. Michael Baden, chief medical examiner for the state of New York, told FOXNews.com that because the California coroner’s office did not mention any health conditions or trauma, it is safe to assume that the singer was abusing drugs in a manner that led to his ultimate death.
“One can reasonably speculate [that drugs are to blame] since the initial autopsy findings made no mention of an injury or trauma to the body and no mention of natural disease,” Baden, who recently performed the private autopsy of actor David Carradine, told FOXNews.com. “The fact that they didn’t say anything about it indicates he did not have a bad heart.”
So much for Ian`s claim that Micheal Jackson suffered from Alpha 1 which seriously damaged his lungs! It wouldn`t surprise me at all if the rest of his claims in the book are as false and unreliable as this one!
Looks like TMZ has the better sources! Hah!
I’m not a fan of Michael Jackson; but was very intrigued by him. He was the greatest entertainer I have observed. But there were the scandals, which tempered my appreciation.
I prefer the vocals of Elvis.
Interesting how dazzling were the costumes of great entertainers like MJ, Elvis, Liberace, and others.
The cause of Jackson’s death will be drugs. Police, now Feds are not looking at any health problems; as it appears there were none. Michael was a hypochondriac, The Feds are now involved and as more people are being questioned, docs and lawyers, family and friends opening up, we are finding out the truth, that Jackson did not have a serious health problem responsible for his death. He was emotionally troubled, and from the sounds of it, very heavily addicted to drugs for some time. Anyone who knew him at all, would most likely know this. It’s why Marie Presley left him, why his lawyer is speaking out, why Gupta and Chopra are speaking out, and why charges will eventually be laid in this case. While murder was not the intent; an intend to addict this singer to drugs IMO, for money, to keep him under control and dependent on drugs, for money, to keep him in this state of chaos, worry, were the intent. It is obvious now that Michael Jackson came to his demise by a mixture of drugs, and most likely the most powerful one – Diprivan had a major impact.
Federal agents to join probe into Jackson’s death
July 1, 2009, 10:41 PM EST
LOS ANGELES (AP) — The investigation into Michael Jackson’s death deepened late Wednesday with word that federal authorities will step in to help local police take a look at Jackson’s doctors and his medications.
The Drug Enforcement Administration was asked to help the probe by the Los Angeles Police Department, a law enforcement official in Washington told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the investigation.
Following Jackson’s death, allegations emerged that the 50-year-old King of Pop had been consuming painkillers, sedatives and antidepressants.
Michael Jackson pleaded for a powerful sedative for his persistent insomnia in recent months, according to a nutritionist working with the singer as he prepared for his comeback shows in London.
Cherilyn Lee, a registered nurse specialising in nutrition, said she received a phone call from Jackson four days before his death that made her fear he had obtained Diprivan or another drug to induce sleep.
Lee said Jackson, who died of a heart attack on Thursday, complained that one side of his body felt hot and the other cold, leading her to believe that “somebody had given him something that hit the central nervous system”.
“He was in trouble Sunday and he was crying out,” she told the Associated Press.
The celebrity website TMZ, which broke the news of Jackson’s death, reported that Diprivan was found at the singer’s house after he died. It said Diprivan, the brand name for propofol, a powerful drug delivered intravenously to anaesthetise people before surgery, was available only to medical personnel.
“There is no conceivable way this drug can be properly prescribed for home use,” an unnamed source told TMZ. Prolonged, high doses of propofol can lead to cardiac arrest.
Police have widened the circle of doctors they want to question about the medication Jackson was taking.
Rest assured, charges will be forthcoming. Jackson’s lawyer had indicated that Jackson was into drugs worse than Anna Nicole, that he was in FINE HEALTH and points his fingers at the docs, and those close to him that helped him get the drugs, his enablers: responsible for his death.
Jackson’s death was due to a cocktail of drugs; and one extremley strong one it appears. He had insommnia, much like Elvis did, with all of those drugs, and a troubled mind, no question he’d have difficulty sleeping.
The police and Feds now involved; this is serious folks and does not even remotely suggest any physical ailment, this points to manslaughter. Doctors and possibly some people close to the singer will face charges. There must be several very worried docs and possibly friends who knew of his drug habit at this point.
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This pretty much tells the story now I’m afraid. Feds looking into this, docs saying Jackson was a hypochondriac, autopsy reports not pointing to health problems.
A few hours after Michael Jackson’s death, family attorney Brian Oxman spoke to CNN from the hospital, where he was with the Jackson family, whom he described as “sobbing” and “stunned.” He said he suspects drugs played a role in the 50-year-old singer’s death due to cardiac arrest (see video):
Michael has always been in fine physical condition. … This is not something that was unexpected … because of the medications which Michael was under. … The people who have surrounded him have been enabling him.
If you think the case with Anna Nicole Smith was an abuse, it’s nothing in comparison to what we have seen taking place in Michael Jackson’s life.”
“I have had that happen with me with other celebrities in Hollywood. There’s a plethora of doctors in Hollywood, they’re drug peddlers, they’re drug pushers, they just happen to be having a medical license and I hope that this episode today, this tragic death of a great human being, will bring to light the huge problem we have in Hollywood with some of the medical establishment, the celebrity doctors, who not only initiate people into the drug experience, but then they perpetuate it so that people become dependent on them.” http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/26/michael.jackson/
Jackson’s ex-wife, Lisa Marie Presley, said in an online blog posted Friday that she was not surprised by Thursday’s news.
She said she divorced him in January 1996, after less than two years of marriage, because she was “in over my head in trying” to save Jackson “from the inevitable, which is what has just happened.”
Brian Oxman, a former attorney for the Jackson family who was with the family in the hospital emergency room on Thursday, also expressed concern about medications the pop star was taking.
“I talked to his family about it, I warned them — I said that Michael is overmedicating and that I did not want to see this kind of a case develop,” Oxman told CNN’s “American Morning” on Friday.
He referred to Anna Nicole Smith, the former model and reality TV show star who died of an overdose in 2007.
“I said, ‘If that’s what’s going to happen to Michael, it’s all going to break our hearts.’ And my worst fears are here.”
Ex-producer slams Michael Jackson’s ‘criminal’ doctors
PARIS – Michael Jackson’s former producer and friend Tarak Ben Ammar on Friday denounced the late pop icon’s doctors as “criminals” and “charlatans” who had taken advantage of his hypochondria.
Another source added: “Michael was convinced that if he didn’t perform in London he would die.
“He would say, ‘They will kill me’, but no one ever really understood who he was talking about. He seemed paranoid.”
His drug dependency was out of control as the singer once dubbed The Greatest Showman on Earth fell victim to a dark dread he had never experienced – stage fright.
Apart from Demerol, he was taking Xanax, Zoloft, Paxil for anxiety and Prilosec.
The singer’s friend, Tarak Ben Ammar, said Michael was a hypochondriac and his biggest problem were various quacks who ‘treated’ him with necessary and unnecessary drugs.
Federal Agents involved at this point indicates it is now a criminal investigation. Jackson was healthy; but a hypochondriac and plagued by claims of child molestation which caused him mental anguish and no doubt contributed to his taking drugs. Doctors, and those close to him that enabled him in his drug addicitions and dependancy, as well as himself are responsible for his early demise. Jackson did not have any secret disease. With Feds now joining the investigation, it suggests they already have a clear cause of death and are investigating the who part, where these drugs came from.
‘Michael Jackson’s healthy body surprises investigators’
WASHINGTON – Investigators conducting autopsy on Michael Jackson’s body were surprised at how healthy the King of Pop was, a source has claimed.
Michael Jackson camp denies health problems
Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:53am EST
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – A spokesman for Michael Jackson released a statement on Monday denying as a “total fabrication” a report claiming that the former King of Pop needs a lung transplant due to a rare respiratory disease.
The statement, attributed to Jackson’s “official and sole spokesperson, Dr. Tohme Tohme” and issued by Los Angeles firm Scoop Marketing, cites an interview with writer Ian Halperin in British newspaper the Sunday Express in which Halperin said Jackson was suffering from Alpha 1-antitrypsin deficiency.
Halperin, who is at work on an unauthorized biography of the singer, also claims Jackson can barely speak, suffers from emphysema and internal bleeding, and has lost 95 percent of the vision in his left eye.
“Concerning this author’s allegations, we would hope in the future that legitimate media will not continue to be exploited by such an obvious attempt to promote this unauthorized ‘biography,’” said the statement attributed to Tohme.
“The writer’s wild allegations concerning Mr. Jackson’s health are a total fabrication,” the statement said. “Mr. Jackson is in fine health and finalizing negotiations with a major entertainment company and television network for both a world tour and a series of specials and appearances.”
Michael Jackson was made to take a 50-point health MOT to show he is fit enough for his sensational comeback.
The Thriller star, 50 – dogged by rumours of ill health – got the all-clear from docs for his £50million concerts at the O2 arena, East London, in June.
Jittery insurers ordered the tests over fears they’d be left out of pocket if his 10 gigs were scrapped.
A source said: “Every physical test under the sun was done to ensure all bases were covered.
An insider said: “The bosses were sweating he wouldn’t accept but he finally put pen to paper.”
In recent months, Lee said, Jackson waved away her warnings about it.
“I had an IV and when it hit my vein, I was sleeping. That’s what I want,” Lee said Jackson told her.
“I said, ‘Michael, the only problem with you taking this medication’ — and I had a chill in my body and tears in my eyes three months ago — ‘the only problem is you’re going to take it and you’re not going to wake up,” she recalled.
According to Lee, Jackson said it had been given to him before but he didn’t want to discuss the circumstances or identify the doctor involved.
Comedian Dick Gregory, who knows Lee and her work, said he believes Jackson’s insomnia had its roots in the pop star’s 2005 trial on child molestation charges.
Jackson obviously was healthy enough to withstand the level of medical scrutiny needed to insure him for the upcoming high-stakes London concerts, Gregory said. “That you don’t trick,” he said of the exams.
Feds join probe of Jackson’s drug use
By ASSOCIATED PRESS | Thursday, July 2, 2009
LOS ANGELES (AP) — The investigation into Michael Jackson’s death deepened late Wednesday with word that federal authorities will step in to help local police take a look at Jackson’s doctors and his medications.
The federal agency can provide resources and experience in investigating drug abuse, illicit drug manufacturers known as “pill mills” and substances local police may not be familiar with, the official said.
Ian, I am sorry you bought into Michael Jackson’s hypochondria, but the truth of this is: his drug problems and his torment over the child moletation claims which most likely led him to take all the drugs he took will be what took his life. There are no mystery diseases; the Feds are brought in like this when they have something solid out of those autopsy reports that suggest, good health, and that his death was not only drug related, but that it is a very serious matter of drug abuse and addicitions. Charges will be forthcoming. I would imagine the Feds and police are trying to crack down on the circle of docs, and friends who are tied to this, where the drugs were coming from, who is all involved; how long they have been involved for. They will be following up on all leads, computer info. Anyone who ever knew him, who might have given him drugs, was connected to him in this way, or can shed light about his drugs abuse will be looked at.
Jackson had to take a vigorous health test prior to going on tour, which he passed. No one was going to support or fund a concert with him in this, amid rumors of all kinds, unless he took all types of testing, and those tests you can’t fool. Nor can you fool autopsy results, not to mention family claims, doctors claims and lawyers claims, all pointing now to serious drug abuse, and Michael being a hypochondriac.
Ian the truth needs to come out about Michael’s drug abuse, the doctors who enabled him, in order for this kind of abuse to end. By focusing on Michael’s fabrications, and distorted thinking about his health and what he may have told you, the truth and facts need to come out, which I suspect are already known by the authorities, which is why the Feds are now getting involved.
By ignoring this and suggesting he had some mystery disease, or believe his hypochondria, you make excuses for his drug habit, take responsibilty away from the docs who have been giving him and other stars like him drugs like this that clearly ended his life, and this sort of abuse will only continue and more people who have money are likely to end up the same way. It’s time to look at the truth; what really happened. I suspect Michael Jackson was into denial for a long time, he couldn’t face what was going on and resorted to drugs to deal with his painful memories. He once wrought his feelings down in song, which was a therapy for him, but the past while, he had not even been able to do that, he seemed more reclusive. He needed people to help him emotionally, get him off the drugs, but too many docs would feed him that to keep him coming back and being dependent. In other words, they did not want him to get healthy as he was their meal ticket.
already pre ordered your book ian on amazon. you were so right about the king of pop. you totally called it. you have my complete trust and respect as an honourable jounalist. keep doing what you do best!
while Katie films her movie in Melbourne, Tommy Boy is trying to “convert” (so says the OSA spin people) Aussie billionaire to $cientology. Me thinks his plans will backfire. (I’ve also heard conflicting reports that Tom knows about Katie’s creeping off with her ex Chris Klein and is fine w/ it. Was there any relationship to begin with? *cough* Katie is his beard *cough*)
“Preorder now.” It’s official! This site is here only to market and sell Halperin’s books. Even Ian’s alter egos, SRRC and the Muslim Chick, have deserted this sinking ship like rats.
I thought it was here so Keane, me and other Brits could bitch about the weather. Who knew someone would use their own website to promote their own work? Colour me shocked.
TMZ reporting that Rowe claims, the kids are her bio’s …. she will submit DNA sample. Now, wouldn’t it be funny, if there was no IV mother involved whatsoever, despite what MJ was told, but that his doc and his nurse (Rowe) had a little thing going on in the back room, and the kids are their bio’s …… selling them (for lots of cash) to MJ as IV kids ? Just saying….. just an idea….. IMO
What Michael Jackson meant to me…Oh Wait, I already said that. Okay, wait here we go, What MJ meant to the world..oh..already discussed that too. Ummmmmm, okay, I don’t have anything else to add to this story…Next please…LOL
@Ms Agatha:
Dang Ms. Agatha – you have a devious mind indeed! You should be writing mystery novels! But – I like your theory and I think it is entirely possible!
@Ms Agatha:
and if she is willing to have a DNA test done to prove those kiddies are hers – then, I bet she will be very willing to sell them a second time to the Jackson family!
@ladybert62:
AHH Lady, you blow my cover… I AM writing mystery novels…(hence my name ) …lol…..
But, you are right….. anything is possible in this saga …. nothing surprises me anymore…. it was just reported by Fox news that MJ had a GIRLFRIEND …….. you cannot make that up…priceless…
Ha ha, so funny! Yes I think it’s a goddam outrage that Ian presumes to promote some things that people actually have to pay for on a site in which he gives out gossip for free. What kind of charlatanism is this? You mean to say that Ian is not actually a charity providing free gossip to the bored office workers and housewives of the western world? You mean to say he does this for a living and has a mortgage to pay and mouths to feed like all the rest of us? This is an outrage, an outrage I tell you, ladies and gentlemen we have been swindled! I hereby cancel my subscription to this here blog and am flouncing off to find another one where we can get lots of free info and don’t have to listen to the outrageous suggestions of the author that we may be interested in buying one of his books now and again. This is the biggest outrage in the history of outrages and I hereby am changing my name to Keane Cyber Queen Outraged Supreme in protest. I encourage all you other ladies to follow suit and maybe by the force of these name changes we will end these vile plugs for Ian’s written work when we surely are entitled to get everything in life for free! Join with me!
@Ms Agatha:
Wait a minute – you are telling me that gay Michael Jackson had a female girlfriend in England? Is that what you are saying! Or did he had a male girlfriend (I dont know what the correct terminology is)? Is she/he going to show up the Carnival called the Funeral next Tuesday in Staples Center in LA? Is Bad Daddy Joe going to sell tickets or is it a free-for-all? Do the taxpayers of LA (and California) really want to foot the bill for this Carnival-Funeral? Will this Michael the Great Madness never end? Why wont my headache go away – oops, one question too many and not relevant to this discussion!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Keane Cyber Queen Outraged Supreme (”KCBOS”)! You made me laugh again! And just to verify my British roots, in the historical novel that I am currently reading by Ariana Franklin set in 12th century Britain with the ever interesting Henry II and family running around, I want you to know that the big swearing slang in the book is – are you ready KCBOS – “gar dang it.” Yes, you read that right – it is obvious that my genes are indeedy from the Oxford/Cambridge area of England (am not sure where that is – is it near Trafford!) and they are all gar dang it swearing daily at those nasty lords and ladies! See, I am true to my British roots!
News update! Ms. Debbie has just announced to the world that her love as a mother is not to be denied – “I want my children” she says and that she will fight for custody. Yes indeedy, as so many on here predicted, let the custody fight for the money (oops, kids) begin!
@John:
I wouldn’t say he was in “fine condition” – the man was 5′10″ and weighed in at only 112 lbs at the time of his death. That is not a healthy weight for a man of his height and age. I mean, that’s only 2 lbs off what I weigh and I’m a girl who’s much shorter than him! He may not have had any specific physical diseases but he obviously suffered from anorexia which is known to put a terrible strain on one’s heart and many other stresses on the body. And then, of course, there is the fact that when a doctor gives you anesthesia, one of the main factors in deciding what dosage to give is based on one’s weight. It’s hard to believe that MJ (being that drug addicted) sat down and figured out what the appropriate amount would be in his case.
I have no doubt that drugs killed him. I see two possible scenarios. 1) he mixed too many of the wrong drugs together (ala Heath) and it was the specific combination that did him in, or 2) his tolerance level to drugs had risen high enough to equal to the fatality level – as seen in people such as Jean-Michel Basquiat, who was known as the man with the million dollar arm.
Slightly O/T here, but it really pisses me off for the people that do need heavy drugs. I’ve met people who have real physical problems that are extremely painful and as I was discussing with Ms Agatha, they go to the doctor and the doctor is completely leery of giving them something to help them because all the doctors get scared off when something like this happens. Meanwhile, little HW brats can go in, fit as a fiddle and score a prescription no problem. I know a bunch of people who are on Adderall that do not have ADHD or ADD but use it instead to stay skinny. Paris is on it and Lindsay’s on it too and a host of others – all they had to say was I think I have ADD and the docs prescribed it without evaluating them. Like I said at the beginning of the paragraph – I know this is slightly off topic but it just goes to show you how exempt people are in this town from every day rules. I used to be one of those people that had a veritable pharmacy in my house and it really is like going down the rabbit hole – so many people help you down the hole but when you realise what’s happening to you and try to get back up, not a single one of those people that helped you down is there to help you up.
@ladybert62:
Ladybert – are you being serious or are you joking? Did she really say such a thing? My God, no wonder he intentionally mentioned his will that he did not want her to get anything! After that interview she did earlier saying that she wasn’t interested in being a mother and just didn’t have that capacity and now she loves her babies. GROSS. Money, money, money – I hope the courts see right through her.
@harikari girl:
I agree with you – for us “regular joes” who have pain (and especially on a daily basis) trying to get my doctor to prescribe a pain killer for me (because he has heard of someone else getting addicted!), is impossible. Oh no, he says, he has to worry about being sued, he has to worry about my getting addicted (I do not have an addictive personality) – he refers me to the trash in the drug store which even now is being taken off the shelves because of the “abuse” by others. It makes me angry to no end (ask my husband how many times he has heard my curse the american medical system) – I have almost daily migraines, daily back pain, severe arthritis in hands and feet – but no, because someone else is getting “high” on these drugs, I cant get them. A real sore (pun intended) point with me! Alternative medicine is fine and I use as much of it as I can (chiropractic, homeopathic) but there are times when I need a dang pain pill! grrrrr
@harikari girl:
I just found the place where I read it – its called the LA News – there was an interview with her and she has sent her lawyer to LA and she is getting a restraining order against Bad Daddy Joe and she says she “wants her children.”
bb14. This is off topic. Has anyone seen any birthday photos released of the Brangie twins.? I’m beginning to think that if I hadn’t seen photos of them way back I would start to believe that they didn’t exist, but having seen them I can put that theory to rest.
I find it very strange that no photos at all have been released since way back. I’m beginning to think that something is a bit dodgy on the home front.
We haven’t heard anything on BP/AJ at all. I for one would like to know what is going on. Does anyone else feel the same way.
Sorry about the interuption rgarding MJ carry on
Just saw part of an interview some English ex bodyguard had with Sky News, broadcast on Fox news here…
the guy saying MJ had a girlfriend in England, his family was very well aware of her for quite some time…. they had their up and downs….. and so on….. unless this is some spin-control by Papa Joe…… these news seem totally wacko…
@ladybert62:
Yeah…. came on Fox news….. saw part of an interview with some ex-employee in England…… smell Papa Joe doing his own spinning…… if this is true ….. we are in for more news bombs….. besides, that Rowe claiming she is BIO MOTHER of the kids now ! She will proof with DNA !
Ask the same questions a thread or two ago……… who has seen them ?…… wouldn’t these ‘ reliable ‘ source know something ??? So, where are those sources, when you need them ???? Now is the time to come out and spill some beans….
Ha ha! Oxford is about an hour to an hour and a half west of London, and Cambridge is about an hour to an hour and a half north of London so you’re obviously a south-east chick! Maybe by saying “gull dang” you are channeling one of your former English lives! As for Trafford, well no, that’s Manchester (hence why the home of Manchester United Football Club – former home of David Beckham – is called Old Trafford and there is also a shopping centre called The Trafford Centre). That being said maybe there is a Trafford somewhere else in the UK that I am not aware of, highly possible!
Sounds like spin, I highly doubt old bigotted Papa Joe would like to admit to having a gay son. But then this is MJ we’re talking about, anything could be possible! If she was in England then I guess they wouldn’t be having a great deal of nookie, its not like he spent much time over here. Unless she was visiting him in his basement with his 3 kids and the nanny and all! Nah, don’t think so!
@ladybert62:
Hi ladybert62, I’m with you I’m getting tired of the MJ fiasco myself. I mean how much more can be said., this could go on for months
You made an excellent point and I’m all for it, lets get back to Brangie bashing as you put it and I couldn’t have put it better myself. That is indeed lots more fun.
Oh really, yes I could see Paris being on something like that. Adderall looks like the least of Lindsay’s problems though. Ian thinks all of Rachel Zoe’s current and former clients were/are on meth. I would have guessed coke but I don’t know much about meth – other than it destroys your looks and Fergie did it!
