had been discovered on the Pacific coast in California.
ReplyHi Alif, can I just reiterate that this was not a discussion about how much one nation suffered relative to another in WWII as there is no real point in debating that. America did not have it as bad as the UK did that’s for sure, but arguably we didn’t have it as bad as the likes of France and certainly the Jewish population of Poland did for example. Which is not to denigrate any individual country’s role in the war, just to say you could argue that there was a spectrum of suffering depending on the involvement of each.
However, none of this is at all relevant to my actual point which was trying to understand why the swastika is so much more of a taboo symbol in some areas of the world than it is others. I can only assume it is through WWII casting a longer shadow on Europe than it has the states or that people in the US are more desensitised to it through the preponderance of white supremacists – something we thankfully do not have in such an explicit way so far in the UK.
Reply@keane cyber queen supreme:
I agree but my post was to make others read that an American is aware of the suffering that Europeans went through compared to us. Also the nazis weren’t directly terrorizing Americans like they did the Europeans. We didn’t have first hand experiences.
That is very important to me to point out!
The swastika is very offensive to a large segment of the population here; at least to those who are more familiar with the war because of our movies, books and our school system. It’s just that the ordinary person doesn’t get interviewed by the press; so we can’t express our utter disgust.
ReplyWe are de-sentisized as well, because of our daily news in the media. One can check out not only local crime waves, but see them happen in other states as well. We are bombarded with images and news items that are horrifying to even the most jaded of viewers.
For example, there was a CNN news item regarding an adult who molested a baby. Thanks to the one who removed the item after one brief showing. The pervert will be a target among prisoners because that’s one thing even prisoners will not tolerate.
This is the kind of daily news we get in America. Unless one has had enough and will stop reading or viewing the news, the end result is that we are less sensitive to the horrors.
@alif:
Hi Alif, just quickly in relation to what you were saying about desensitization I would say that in the UK we also get the horrible stories about child murderers and paedophiles unfortunately so I think we are probably about the same in terms of exposure to horrific things there. What we really don’t have though are the ghettos, the widespread use of guns and the gang culture you have in the states. There is some gang activity, but it is more about teenage boys (school boys mainly) and knives rather than adults and guns – it is not as extreme. Another thing that is very shocking to people in the UK and Europe I would have thought are American prisons. The men are treated like animals and behave like animals with a violence that is almost unthinkable to people familiar with the UK prison system. In the UK we are all about rehabilitation – to the point where we are seen as being soft on criminals. In the US it is like once a man is in the prison system that is it for life – totally scary. So yes I would agree there are some pretty major differences between us in terms of perception and exposure to horrific things. And I agree that the European experience of WWII was different to the American one – the whole of the UK was bombed and all are cities bear those scars to this day. My auntie can remember running away from Nazi bombers as a child as they tried to gun down her and her school friends as they went into school. My Nan used to run through London to get to the bomb shelters during the air raids until she was evacuated with her sisters. My Grandad was based out in the Suez Canal for the duration of the war on a ship, not in direct action though thankfully but still a very dangerous place to be nonetheless. Every single person in the UK and most of the rest of Europe – civillian or serviceman – were affected by the war for years of their lives, like you say they were terrorised. And yet all my family seemed to come out of it completely unscarred by it emotionally, which to me seems like an incredible thing.
Reply@Kate:
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