@harikari girl:
Harikari girl. When I say fine condition, he had no mystery disease that killed him. It was all drug related. As far as his weight; we don’t know he only weighed 112. IN fact, according to the coroner, he did not weigh only 112, those reports are false. Nor, after looking at him does he look like he only weighed 112 pounds. I suspect there will be a lot of exaggerations out there. What is true IMO, are the reports coming from his doctors, lawyers, claiming that he had a severe drug problem and that doctors freely gave him all sorts of drugs.
The assistant chief of the Los Angeles County coroner’s office today dismissed as inaccurate a British tabloid report that last week’s autopsy showed Michael Jackson had shrunk in weight to about 112 pounds and had lost his hair.
The report in The Sun said details about his condition were based on “leaked autopsy details.”
“The report that is being published did not come from our office,” said Assistant Chief Ed Winter of the Los Angeles County coroner’s office. “I don’t know where that information came from, or who that information came from. It is not accurate. Some of it is totally false.”
The singer’s body was released Friday evening to the family, which hired a pathologist who conducted a private autopsy on Saturday, Winter said.
“The (Sun) report did not come as a result of our autopsy, or of the private autopsy,” Winter said.
harikari girl said on July 2nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
@John:
I wouldn’t say he was in “fine condition” – the man was 5′10″ and weighed in at only 112 lbs at the time of his death. That is not a healthy weight for a man of his height and age. I mean, that’s only 2 lbs off what I weigh and I’m a girl who’s much shorter than him! He may not have had any specific physical diseases but he obviously suffered from anorexia which is known to put a terrible strain on one’s heart and many other stresses on the body. And then, of course, there is the fact that when a doctor gives you anesthesia, one of the main factors in deciding what dosage to give is based on one’s weight. It’s hard to believe that MJ (being that drug addicted) sat down and figured out what the appropriate amount would be in his case.
Jackson imo was healthy, a lot healthier than most believe or what we have been told. It was the drugs.
Footage of Michael Jackson performing some of his most famous hits for the final time has been released.
The King of Pop looked well and his voice sounded strong as he danced around the stage in typical fashion during rehearsals at the Staples Centre, in Los Angeles.
The star was preparing for his 50-night residency at London’s O2 arena, set to begin later this month before Jackson’s death on June 25 from a suspected cardiac arrest.
Jackson’s friend, Uri Geller, said the footage raised a “big question” about what prompted the star’s dramatic demise.
“The question is: What happened from that point to the day that he died?” said Geller. “In the photographs I’ve seen, he looked in shape, he was smiling, he was happy. What happened? That’s the big question.”
Kevin Mazur, 48, the photographer who captured some of Jackson’s final moments on camera at the rehearsals, said the star appeared to be back to his best and had a “incredible energy”.
Mr Mazur, co-founder of WireImage, said: “When he hit that stage, everyone was just mesmerised.”
The photographer said Jackson was happy and joking with the dancers as he rehearsed.
Mr Mazur told the newspaper Jackson performed his set for 90 minutes until nearly midnight on June 23.
“He was totally there – 100% there in fact,” said Mr Mazur. “You would never suspect this would have ever happened – especially after his performance on stage.”
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Maybe he is talking of the nanny who raised the kids….she lived with them in Ireland and England…. besides Bahrain and other places for years …. the quasi mother who was ‘ like’ his wife and mother to the kids
Federal Drug Department to Hunt Down Jackson Doctors
WENN.com
Cops investigating Michael Jackson’s death have called in the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) in a desperate bid to track down the tragic star’s former doctors.
Los Angeles police are currently trying to get to the bottom of the star’s demise, amid swirling reports that Jackson’s fatal cardiac arrest last week was due to a prolonged addiction to prescription drugs.
According to TMZ.com, the singer’s need for pills was so intense that he used a string of aliases in order to con physicians into signing medication over to him.
The Web site adds that Jackson used the names of his bodyguards and other acquaintances to get a litany of prescriptions.
And due to the huge media and public interest in the underlying cause of the “”Thriller”" star’s death, police officials investigating his passing have brought in the DEA to help with the case.
The federal agency will reportedly interview Jackson’s doctors to try to discover how he was able to get hold of drugs including Demerol — an anesthetic similar to morphine.
A spokesperson for the DEA says, “”We routinely offer assistance to any agency regarding the Federal Controlled Substance Act. However, at this time we have nothing further to comment about the death of Michael Jackson.”"
Have you seen a pic of her? If you had I think you’d probably think that unlikely! Mind you, look at the state of Debbie Rowe, but I guess she was just the oven/oven and possible egg donor! I reckon the Brit girlfriend is a load of BS. I think MJ liked the boys.
I agree with you …. here is some BP news of today: His vintage bike broke down today – near Franklin Village LA – he had to leave bike behind and bum a ride off paparazzi – pics and all :
Jackon’s continuous attempts of covering up his face, changing his face by way of plastic surgery, making himself thinner through diet and meds, were part of his insecurity. He tried to please and he couldn’t accept himself for who he was, and because he couldn’t accept himself, no one else could accept him either. He changed his face so much that it became so distorted.
In the end, he died of the drugs. Instead of helping him, docs enabled him and gave him all sorts of drugs that people just don’t get. I would imagine the police, Feds are trying to find out who gave him what exactly. When that information emerges, there will be charges IMO.
They have to be taking the piss right? Precising her name with “Saint” every time? That has to be a joke doesn’t it? I mean that site isn’t on your Perez level, the writers are supposed to have a modicum of sense. How on earth has she managed this? The negative writer is given the boot and now they are writing the most sycophantic pieces the world has ever seen. So sycophantic they sound like they’re taking the piss? I reckon she has something on them in a legal way, those statements of Daryl’s were pretty strong and categorical, no room for doubt with him. I wonder whether he got caught out on one aspect of it and she had him by the balls. How else could she wield this kind of power? Unless it was a major pay-off, who knows.
I had hoped we would have heard from Daryl by now …. but he went into exile it seems…. maybe Ian can share some light on this… one day. This guy Aaron’s writing is so over the top that it qualifies for a SNL stunt… His bio shows, he has been ‘ recently worked in the film industry ‘……. that’s the key, she owns him
@Gitano:
Yes, you’re right of course. How dare Ian announce his book on HIS very OWN site????? He should just swallow all the time and energy he invested in this project and flush it down the toilet –
But wait a minute… I just remembered… there’s something called freedom of speech… how confusing, NOT! He’s allowed you the freedom to write your opinion of him on his website, perhaps you should consider allowing him the same courtesy to announce his opinion as well. Last time I checked it didn’t this site was called IanUndercover, NOT GitanoUndercover…
@Ms Agatha:
You would think with all his mega bucks he could afford a bike that wasnt vintage! He looks awful in those pictures! Yea, back to bashing brangie – where is the evil one if hapless is in Louisiana?
@ladybert62:
haha… well, he is a design freak… that bike is a collector’s item… Franklin Village in Los Angeles …. but where is the evil none ? …… what about Cambodia ? She got house there … surrounded by land mines … I am not making this up….. safe from paparazzi … Since the has vanished from the earth…..that’s my best bet..,
AJ ’s house in Cambodia sits on thirty-nine hectares in northwest Cambodia …and she expanded her property
by 230 square miles …..buying the adherent wildlife park….. NOW…. that’s some real estate to track anybody down ….. particular if you talk jungle here
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Yes, Lindsay has been on a lot of stuff, I mean alot! When she was doing that movie with the VW bug over 50 percent of her takes were unusable. I watched the dailies with her and there she is slurring her words, her eyes half closed. And she’d be like “oh, I was suffering from exhaustion, the schedule’s just really started to get to me”. Sad thing is, Linds isn’t a bad girl, but Dina and her dad have screwed her over so completely – from her point of view from at least 8 yrs old and on. But she gets so conflicted when it comes to her mom – it’s hard for her to see Dina as one of the people that’s exploited her.
As for Rachel, she’s such an egomaniac – and yeah, she does ‘encourage’ girls to maintain a size O. But it isn’t street meth. It’s Adderall and also Vyvanse which is a prescription drug with an amphetamine base. But it’s considered to be a much smoother ride than adderall and just as effective.
Michael Jackson’s bodyguard said yesterday that MJ was having a secret girlfriend he saw regularly. In my opinion, it must be a travestite or a cover up of something… I know in your book, you say he had boyfriends, so what do you think about what the bodyguard said ?
Ladybert, that really does suck that you have all those symptoms and your doctor will not give you anything whatsoever. Could you go to another doctor maybe? I get massive headaches that sometimes last for 2-3 days and they give me painkillers for them. And I’m an addictive personality so I have to be really careful to monitor myself and not misuse them. I just can’t believe that you have all those different things going on and nobody’s willing to help you. That’s what I mean about the whole celebrity drug culture – if it comes out on the news that there’s been misuse, the doctors seem to immediately stop prescribing to the people that need it the most. A few years ago, I was actually completely incapacitated for a whole summer from the headaches, they were just getting worse and worse. My internist sent me to specialists, and of course they said I needed an MRI. When I asked them what they thought it could be, they said pituitary cancer. I went home and googled it and then that just scared the shit out of me. So I went to another specialist and they said I needed an MRI and when I asked them what they were leaning towards, they said it was too soon to tell but they had concerns that it may be pituitary cancer. So needless to say, I was a nervous wreck going in for the MRI and I was an even worse wreck while waiting for the results. End story, my doctor calls me and says “good news, it’s not pituitary cancer” and although I was really relieved, I was still like “well what do we do now”? This was on a Friday. He said “well, we’ll put you on pain management (had never even heard that phrase before). So I asked him about it and he said for me to come in on Monday and that he was going to start me on a treatment of Oxycontin. That night, I’m watching the local news and they had a big expose on Oxycontin and how it was being misused, that people were getting hooked on it and also that people were getting prescriptions and selling the pills on the street for big money. I looked at my boyfriend and said “how much do you want to bet that on Monday the doctor will no longer even mention Oxycontin as a possibility and instead put me on something else?” Sure enough, Monday came around and I went in for our meeting, and he never mentioned Oxycontin and did indeed put me on something else instead. After hearing your story, I feel lucky that he did at least prescribe something to dull the pain, but your story just backs up what I’ve observed happen to people who live out here, who are not a part of Hollywood, who have real physical maladies and they don’t get the help. I know one lady who has that Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, it’s so severe that she got a settlement from the insurance company and they paid for literally everything in her life to be ergonomic – her chairs, her desk, even her car is decked out, her computer has a special program so she can speak and it types what she says. She cannot stand for too long, she cannot sit for too long, her life has totally changed. And guess what? The doctors won’t give her any painkillers even though it was their reports on the severity of her condition that got the insurance to pay out. The injustice of all this is that these medications were made for people who have severe pain, thus the name “pain killers” and yet the doctors are too scared or too indifferent to prescribe them to the very people they were made for and who need them so very badly.
Sorry if i ranted a bit, but the medical system in America just sucks – it’s like 37 down on the list of countries in medical care. We behind Colombia, Costa Rica and Morocco – it’s just absurd.
P.S. – that bike of Brad’s is not vintage – it’s actually a custom job that he paid big bucks for. yet another sign of his sound judgement and high intelligence.
Harikari: I don’t know, if you read my response to you on the other thread, why it is, that the celeb gets the medication literally forced on them ….while regular Joe survives on robitussin and caster oil…
More on AJ ……here is excellent article about celebrity child-pets …as a way of distinguishing themselves for the rest of society, they have themselves a new kind of pet – the third world child….. excellent article about celebs adopting ….. lashing out at AJ
@Ms Agatha:can’t remember where I read it, but there is a unique program in Tanzania that takes infants and preschoolers who’ve lost their mothers places them in orphanages (it’s easier to for birth to 5 years to have them together to successfully get them to age 5) and brings along an extended family member, older sister, aunt to look after the child so they can be integrated back into the village after age 5 – and the older girls get an opportunity to get a bit of education.
@harikari girl:
I believe, he has quite an array of bikes…… and he keeps braking down with each one of them….. it can’t be all the bikes fault….. he must be one lousy biker… clueless
@Ms Agatha:Have you seen the latest on the health plan, if you don’t buy into it, you’ll be fined. How are they going to determine who’s poor and eligible for a subsidy and who’s not? The poverty level is a joke because of the great disparity in wages and housing costs in this country.
@Different Guest:
I think, I can remember having read about it….. what a great way to help a child find family again…. will try to find article… thanks !
@Different Guest:
I am witnessing a case right now, where somebody with some means, had to declare bankruptcy after spending every dime on doctor bills ….. he cannot afford to stop working and drags himself to work while doing chemo !!! …. now on the verge of breaking down completely… finally asking for help for short term and long term disability…he has low income job now….. how he is supposed to survive with the forthcoming income cuts when on short/long term disability only God knows…. something needs to be done, and it doesn’t look as if the new health care plan will work either …. as you said : How are they going to determine who’s poor and eligible for a subsidy and who’s not?
@Different Guest:
… hope there is a law against it … have no clue if there is….. but there needs to be one…. God forbid, that’s the last thing I want to see ……. he can take AJ every day with him on the bike ! lol
Damm so Ian was wrong again: Carradine was not murdered just becasuse his friend dreamed it! Bah!
David Carradine Died of Accidental Asphyxiation
By Brian Orloff
Originally posted Thursday July 02, 2009 03:40 PM EDT
David Carradine
Photo by: Tsuni / GammaUSA
More details about David Carradine’s death are coming to light.
The actor died from accidental asphyxiation, a medical examiner who performed a private autopsy on the actor has concluded. “The cause of death was asphyxiation, an inability to breathe, now why that happened is still what we’re working on,” Dr. Michael Baden, who was hired by the late actor’s family, told Reuters.
The ties that bound Carradine, who was found hanging in the closet of his Bangkok hotel on June 4, helped Baden rule out suicide as well. “He didn’t die of natural causes, and he didn’t die of suicidal causes from the nature of the ligatures around the body, so that leaves some kind of accidental death,” he said.
Baden also clarified that Carradine’s hands were tied above his head and not behind his back, as some had previously reported. His report also did not rule out the possibility that the former Kung Fu star died of auto erotic asphyxiation, though he did not say that was the cause of death, either.
Results from an earlier autopsy performed on Carradine after his death at age 72 were unclear, though on June 11, Baden did publicly state the actor’s death was not suicide.
!. The issue about Michael Jackson is a serious one. It affects doctors taking advantage of those with money, famous people. It is manslaughter, it is corruption at very high levels and it won’t take long before there is a trickle down affect possibly to people some of you know. Because these people are famous; this is a time where something can be done about it if we all speak up against it. Strike while the iron is hot.
2. I could care less about AJ, Brange, Brad Pitt. By contiuing discussions about them on this thread it is an attempt to take over and control the forum, manipulate the website to what a few want to discuss in an attempt to push others away who do wish to discuss the topic at hand. How would anyone who is doing it feel if I or many others who post here, go into the Brange, AJ, Brad Pitt threads and start talking Michael Jackson, or other topics? I’m certain it can be arranged.
3. So a few of you are tired of talking about the death of MJ; well for months, the majority of discussion here was AJ, and after a while that got tremendously stale. Especially since there was no story. Nothing happened to any of them; there is nothing life threatening, most of what was discussed was just rumour, one way or another and the status quo remains the same. AJ and Brad are still together. Talking about it doesn’t change that.
4. Please keep the discussions to the topics at hand; do not purposely HIJACK a thread to keep, manipulate or control things to your own personal discussions. If there was a mod on this board, he or she would control that or end that. It makes it difficult for anyone else who comes here to discuss any issues or topics at hand.
John, I am curious, how does copying and pasting and posting endlessly on a blog about MJ and drugs change anything, how is that striking while the iron is hot? It is not as though we are sending out messages to congress, we are merely chatting among friends. I am a little confused by that comment. It is important yes, but we are not changing anything here.
While you may not care about AJ,BP,JA or the likes, I would guess that about 70 percent of the posters here do. Posting on these other subjects are just passing the time until IAN gets back to the Brange, that and friendships have developed within the group, so if he put a weather topic up right now, that would be fine. I don’t believe anyone is trying to take over the Michael Jackson thread. If you are familiar with the blog you will notice that that the topics have often ventured off to other celebrities, Mooki, for example is always very nice in updating us , regardless of the topic at hand on who and what is going on. That is fine, no one has ever had a problem in the past with that as far as I can remember, if they have, I suppose they have left. As far as how would I like it, it would not bother me if you want to discuss MJ, and others Brange, I just reply to what I am interested in, the same way I skip over a troll. It does not interupt my flow of concentration so I am not really understanding why this would upset you, at least it is peaceful. If you ask eveyone to go to another thread, and they do, you may not have as many as you would like to discuss MJ with. Isn’t it better to be able to have everyone to discuss any of them with?
No, not a few of us, I would say the majority, and no , I would disagree, they are not together, they are not living as a couple, they are simply playing it out for the public until the time is right to make the split. Brad and Angelina are a thing of the past. The next chapter begins, which should provide as much gossip fodder as the last.
Hijacking is a strong word and a bit insulting. I have not been around , (thank you ladies for your well wishes for mom, she is better, not out, but better) but from what I am reading here it hardly would qualify as that. I don’t think anyone here is intentionally trying to do that, they are just following their natual interests. You are a wonderful poster John, and have made some very thoughtful points, and I do agree it is a serious subject, but for some of us , serious is not why we come here. I hope you will not be offended, but I like the way the blog is , mish mash any way we mix it.
Can you please post about something other than Michael Jackson so I can read you blogs again? Seriously enough about MJ, Most people just really don’t give a crap, I don’t!
Please, neww post about anything other than MJ please please please!
keane cyber queen supremesaid on July 3rd, 2009 at 7:44 am
Hey Kate glad to hear your mom is a bit better. I’m at wimbledon waiting for boring old tennis drone Federer to hurry up & win his match in straight sets so I can watch tennis genius Andy Murray take it to the bank! Lol I am also sipping a pint or 3. Hope you’re all having a good day x
@Kate:
Ditto. The cutting and pasting of the VERY long MJ info is, at this point pretty repetitive. I agree mosy of the posters here have got to know one another and we have similar interests (as far as gossip goes that is). My opinion is BP and AJ are not together, they are lying low and eventually it will be very apparent that they are no longer together.
@John:
Is your name Ian ? I didn’t think so. Make your own blog. I do not think Ian minds the diversity in conversation at all, and we enjoy it. Buh bye.
Interesting note – I read, in the middle of the MJ frenzy, that a lady who was on a tour bus that just happened to be in site of MJ’s location when he was rushed to the hospital. She went on to discuss the chaos around the place. To make a long story short, she was amazed that on the same day, she, by chance, was entering a building and ran into AJ and BP. They were together for something recently.
@harikari girl:
And we thought she was pretty much okay then, still with Wilmer, seemed normal. It was Georgia Rule that really got her in trouble, all her addictions seemed to surface in the press, letters from the Producer to straighten up etc. I think her career is pretty much over, and its too bad cos she really was a good actress and had a great future in front of her IMO.
I want to read about Michael Jackson’s gay liasons. I know he was gay but was scaried to live his life. I hope this book opens the door for his past boyfriends to come forward so the record is set.
@Ms Agatha:
I like that phras ‘child-pets” as that is exactly how I think of those kids that strange Madonna and evil Ms. Jolie have bought – child-pets in designer colors – sickening.
@harikari girl:
HI HariKari Girl – thanks for the sympathy! The problem with changing doctors is that as soon as you walk in and say I want a pain killer because former doctor wouldnt give me one – then you are doctor shopping and still wont get it! Like is difficult sometimes – I do have a prescription for the arthritis which is taken daily (since I work 60 hour weeks at the keyboard most of the time, it is not that effective) and I have a prescription for the migraines which I only take when they last more than 3 days and then it only occasionally works. Oh well, such is life.
@ladybert62:
Thanks Lady, have you considered Topamax for migraines, it is a preventative, not an abortive type drug you take once you already have it. Works very well too.
@unknownxcat:
I saw that, I believe that as much as I do that Jolie can not bear the thought of living without Pitt. lol If they were there it was not for a rendezvous. jmo
@Kate:
In my next visit with Dr. Dracula (that is the name I give him as he always wants my blood every 3 months) I will ask him about it. Thanks for the reference!
So according to the latest news (is there anything else going on in the world except MJ death-excess) – the drug Diprivan that is used in hospitals was indeedy found in MJ’s home and will probably be found in his body when the toxicology tests came back. So John, will there be manslaughter charges against someone! And if so, who? Ok well the site is pretty quite and all my chores are done (we have the day off of work for 4th of july holiday) so back to the 12th century for me!
Well, there is other news? Sarah Palin is resigning as the Governor of Alaska! What is up with that? Togi were are you? I love bashing Ms. Palin almost as much as the Brangie! I really want to know the gossip behind this news! What do you know Ian?
keane cyber queen supremesaid on July 3rd, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Boo your guy Andy Roddick beat our guy Andy Murray boo! He’s nice though & cried after he won bless him so I’m now rooting for him to take the title! Hope all are well x
@keane cyber queen supreme:
AH Andy R beat Andy M and then Andy R Cried in joy? That is sweet. I know as much about tennis as I do about football so I will root for whomever you want to win Keane! Is it still so hot over there? Come to SF where it is nice and foggy – a lovely 60 degrees – would be perfect if it was raining but I cant have everything at all once – ha ha –
@Kate:
bb14 WELL SAID KATE I for one are sick of hearing about the ins and outs of MJ. Ok, he was a great entaintertainer and I am sorry that he has passed on but enough is enough.
Who the hell is this guy to come on here and tell us who we can and can’t talk about. I to believe that the Brange is over and that they are lying quiet to fool the public they are actors and they act well.
@unknownxcat:
bb14. I posted that same info a couple threads ago. The 2 women were from Australia (my home) they were passing MJ’s home on a tour bus when they witnessed the ambulance and fire trucks, They were then told that MJ was dead. Later at their Hotel Roosevelt they saw BP and AJ come out of a door.
hi all nice to see most of you back again and having such fun discussions. as for mj it is sad that he passed away at such a young age and i feel he had a sad and lonely life and to crown it all i think he had a mind of a child, like peter pan and just never grew up. may he rest in peace and lets respect him by not discussing him as only god will judge the dead so now back to the living two most well known morons. i totally agree with the child pets article and that these oxy morons that think by rescueing one kid makes them look good what a laugh they could help lots of kids with the money they now spend on one child if they set up a trust at the orphanage and let the kids growup in their own culture.
but like all europeans they have to take the poor african or asian kids home because their ark does not have alike pet in it, they will now have to aduct or adopt another one of like to have pairs. will the world not wake up to the disserves they do these kids and just let them have a normal life in their own countries and just help extended families to support these kids at home. sorry for the rant but as a african i cannot abide these dogooders they remind me of the priests that went to foreign lands and forced the people to live life the way they saw it because they thought the culture of others was primative. as for the brand i wish them together so that nobody else has to live with these no brainers and suffer their ego driven lives.
i heard that on a video the paps asked peewee if he could not just say thanks for the lift and his answer was, ( YOU SHOULD THANK ME FOR THE INTERVIEW) WHAT A DICKLESS PRICK HE IS . i hope all this jen wants him back shit is just that as much as i like her i hope she meets a proper man and does not give this manny another chance, jolie has her leftovers so let her keep him. jmo
@unknownxcat:
bb14. Here is the link you were looking for. It was featured in one of our Australian papers.Jackson’s death
By James Campbell
Herald Sun
June 29, 2009 07:44am
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+ – TWO Australian women on a bus tour of Hollywood stars’ houses have told of the chaotic scenes as they accidentally witnessed the King of Pop’s final exit.
Helen Battaglia of Alfred Cove and her friend, Sally Wilson of Melbourne, were on a Starlight bus tour when their driver decided to show them Michael Jackson’s mansion.
“We turned into where Michael Jackson’s been staying and as we came round the corner we saw a fire truck.”
“The driver said ‘Oh there’s a fire truck here, there’s a bit happening’.”
Ms Wilson said the bus pulled up in front of the gates of the mansion while photographers milled around the entrance.
“All of a sudden the gates open and out came the ambulance while paparazzi were all running and banging and trying to take photos in the back of the ambulance,” she said.
Ms Battaglia said the scene became chaotic as Jackson’s staff fought to block the paparazzi from grabbing final pictures of the dying star.
Ms Wilson said passengers on the bus had no idea what they were witnessing.
“It was all happening. We weren’t sure who was in the car at that stage,” she said.
“They were just yelling out and then the ambulance took off and two black SUVs came out of the driveway and followed it.”
The women said photographers dashed to follow the ambulance.
“The paparazzi were running towards our bus saying ‘go go go’,” Ms Battaglia said.
“They got in a car and took off driving erratically, chasing the ambulance,” she said.
“I couldn’t believe what was going on. It was surreal.”
As their bus then left the scene, the driver paused to speak to a local woman who sells maps to the stars’ houses.
“She was crying on the phone and the bus driver stopped and said “Mary, what’s going on? Is it him?” Ms Wilson said.
“She was wailing and crying but she couldn’t talk, she just said “Yes, it’s him. It’s Michael.”
The two women were feeling flat after their brush with celebrity death.
“Today we’re a bit sad about the whole thing,” Ms Wilson said.
The event lent a bizarre and tragic twist to a celebrity-filled day for the two Australians, who were staying at the historic Hotel Roosevelt, once home to Marilyn Monroe and Clark Cable.
Earlier that morning, Ms Wilson ran into Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie as they were leaving the hotel.
“That was about 10.30 in the morning. I was just walking down a corridor with no one else there and this door flicks open and there’s Brad and Angelina,” she said.
Ha ha! Yes I am rooting for Roddick now, he is a nice guy, the underdog and much easier on the eye than Federer (this is of utmost importance in the game of tennis, note it down for future reference: it is good to be good at tennis, it is even better to be good at tennis while lookng hot in your tennis whites, for sure). I also met a charming American guy on the bus on the way home by the name of Josh. I didn’t get a chance to ask him where he was from in particular but I can report back that he was a great ambassador for the states, friendly and outgoing. It’s a shame us Brits can’t be a bit more like you outgoing Americanos. Yep it is still in the 80’s even at night in the UK. Yesterday I went for a swim in one of London’s outdoor pools (lidos) to cool off, but upon my return was almost immediately sweltering again. BTW, just saw that on the news about Palin, that woman is a nut IMO. And LMAO at “what’s the buzz, tell me what’s a happening”!!!! Love, love, love that musical and find that line especially hilarious!
Who named you God here unknownxcat? If you don’t like the thread of Michael Jackson, why are you posting in it? The topic and thread are about Michael Jackson, there were threads on AJ and BP, post on those all you want. Bye yourself.
Kate, I am copying and pasting facts into threads about MJ. I was tired of people suggesting the cause of death for MJ was some mysterious and fabled disease. Denying what happened doesn’t resolve issues. Nor does ignoring them.
Michael Jackson wasn’t the first person to die this way and won’t be the last. People simply couldn’t get these types of drugs years ago. You’re talking very strong prescription drugs administered by doctors on stars, and who knows who else has access to these drugs. This type of thing will continue until people get angry enough and collectively take a stand on these issues and do something about it. I copied and pasted the articles, as I got tired of hearing all of the half baked reasons, excuses for Jackon’s demise.
He was into drugs; sure he had an abusive childhood, but many people have had and you don’t see them turning to drugs. There were and are a lot of enablers out there – especially if you have some money, power or you’re well known. I suspect some stars and fans read this blog or did at one time and if they’re reading I would strong suggest they open their eyes to what could happen to them if they follow or on a path like Jackson. That includes the likes of Angelina Jolie, or any other moron out there who thinks taking drugs is cool, a form of escape, an alternative that is acceptable or not dangerous.
Hijacking a thread; intentional or not, is switching topics. That has been done here. For those that don’t want to talk about Michael Jackson in a Michael Jackson thread, there are AJ threads that can be used. I feel what happened here is an important issue to be discussed. Doctors need to be held more accountable, law, society, need to go after them more full doing this. Any doctor abusing his licence, authority, trust by giving out drugs as was done with Elvis, Jackson, Anna Nicole should face very strong penalties, fines, and criminal charges. This should be a message to any other doctor out there who sees money or dollar signs when he sees a movie star; and could care less about the person just the money he’s able to make by getting people hooked on drugs.
Anyone else want to guess at what other star, famous person out there is also getting drugs like this from a doctor or doctors?
Anyway, you want to keep encouraging people coming to this board. Why, because after a while people drop off, and a board needs diversity in thought, personalities, beliefs, in order to thrive, and last. If it’s just one group of people who don’t welcome ideas from anyone else, and want to keep it exclusive to one way of thinking, very soon, the website becomes very one sided, which can be uninteresting and it discourages growth and different ideas. And then people start to wonder; who is running this forum?
I agree the drug Diprivan will be found in his body after they were found at his home and charges will be pending. Curious to see what doctor or doctors are responsible for this and what the authorities do this time. Even docs are pointing their fingers at one another, lawers also speaking up. Usually doctors don’t tend to speak out like this against their own. The drug situation must have been extremely bad in the Jackson case.
The Michael Jackson Propofol discovery at his residence has raised more questions about the King of Pop’s death. Known also by its brand name
Up to one million fans are expected to flock to Los Angeles’ Staples Center arena to attend a memorial service for Michael Jackson on Tuesday
Millions of Michael Jackson fans will have to enter an online lottery for just 17500 tickets to his memorial service next Tuesday, but only US residents
LOS ANGELES (KGO) — California Attorney General Jerry Brown says his office is helping the Los Angeles Police Department in its investigation of Jackson’s death.
His office keeps computer records of every prescription written in the state.
I believe it’s a matter of time before they announce Diprivan in Jackson’s lab results. But there’s more, POLICE ‘FIND METHADONE’ IN JACKSON’S HOME – along with many other meds, and at least 4 doctors and who knows who else are at the center of this investigation. When you think about 4 doctors giving someone like this meds as they do, it’s frightening. Police reportedly found 20 types of drugs in Michael Jackson’s Los Angeles mansion, including the heroin substitute methadone.
Methadone was reportedly found in Michael Jackson’s home.
The heroin substitute and 19 other types of drugs, including potentially lethal painkillers and anaesthetics, were recovered from the pop legend’s Los Angeles mansion by police investigating his death last week.
A source said: “The Jackson mansion was more like a drug store than someone’s home.”
Other drugs found included Fentanyl, a powerful painkiller given to terminal cancer patients and Oxycontin, another painkiller dubbed ‘Hillbilly Heroin’.
Some of the medications had Michael’s name on the label but many were labelled with other names, while some didn’t have any labels.
It is thought Michael used different aliases to obtain his prescriptions including the names of his bodyguards and a doctor’s manager.
The 50-year-old star died after a suspected cardiac arrest, amid claims it was caused by an accidental drug overdose.
Police are now said to be searching for those who helped supply Michael with the deadly cocktail of drugs and are considering manslaughter charges as the prescription medicines who reportedly obtained without regard for his safety.
The source added to Britain’s The Sun newspaper: “Powerful narcotic painkillers of all kinds were found. There was no reasonable excuse for them all being there. Using more than one of this type of drug can be potentially fatal. But there were 10 in house – it’s unbelievable.
“Police want to know whether other people named on the medicine labels really needed the drugs prescribed to them and will be speaking to all doctors involved. The drugs found remain at the very heart of the investigation into the death of Michael Jackson.”
At least four doctors, including Michael’s personal physician Dr. Conrad Murray, are also at the centre of the investigation.
However, according to Murray’s legal team he is not considered a suspect and is co-operating with the investigation.
He has denied injecting Michael with the painkiller Demerol before he died or prescribing the father-of-three with either Demerol or OxyContin.
And if and when that’s found it looks like criminal charges will be forthcoming
POLICE ‘FIND METHADONE’ IN JACKSON’S HOMEPolice reportedly found 20 types of drugs in Michael Jackson’s Los Angeles mansion, including the heroin substitute methadone.
Methadone was reportedly found in Michael Jackson’s home.
The heroin substitute and 19 other types of drugs, including potentially lethal painkillers and anaesthetics, were recovered from the pop legend’s Los Angeles mansion by police investigating his death last week.
A source said: “The Jackson mansion was more like a drug store than someone’s home.”
Other drugs found included Fentanyl, a powerful painkiller given to terminal cancer patients and Oxycontin, another painkiller dubbed ‘Hillbilly Heroin’.
Some of the medications had Michael’s name on the label but many were labelled with other names, while some didn’t have any labels.
It is thought Michael used different aliases to obtain his prescriptions including the names of his bodyguards and a doctor’s manager.
The 50-year-old star died after a suspected cardiac arrest, amid claims it was caused by an accidental drug overdose.
Police are now said to be searching for those who helped supply Michael with the deadly cocktail of drugs and are considering manslaughter charges as the prescription medicines who reportedly obtained without regard for his safety.
The source added to Britain’s The Sun newspaper: “Powerful narcotic painkillers of all kinds were found. There was no reasonable excuse for them all being there. Using more than one of this type of drug can be potentially fatal. But there were 10 in house – it’s unbelievable.
“Police want to know whether other people named on the medicine labels really needed the drugs prescribed to them and will be speaking to all doctors involved. The drugs found remain at the very heart of the investigation into the death of Michael Jackson.”
At least four doctors, including Michael’s personal physician Dr. Conrad Murray, are also at the centre of the investigation.
However, according to Murray’s legal team he is not considered a suspect and is co-operating with the investigation.
He has denied injecting Michael with the painkiller Demerol before he died or prescribing the father-of-three with either Demerol or OxyContin.
John that wasn’t what Kate meant. What she meant was that people posting here have always started conversations with people on different topics, some of which are only relevant to those two people. Everyone else just skips over them if they’re not interested in reading them. What Kate is saying is that someone can’t jump on board and try to set rules for other posters when they have all been commenting here for a much longer time. The only person who sets the rules is Ian. If you want to make a suggestion about the board it is best that you put it to him. No one poster has the authority to tell others what to do, especially those who have only recently started commenting regularly. A few of us have said we aren’t too keen on your lengthy cut and pasted articles and suggested you might like to just summarise them and post a link so we don’t have to scroll through them for ages. However whether or not you take up the suggestion is entirely up to you. As for us, we will keep doing what we’ve always done which is talk about anything that we fancy at any given time. Most blogs do work like this, there is no rule that we have to religiously stick to the topic at hand.
john yes it must have many subjects. but the man has died and to speculate what caused the death without positive proof is not right. when they have the proof and can say for sure what it is it is just speculation and disrespectful to the deceased person. if the doctors and management of mj did cause his demise without a doubt it is then time to discuss and accuse. i would like to hear about johnny depp and other stars but lets be honest these two at the moment are a hot topic and fun to disect as they are the world jokes to alot of people. and if people did discuss johnny and where nasty i would have a hissy fit. love that mans acting and looks. i dn’t mind reading the news and am glad you are reporting it but i will not comment further on this till given possitive proof of death. so lets all agree to disagree without bad fellings or attwcking the posters that have kept this blog alive ant entertaining . jmo
Just a comment on how hard it is to get needed meds theses days- my husband has an eye condition that requires him to get injections in his eyeball every 3 months. The day of the surgery, he understandably wants to take a calming med like Valium or Xanax to not freak out when the needle is coming. He asked his doctor for an rx for ONE PILL and he scoffed and said “I’m not that kind of doctor”, like he was a junkie or something. And yet all these stars get hundreds of xanax or whatever without question.
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Hi Keane – glad you like my musical reference – you should see me perform it! I dont listen to music much anymore since it has the irritating habit of never leaving my brain (I am still humming the times from Eddie & The Cruisers I and II which I watched weeks ago) – I think it has to do with getting old, I really do. This did not happen when I was young and now once I get a song in my head it is literally stuck there (reminds me of that Star Trek story where it happened to the psychic character and almost drove her crazy!).
@Court:
Hi Court – dang, that sounds AWFUL! My sweetie pie hubby cant even put eyedrops in his eye – to picture a needle coming at my eye is heartstopping to me – and your husband cant even get a relaxer drug! I think that constitutes malpractice! I agree with you, the doctors have become such little weenies about prescribing that it is disgusting to those of us who need the occasional pain pill or in your husband’s case a mild sedative for that horrible event!
bb14. This topic is way off the MJ. Can anyone help me who lives in Baton Rouge New Orleans. I am after the Fossil Accessory shop, which is situated at Bluebonnett Blvde. I will be staying at the Holiday Inn French Quarters and was wondering if this place was far from the Hotel.
Hope some-one can help me.
re Sarah Palin: my personal opinion is that she quit in order to go for the bucks! As governor, she could not legally rake in the cash for any appearances – as a private citizen, increased bank account here she comes! I predict that she will not only make mucho moola giving speeches to her true believers but that she will eventually end up with some kind of television show as a celebrity host talk show thingie! She already has a book deal in the making for a reported seven million, but now that she has tasted celebrity-status, she is hooked and wants the fame and the money! Being the governor of Alaska was just not important to her anymore! McCain created a monster and she is going to try and make her fortune by talking, talking, talking on radio, television and at public speeches! I wouldnt put it past her to show up at MJ’s funeral for the exposure she would get!
@benjaminbutton14:
HI BB14 – I have never been to lovely New Orleans but if you type in MapQuest and enter your location and your destination, I think it might tell you have to get from where you are to it! “Fossil Accessories” – sounds intriguing! Or just go to a local bar and ask around, I am sure someone there can help you out somehow! Good luck in your adventure.
To Tamara: Am reading Lady of Hay and LOVING IT! You are right – a good read and I am hooked! Site is slow again – so back to the 12th century. Talk to you all later.
@ladybert62:
Hahaha…. just got home… and already laughing hard…. I like your idea of Palin at MJ funeral….. didn’t even know until just now she retired…… well, everything is possible
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Thanks Keane, I am still baffled as to how us discussing MJ and the drugs he took on this blog is going to change anything. Is the FDA reading here? What am I missing, how can we here change what the stars take or what they are prescribed?
@Court:
You are in Wisconsin? If you dont mind, where? Hubby and I are from Milwaukee area and we just sold the house we had bought from my elderly aunt and uncle in Beloit at a loss! I also went to high school in Appleton – we are big Green Bay Packers fans – Boo to Bad Boy Bret Fahr!
@Kate:
Hi Kate: We cant change anything except what we change about ourselves! John is on some kind of mission and wants to include us in his proselytizing! I just ignore him (mostly) when he rants on about MJ!
@John:
As I pointed out to Keane, you did not answer my question, so I still have no idea what your point is. John this is not a roster of names that are going to be submitted for change, nor is this the discussion forum, which we do have. You are welcome to go into that forum and start a thread if you wish on this and I doubt seriously anyone is going to come and post a word about Brange. Blogs are a bit different from threads on a message board. jmo Now as far as me encouraging people to come here, lol, ah no, I am not a cheerleader for this site, I have not even posted much at all in the last month. That is up to IAN if he wants to market his blog, but I believe he has said, if you want to post fine, if you don’t fine. He does not care, I do not care.Not sure why you got the idea otherwise.
I realize you are very passionate about this, there just is not that many here that are. For one, I am not convinced, even with all your articles, (which I skim past because it takes too long to read them and I don’t care that much) that MJ did not have other illnesses. If I read something on MJ it is because it interest me, not because someone is trying to build a case. You don’t need to try and prove your point. To be honest, either way, he is dead, illness or drugs does not change that, and going on and on and on about it does not change that, nor does it change the fact he was given the drugs. If you are that passionate perhaps a message board is not the place for you to be spending your energy. Why don’t you write an article, you are a talented writer, try to get it published somewhere. You are truly wasting your breath here. No one here is likely to run out and hire an attorney to file a class action suit , or whatever it is you think needs to be done. This is a gossip board, for entertainment. You can discuss this all day and all night for months, and it will not change a thing. Now if you want to buy IAN’s book and we discuss that, I am up for that. Otherwise, I am not interested, don’t care who comes over to chat, if there is nothing to chat about of the same interest, doesn’t much matter does it?
I have that strange feeling , that this is a concentrated effort to dwell heavy and in length on the MJ issue, in order to surpress or push any gossip of AJ to last corner of back burner …. at all costs…. too professionally done for my taste…. but I maybe wrong of course
@Ms Agatha:So what is up on the Brange front? Guess AJ still has Brad’s balls as he’s missed the perfect opportunity to say we split up.
On the MJ front, I’m not conviced Debbie Rowe does want the kids or $. If she did she would have been in court instantly. I do think she has legitimate concerns about the kids be around Joe Jackson. JMO he sure sounds like he’s demented. And dementia usually intensifies behavior, if he was violent toward his own children, he could be violent towards his grandchildren.
I’ve been reading this website/blog for months and have been enjoying everyone’s discussion. You are the first person who has made me want to reply. Angeloonies have come on and AJ herself has come and posted fake items and IAN himself hasn’t come on to moderate this board, so why do you think that you can set the rules here? You can’t tell people what to do on this board because you are not the moderator. I agree with whoever suggested that you start your own website, if you don’t like it.
I think they are done. Kaput. BP is in L.A…. driving around on ailing bikes….had to be picked up by paparazzi whom he told he was on way to meeting and didn’t want to be filmed……. hmmmm …. AJ makes a point not to be found, playing mystery woman. I remember interview with Jenny Shimizu, quote : ‘ Sometimes we go to her property in Cambodia and explore the jungle.” …. well, would be my place of choice to hide… You are right about his balls : If he had any, he would have ask them back … guess, you can’t ask for what you don’t call your own…
As far as Joe J goes : Rowe has – pending – restraining order out against him…..he gives me the creeps… and he is old man now… can you imagine what he must have been like in his prime ?
@Kate:
Some people here say or claim that they don’t tell others what to do on a blog, forum, etc, you certainly have a lot to say about what you want to hear or in the way it is written on a MJ blog – forum or otherwise. And longevity here does not give you or anyone else here tenure, or any more credibilty than anyone else. People are equal. You and some others have been quite outspoken on this blog and for the most part, I never said anything. It is almost territorial; about what poster belongs here, almost like a dog fight. This is not necessary.
I am sorry you don’t want to talk about MJ and wish to focus more on AJ. There were a lot of blogs devoted to AJ of which I also contributed and no one said anything about the longer media posts I wrote as well as copied and pasted supporting articles to then, or any other posts I made because it seems it’s what you wanted to hear about. I don’t particularly like AJ, and voiced my concerns about her credibilty as a role model of which I feel she has a negative impact; no doubt why she attracted the likes of someone like Octomom. I don’t like that she only considers herself and didn’t care about her impact on JA or any other human being as well as globe trotting adopting children in every country of which she has people to take care of them for her, and claiming to be a humanitarian, with a history deep in drugs and seemingly insestuous relationship with her brother and jumping back and forth between the sexes. She doesn’t seem to have any strong ties as in true friendship with other women and you never see her with friends, so it would seem she is isolated. No doubt their relationship is a sham, but that said, this blog is about MJ; and I feel it takes in a lot more; about society, what is happening to it, in the same way AJ has been allowed to get away with the things she does by those who enable her, docs are overstepping their boundaries and are doing some dangerous things. If they hadn’t done the things they did to MJ, he wouldn’t have been such a mess on the outside; his face was a disgusting mess, and he most likely would have had to work out his problems without the crutch of drugs. I believe the mind is a powerful thing and what you think affects what happens to you.
MJ died of drugs; plain and simple and all the denials, excuses from some won’t change that. Many docs and lawyers and many close to MJ who tried to get him help over the years are saying he did not have any life threatening diseases at this point, that he was a hypochondriac who sought drugs for emotional pain and I tend to believe them – especially with the feds involved and a coroner who hasn’t pointed to disease. There are just simply too many people in MJ’s life who claim he was a hypochondriac, including doctors Sanjay Gupta, Deepak Chopra, lawyers, friends, colleagues. And, the articles that docs were surprised about how healthy he was at the time of death also reinforce that.
I’m sure there were many enablers in MJ’s life that tended to believe his hypochondria and excuses for pain, both emotional and physical just like they supported Anna Nicole and Elvis, and who knows how many others, but it doesn’t make it right and it doesn’t make them right. They need to wake up and take responsibilty; or they’ll allow it with someone else. It’s enabling and that’s how these people and others get into this situation, and how the doctors are able to abuse their roles, these people and situations. People need to become more aware and like you say, some people just don’t care and so this sort of thing will continue and there will be a trickle down effect.
The reason I have strong feelings on it, is because many of my close friends are doctors, who have expressed concerns about unscrupulous doctors who ruin it for them, and everyone else. They also claim they have not seen or heard as much of this before at this level and feel it’s very serious, since these are very serious drugs getting out there and you are hearing about this more and more. People trust their doctors and when a doctor betrays a trust; and there appears to be so many doctors out there who would risk their reputation, provide serious drugs like this, endanger someone’s lives for money, then this needs to be stopped. It’s just a matter of time before it gets into the schools and onto the streets.
Speaking of enablers; AJ is another person that has been enabled; gotten away with bad behavior because no one will say anything to her. She’s loaded with money and she seems to do as she pleases. For an opportunity to share in the money, her lifestyle, people stay close lipped, tell her what she wants to hear, much the same way as they did with Britney Spears. In the case of BS, her father intervened and saved her from what looked like a soon to be end similar to Anna Nicole or MJ.
Overall people need to care more, not just about drugs, but about integrity, rather than lying to people for the sake of power, money, notoriety, popularity or friendship. If they cared more, the tragic stories of MJ, Anna Nicole Smith, Elvis and the destructive lives of AJ, BS, would not take place. As long as friends, people in high places such as docs, lawyers, family members lie to keep the peace, status quo, money or power, then situations like this will continue. You are right, I have a passion for this subject: it matters to me. I have seen lives destroyed because of a lack of integrity; in the short term it can be the easy way out, long term it creates stress and negative and harmful results. You can skip over this post if you like; it’s long; whether it’s an article I have posted, or detailed information I have composed; it’s out there for those who choose to read or not read it.
@John:
John, I have no problem with you or anyone else discussing MJ or whatever they like, my response was to you suggesting that we not discuss the Brange, you are as entitiled to as anyone is to talk about what you like but you can not expect others to join in the discussion if they ate not interested, common sense. I rarely commentbon the Royal Family because I am not that familiar with them or Obama because I am tired of the glorification of Michelle. However there are plenty of other topics that are posted here I do. As far as MJ goes though, what else is there to say? He died because of drugs , he is dead, that is all. It is tragic and it is over .It is now in the hands of the authorities. I just don’t see what else there is to say on that aspect of it , but feel free to blog away to whoever,and as others said we will continue to discuss what interest us also, no harm done.
morning all. john i must say you have a very professional and intellegent way of writting and yes please keep giving us information as i agree that there are enablers that help the money people, and even if we blog about our fav two brain dead stars it is nice to just read about what is going on with mj. any way enjoy your day as i must be off to work and go pay the staff or else i am in their bad books.
My pov is that Palin is going to make as much money and garner as much pufflicity so she can stay on voters’ minds. She has been in the lower forty eight campaigning instead of doing the job that Alaskans elected her to do. It was a tiring process, flying to the lower forty eight and back to Alaska. Back and forth; back and forth!
Now she can concentrate on fund raising and keeping her name in the news; hob-nob with her more sophisticated peers and learn from them how to conduct herself for a run at the White House in 2012.
When she blasted David Letterman and demanded he apologize to women for his joke about her daughter, I thought she was sophisticated using that ploy. BUT, Sarah Palin had had an opportunity to demand an apology from two white male talk radio hosts, who made derisive, unmanly, perverted, hate-filled. sexual statements about Alaskan native women on the air. Not a peep from her that I know about! Instead the two transplanted (from San Diego) uglies got only a slap on the wrist; i.e. two weeks suspension.
Had these two made such statements about blacks and/or hispanics, the proverbial doo doo would have hit the fan! Indeed, a certain Mr. Iman got into deep trouble back east, when he made derogatory comments about young black women not that long ago!
Having said all that, I’m on Mr. Federer’s team! Love the guy! And I suspect, like many bloggers do, that Rafael Nadal is recovering from the effects of steroid abuse. And RF would have had a couple more titles under his belt if not for that. Note: Bloggers referred to RF’s sudden and amazing muscular growth. JMO!
keane cyber queen supremesaid on July 4th, 2009 at 5:24 am
@ Alif – re: nadal, yes that’s what I heard on a Brit gossip site anyway, in the form of a BI. Couldn’t have been anyone but him tho, it was which major player is rumoured to be out of wimbledon because of injuries caused by use of a steroid that is undetectable in drugs tests & is still in widespread use. No-one else is out except him. The widespread use part made me wonder how many of the other players use it too. If one uses it then I would imagine others would have to as well to compete. This American guy I was talking to yesterday though thought it was just because Nadal played with such intensity that he had burned himself out like Leyton Hewitt. I always think though that if u need to apply such intensity to your game then u probably don’t have the skills or physical requirements in the first place. Federer and even Murray and Roddick right now make it look so easy, with Nadal and Hewitt it looks like they are both about to spontaneously combust in every game!
@benjaminbutton14:
She is rumored to stay in her own house when in L.A…. the one she let’s her brother stay in, and nobody seems to know exactly where it is. We haven’t seen any pics of her or the kids though for quite some time. If she were in L.A., by now we should have gotten a glimpse of her . I remember interview wit Jenny (remember Ian said, AJ is with a woman at the moment) where Jenny said: If AJ wanted to be left alone, they (she and her) would go to Cambodia…. don’t forget the two had a 10 year long relationship !
Kate, I feel there is a lot to say about the MJ situation. Sure, he is dead and died of drugs, however, some of the problems are also present with other stars and famous people; it is the doctors here who are largely responsible, as well as the many people around him. Family, friends who enable are just as responsible as they are the ones who are there every day who could be honest together at the risk of loss of friendship, and could also intervene. Most people aren’t aware that much of psychiatry is a bit of a sham; drugs are a crutch and doctors are a business. While a good psychiatrist understands what is going on; and can treat someone, he or she is only as successful as the people around the “patient”, in other words; a dysfunctional family and friends including the docs helped make the person sick. I had friends who worshipped their spouses and or kids; did everything for them and turned them into monsters by not being able to set limits and being so needy they had to be around them all of the time and couldn’t say no to them or walk away from situation for a while when they knew they were doing wrong; they caved into them, were their doormat and didn’t have their own life or identity. It is the mentality of the person around these people that is dangerous for these people. Most people want yes people around them to boost their ego, tell them what they want to hear, do as they wish.
An example of this is JA. She is a very good person, and I suspect either Brad and or Jennifer was needy during the time of their relationship together; one idolized the other, was more vulnerable, setting themselves up for failure. If it was Jennifer who was needier at the time, it appears she has learned a valuable lesson and if the rumours are true I can see why Brad would now be drawn to her. If the needier was Brad, it appears he has not learned a lesson – or he has gotten himself in too deep with the children they have adopted: United Nations I call it, and he’s not certain how to get out – which is part of the neediness of not being able to set limits (ie, why Brange most likely have all of the kids they have and he’s looking after them all). There are similarities between AJ situaiton and the MJ situaiton; AJ likes to carve her body up with tattoos and she’s anorexic, MJ liked to disfigure his face, and he was also anorexic. Both have taken drugs, who knows if AJ gets drugs from various docs; the point is, she doesn’t get this way unless people are enabling her, be it a doctor, her partner in a relationship – male or female who ever that is for AJ at the time, family, friends. Her isolation from friends doesn’t help her either.
As far as Michelle Obama, she is a good role model. She doesn’t worry about being liked; she dresses to suit herself, but identifies with the rich and poor alike as well as those in between. She’s not afraid to be outspoken, and she will help black women set more limits and boundaries with their partners, which is currently a problem in society. Black males leave their spouses, children, many without child support. both these men and their spouses have low self esteem and needy spouses who are trying to be perfect and good and who do everything for them, afraid to set limits for fear of loss. Perhaps they feel they have to be martyrs. No one has come in there and changes things. Enter Michele Obama, who is her own person. She’s no god no matter how the media portray her, she certainly doesn’t cave into Barack; nor he to her. She is a person who is comfortable in her own skin, not afraid to take risks including a more casual look in the white house, and decorating the house from Target, to higher end stores. She certainly is not stuffy, and that’s most likely why the Queen embraced her. She is refreshing. As a man, I can tell you we admire that in a woman. While a sweet passive lady might work short term for some men; always getting their way, never having to change, or be on a level playing field gets boring and then that sweet passive lady who never questions everything and gives the guy everything he asks for, gets dumped. No one wants a b***ch either, just someone who is respectful, comfortable with themselves that knows how to communicate, is positive in their thinking and can set limits and ask for what they like, and realize they will hear no sometimes as well; there are limits, boundaries for everyone.
The topic of MJ goes beyond his death; it is the study of people; how he and the people like him, such as AJ, get this way. The problem has alot to do with the people around the sick individual; as they have helped them become this way. Until those who surround these individuals get better and healthier (healthy, confident, positive thinking), he or she doesn’t get better – unless they discontinue to associate with them, or the person gets healthy through intervention or setting limits themselves. You can apply the MJ situaiton to many stars, in various degrees. You can also on a smaller scale compare it to the average family situaion; as I said, I have friends who put their spouses on a pedestal and created a monster; they would have done it with who ever they married at is was their belief to do everythign for their spouse and it left them abused. I would imagine MJ mother wasn’t strong enough to tell old Joe a thing or two and leave him earlier in her life when it would have mattered. I’d say she was too needy and pandered to old Joe, and with 5 kids, put herself in a tough bind. An honest doc will tell you that she is just as responsible for the way MJ turned out as the dad; as she wasn’t doing her part in terms of being honest and setting limits. I would imagine, she tried too hard to be liked and worried about what others thought of her, she was too needy to set limits and say no or walk away from Joe Jackson. She created a monster in him, she should have left him if he was abusing their children. Then it seems to overcompensate for the abuse she put them through, she spoiled her children in other ways and created monsters with them. It became a vicious circle.
MJ may be dead; but the circumstances in his situaiton and so many others like his; in varying degrees is not. It is very alive and well and needs to be addressed in every day relationships with family, friends, as well it needs to be addressed with doctors who have studied dependencies in people, families and are taking advantage of wrong learning, vulnerable situation, people which has been reinforced over time with lack of purpose, integrity, with the aid of needy doctor, a needy partner, family member as well as most importantly the needy insecure, self which develops and reinforces bad habits. There are a lot of stars who will end up like MJ if they don’t get help. And on a smaller scale, there are a lot of every day people who will also meet their demise earlier if they don’t get help and decide to change themselves. People need one another to do this, it takes awareness, maturity, right thinking, setting limits, respect, integrity, values and a lot of hard work.
@ladybert62:
Oh! I think you are going to looooooove it! She does the historical reincarnation bit really well, and you’ll find yourself wondering who in modern life is who in medeival times. Matilda de Braose was a real figure in history. Her castle was in Hay on Wye in Wales, and I told you about how the Magna Carta was created as a result of King Johns treatment of her and her family. Im so glad you’re loving it!!!
Re AJ; from my perspective she is a person who is accustomed to getting her way, and will dump anyone who gets in her way, or doesn’t give her her own way. She needs to hook up with a guy who is her emotional equal; who really doesn’t see her as anyting special and sees her for what she is, and is not afraid to say no and or walk away. Of course, she would go into a tirade at first, take a temper tantrum, sulk, act like a chld, threaten to cut them out of her relationship – as she did her father when he told the truth about her, but if he were to pull away first, it would be her being dumped and she would not be able to manage that. No one likes to be dropped. That is a motivator and she would change. Why? Because she too is needy and needs men in her life to make her feel important and valued and to take care of her brood of 6 kids. She can’t be a movie star, galavanting around the world as a humanitarian (joke) without someone taking care of these kids now can she. It’s not the threats that cause people to change, but the actual actions, loss be it temporary or permanent that ignites and fosters change. Respect has to be there. Brad must first respect himself, and not be afraid of the loss, of kids, money. He needs to do what matters and is important, or he will never have confidence or a healthy relationship. Perhaps now, he realizes the need to hear “I love you, lets have kids” is not as important as a demonstration of real love; discipline in self, setting limits, good communciation, not always having to hear ” I love you” knowing what love is, not always having to have romance, sex, knowing what a good partnership, friendship is – which is one of respect, values, integrity, which inovles friends, family, hobbies, a healthy lifestyle with ones own life as well as the one the partners have together.
@Ms Agatha:
I totally agree. I don’t mind so much talking about MJ. What I can’t stand is John’s cut and paste of ridiculously long material. Every post seems to be pages long. In fact I don’t even read all of the text because it’s just too much.
I wish he would shorten his posts. I haven’t been posting lately because i really can’t get into 24/7 Michael jackson. i hear enough of it on the news………
@Kate:
Thank you. I agree. He should write a book as it seems he has allot to say and i don’t think this is the best forum to express his thoughts. This blog IS pure entertainment and WAS once allot of fun…….
I am not cutting and pasting but taking time to compose my own feelings and posting on issues. Tobycat, you don’t like reading my long posts that I ake time to think about and respond and I don’t like reading your posts that have no meaning and are full of complaints about my posts, so ignore mine and i’ll ignore your insults.
@ladybert62:
Who was it who said: “The Coldest Winter I Ever Spent was The Summer I Spent in San Francisco” hahaha!! Was it Charlie Chaplin? The rest of the world is in a heat wave, but not San Fran Oh No! hahahaha
@John:
I know this is probably splitting hairs, but John, you might want to decide whether you are thoughtfully putting out your own feelings, or if you are cutting and pasting, cos you contradicted yourself in two different posts. See below. Cos, its my opinion that if you ARE cutting and pasting then you could possibly just give us the link, as Keane suggested earlier to those. This would cut the length of your posts down in half. Just a suggestion.
Kate, I am copying and pasting facts into threads about MJ.
I am not cutting and pasting but taking time to compose my own feelings and posting on issues
This blog is not just pure entertainment; it is about life issues and people as posted in Ian’s book. He posts all sorts of topics – not just the entertaining ones; he talks about more sensitive topics and life and death. I don’t think Ian had in mind pure entertainment when he posted about David Carradine, Michael Jackson’s death – otherwise that is just capitilizing on someone’s death for money. Sure there are articles that are for fun, and those are usually here, but for now, they are not. Ian has posted on MJ and the causes of his death, what contributed, behind the scenes information. Do you ladies have difficulty discussing on intimate levels; and I’m not talking about; ” I love you” type of intimacy.
Most of Ian’s posts are entertianing and I’ve participated in them, but he offers other posts as well, and I’m participating in those. These posts now aren’t cut and paste, as some of you complained anyone can cut and paste. So, I took the time to write and explain.
I would think you ladies would want people including stars to get better and live healthier lives, so that you wouldn’t have to discuss these topics, but herhaps you want to keep these stars and well known people in a needy state of suffering and dysfunction so that you can gossip about them and have “fun” with their misery. Because MJ is dead and there is nothing further to report on his life: ie gossip, you think there is nothing more to discuss about his life, the tragedy and how to prevent it in future? I am getting a strong feeling here from what Tobycat said that she would rather see stars suffering and in mysery so that she can complain and gossip about them, rather than healthy getting better because she may not have anything more to talk about. That is exactly how it comes across to a guy reading this. I hope that is not the same for the majority here for if it is, this site will go downhill and die a most natural death awfully fast. like anyone I can engage in some gossip, but I also like some substance and reality also. I have a full work and family life, have friends as well as volunteer to assist seniors and I enjoy balance in my life in all areas. I don’t bother too much with subjects that don’t interest me much, so I won’t write about them or respond to the articles or posts. So, soon as Ian starts posting again on the all of the hot Hollywood gossip, I won’t be there. I ‘d rather those people got heatlhy.
@John:
I believe the subtitle of this blog includes “pop culture news and views”. Are you saying we are here to save the world ? Ack, Im still in my jammies !
I really believe you are giving a gossip blog a little too much credit. We have no influence over any celebrity, they are going to do what they want to do. Its called money and fame.
All these nifty Hollywood Gossip blogs – I never knew we were supposed to be psychologists to the Stars! Surely they can afford their own doctors.
Let’s not be too mean to John. He is posting thoughtful and meaningful information, it just might be a little too much for us, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be respected IMO
@Tamara:
I mean, he obviously has a real insight into this story but this blog probably isn’t the best case to showcase it. Kate suggested he write an article, I think that’s a great idea!!
keane cyber queen supremesaid on July 4th, 2009 at 11:56 am
@ John – nobody ever said they didn’t want someone to get better, they just said we aren’t that interested in MJ. So in time-honoured IUC tradition we are talking about whatever else we feel like: books, pets, personal issues, the tennis, brange whatever comes into our heads. Feel free to continue talking about MJ with whoever else is interested and the rest of us will talk about whatever else we’re interested in. But if I could put in a request for less copying and pasting and more posting of links. I am reading this on a blackberry and it takes hours to scroll through. But as for the rest of it just carry on doing whatever you fancy, as we will.
John does make a good point. We do mock the afflicted here. That said, I find MJ’s life and death sad- sad for him, sad for others. There were people he was victimised by and those he victimised. YES I KNOW, the paedophilia charges were not proven but to my mind buyng white children via an evil surrogate and god knows whose sperm is victimisation of those kids.
However, this is a gossip blog. And yes, there are some I do not wish the best for and would happily sit on here all day gloating over their downfall. Not death you understand- I wouldn’t wish that on anyone- too superstitious- but I think if the holy family broke up I would laugh all day.
Everyone else can just ignore this, it won’t be interesting Im sure, just a note to Ladybert:
I told you after I read the book that I went to Hay on Wye. Visited the ruins of her castle etc. Come to find out it was a lovely quaint village, very small, but with the most unusual feature. Hay has more historical books in its one little village then any other city in the UK! I mean, every door led into a dusty old bookstore where you could find literally almost anything you are looking for. Anything that is except real documented history on Matilda de Braose! LOL And this is HER town LOL Anyway, after an exhausting day visiting every bookstore in town, we were on our way to the car park and stopped in one last place, a newspaper agent. I told the owner what I was doing in town and he said Oh! You just missed Mr, Erskine, Barbara Erskine’s father. He did all the research for the book and he comes in every morning to get his paper, you just missed him! Well, I almost started crying LOL I gave the newsagent my name and phone number and he gave it to his daughter and she wrote me a letter!! I responded and we kept up a slight correspondence for about a year!! I still have the note inside my copy of the Lady of Hay – she lives in a home called Cucumber Hall! hahahaha This book really fired my imagination and I just HAD to go to her castle and tried very hard to will myself back to her time! LOL Slight exaggeration.
Thus far i have enjoyed this site because IT IS a gossip site. It is for entertainment. I don’t personally care about anyone in HW. I like to unwind after a long days work and chit-chat amongst the other bloggers on this site. I am not on here to solve any crimes or change anyones opinion. Until recently it was enjoyable. I do not enjoy John’s long posts so i will take his advise and not read them. John as you stated you can do the same and skip over my comments.
@John:
No, I don’t enjoy other peoples misery. But I also have no connection to the people/entertainers discussed on this blog. Yes, very sad MJ passed away. I do believe he was a huge talent. However, much like Elvis, Kurt Cobain ect. it looks like drug use was most likely the cause of his death. Don’t care if you want to talk about MJ. But like several other posters on this board have mentioned your long posts are too much. Keane gave an excellant suggestion of just copying and pasting a link.
@Tamara:
Dang, that is fascinating Tamara! I would love to go to Wales – fell in love with it when I read the Sharon Kay Penman and the Ellis Peters books! (Of course my main impression of wales is a little old – 12th century but the forests and mountains are still there arent they?) And to think you actually started a correspondence with the writer’s family – I am jealous! Have you ever tried hynposis? I would never do it as I must always be in control of my and my life (yes I have problems with authority-figures as my old boss used to tell me – good thing he had the same problem and understood it!).
@Unfuckingbelievable:
UFB! Where have you been, haven’t seen you lately. I guess you just came back to cuss and shout at us so we don’t forget you! hahahaha
Get a life UFB, you have never been able to manage a single bit of input on this blog other than to abuse me. Do I come to Dlisted to do that to you? I couldn’t give a damn about you, what you think of me or what you think about anything else. I just feel sorry for you that you’ve got nothing better to do with your life. Although admittedly when you did make a comment before that wasn’t about me (which you were so proud of yourself for), you made yourself look so stupid you got laughed off the blog. Yeah so I do understand I suppose why you always stick to attacking others and never make an independent comment yourself. It would expose you to the ridicule you are so afraid of wouldn’t it? Must suck to feel so inadequate. Try to develop a sense of self-worth and one day you’ll feel a lot happier. Bye UFB, hope you have a better life one day.
I just feel bad for her, this is as good as life gets for her. I think she’s just desperate for attention. I can’t remember a single thing she ever said on Dlisted and I doubt many people could. She’s one of those people who’s been ignored and overlooked by people all of her life for whatever reason and it’s made her bitter. I do genuinely feel bad for her.
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
A blast from the past huh? Haven’t seen her around in quite awhile. Then when she does show up all she does is YELL at us! hahahaha!!
@John:
John, I can agree with every word you said , but the problem is we do not control other peoples lives. I understand you are interested in this, for myself I want to see what IAN has to say in his book, so until I have read it I really don’t have anything to say on MJ. As far as the doctors and drugs go, that will not be solved here, and people have to take responsibility for themselves. You will not change my mind on that, I come from a very strong law enforcement background, while my immediate family keeps me entertained my pop and his did not. AN is a mother of six children, that is reason enough not to destroy her life as far as I am concerned, same with MJ, when you bring kids in you owe them and your vanity and problems taken second place. I am not a shrink or a lobbyist nor do I want to be. This was horrible when it happened to ANS and it is now and it will be the next time, but there will always be enablers in Hollywood and you are being naive if you believe otherwise.
sorry girls but i found johns bit on aj and bp quite refreshing and insightfull, did not mind reading his opinion on them it was well put and well written. i also some times ramble on and wish i could express myself in shorter terms but being a gemini it is hard. we are having a few good days in sa and this winter it seems the weather is not so bad as last year. i must learn to link photos then maybe i can show you some of south africas beautifull people and places, just so that those of you that have no knowleldge of sa can see parts of it . well goodnight and have a good weekend all.
She ran off with her tail between her legs when she made the major mistake of actually making a comment rather than just trying to find anything she could think of about something I’d said to attack. I did to her exactly what she does to me just to show her how easy it was. Ridicule and abuse is pretty easy, you can come up with something in that vein with practically anything anyone ever says. Make an actual comment and you expose yourself to the possibility of attack or ridicule. That’s why UFB is afraid of it. She is a big yellow-livered coward. And abusing me on this blog is as exciting as her life gets. I’m sure she has all of our deepest sympathies.
@jan/sa:
Brad and Angelina in my mind and in many others, do not exist as a couple any longer. The Brange is over.
So in that regards when I hear that term it makes me think of the past, not present tense. Now I just think of Brad as single and Angelina with whoever she is banging at the time.It just has not been formally announced. Brad is single or maybe not. if anyone is paying attention to the whispers around LA and some of the media you will notice that there are many that are aware as well and that are very subtly hinting at it, as in Elizabeth Sneads last snipe in the LA Times where she slid in that AJ borrowed Brad from Jen. That is not the first article to come out suggesting that there is a reconciliation in the works. As IAN said in the past, no one can figure out why they are holding on the split news, well, maybe this is why, and maybe after July 12th and the premier of IB we will find out more. So as to Brad and Jolie splitting, that is done jmo Those sources from Brads camp that IAN quoted several times, I do believe, and that started months and months ago. Who knows if they will ever reconcile, but they are definitely friends at this point, and Brad and Angelina are further from that point. Again my opinion. If they were sited anywhere it was probably to avoid being seen coming out of a attorney’s office. We may see another load of total BS form him in his promotion of this movie, or maybe not, whatever sells, means nothing. Maybe IAN can predict the announcement date.
bb14. Can some-one please tell me who John is. I did read his piece on BP/AJ/JA and found it well written and most accurate but that’s about all. I have to say that MJ was a great entertainer and will be never another one like him. But other great entertainers have passed on as well. But he has gone and nothing we say will ever bring him back. Let’s move on to something else, as Ladybert 62 posted Brangie is much more fun.
I reckon he will keep up the pretence for the duration of promoting IB, then it will be her turn to promote Salt do you think? Or does he have another project coming out before that? She will cling on to the pretence of the relationship for dear life I would have thought, she knows that when that relationship hits the fan she will be in deep doo doo. If a PR person can get her out of this one the way they got her out of the hook up they really need to rename themselves Houdini. Life will be so much trickier for her after they announce the split. She won’t be able to traipse around the world with them any more. People will say, shouldn’t they be in a stable home so they can see their father regularly, shouldn’t they be in a regular school and have regular friends, the poor things have been through enough with the split etc. She won’t be able to flaunt her relationships or sexuality for publicity either, she is a mother of 6 now, she would be roasted for it. And I don’t think middle America would take too well to her hooking back up with a woman again when she’s been playing Mr and Mrs America for such a long time. She’s backed herself into a corner in a major way with this in my view. The hook up with Brad and all the kids has been far too high rish a strategy for her in my view. Yes it catapaulted her to the top, but I think it also has the ability to throw her to the very bottom again if she’s not very careful. All she can cling on to now is the mother teresa, humanitarian, Saint Angelina image which is why she is doing all the “refugees are awesome” interviews and making hefty donations to charity. For Brad it will be much easier, men get forgiven for so much more, especially if he goes back to Jen. He’ll come out of it vrtually unscathed in fact in my opinion. And if he does get back with Jen it will of course be even worse for Ange, people will say well I guess she got hers, what goes around comes around etc. So let’s hope he does just to give us all a good laugh hey? Oh and I’m sure revenge will be sweet for Jen!
Keane Cyber Queen Supremesaid on July 4th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
BTW, as this thead is about MJ, I will throw a little comment in about him. It seems like I can’t walk past a bar, a shop or a car without hearing MJ’s music blaring out of the CD player. It reminded me why I’ve never been that interested in MJ; I don’t actually like his music that much. A bit of the Jackson 5 yes, maybe a couple of tracks from his early solo career, but really none of the rest. I don’t really think he was a musical genius, his music has never done anything for me. A great dancer and performer yes, but the music didn’t float my boat at all. Anyone else?
Keane Cyber Queen Supremesaid on July 4th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Earth to IUC, earth to IUC, can you read me over? This is ground control to IUC, we seem to have lost commuincation. Can you read me over? Is anybody out there?
The terrible irony of all this sadness and waste is , that ordinary people are much better at dealing with life’s difficulties than any star with a fawning entourage and an inflated sense of their own worth.
We can cope with being let down or rejected. We can keep it together in a way that stars and celebrities gradually lose the ability to. Celebrity is not a free pass to the most selfish and impervious behavior. Behind their gated mansions , these people have become monsters, convinced of their own power and privilege, immune to the civilized constraints of real life . Celebrities have fallen victims to their grandiose self ….. at one point they started believing in their own image ….. not their environment is to blame, but only the celebrity itself , who created the inviroment in the first place…
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:I was never on the MJ bandwagon either. I was in grad school during his heyday, didn’t even own a tv. @Ms Agatha:I thought it was the NYT, isn’t it an interesting concept. Doubt Madonna or AJ read it.
@Different Guest:
They read only cut outs, and only if it’s about THEM … they are too busy scooping up babies in 3rd world countries …. in search for personal meaning and purpose in deserts and jungles ….the more exotic the locale, the better they look….. and the better the photos in the backdrop ..
@Court:
Damn, that sounds really terrible. I just don’t understand how he can have a needle go through his eyeball and not get anything to relax him during the process. My docs prescribe Valium on me without any hesitation – I suffer from panic attacks. Every doc I’ve had since 17 has prescribed me Valium. While my panic attacks are pretty bad (they called for the paramedics when I was going through Heathrow airport), I would still think that having a procedure such as that would certainly deem a pill – especially if it’s just once a month!
The problem is you sound like you are lecturing as opposed to just sharing an opinion. And as far as MJ’s demise, I’m 100 percent sure that there will be a veritable pharmacy in the toxicology report. However, this blog is not what is going to change the situation. It is the LAPD and the DEA and the FDA – all who have been asked to help and find out where these drugs came from. Federal law enforcement is the answer, and even with that, people will still get high in LA, just as they do in other american cities and the the rest of the world. The only difference is others go to their heroin dealer or page their Coke dealer and buy their prescriptions off the street. You are very gung ho on discussing MJ’s addictions and how they were handled – but I think that what most people are saying in essence is: let’s see the toxicology report, let’s see who become persons of interest, let’s see what the DEA does.
BTW, I am not criticising – if this is that important to you then it’s valid. But really, I have read all your posts on this thread and the further down I went, the more I felt like I was being lectured to as opposed to just reading another user’s comments and thoughts.
It was unbelievalbe listening and reading some comments about Jackson’s made up or exaggerated illnesses in the media and also on here as possible cause of death, when it was obvious he was so into drugs and a hypochondriac. That came from docs, laywers, friends. Making excuses for him, coming out with mystery diseases was in part the way he and those like him thrive; through hoping to pull the wool over everyones eyes, and have people enabling him – buying into the deception, hype, stories. They just aren’t real. It’s obvious by looking at him, watching him over the years that his claims weren’t real. The docs that contributed to his drug addictions, and messed up face; tell a big story. You people are intelligent on this blog; why would you buy into the weird claims?
Yes, I did like some of Jackson’s music; not just the Jackson Five, but Thriller, Man in the Mirror were great. There of course were some pieces I did not like, and were very forgettable. Overall, he was a brilliant performer who could have achieved so much more had he been more disciplined, had more meaning and purpose and a better crowd around him; people who were honest and not just in it for the money and power.
Ordinary people are no better in dealing with something like this than a star, unless they have a good network of friends, family around them that they know they can trust. the only difference between a star and the average person is; the average person doesn’t have the money that would draw people to them who might lie to them so that they might get something from them. However, that said, when a person gets to this star status, or become wealthy they are treated differently by those around them; those who want something from them; they tell them what they want to hear so there is less honest input. They become less grounded and more vulnerable. Everyone has an ego and it’s difficult to keep grounded in this sense unless you have a lot of people around you who you can trust.
While celebrities may have fallen victims to their larger than life self…. it is their fans who demand of them; this blog is just one example of fans getting very involved with living celebretiies, talking about them, demanding things from them, criticizing them. The fans feel let down if the celeb does not perform, acts a certain way, etc. At some point I would think Jackson did not believe in his own image, he very much doubted himself; he had a lot going on behind the scenes; take a look at the actions of his father and it’s pretty obvious to see why he was so meesed up. Jackson had been performing since he was a young child. He did not have a normal life, did not know what normal was. Jackson most definitely did not believe in his image, and that’s why he kept changing it, his face, his hair, and everything else. He had very low self esteem and a very poor image of himself. He and his environment are both to blame, not just the celebrity himself; not just the environment. Many of the stars are managed by agents, and have little control over their own lives. Look at Britney spears, who never knew who to cling on to. Who were Jackson’s role models? A self serving and abusive father; doctors who gave out drugs like candy, a mother who was too nice who couldn’t stand up to the father; fans who kept wanting him to perform and laughed at his wild and irratic behavior, an ex wife Presley who had to leave him becasue she felt the docs and his entourage were taking over and he’d end up the same way as her father.
Years ago, a friend won a big lottery to the tune of millions. They said they would continue to work and not change; but you know, every charity called them up, reporters, businesses, etc were calling them up at the work place, they were being followed around, hounded by media, and by who ever else was able to find them; friends from years ago were coming out of the woodwork, people were gushing over them, businesses were opening doors to them, they were pretty much given the key to the city; it was unreal. Eventually, this person had to quit work – which you knew had to happen; all within about 2 weeks of being an instant millionaire. They simply said their life had changed so much in this brief time and they needed to lay low and go into hiding for a while until things settled down. They said the demands on them were so high; people, friends, some family, and charties were hoping for financial aid from them, they had no idea how some people got their phone number. There were a few articles on them in the news. Those who didnt’ get what they wanted from this person called them selfish as well as all sorts of other names until it became so much that they were forced into hiding. This person shared with me that they can’t even begin to imagine how a celebrity, politician, etc must feel or live. They decided to disappear for a year or so, and traveled to quiet areas and later came back to a location close by but continued to live a very private life which they say they was not easy to do. They have invested their money, and the one spouse holds a job to keep their sanity, do something meaningful and get out of the house. They gave some money to charity but put a limit on the number of charities.
Entertainers can’t so easily go into hiding not if they expect to work, or perform at all; after all what else can they do at that point. Entertainers cant’ get away as easily as my friend could; there would be greater demands on them, to perform, donate, everythign would be scrutiinzed from what they wore, to how they smile, look, and what they would say.
benjaminbutton14said on July 4th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
bb14. I have just been surfing thru the net when I come across “Female First” Forum I have never heard of them, but my god they seem to know a lot more than us regarding BP/JA/AJ . I wonder where they get all their info from. I skimmed thru some of their posts and they seem to know a lot on that subject.
Having coached athletes I have learned alot about the athlete and their families. It’s quite sad how some parents treat their children; neglect them, abuse them, make unrealistic demands on them, or buy them off and have little to do with them. In many cases team sports help these kids function; think of others than just protecting themselves, overcome their shyness or lack of confidence. It gets them to communicate and reach out to others; but of course some are more difficult to reach as the wounds; abuse goes deep. Seeing their struggles, seeing some of them overcome obstacles with their peers who try to get them into taking drugs, seeing these kids overcome their fears, insecurities is rewarding. It’s not easy and it takes many people working together to get some positive results. These kids need help in order to get on the right path; and while we can’t save the world or even pretend to, and some days maybe barely able to save oursleves, if we can reach out and even help one person; just by being more aware, by standing for something, not being enablers, not standing for the status quo; by standing up to doctors who take advantage of kids; celebretiies – getting involved on blogs, media about these docs and families who aren’t honest with their kids and don’t set limits, or abuse their kids to the point that they can’t stand themselves and they carve up their faces, etc. Honesty doesn’t have to be said in anger or in a negative way; there is power in honesty. It’s not always easy and some may not like to hear it; they react, avoid and reject the idea. But at least if nothing else, you have voiced a legitimate concern and know that by doing so, you have attempted to make life for somoene a little bit better or healthy for someone.
People used to care more years ago IMO when life was simpler; but we have all become so busy now, our lives more compex, that we don’t seem to have time for those around us who need our help. Face it, sometimes we need others help. We all need one another to develop and learn.
Palin resigned because there’s pending federal indictments against her for embezzlement. Apparently, while as mayor, she used materials meant for the construction of the Wasilla Sports Complex in the construction of own home. What gives this story ammunition is the fact that her lawyer is now threatening to sue websites and bloggers who even attempt to discuss this topic. It’s a form of intimidation against her critics.
BTW Ian, everybody’s sick of Jacko being all over the TV. It’s time to plant him in the ground and get back to covering Angelina Jolie.
Ms Agatha said on July 4th, 2009 at 6:47 am
@benjaminbutton14:
She is rumored to stay in her own house when in L.A…. the one she let’s her brother stay in, and nobody seems to know exactly where it is.
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The paparazzi know where James Haven lives. James owns the home. There are such things as public records. The paps have even taken pictures of Haven at his home. There are no credible reports that Jolie stays at Haven’s house. If there were the paps would be staking out his home.
The Jolie Pitts have a large compound with a number of entrances on different streets. The city enacted traffic regulations that make it difficult, if not impossible, for the paparazzi to loiter in the area of the Jolie Pitt home. Neighbors see to it that the parking regs are enforced. If Jolie and the kids are home in Los Feliz then there may not be much need to leave. Jolie and some of the kids were spotted by several people at Trader Joe’s in LA last Monday. Two Australian tourists reported seeing Jolie and Pitt in the Roosevelt Hotel the morning of the day Michael Jackson died IIRC. For the exact date see news reports of it.
Keane Cyber Queen Supremesaid on July 5th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Seems like the nanny was the secret Brit girlfriend, and the family member who called her hours after MJ’s death according to her was his mother Katherine! Apparently Grace controlled who had access to Michael including family members which may be why he was out of touch with a lot of them for some time before his death. Apparently when the children heard of MJ’s death they cried for her and she has now been asked by Katherine to go help comfort them. She was the main mother figure in their life according to this security guard and should be raised by her:
And Britain’s answer to Angelina Jolie, Katie Price, takes a leaf out of her US equivalent’s book to help save her image and career after considerable negative press. Yes folks she is launching the Katie Price Foundation, a charity for children which by including her name in the title also serves to promote herself. Seems like charity is the PR get-out for everyone these days. If it can save the career of a homewrecker, I guess it can work for a woman who belittled her husband at every opportunty and cares more about herself, her career and getting publicity than her own children. Or have the public become more cynical and clocked on to it nowadays? From the opinions written underneath some of the stories I have read today it seems like it is a possibility:
One thing that is important to me is honesty. If people choose to listen to me or not, that’s up to them, but at least I am confident in that I have planted seeds of truth about self destructive, or destructive behavior. Whatever someone does is up to them. I’ve been fortunate in that I’m close to many doctors who have shared some of their knowledge with me about various behavioral and health issues. Additionally, I have taken my own life experiences where I have turned a negative into a positive and learned something from it. Additionally, Positive thinking goes a long way. The mind is a very powerful tool and what you believe you can make happen by virtue of your beliefs, actions. Negative thinking and fear causes stress, worry, and makes people tired, procrastinate and sick. I like to surround myself with positive people and thoughts and try to see the good in things. I am thankful for that which comes my way. They may not always be fun things or positive, but if I learn something than I am happy.
No one can make anyone do anything they don’t wish to do, but honesty, respect and integrity go a long way. I like to have fun like everyone else and I do have fun. At the end of each day I know I can live with myself and have no regrets.
Keane Cyber Queen Supremesaid on July 5th, 2009 at 10:47 am
On another note: have Gwen Stefani and Gavin Rossdale announced their split yet? Last year’s Wimbledon final he was sat in the royal box with Gwen. This year he is either solo or with a young man, I can’t tell! Interesting…..!
Damm so Ian was wrong again when he claimed that Micheal Jackson was gay! Thinking back there actually were rumors that Jackson was going to marry his nanny! Ah well. Just like Ian was wrong when he claimed that the singer had Alpha 1 which seriously damaged his lungs – strangely there was abolutely NO mention of that when the autopsy results were revealed!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Oh No! I actually thought they were a solid couple, notwithstanding his predilection for boys! haha But thought that was all worked out. Saw a pic of him on PH the other day wearing a sheer black shirt circa 1980. hahaha
P Hilton has a video of Marcheline Bertrand when she was very young, and the resemblance to AJ is uncanny! Not only her looks but her voice, the kind of coming on to you look on her face and in her voice. Someone else watch it and tell me what you think. I think AJ comes by it naturally and learned everything she knows from her mother.
@Truth:
Wow Truth – that is interesting. I had read comments in articles that threw some dirt on her and Hunky Todd’s dealing with that complex – up to and including how they obtained their beautiful home. Thanks for this little tidbit as I will be keeping my eye out for more about this!
@ladybert62:
Yea, there have been lots of references to her shady dealings, abusing her power in office, etc. Didn’t she do something to get her brother in law fired, and then the stuff with the house. Is there a politican out there who is NOT corrupt, who truly cares more for the people then for themselves? I don’t think so.
@Truth:
Dear Truth – am still thinking about what you wrote. So pending federal indicements means (1) the Justice Dept or (2) the IRS or (3) Both or (4) something else? I am intrigued – can you share more info?
John, I hope this post gets through. Most of mine have been deleted (which is why, Keane, my comments the other day didn’t make sense). I’ll simply comment that you have every right to write or copy what you want. There is a double standard on this website. If you trash the Brand, one can go on for paragraphs and paragraphs, repeat and repeat. But veer from the Brand topic and also make sound comments and provide rational information, and suddenly you’re having to defend yourself. The tone has changed, here, and you are being treated with a modicum of respect and tolerance, which is new and notes behind-the-scenes-changes in how the site is now handled. My suggestion to you is to watch your back and perhaps share your information with those who appreciate your intelligence. Otherwise, if you stay, the knives may begin to sharpen and a patronizing tone will subtly begin to twist and turn.
Thank you for your reporting and informing. You do realize, don’t you, that Ian Halperin claimed it was illness and other factors, not drugs, that MJ suffered from…which is partially why you are not getting some of the support you deserve from various posters.
Keane Cyber Queen Supremesaid on July 5th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Just to let all you Americans know that your guy is still hanging on against Federer in the 5th set of the final at Wimbledon, they are on 14 games all. Roddick has put up an admirable fight and I am willing him to deny Federer his record-breaking 15th slam win. We could be here all night though….
IAN – Please invest in a better blog format – put your michael stuff to one side ( We realize for promotion purposes, this is a must), and put your other thoughts / tidbits / knowledge on the other. There are so many Juicy stories flying everywhere that we would LOVE to hear from you !!!
Hi Ian. Loved the articles you did for the Daily Mail! Is it possible for you to dig deaper in his alleged heroin addiction? Also, I believe there are more stories to be found surrounding the Neverland 5.
That was interesting – so much conflicting info about MJ out there at the mo. It’ll be interesting to see what proves to be right and what proves to be wrong.
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
I find these stories much more interesting than what amount of drugs that killed him, I think at this point it is obvious he was floating in drugs, but he did have a bizarre life. Did anyone here see the movie Doubt? That article reminded me of the defining moment when the Father decided the resign.
@Liz E.:
bb14. Thanks for that info. looks like she is still hanging around LA hopefully nowhere near Brad.
Yes, I read about the 2 Australian women who sighted Brad and Ange. I am an Australian also.
It rings a bell, remind me who was in it and what it was about again. Oh was it that Gwyneth Paltrow flick with Anthony Hopkins about a maths theorem? No I didn’t see that, you’ll have to explain the relevance!
bb14. I have read everything that posters have to say on MJ and I feel that there is nothing left to comment about him anymore.
Does anyone feel like myself that we need a new post, there must be something about Brangie. out there.
I prefer to talk about people that alive and not dead he has passed on now let him rest in peace.
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
No, it was Meryl Streep, Amy Adams, and Phillip Seymour Hoffman. Based on the play , about a nun who suspects a priest has been suducing a young black male in the school, just based on her observations. great movie, great performances.
@Liz E.:
Hi: Didn’t mean THAT house. The house her brother ‘ officially’ lives in, is also his church based counseling office and it’s known to the paparazzi, he parks his truck with license plate shhhhilo right in front of it. I am talking about the house AJ owns in L.A. and lives in years before she met BP. It’s not in her name on record (duh), she uses it often when in L.A. Contrary to BP, she has not been seen entering or leaving the Los Feliz home for ever. As to people who want to have seen her in a shopping center…. it’s like with the Bigfoot sighting…. claims are cheap, a photo is evidence…
I thought ‘Doubt’ was done incredibly well. Meryl Streep – there will never be another like her. But Phillip Seymour Hoffman was right there and ready to dance with her. Also, Viola Davis was extraordinary strong – it’s amazing after watching the movie to realise she only has one scene!!!!
But yes Kate, I know the scene you’re talking about. It was masterfully done.
I too have OD’ed. I’ve OD’ed on the Michael Jackson coverage!!! Apparently, Joe Jackson isn’t happy with the autopsy the coroner’s office did, nor the private autopsy that was performed after that and so he now wants to have a 3rd autopsy done. Apparently Michael’s mother is putting her foot down and saying “no way, that’s it.” My logical thought is that his father obviously isn’t happy with what the results say, but come on, how long can you beat a dead horse??? And what parent wants to keep having doctors cut open their son, over and over again? That old man is selfish, pig headed and obviously no better than when the kids were young and he armed himself with a belt for beatings at any given moment.
As for what drugs he was taking – that’ll all come out with toxicology – in the meantime, I think the world could use a break from this story. It’s as if the media thinks they can beat people over the head with it 24/7 and that we are all just drones that wish to feed from the MIchael Jackson Death Well permanently. Urgh!
Just give the guy his memorial and let him finally rest in peace.
Older stars have their names on their property deeds so they’re stuck with people being able to find out their exact whereabouts as land deeds are public records, but in the age of the internet and increased stalking, you can use LLC’s or a structured blind trust to purchase property. Then when people go to look you up they come up blank. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ang has a place that she has kept secret. I remember when she bought her apartment in New York and that apartment was never publicised – she’s good at operating under the radar when she wants.
@harikari girl:
That scene was chilling wasn’t it, and then the final scene at the end. wow, but it captured the way the film opened as well, terrific writing, captivating acting, it was like you are in the same room with them. Great play, better movie, and yes, for such a small role, so so powerful, one I think every mother can identify with on a very primal level, no matter how oh my gosh ! it was.
They have denied their split …. there are photos floating around the net showing Gavin w some woman… they are probably waiting til the time is right, read : After her tour
Hari, have you heard anything about Brad and Jen reconciling and keeping it on the downlow? Loz Sneads sort of hinted at it the other day when she was discussing their earnings. I am wondering if the mainstream media is going to jump on this. Daily Mail article now with Angelina now saying they are all going to Portugal. That would support what we heard earlier, but that could be a diversion to keep the press off of her as well.
I got chills at the end when Meryl turns to Amy and says she has ‘doubt’.
Of the 3, I’m really not tuned in to Jen’s camp. Tied more to BP’s and also to AJ’s although independently and separate of each other. A certain Mr. V told me BP has been using the Los Feliz house. He didn’t mention Ang or the kids being there, but Mr. V can’t stand her anyway so he may have just omitted that.
@keane cyber queen supreme:
Our holiday is almost over; so I came back home to read your reply to my post. ITA!
I read one of the BI in Blind Gossip.com; wherein the sharp readers pointed out RF.
I think more athletes use steroids simply because they not only have an advantage with the extra strength it provides, but so far, it can go undetected.
We have baseball players with stats that should afford them easy entry into The Baseball Hall of Fame; however, rumors of streoid use have kept them out so far.
bb14. Off Topic…… I thought this maybe of interest. My friend from New York sent this to me I don’t know where she got it from she didn’t say but she did say that she has heard that she believes this to be true. Leave it up to you to figure.
I know for a fact that Jen and Brad are almost back together. I can’t say how I know as I’m sworn to secrecy…but I do. You can make your own choice whether to believe me or not.
The plan is for Jen to ‘date’ a bunch of different guys, or let the stories get out that she’s dating up
I don’t know when they’ll come out again as a couple. That depends on some other factors that can’t be controlled.
They started talking last year, when Brad reached out because he needed her friendship. It was all platonic and friendly. The tides turned at the Oscars.
After weeks of conversation leading up to the oscars, he was already separated from Ange – they were living apart at the time, seeing her up on the stage made him realize some stuff. I don’t know what comes next, all I know is that I heard he ‘wants to go home’.
She broke up with Mayer because she was so confused, the sparks were flying again and she wasn’t sure how to handle it.a storm to distract from what’s going on between her and Pitt.
Brad is still wearing the necklace jen gave him.
I do believe brad and ang are way over, but I really don’t think I want Jen to take brad back!
Also so sick of the michael Jackson news, please no more MJ crap.
@benjaminbutton14:
so tha’ts why jen practically stalked mayer :
This A list actress is more famous for one lucky television role than the truly awful acting she has done in movies. Well, she had a recent breakup. Her publicity machine cranked out every story it could to say she was the one who had done the breaking up with her singer boyfriend. Well, this may be true, but then why would the singer have to change his phone number and e-mail address after she wouldn’t stop trying to contact him? When she couldn’t reach the singer why would she start calling all of his friends to beg them for his number? What she is telling his friends is that she can’t move on without some kind of closure.
@mooki:
Mooki: This visit happened about 2 weeks ago actually, around finishing Salt … one of the soldiers twittered about the visit….that-s how story got out…. I read it too…true ? dunno, maybe
@harikari girl:
Hi HariKari Girl – what result is Bad Daddy Joe looking for since he is unhappy with the 2 already done? Sounds like he wants a specific finding? Any ideas?
@d:
Yea, but didn’t that happen after the first time they broke up, and then they got together again, so he couldn’t have been tooooo bothered about the “stalking”.
@ladybert62:
LOL You finished it?? hahaha I suppose you guessed the ending, but did you enjoy it? Hmmmm, let me think about my next suggestion. Do you want to stay in the 12th Century?
@Tamara:
Hi Tamara – of course I finished it! I am a fast reader especially if I am enjoying the book! Plus I am half way through another book (21st century murder mystery in LA by Jonathan Kellerman!) Any century is fine with me – well almost, when it comes to England anything before Charles II (the Regency era and then onwards is not really interesting to me). Yes, I did enjoy the book. The ending was a little strange (I dont buy it that Dr. Sam just decided to kill himself and that her and Nick (Mathilda and King John in today’s world) got together. (I would have preferred if she had just written a straight 12th century novel as I found the “trick” approach of regression a little unbeliveable and jarring to keep being thrust between then and now and I had a hard time accepting that all three men fell in love with her almost upon sight and that King John decided to destroy the family because of her rejection of him – but other than those criticisms, it was a fun read, I did learn more about Wales and overall I greatly enjoyed the book!) Hope you dont take my criticisms personal as I appreciate the recommendation and look forward to anymore than you offer!
@Tamara:
Any recommendations about Ancient Rome? and yes I have read all of Colleen McCullough’s Ancient Rome novels at least 5 times! (Obviously I loved those too).
@Different Guest:
AH ha – you think that is what he looking for? Bad Daddy Jo better think about what he is smoking if he thinks they are going to come to that conclusion! Might as well say he died from shock because he found out he was pregnant! Laughing myself off my chair at work!
@John:
Thank you Pastor John! Are you going to pass the plate for contributions to your new Blog Episcopy! Please dont be offended – just joshing you a little as you do rant and rave!
Do we have to wait until the end of August now, before we get any news on AJ/BP ? That’s when his IB movie comes out. Only then will we see, if they walk the carpet together , or if he comes alone what is her excuse ? …. Or do they have an official announcement before then ? End of August is coming soon for them but what are we going to do until then ? Ian taking iatus ? …hibernating over summer ? ……. when do you stop being so quiet ? lol
@d:
bb14. I believe that something is definately going on between Jen and Brad. I got that feeling from the Oscars that something was brewing.
I don’t know where my friend gets her info from she won’t tell me I have practically begged but no go. But I did manage to get out of her that it was Jen who told him to further his arcitecture and help the people of New Orleans who lost their homes with Katrina. So that’s how the name came to be “Make It Right” again you figure, maybe you heard this before.
@benjaminbutton14:
That has come from female first. An ‘insider’ on the ‘Date Night At Roosevelt Hotel’ has posted it. It’s worth reading right the through even though it’s 24 pages long. I think insider 1 is an old friend of ours from IUC.
Ha ha! Yes I have to admit it is the best expression I have ever heard in my life and I would use it all day long if it wouldn’t make people look at me funny (well more than they already do anyway of course!).
@benjaminbutton14:
She is getting it from the Roosevelt thread at FF which is a complete joke,they have 3 insiders all arguing who is right. I had read it earlier a few days ago, then not again until now, unbelievable. The first one is definitely well/me or there was another one here but I have forgotten what her story was, margarita, what did she say? The other one is probably one of Ian’s souces, and the third one is just a grapevine person, probably the only one that has it right.
IAN’s book I think comes out after the Memorial , I want to read that and see what is going on, I would suspect he will get back to Brange after that.
Who knows if they are getting together, now we have the Daily Mail supporting the source who told IAN Angelina was buying a home in Portugal, except they have Brad living there with her for the summer and the art can not come with him. That sounds like a slam at hm, (he spends money on art while I visit refugees) and all the while to paint a picture they are living together. She is good at not being photographed in LA though because she has an agreement with the paps not to do so except when she wants them to according to some, and Brad is out there because he wants to be. Was that little break down on his bike staged? I think it may have been, but he did seem genuinely irritated. jury is out
BTW I meant the thread with the insiders is a jole at FF not the website, although they are infested with trolls so makes it hard to skim and read. They are good at gathering news and posting links, I will say, very good at that, and their photoshop person is hilarious. Funny read at times. Kind of interesting how the insiders went from here to there.
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Do happen to remember was me/well also margarita, I seem to remember or didn’t one of them have a slightly different version. forgotten.
Funny, she had a breakdown it seems demanding someone tlel her why Brad was working with Roth on CCOBB and how that got started. When I read that I thought, now wait, I just saw Brad explain that in detail in a interview (too bad I did not pay much attention to what he said) but he talked about how he started the project when he was married to Jen, how he met Roth. etc. He is Pax’s godfather.
LOL now wouldn’t it be something if one of Erics family were posting , that would be hilarious. Not possible but it would be funny. No this person is the one who said she had a run in with Jolie, Jolie was jealous of her. lol okey dokey. so, I guess she slept with Brad too, while she slept with AJ before he slept with Jen.
Now who believes Jen would not have a problem with Braddy doing MAMS with her if they had an affair, of course he is a liar, but still?
IAN, if you happen to read this, can you flag it to check on latter..thanks!
@Alif:
Made a mistake in my last post. The Blind Gossip.com posters pointed out Rafael Nadal, as the one who used steroids to build up his body so fast! I typed RF, which was wrong! My apologies!
@Kate:
bb14. I went to ff and read thru the whole pages. How does this person know so much, she seems to have an answer for everything for every question asked. Now I know where my friend got all the gossip from, I have heard a lot to that Brad and Jen are back together fooling the public and media. I guess that is what actors do, act.
A few months ago, a trustworthy source blabbed that David Beckham plays for the other team. How am I not surprised? (I know that MU’s other former golden boy [no pun intended] Cristiano Ronaldo is a notorious closet case, per another source)
Foul play. That even though the family has known for years that he was dependent on drugs (and staged at least 2 interventions), that his death was not from something he took himself, but rather that somebody else administered something to him without his knowledge OR him being aware that it could be life-threatening.
You brought up MJ and the alleged molestations and I just wanted to throw a couple of things out there. I think the public assumed his guilt basically from 2 defining things that happened. 1) the first case didn’t go to trial because there was a paid settlement – that looked terrible. 2) Martin Bashir’s documentary came out in 93 and had the 2nd ‘victim’ in part of the documentary and off of that Tom Sneddon (sp?) got the warrants to raid Neverland and take it to trial.
Here’s what isn’t widely known about those 2 events. In case No. 1 – Jackson desperately wanted to go to trial. But as he was not yet a fallen star, he had very extensive insurance policies covering pretty much all areas of his life. The finance company decided on their own that they wanted this out of the way as fast as possible and found the family would take the settlement amount that insurance was comfortable with. Jackson said ‘no way, I’ll look guilty”, insurance basically said “it’s up to us not you” and the money was paid out making Jackson look like he had paid his way out of a guilty situation.
Case No. 2 with Martin Bashir’s documentary. Bashir absolutely and completely used Jackson and lied to him the whole way through the time he spent with the star. What most people don’t seem to be aware of is that Jackson has his own video camera set up for all the interviews with Bashir. If you ever put the 2 side by side, you will see that Bashir totally did a 180 once he left Neverland, completely changed his narration to the complete opposite of what he had originally said, and made Jackson looked completely deranged and a probable molester. If you see the tapes that Jackson has, you will hear Bashir wax nostalgic about how Jackson’s treatment of these kids goes past just being good but surpasses to almost something spiritual. Bashir did a hatchet job on him and made a nice career for himself with it. Jackson, completely fell apart after that betrayal – he had decided to let someone in to his life and grant them access and his trust. The unedited footage was made available to the public but the damage had already been done and nobody seemed to be interested in watching it.
If you take away the settlement and take away Bashir’s documentary, you take away a huge amount of doubt that was immediately cast on Jackson and his relationship with children.
BTW, both kids came from families where there were prior cases of extortion, and in the second case, a very poor family. Also the first child did not recall anything untoward or sexual ever happening until he was given a still unnamed drug to ‘help him remember’ with his parents help.
Not trying to offend anyone here – the molestation or incest of children is a very touchy subject. I am very aware of the damage of molestation/incest and how it can affect your entire life (it has mine). That being said, there are 2 sides to every story and there was a lot left out when it came to MJ, so I figure it at least deserves to be brought to light.
@Kate:
bb14. Kate I would like to know how they are getting all their information I mean we are getting nothing here from Ian, so it makes me wonder about them
Their posts go on and on never seem to end if you read down all their different topics on the Brand, where are they coming from. None of them are talking about MJ just BP/AJ
@harikari girl:That’s why I really want to hear Ian’s definition of molestation – it isn’t just a physical act, it’s also psychological and the psychological impact is often more damaging than the physical act. I thought before bringing the charges in the second case that investigators talked to other children and heard similar stories about being shown pornography, given alcohol etc. The fact that there was a second case was sheer stupidity on his and his handlers part. Someone should have stepped up and said this inappropriate behavior and it will not continue.
@benjaminbutton14:
They just gather articles and discuss them. Looks like Ang I’d still working towards that political base. Visiting the soldiers in the hospital was brilliant , looks like she is doing it on the downlow even though the guys took pics and one of the wives plastered it on her Facebook. Sly.
Meanwhile we have Bradley who hates paps as he was so assertive about on LKL, so he decides to break down while they are hovering around and orchestrate a little show for us so we can understand why he hates them. LOL and he gets his face in the news, we know where he is, alone possibly , all the while it looks like he just can’t catch a break. Sly, almost
Looks like they both have a new PR strategy for exiting this mess, lay low, but not really, just let everyone think they are suddenly so private.
@mia:
If you bothered to read what Halperin said at the time to In Touch, he said “People can live with this condition until they’re 100″ but he predicted that Michael would be dead within six months from everything he was going through (prescription drug addiction, various ailments, etc.) He also wrote in late January that Michael was being treated successfully with injections of a substance derived from human protein that are successful in keeping Alpha 1 under control and correcting the deficiency. Before the O2 concerts were announced, he said Michael was in negotiations to do a concert for a Russian billionaire on the Black Sea. He said the treatments were successful and Michael was well enough to perform but that he couldn’t sing, so he would lip synch. He later quoted sources inside Michael’s camp that said he was anorexic in his final weeks. Ian wrote in the Daily Mail that “whatever the autopsy results reveal, it was greed that killed Michael Jackson,” blaming the vultures and enablers that forced jackson to do a tour he couldn’t handle physically or mentally.
@harikari girl:
Hi HK Girl – I found your information illuminating and will have to rethink my conclusions as I did think he was guilty. But it is good to know this may not be true and that MJ was “set up” so to speak.!
@Kate:
Hi Kate: Well, it didn’t take her long to parade the kids in front of the cameras again …. tons of paparazzi just waiting uninvited in a garage, for her and the girls to leave the dance studio… yeah sure … molto sly…did you see her pregnancy dress she puts on just for the fun of it ?
Yea, I was wondering what’s up with the moomoo dress too. The girls as always look really unhappy. But AJ just had to let us know she is with the family in LA.
Since you obviously didn`t get what I meant I will make it a bit more obvious: There was NO mention of a damaged lung as caused by Alpha 1 in the autopsy results. Ergo Jackson didn`t have Alpha 1. He most likely died because he was given Demerol and anasthesia that is only used in hospitals. It also looks like his doctor waited a bit too long (30 minutes!) before he called the ambulance.
@Tamara:
That is decidedly an ugly dress! and I read somewhere that evil Ms. Jolie has about 10 more just like it!
Maybe Shiloh and Zahara dont know how to smile since I have never seen a picture with them smiling – sad little girls they are. Wonder about them missing-in-action twins!
Yup, there she is doing her quick walk to her car with her girls. She gives just enough to let you know she is in LA with the family. If you look at the film there are practically no cars in the parking garage. I’m sure she could have parked closer to the entrance. But then we wouldn’t have got a good glimpse of her or the girls. Just a thought, why is shiloh wearing cleats if she was coming from dance class. I wish she would dress that kid in nicer clothes.
So the latest quickie headline news report that I read re MJ says that his doctor – Dr. Murray (I think) is not licensed in California to give any type of prescription drugs as his DEA license in two other states does not apply to California. This might get interesting after all.
I am also coming around to this way of thinking after hearing about the insurance company forcing Michael to settle. Then there was Macauley Culkin’s evidence at the trial which was pretty credible, and MJ’s response to the allegations in that video. He seemed genuinely horrified by it. I’m not 100% convinced yet but I’m heading that way. What a shame that his reputation was so blighted by it until the day he died if it wasn’t true.
Re: those pics of Ange, Shiloh has changed quite a lot and I’m trying to gauge who she looks like. I think she looks more like a blonde version of Ange as a child. She doesn’t look so much like Brad to me any more. And Ange seems to have gained a considerable amount of weight. I wonder why that might be….?!
No insurance company is paying 15 million dollars out of their own pockets as there is simply no insurance that covers bribing possible victims of child molestations! Nor can any insurancxe company FORCE anyone to pay that enourmous amount of money without his agreement! This is nuts. This is just another insane claim that Ian made. One of many. Just like the one that his lungs were ruined from Alpha 1 although there was NO mention of that in the autopsy report. See below:
. Michael Baden, chief medical examiner for the state of New York, told FOXNews.com that because the California coroner’s office did not mention any health conditions or trauma, it is safe to assume that the singer was abusing drugs in a manner that led to his ultimate death.
“One can reasonably speculate [that drugs are to blame] since the initial autopsy findings made no mention of an injury or trauma to the body and no mention of natural disease,” Baden, who recently performed the private autopsy of actor David Carradine, told FOXNews.com. “The fact that they didn’t say anything about it indicates he did not have a bad heart.”
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
In the last Daily Mail article that IAN did he talks about this, he has a copy of the insurance papers, that was on Sunday , wasn’t it? The one that mentions there may be a third will.
Is anyone watching his memorial, very nicely done, I am a little miffed as to why Liz Taylor felt MJ would not want something like this. Oh Lord, singing now , “Father help your children” wonder if Joe is listening, Christian song , not aimed at him but I am sure it must touch his heart. Regardless of how anyone feels about Michael you just can not but feel the intense emotion of this service, how much he was loved. It is a shame he did not really and truly know that before he died. I feel for his mother today, if anyone truly and unconditionally loved him, besides his children, it is her.
I wonder if Brad or Jolie are watching this , and suddenly realizing neither of them are even remotely close to being this famous or this loved. While Brad might be big enough to cause such drama in the media, Angelina would only in the sense she would be thought of as another lost soul as ANS. I truly hope she deos not end up like she did. Somehow I think she may be too shrewd though to allow people to control her like that, but maybe this will be a wakeup call on the drugs. The fact that she has said she feels she will die young as her mother did is a concerning thought.
The girls are just adorable, so nice to see some interaction between. Shiloh looks like a little character in some of those pictures. Zahara, we know is already. Brad taught her to stick her tounge out like that at the paps, remember that pic? It was in Manhattan leaving a park, he did it too. Funny though, Pax got in trouble for doing it in Venice. Double standard for little girls I guess. My hubby was like that, Princess could do no wrong, lol (and never really did, a model child) ,but still, yet my thrill seeker arty son had to watch his step. They ended up the best of friends so I should not complain, but as a mom I could never get it.
Shiloh does not look really anything at all like Angelina did at that age, Keane , have you seen the family pictoral that People did when Shiloh was one year old? It is still online. There is a picture of Angelina and James with their parents and they both have round deep set eyes, her hair was a dirty blond, she was thin like Zahara. Body structure very different, and her eyes no where close to hers. She got her moms lips, and looks an awful lot like Jon Voight now. I wonder if that bothers her. I know a mom that was indifferent to her toddler because he looked exactly like daddy, and they had divorced. sad.
Brad’s pictures of him are in that pictoral also when he was about that age, and her eyes look closer to his. She has his mouth (not lips) the slack jaw expression, and I suppose we will see if the twins still have that soon, or Knox. In the Japan pic he looked so much like Brad, despite this lastest insider claiming that the twins are not his, that they are not his, and she did not carry them.
I agree she did not carry them, but Viv looks like her and Knox does look like him. I remember there was a time when I asked (here) if one of the twins was not Brads, and the thought was there was something up with one twin, both hers, but not both his. IAN said his source said that one biological is not his, and that he adopted one. The other insider over there is saying that. Not a insider imo, probably someone who read that here. The other one is me/well/margarita one of them, but she did say in her last post that she loved Brad and Jen, that she loved Jane and missed her very much. It is strange to read it because she tries to make the whole exchange sound like she does not know any of them, until she is forced to. Time will tell if there is any truth to it, if Brad and Jen are reconciling. That would definitley be the ultimate slap in the face to Angelina , and for no other reason but that , I would celebrate. Agree, would take a huge conspiracy for the twins both to be niether of theirs,and Shiloh as well. It would also defy common sense, if he wanted to leave years ago, there really would have been nothing to hold him. To ask anyone to believe they used someone elses sperm for her to get pregnant when his divorce was not even final is ridiculous. jmo of course. Stranger things have happened though, and if indeed he was sleeping with AJ since mid 2003 then who knows, but to think he boinked her in 1998, then a few months later hooked up with Jen, married her, and then went back to AJ, and now back to Jen, all I can say is, say what? lol nahh.
@d:
bb14. I watched the video of Brad on the same page. My god what a creep he is. I felt sorry for the driver he was just asking him about his bike, Brad said I’ll walk this is not an interview. I would have thrown him out. What a jerk Brad is does he think the world stands still for him.
bb14. From what I have read he favours Zahara more than Shilo, maybe he knows shilo’s not his, there has been a lot talk as to what is exactly his and not. Maybe JLM is right, maybe she is his. I mean who knows what AJ has been climbing into.
The type of insurance that MJ would have had would have been umbrella personal liability insurance, and he probably had TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars of coverage that would apply to claims against him. I was the personal accountant (and in charge of insurance) for a wealthy family who were not remotely famous, and they had $30 million in umbrella liability coverage just because wealthy people tend to get sued/threatened with lawsuits much more easily than those who have little means to pay damages. As the entity paying, it would definitely have been the insurance company’s decision on whether to settle or go to trial.
A true example: I sat on a jury for a personal injury trial (injuries resulting from a car accident). The insurance company is the one that decided to fight the claim and forced the driver who caused the wreck to go to court even though he wanted to settle. Yes, I know that for a fact – we had barely started deliberations when a settlement was worked out, and afterward we spoke to the lawyers who told us they were working for the insurance company. {And frankly it was obvious to me from the jury box that the driver was miserable and didn’t want to fight the claim.}
And for the record, the man suffered a torn rotator cuff (and was in so much pain the drivers of the other 3 cars in the wreck all thought he was having a heart attack). He was a carpenter, older but still working, and was forced to quit working from the injury. The settlement was for $80k.
Just a general addendum: Insurance companies are very, very powerful in the U.S. Don’t ever mistakenly believe otherwise. It was mainly insurance companies who fought to get looser regulations so they could expand their businesses into financial products previously only under the purview of banks. I worked in the investment management subsidiary of an insurance company and we were repeatedly asked to support PAC’s to lobby for the changes to the banking laws of 1934.
Constant Gardner, if you are around, I’m sure you probably have some good examples of insurance companies and their diabolical plots.
And the insurance company of the family you worked for used the insurance money to bribe possible victims that wanted to sue family members? Now I doubt that!
Bribe? Or pay a “reasonable sum” to help the alleged victim get on with his life without all of the angst of a trial?
Companies and individuals makes settlements (details confidential, of course) quite often “without an admission of guilt” to get problems to go away. A lot of times the settlement amount is cheaper than the cost of going to court.
I don’t know what your life experience is, but some of the statements you have made regarding how you think things work seem very naive to me.
Trust me, life and the rules are very different for the wealthy.
Apart from the fact that the 15 million dollars were seen as an admission of guilt by most people. It was the start of the downfall of Micheal Jackson!
@TobyKat:Insurance companies grew out of the protection rackets involving shipping of goods, i.e. pay me so nothing happens to your ship. MJ was screwed either way. If you think about the time of the 1st settlement, while the activities may have stopped short of intercourse or a blow job, there were enough unacceptable behaviors being displayed by a 30+ year old man that even if he was aquitted people would still consider him guilty of sexual perversion.
@mia:
Mia, 15 million is nothing when you’re dealing with a client whose fortune is 500 milllion +. Actually, much more than that if you add the Beatles catalog which is assessed at up to 1 billion dollars!! Jackson was at his height – he was not the in debt guy that he later became.
@Different Guest:
Agreed. There was some very questionable behaviour that I can’t understand. However, I would need to know more to form an abosolute opinion. Part of me believes that MJ’s affection towards children was truly innocent. He had such an f*cked up childhood that he wanted in someway to re-live it somehow. Part of me believes since he was abused as a child that he would rather die than hurt a child. Now, that said I do agree that he crossed the line in some of the things that he did such as sharing his bed with children ect.
@benjaminbutton14:
Hi benjamin… have you noticed that she likes to wear her Mother Hubbard dresses when parading the kids around……….these mission dresses are supposed to make us believe she is into the Birkenstock lifestyle…lol
@Different Guest:
Again, I am not naive I just don’t know all of the facts. Were the kids that accused him of those things credible or “coached”. Was there abuse or was it a witch hunt, ( Think Jon Benet Ramsey case, the police/procecuter had their minds made up the parents were the gulity ones) I don’t know any thing about a secret room. But, i would think if there were enough children to verify the wine, room, porn ect. the DA could have procecuted him on several charges.
@TobyKat:If I recall correctly, the statute of limitations had run on the kids they interviewed to corroborate the last kid’s story. The secret room has been documented on one of the sites had pictures of Neverland and had it in there. I think one or more of the child actors said he’d shown him/them books of erotica.
Just want to say that up to this night I really thought they couldn’t possibly be his biological children. But after seeing clear pictures of his children on huffingtonpost.com, I’ll maybe change my mind. Especially the last picture showing Blanket’s profile is very convincing. Blanket is a total cutie btw. Paris’ speech broke my heart.
@TobyKat:The most damning thing to me was Lisa Marie Presley’s refusal to testify for him. I seem to recall some comments during the “marriage” that her children were never in residence with him.
They’re replaying highlights on CNN, and other stations. I missed most of the earlier broadcast. As these things happen, all of a sudden, I start getting calls and messages. So it’s good to have recaps.
Surprised at Marlon having had a twin brother.
Beautiful performance by Jennifer Hudson, and company.
Moving references to THE LITTLE PRINCE by Brooke Shields.
On TCM (Turner Classic Movies) they’re paying tribute to Stewart Granger. It’s his month. Most of the movies I’ve already seen as I’ve been a fan for a long time.
Anyway, there’s a conflict today for someone who doesn’t have more than one tv set. But am confident we’ll see and hear more of Michael Jackson, in addition to what I’ve already taped.
As for the children. It’s hard to comprehend all the vicissitudes. Guess I’ll need more input from those in the know.
I am working the daily crossword on Yahoo and one of the clues is “hapless”. It’s a five letter word but neither “BPitt” nor “BradP” would work. Turns out the word is “inept”. Just want you to know I thought of you when I saw “hapless”!
@TobyKat:
Thanks for the link. I think the stuff she was talking about was the drug abuse/addiction. Of course, she didn’t break her silence on that until after Michael died, but she did say on her blog that that was what did their marriage in. That she was drowning trying to save him and that he had asked about her father’s death since she had been in Graceland when Elvis actually died. And she then stated that MJ said he feared it would the same for him.
So as for not having her children there, it could very well have had nothing to do with improprieties with children and all to do with a drug addicted MJ and the pharmaceuticals being in the residence. After all, Lisa Marie was in her father’s house when he died and was very scarred by it and grew up knowing that he had OD’ed. That’s more than enough reason not to want to potentially repeat the pattern with your own kids… Just a theory.
@too curious:
Thanks too curious! Glad to know someone is thinking good thoughts about me! And lady and bert also say “good morning” to Blue! Of course they both are at home sleeping (oops, meant “on guard duty”) while I am slaving my life away to keep them in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed!
@Different Guest:
Hi Different Guest – are you saying that Lisa Marie Presley is also a member of the bogus “church” of scientology? If there is absolutely nothing else in a positive vein that I can say about evil Ms. Jolie it is that she is NOT a member of that awful “church.”
@ladybert62:Yes, from childhood, I believe Priscilla was sucked in around the time of the breakup with Elvis. There were rumors around the time that LMP married MJ that the goal was to get their hands on the Beatles catalog. The only way to have done that was to have a child with him. With all the alleged drug use, makes one wonder if he could have gotten someone pregnant. That’s one of the reasons I’m inclined to believe the molestation stories (or at least inappropriate sexual behavior) I don’t ever recall hearing anyone bring a paternity case against MJ.
Hey couldn’t find your comment about Jolie visiting the war heroes in the hospital, but just wanted to respond to it. I think Ange has a very deliberate PR strategy in place at the moment which is designed to help her appeal more to the middle America market. The interview that she gave to Ann Curry on refugees was deliberately dumbed down and her answers oversimplified to appeal to this audience I reckon. Her line that we should help refugees because they are “fleeing from extremism” was a massive over-simplification and obviously designed to tie in with the notion of fighting terrorism which is accepted and popular amongst conservative America. At the beginning of the film, before the interview when she was walking aroung talking to Ann Curry she definitely said something like “refugees are amazing”. I was like WTH???? “Refugees are amazing”? Like they’re some sort of race of people no matter where they are around the world and they’re all just like, really, really cool?! A bit later on she said something like “talking to a refugee is like talking to one of my girlfriends”, I was like Jesus, does this woman have a brain in her head? Refugees aren’t a homogenous group of people no matter what nationality, race or religion they are simply because they happen to be fleeing from somewhere, how can she make these gross over-simplifications? But I think what she is trying to do is to appeal to the conservative-minded part of America by saying words to the effect of “oh refugees are just like you and I, they’re one of us” etc. This visit to see the war vets confirmed it for me. The only question remaining to me now is, is she doing it to try to keep people on side when the split from Brad is announced, or is she trying to garner support for a future political career, or both? What I can say is there has definitely been a significant change of strategy – less Europhile, arrogant intellectual and moral superiority, more dumbing herself down to appeal to the masses. Anyone else?
I agree. And I really, really hope middle America is starting to catch on, but you can’t count on people to see beyond the “show.” Then again, how many people have time to analyze everything presented to them in this day and age?
@ladybert62:Their stated goal is world domination – and the best way to achieve that is to control media. That’s why they went Jamie Packer who inherited his father’s australian media empire. @Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:crazydaysandnights.net – the entertainment lawyer does reveals of his blinds on New Years Day and the 4th of July he had a blind about a celebrity who went to the VA and gave everyone $1,000 and one who just went to visit with the patients, AJ gave the $1000. I believe it was Jack Nicklson who just spent time with them. I don’t think AJ really understands that you don’t have to buy people and in the end they will think less of you.
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
We have been speculating for some time on this site that evil Ms. Jolie has her eyes set on a political prize – so maybe, two scenarios here (since I am incredibly bored at work): (1) evil Ms. Jolie teams up with crawlin-Palin for some type of new and totally undereducated political party/goal; or, (2) evil Ms. Jolie decides to run for the governor of Alaska to replace crawlin-Palin. Dang, the jokes are endless if those two ever teamed up! (Plus, maybe evil Ms. Jolie has her eyes on hunky Todd). Cant help myself today – am tried of the Jackson death-fest and no brangelina bashing for months now!
@ladybert62:Palin and Jolie could never work together – they both want to be on top. I think she’s definitely trying to buy her way into (or out of) something. I really don’t think she’ll succeed. Her downfall is going to be her children. I’ve said this before – I’ve noticed a distinct change in the people who supported her, it’s now just the loons. The young mothers now understand what having kids and the importance of stability in their lives.
To me it’s interesting that we aren’t seeing photo’s of either of them with all the kids – to me says they can’t handle more than two kids at a time. This does not bode well for the children.
@Different Guest:
You are absolutely right! What a cat fight that would be (evil Ms. Jolie and crawlin-Palin)! You are also right that I have not seen any photo with them together (other than the horrible Cannes pictures) and I have not seen any with either her or him with all the kids! They have gone their separate ways! Wish Mr. Ian would give us some info!
Wow, she really did that? She went to visit each patient in the hospital ward and when she left she left a $1000 in cash on their bed? Do you think she was getting the VA mixed up with somewhere else…?!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Dear evil Ms. Jolie – We need money to put in a well and a sewage system for our Oregon land – please send us some money ($1,000 bills are acceptable) – by the way, just like those in Ms. Keane’s post, mom is occasionally ill and just because she is not in the hospital at the moment does not mean we are rich! So please send your contributions to Ladybert62 c/o ianundercover.com! And mom really respects you for not being a member of COS! Thanks evil Ms. Jolie – xoxo Lady and Bert! (Mom does not know we sent this to you so please dont tell her )
Oh LadyB, so funny as ever! You really need your own satirical column somewhere. Your characterisations of all these frauds really does make me guffaw!
And re: Palin, I was only thinking the other day when I was reading that article that I linked people to that Palin and Jolie are like two peas in a pod. Both have their eyes on the main prize, both have made a career based on their looks, both are uneducated and have a very limited understanding of the way the world works, both are utterly superficial and desperate for attention, grandeur and fame. Oh and both are terrible narcissists of course. But I also thought that I bet Palin is a severe pain in the neck for Jolie. She has her sights set on the top job and being the first female President and has more experience and chance of getting it than the politically inexperienced AJ does at this stage. Wouldn’t Angie be pissed if Palin stole her thunder and beat her to the prize of being the first hot female American president!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
You hit the nail on the head again Keane! Evil Ms. Jolie and crawlin-Palin (I have no idea where that came from or even what it means) are so similar to me – they are probably twins separated at birth! What a dangerous duo they would make if they ever teamed up! Maybe crawlin-Palin has decided to give evil Ms. Jolie a run on the Hollywood set – they also have comparable acting skills. snark, snark
Yes I must admit dear Angelina I have a terrible problem with short-sightedness and rather desperately require laser eye surgery. Any $1000 bills you may like to leave on my bed would be highly acceptable to me. Please send to Keane’s Bed c/o http://www.ianundercover.com. Thanks in advance for your generosity. Anyone else need anything paid for? I hear Angelina is most obliging.
“crawlin-Palin” is just so blimming hilarious, I have no idea what it means either but it sounds so appropriate! It makes me imagine Palin as a sneaky, creeping cartoon character with oversized glasses deisgned to give her x-ray vision to be used for dastardly purposes – is that what it makes you think of?! I think all this reading of historical novels has given you a great imagination Ms LadyB!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Dear Keane – you will probably get it instead of me since you were able to get Ian’s site to appear in red! Well then I am going to resort once again to the proclamation I made on a previous thread that I am – are you ready – Blanket’s mom! Yes, as I explained previously the repressed memory of that event has returned (it came back to me last week when I was having some documents notarized) and so I am going to have to press my claim against the Jackson Estate for my share of their gazilions! After all, if he paid $15 million to keep someone else quiet, my piddling request for $25,000 is not even half-of-a-drop in that family’s bucket. So please send the “shut-my-mouth” money to Ladybert62 at http://www.ianundercover.com (how did you get it in red??)!
@ladybert62:
Hey – thanks Ian, it appeared in red. So please let me know when my money from evil Ms. Jolie and/or the Jackson Estate arrives – I will willingly give you a high percentage of the gross amount received!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Thanks Keane – your description fits my imagination perfectly! Yes those historical novels tend to do it me as do all the wonder murder mysteries that I consume like jellybeans! My husband does have a gun but he wont tell me where it is since he knows what happens when I say “bloody hell!” ha ha
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:Not on the bed in a gift basket. I don’t think we really have to worry about Palin, when the going gets tough she quits. She might get elected but I doubt she’d last more than six months as President.
That’s kind of the image it conjures up though doesn’t it? Nice to meet you, sorry to hear about the leg, I best be going, here’s a few hundred dollars to make you feel better etc. I’m sorry but I just find it incredibly patronising to give out wads of cash to injured war vets. Donate to the facility or a charity set up to help war vets yes, but giving each one of them $1000 like she is Father Christmas to me is really inappropriate. Maybe some of these people did not feel comfortable directly accepting money from someone like that, I know I wouldn’t. That’s what made me think of a punter leaving a hooker some bills on the bed. It cheapens it to me.
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:Exactly, it also makes me think it was PR rather than I just wanted to stop by and say hi. Too bad for her that Jack Nicholson had been there also and didn’t need to resort to buying people. Although I woudn’t mind a few bucks. AJ if your reading you can give $13,000 a year in the U.S. and neither of us has to pay taxes on it.
Too funny Ms LB! I’m going to have to think of something someone needs to make me shut up about too so I can get some “shut-my-mouth” money, I REALLY need that eye surgery. In the meantime, all donations should be forwarded to Keane’s Bed c/o http://www.ianundercover.com as ever. All doantions gratefully accepted!
Perhaps we should just set up a joint charitable fund for all regular posters at IUC? We can distribute funds evenly between us then. I’m sure Ange won’t let us down, great philanthropist that she is!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:No you don’t. The laser eye surgery industry has swept a lot of problems under the rug. However, if you insist, only do one eye at time, and wait at least a year between surgeries. When my opthmologists have refused to do it themselves, that’s a big warning.
SCOOP – SCOOP! You read here it first folks! Evil Ms. Jolie and what’s his name (the male side of that Posh Spice Girl couple whose name is Beckham or something like that) is going to make commercials with evil Ms. Jolie! Yes, she is now selling perfume (oh the joke possibilites are endless – stop me please before I make myself ill laughing) and he is selling sometype of clothing (I always see him half naked so what part of the body-beautiful is he selling clothes for?) – anyway, they are going to make “family friendly” commercials togther to sell “stinks and links” – (perfume and clothes in ladybert lingo) – get ready to laugh big time when these start hitting the airwaves or the newspaper waves! What do hapless and “the she side of Posh Spice Girl” think of the Lips meeting the Muscles?
Yes to be honest I was just joking. I did go for a consultation for laser eye surgery at a place where they were offering to do it for as little as £395 per eye! That was quite deceptive though as when you got there you realised that would only get you the most budget form of their surgery – who is ever going to pick the budget option for their eyesight! In reality it would have cost more like £2000. But I thought the whole idea that you could choose how good a job you wanted doing on your eyes was really dodgy and my optician agreed (she’s the leading clinician in her area of expertise in the UK so I totally trust what she has to say). The practice doesn’t have a negative attitude to surgery but it does assess your suitability for it and recommends which surgeons should do it (and they are much more expensive, about £5,500 in total). There are potential problems that can develop as well which the consultant at the first place gave me no info on whatsoever. You can get lights or blurs appearing in your eyes as a result of surgery and if your sight deteriorated in the future you wouldn’t be able to wear contacts again because the shape of the eyeball would have been altered. I was like, well if they’d told me that I’d have said no way! So for now I’m stcking with the contacts and the glasses! I will definitely be having 3 teeth implants in the future as I have 3 baby teeth that will eventually come out and there is no adult tooth to replace them. That’s going to cost me about £4500 and that’s quite a reasonable price! I’m crossingmy fingers you don’t have any horror stories about that (I am already dreading having to have screws drilled into my jaw as it is – ouch!).
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
If I get laser eye surgery can I change my brown (well hazel actually as in green with gold specks) eyes blue! I always wanted blue eyes and now maybe evil Ms. Jolie can finance them for me? Is that even possible?
I actually heard that Ange was working with Vicky Beckham to put a perfume out somewhere before but found it hard to believe! Well, I have to say I think it is highly appropriate though, it’s what everyone who is famous for being famous or whose real career went off the boil years ago does to make a quick buck after all! Oh Ange, how far you have fallen and so soon! Oh and as for her and Becks, my answer is: yes, probably!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Wait a minute – I thought Britain had socialized medicine! Doesnt that mean you get all this for free? We Yanks are trying copy your approach to medicine but now you are saying you have to PAY FOR IT! Dang, thats not how I understood “socialized health care” to work!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
From the very little I know about the “Becks”, I cannot imagine the lovely Ms. Posh lying low while evil Ms. Jolie does “the man” – or are they all into threesomes or could it be that evil Ms. Jolie and Ms. Posh are a couple?
You don’t need a donation to the IUC charitable fund from the Jolie-Pitt Foundation for that my friend, just make like Paris and get yourself some blue contacts! Famewhores will always provide a solution to all of life’s major problems I find!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Just do like I do Keane – when I was told I had to wear glasses in addition to contacts, I said – “no way Jose” and dumped the contacts. So now I have bifocals (you too can acquire that “ancient wise woman” look in a second by putting on old-lady specs) that I switch with my computer glasses that I switch for my very long-distance glasses. Just think you too could actually have 4 different eye prescriptions – but think of the fashion possibilities! You could have a different set of four to match all of your different shoes!
NHS doesn’t cover dental work unless you are certain benefits, are a minor, or a student. It is subsidised by he NHS but people find it very difficult to find an NHS dentist in a lot of areas, lots of people are forced to go privately. And cosmetic dentistry is not covered at all. I think the NHS might subsidise a bridge to fill a gap in your teeth but they would not pay for a transplant. That would have to be private. That’s why Brits say Yanks have much better teeth than us, because they mainly have medical insurance that covers cosmetic dentistry. It’s so annoying for someone like me though. I’ve never been admitted to a hospital in my life or had anything significant done as an outpatient, but if I did it would all be paid for. It’s just my luck that I was born without 3 adult teeth and I have to bloody pay for those!
Becks is a notorious philanderer. Posh puts up with it and takes revenge by going on a shopping spree on his credit card. Beckalina is a fait accompli!
Good lord, if I ever get to that stage I am most definitely going for the knife option! At the moment I am only on -3.25 so have a few good years left in the old pair yet! Although I do like the idea of getting as many pairs of specs as I have shoes. Although it has to be said I have A LOT of shoes!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Think of the positive side (as my hubby is always trying to convince me to do) – with eyesight as bad as mine – the fastest way to clean my house is to take off my glasses!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Your situation sounds like a good argument AGAINST the health care plan that “he-disappointed-me Obama” is trying to convince us to do (no sale here Obama – sorry).
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:-3.25! Try -12.0 and -11.5, I’m going to dump the bifocals, they drive me nuts and go back to single vision and old lady glasses on a chain.
Dental Insurance is very expensive here, unless it’s an employer paid benefit. It’s really stupid we don’t cover dentistry because a lot of future health show up first in the mouth. As my hygienist said there is no difference between the plaque on your teeth and the plaque in your heart.
Speaking of health issues, I wonder how Ms. Patty Anne is doing today. She was suppose to have had her spinal surgery on Monday. Am sending “good vibrations” (you have got to get out of the 60’s Ladybert!) to PattyAnne and hoping you join us here again soon.
@Different Guest:
Good for you Different Guest – I hate my bifocals (I keep tripping since of them)! I like your dental hygienist’s quote and I think there has been recent research on the subject to back that up! And now “he-disappointed-me Obama” wants to nationalize health care by taxing employer provided health benefits and I have to pay those taxes – this will not pass by me and other Americans as soon as they figure out that this is his plan will revolt also!
There is no famous person who can not be found an appropriate epithet by Lady B it seems! I wonder what would happen if Crawling-Palin and “he-disappointed-me” Obama met up for tea with The Evil Ms Jolie, hapless and “stranger-in-a-strange-land” Madonna and “even-stranger-in-a-strange-land” Michael Jackson (God rest his soul)? Do you think they’d play musical chairs and switch around their epithets? We might end up with “he-disappointed me” Ms Jolie, crawling-Madge and stranger-in-a-strange-land hapless or something like that. It could get crazy! No we must never let these people ever be in the same room together, epithet chaos would ensue!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Thats a good one Keane! Yes all these characters are like little cartoon peeps to me and I just cannot stop myself from categorizing them into little lump sums of digits! And even though I occasionally refer to Mr. Ian as “SpaceCadet Ian” – that is actually meant as a compliment since I thought he looked cute in that Spaceman suit with the Cirque de Soleil owner’s head attached in the handheld helmet! Oh well, passes the time to think up these little epithets! Glad you enjoy them Keane-Supreme!
@ladybert62:
There are ‘permanent’ and ’semi-permanent’ solutions out there for changing the colour of your eyes. There’s a doctor in Brazil who is putting in ‘permanent irises’ – you can either choose green or blue. Now there’s supposedly a doctor in Panama that is also doing the same surgery. You go under the knife starting with brown eyes and come out with blue. However, the results seem really basic at this point – fakish on some.
Also, there’s eye drops that will change your eye color – some are using them – even though the FDA has not inspected them yet, so who knows how safe they are. Change brown eyes to green, green eyes to blue, etc.
All that said, I’d stick to contact lenses if I were you.
@harikari girl:
Me too – I was just joking as I have always stuck with what I have (or have not!) But changing someone and giving them permanent irises – that is a shocker to me! You could not pay me to have that done and I never heard of the eye drops that change ones eye color. Amazing that things I learn on this site – absolutely amazing. Thanks HariKari Girl – I will just stick with the hazel highlighted by blood-shot whites! Ha ha
LOL – Paris and I have see the same eye doctor – Dr. Moscot – who also has/had our favourite person as a client – AJ. He spilled by accident whilst trying to get me to change my eye color to grey. He was going on about how few people can get away with grey and then he brought up Angie and how freakish she had looked on a primetime interview the night before and said something like “I told her she couldn’t pull it off and she persisted and I just thought she looked awful last night with them. She should’ve stuck with the blue”. Then he realised how much he was talking about her and shut up promptly. However, it’s amazing how talkative and vivacious assistants get when you treat them nicely and not like peons. They told me that she was not confident with her natural green and had been wearing the blues for years to try and look more waspy or european. They said her natural eye color was beautiful but she worried about how they may look too dark sometimes when there wasn’t alot of light around. I guess in recent years, she hasn’t felt so insecure as she seems to be using her natural eye colour, but who the hell knows?
@harikari girl:amazing isn’t it what you can get when you are generally nice to people – whether it’s information or objects. That’s why it behooves celebs to be on their best behavior at all times, people are more inclined to talk about the negative than the positive.
I suspected she might be wearing contacts of one variety or another in recent years. Her eyes look very cool in colour and light most of the time. In her earlier films and in that drug den video for one they look much darker. The fact that Paris changes her eye colour from brown to blue I also find very bizarre. To me eye colour is a defining characteristic about someone’s appearance, it is how you identify people. Changing it from one colour to another to me is just so false and unnecessary, it’s not like dying your hair! It’s a shame that people can’t be happy with themselves as they are. And as for Ange, well what part of her is real then? Seems like she’s cosmetically altered everything!
Michael was a very sensitive, and publish your book as he began to surface was not very welcome. You make rumors he was gay, I think it’s pure evil, solely in order to demean and humiliate the man who has always done his best to proclaim peace in the world. Make your business on the back of someone else and stop soiling his name like so many other people have done for his life, until his death, he does not deserve that.
I advice you not do your film to tarnish the memory of Michael Jackson because I think it will cause a lot of fire at the cinemas. Furthermore I find it hard to believe that Michael was gay this would be the fruit of your imagination to an excess of wickedness? Or a way to make money? Because I can tell you that only God knows the truth and demand accountability. Anyone who makes the money, will pay in the future
Hi Crazyhell,
I would like to agree with you,
Only I think it’s still a insult to the pile of shit to call it Ian Halperin,
But for Ian Halperin it’s a compliment, that’s for sure!
This book, is there for one reason, to earn money, not too find out the truth,, cause there’s only one person who knowes it all, and he’s not here any more..
all the negative publicity, it makes me sad,, and he’s not even here too defent himself…
Well you know what they say,, this all says more about the people, then about him..
But i just wonder… did anybody really saw,listen en undestand???
all the hospitals, the children..
all the good things..
Man in the mirror? Earth song? Heal the world? they don’t care about us?
and those are just a few…
People,, things don’t happen cause they do, you have too learn,, please learn… and except averybody just for who they are..
And be gratefull for the things you have,.
I am happy that he did what he did..
I wonder.. what would we have missed if Mj never lived…………..
I think ALOT!!
You don’t have too be crazy about him. you don’t have too like him.. But respect him like you repsect your self..
also,
here are the accomplishments of Michael,
Ian what have you accompliced??
EAT THIS!!
AASA Awards
The African Ambassadors’ Spouses Association is an organisation that helps needy children in Africa. More than 55 countries are members, including several Arab countries.[4] In 2004, while facing child molestation charges, Jackson was awarded the Golden Elephant Award for his continuing humanitarian efforts.[5]
Year Nominated work Award Result
2004 Humanitarian endeavors Golden Elephant Award Won
[edit] American Cinema Awards
Jackson won the “Entertainer of the Decade” award in 1990 from the American Cinema Awards.[6]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1990 Entertainer of the Decade Won
[edit] American Music Awards
The American Music Awards is an annual awards ceremony created by Dick Clark in 1973. Picking up three awards in 1980, Jackson has collect 22 American Music Awards, including one for “Artist of the Century”.[7]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1980 Favourite Male Artist (Soul/R&B) Won
Off the Wall Favourite Album (Soul/R&B) Won
“Don’t Stop ’til You Get Enough” Favourite Single (Soul/R&B) Won
1981 Favourite Male Artist (Soul/R&B) Won
Off the Wall Favourite Album (Soul/R&B) Won
1984 Award of Merit Won
Favourite Male Artist (Pop/Rock) Won
Favourite Male Artist (Soul/R&B) Won
Thriller Favourite Album (Pop/Rock) Won
Thriller Favourite Album (Soul/R&B) Won
“Thriller” Favourite Single (Pop/Rock) Won
“Beat It” Favourite Video (Pop/Rock) Won
“Beat It” Favourite Video (Soul/R&B) Won
1986 Award of Appreciation Won
“We Are the World” (with Lionel Richie) Song of the Year Won
1988 “Bad” Favourite Single (Soul/R&B) Won
1989 Award of Achievement Won
1993 International Artist Award Won
Dangerous Favourite Album (Pop/Rock) Won
“Remember the Time” Favourite Single (Soul/R&B) Won
1996 Favourite Male Artist (Pop/Rock) Won
2002 Artist of the Century Won
[edit] American Video Awards
In 1984, Jackson won two American Video awards; Best Long Form Video and Best Home Video.[8]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1984 Best Long Form Video Won
Best Home Video Won
[edit] Bambi Awards
The Bambi is an annual television and media prize awarded by the German media company Hubert Burda Media. The Bambi was created in 1948.
In 2002, Jackson was honoured with a Bambi Award.[9]
Year Nominated work Award Result
2002 Pop Artist of the Millennium Won
[edit] BET Awards
The BET Awards have honoured Jackson with one award.[7] Jackson was also the first inductee into the BET Hall of Fame.[7]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1989 Bad World Tour BET Award Won
[edit] Hall of Fame
Year Nominated work Award Result
1995 Hall of Fame Inducted
[edit] Billboard Awards
The Billboard Music Awards, sponsored by Billboard magazine, was one of several annual United States music awards shows (among the others are the Grammy Awards, the American Music Awards and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony). It had been held annually in December until they went dormant in 2007.
Throughout his career, Jackson has won 40 Billboard-related awards.[10]
[edit] Billboard Music Awards
Year Nominated work Award Result
1972 Top Singles Artist of the Year Won
Top Male Singles Artist of the Year Won
1983 Pop Artist of the Year Won
Black Artist of the Year Won
Pop Album Artist Won
Pop Male Album Artist Won
Pop Male Singles Artist Won
Black Album Artist Won
Black Singles Artist Won
Pop Singles Artist Won
Dance/Disco Artist Won
Thriller Pop Album of the Year Won
Thriller Black Album Won
“Beat It” Dance/Disco 12″ LP Won
“Billie Jean” Dance/Disco 12″ LP Won
1984 Thriller Top Album Won
1988 Top Black Artist Won
Blues & Soul Won
Outstanding Artist of the Year Won
Best Live Show of 1988 Won
1989 Bad #1 Album (Pop/R&B) Won
1992 1992 World Artist Award Won
Commemoration for the 10th Anniversary of Thriller Won
Hot 100 Singles Artist (Male) Won
Hot R&B Singles Artist Won
Hot Dance Music Club Play Artist Won
Hot Dance Music Maxi-Single Sales Artist Won
1995 Special Hot 100 Award Won
“Scream” Video of the Year (Pop/Rock) Won
[edit] Billboard Music of the 80’s Poll
Year Nominated work Award Result
1990 Black Artist of the Decade Won
“Billie Jean” Black Single of the Decade Won
Thriller Black Album of the Decade Won
Thriller Pop Album of the Decade Won
[edit] Billboard Year in Music Survey
Year Nominated work Award Result
1980 Top Black Artist Won
Off the Wall Top Black Album Won
[edit] Billboard Video Awards
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 Best Performance by a Male Artist Won
“Beat It” Best Overall Video Won
“Beat It” Best Choreography Won
“Beat It” Best Use Of Video To Enhance Artist’s Song Won
“Beat It” Best Use Of Video To Enhance Artist’s Image Won
[edit] Black Gold Awards
Jackson was honoured with four Black Gold Awards in 1983.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 Top Male Vocalist Won
Thriller Best Album Won
“Billie Jean” Best Single of the Year Won
“Beat It” Best Video Performance Won
[edit] Blockbuster Entertainment Awards
In 1996, Jackson was awarded with a Blockbuster Entertainment Award.[12]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1996 Favourite Pop Male Won
[edit] BMI Urban Awards
Broadcast Music, Incorporated (BMI) is one of two major United States performing rights organization, along with ASCAP. It collects license fees on behalf of songwriters, composers, and music publishers and distributes them as royalties to members whose works have been performed.
They have awarded Jackson with four awards throughout his career.[7][13]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1990 1st Michael Jackson Award of Achievement Won
1993 “Black or White” & “Remember the Time” Two of the Most Performed Songs of the Year Won
2003 “Butterflies” BMI Urban Award Won
2008 The Jacksons BMI Icon Award Won
[edit] Bob Fosse Awards
Michael Jackson won a the Bob Fosse Award for “Best Choreography” in 1997.[9]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1997 Ghosts Best Choreography in a Music Video Won
[edit] Boy Scouts of America
Jackson was awarded with a humanitarian award, from the Boy Scouts of America, in 1990.[6]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1990 Humanitarian endeavors Good Scout Humanitarian Award Won
[edit] Bravo Magazine
Bravo is the largest teen magazine within the German-language sphere. The first issue was published in 1956, subtitled as “the magazine for film and television” („Die Zeitschrift für Film und Fernsehen“).
They have honoured Jackson with seventeen awards throughout his career.[7]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1988 Gold Otto Award Won
1989 Bronze Otto Award Won
1992 Gold Otto Award Won
1993 Gold Otto Award Won
1994 Gold Otto Award Won
1995 Gold Otto Award Won
1996 Gold Otto Award Won
Platinum Otto/Lifetime Achievement Award Won
Best Male Singer Won
Best Show Won
Nicest Singer Won
HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I Best Album Won
1997 Silver Otto Award Won
Best Show Won
3rd Best Looking Singer Won
HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I Best Album Won
1998 Silver Otto Award Won
[edit] Brazillian TVZ Video Awards
Jackson has been awarded with two Brazillian TVZ Awards.[12]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1995 “Scream” Best International Video of the Year Won
1997 “Blood on the Dance Floor” Best International Video of the Year Won
[edit] BRE Awards
Jackson won two BRE Awards in 1989, including a Triple Crown award.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1989 Triple Crown Award – King of Pop, Rock & Soul Won
Video of the Year Won
[edit] BRIT Awards
The BRIT Awards, often simply called “The BRITs”, are the British Phonographic Industry’s annual pop music awards. The name was originally a shortened form of British or Britannia, but has subsequently become a “backronym” for British Record Industry Trust.
They have awarded Jackson with seven awards, including the “Artist of a Generation” award.[7]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1984 Best International Solo Artist Won
Thriller Best British Album Won
1988 Best International Solo Artist Won
1989 Best International Solo Artist Won
Best International Artist (Male) Won
“Smooth Criminal” Best Music Video Won
1996 Artist of a Generation Award Won
[edit] British Phonographic Industry Awards
The British Phonographic Industry (BPI) is the British record industry’s trade association. Its membership comprises hundreds of music companies including all four ‘major’ record companies (Warner Music Group, EMI, Sony BMG, and Universal Music Group), associate members such as manufacturers and distributors, and hundreds of independent music companies representing thousands of labels.
They awarded Jackson with two awards.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1981 Off the Wall BPI Award Won
1989 Video of the Year Won
[edit] British TV Industry Awards
The British TV Industry awarded Jackson a “Artist of the Decade” award in 1989.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1989 Artist of the Decade Won
[edit] Bollywood Awards
In 1999, Jackson was honoured with a Bollywood Award for his contributions to humanitarianism.[9]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1999 Humanitarian endeavors Outstanding Humanitarian Award Won
[edit] Cable Ace Awards
Jackson has been honoured with two Cable Ace awards.[7]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1988 Outstanding Editing in a Musical Special Won
1994 Outstanding Musical Special Won
[edit] Canadian Black Music Awards
In 1984, Jackson collected four Canadian Black Music awards, including one for “Entertainer of the Year”.[8]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1984 Top Male Vocalist Won
Entertainer of the Year Won
Thriller Top International Album Won
“Billie Jean” Top International Single Won
[edit] Capitol Children Museum
Jackson was awarded with a humanitarian award, from the Capitol Children Museum, in 1990.[6]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1990 Humanitarian endeavors Humanitarian Award Won
[edit] Cashbox Awards
Cash Box (or Cashbox) magazine was a weekly publication devoted to the music and coin-operated machine industries which was published from July 1942 to November 16, 1996. It was one of several magazines that published charts of song popularity in the United States of America.
They have awarded Jackson 11 awards throughout his career.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1980 Off the Wall Soul Album of the Year Won
1981 Soul Album of the Year Won
1983 Number One Male Artist Won
Top Black Male Artist Won
Top Male Singles Artist Won
Top Black Male Singles Artist Won
Thriller Top Pop Album Won
Thriller Top Black Album Won
“Billie Jean” Top Pop Single Won
“Billie Jean” Top Black Single Won
1989 Video Pioneer Won
[edit] Celebrate the Magic Foundation
In 2002, Jackson was honoured with a humanitarian award, from the Celebrate the Magic Foundation.[9]
Year Nominated work Award Result
2002 Humanitarian endeavors Magic Life Award Won
[edit] Children’s Choice Awards
Jackson was a given a Children’s Choice Award in 1994.[14]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1994 Caring for Kids Award Won
[edit] Crenshaw Community Youth & Arts Foundation
Jackson was awarded with a humanitarian award, from the Crenshaw Community Youth & Arts Foundation, in 1994.[14]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1994 Humanitarian Award Won
[edit] Critic’s Choice Awards
The Broadcast Film Critics Association Awards, commonly called the “Critics’ Choice Awards”, are bestowed annually by the Broadcast Film Critics Association to honor the finest in cinematic achievement.
Critic’s Choice awarded Jackson the “Best Video” award in 1989.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1989 Best Video Won
[edit] Crystal Globe Awards
In 1984, Jackson was awarded a Crystal Globe Award for exceeding sales of over 5 million units.[8]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1984 Crystal Globe Award Won
[edit] Danish Grammy Awards
Michael Jackson won two Danish Grammy Awards in 1996.[12]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1996 Best International Male Artist Won
HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I Best International Album Won
[edit] Dutch Music Factory Awards
The Dutch Music Factory Awards gave Jackson an award for “Best Live Show”, in 1997.[9]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1997 Best Live Show Won
[edit] Ebony Magazine
Ebony is a monthly magazine for the African American market. It was founded by John H. Johnson and has been published continuously since the Autumn of 1945.
They awarded Jackson an award for “Black Achievement” in 1988.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1988 American Black Achievement Award Won
[edit] ECHO Awards
An ECHO is a German music award granted every year by the Deutsche Phono-Akademie (an association of recording companies). Each year’s winner is determined by the previous year’s sales. The ECHO is the successor to the Deutscher Schallplattenpreis (German Record Award).
Jackson was awarded with an ECHO award for “Best International Artist of the Year” in 1993.[14]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1993 Best International Artist of the Year Won
[edit] Entertainment Tonight
Entertainment Tonight is a daily television entertainment news show that is syndicated by CBS Television Distribution throughout the United States, Canada and in many countries around the world.
In 1989 they awarded Jackson with a award for “Most Important Entertainer of the Decade”.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1989 Most Important Entertainer of the Decade Won
[edit] Forbes Magazine
Forbes is an American publishing and media company. Its flagship publication, Forbes magazine, is published bi-weekly. The magazine is well-known for its lists, including its lists of the richest Americans (the Forbes 400) and its list of billionaires.
They have twice named Jackson as the “#1 Entertainer of the Year” based on earnings.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1988 #1 Entertainer of the Year Won
1989 #1 Entertainer of the Year Won
[edit] Friday Night Videos
Friday Night Videos have awarded Jackson with two awards, including one for “Greatest Artist of the Decade”.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1989 Greatest Artist of the Decade Won
Number One Artist Won
[edit] Genesis Awards
In 1996, Jackson was awarded with a Genesis Award for his environmental themed “Earth Song” music video.[12]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1996 “Earth Song” 1995 Doris Day Music Award Won
[edit] Golden Globe Awards
The Golden Globe Awards are presented annually by the Hollywood Foreign Press Association (HFPA) to recognize outstanding achievements in the entertainment industry, both domestic and foreign, and to focus wide public attention upon the best in motion pictures and television. The formal ceremony and dinner at which the awards are presented is a major part of the film industry’s awards season, which culminates each year with the Academy Awards.[15]
Jackson received a Golden Globe for his song, “Ben”, in 1972.[16]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1972 “Ben” Best Original Song Won
[edit] Grammy Awards
The Grammy Awards (originally called the Gramophone Awards)—or Grammys—are presented annually by the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences of the United States for outstanding achievements in the music industry. The awards ceremony features performances by prominent artists, and some of the awards of more popular interest are presented in a widely-viewed televised ceremony.
Since collecting his first Grammy Award, as a member of The Jackson 5, Jackson has won a total of eighteen awards throughout his career.[10] In 1984, he won a record eight Grammy Awards.[17]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1980 “Don’t Stop ’til You Get Enough” Best Male Vocal Performance (R&B) Won
1984 Thriller Album of the Year Won
“Billie Jean” Record of the Year Won
Thriller (with Quincy Jones) Producer of the Year Won
“Billie Jean” Best R&B Song Won
“E.T. – The Extra Terrestrial” Best Recording for Children (Narration) Won
“Thriller” Best Male Vocal Performance (Pop) Won
“Billie Jean” Best Male Vocal Performance (R&B) Won
“Beat It” Best Male Vocal Performance (Rock) Won
1985 The Making of Thriller Best Long Form Video Won
1986 “We Are the World” Song of the Year Won
“We Are the World” Record of the Year Won
“We Are the World” Best Pop Performance (Duo/Group) Won
“We Are the World” Best Short Form Music Video Won
1990 “Leave Me Alone” Best Short Form Music Video Won
1993 “Michael Jackson” Living Legend Award Won
1996 “Scream” Best Short Form Music Video Won
[edit] Grammy Hall of Fame
Two of Jackson’s albums were inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame in 2008.[18] The Jackson 5 song, “I Want You Back”, was inducted in 1999.[18]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1999 “I Want You Back” (with The Jackson 5) Grammy Hall of Fame Inducted
2008 Thriller Grammy Hall of Fame Inducted
2008 Off the Wall Grammy Hall of Fame Inducted
[edit] Guinness Book of World Records
The Guinness Book of World Records is a reference book published annually, containing a collection of world records, both human achievements and the extremes of the natural world.
Jackson has been awarded thirteen times by the Guinness Book of World Records.[17][19][20][21]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1984 Thriller The Best Selling Album of All Time Won
1993 Lifetime Achievement Award Won
2002 Ghosts Longest Music Video Won
The Making of Thriller Best Selling Music Video Won
The Jackson family Most Successful Pop Family Won
2006 Most Successful Entertainer of All Time Won
Youngest Vocalist to Top the US Singles Chart Won
Highest Paid Entertainer of all Time Won
First Entertainer to Earn More Than 100 million Dollars in a Year Won
First Entertainer to Sell More Than 100 Million Albums outside the US Won
Most Weeks at the Top of the US Album Charts Won
Thriller Most Successful Music Video Won
“You Are Not Alone” First Vocalist to Enter the US Single Chart at Number One Won
[edit] Harry Chapin Memorial
In 1995, Jackson won a humanitarian award from the Harry Chapin Memorial.[12]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1995 Humanitarian endeavors Humanitarian Award Won
[edit] Hollywood Walk of Fame
Jackson’s star on the Hollywood walk of fame, set in 1984The Hollywood Walk of Fame is a sidewalk along Hollywood Boulevard and Vine Street in Hollywood, Los Angeles, California, USA, that serves as an entertainment hall of fame. It is embedded with more than 2,000 five-pointed stars featuring the names of celebrities honored by the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce for their contributions to the entertainment industry.
Michael Jackson was the first celebrity to have two stars in the same category, one as a member of The Jacksons and another as a solo artist in 1984.[22] Jackson’s star is located between Highland Avenue and Orange Drive along with the stars of Mickey Mouse, Barbara Streisand, Nicole Kidman, Harrison Ford, Halle Berry, Elton John and Anthony Hopkins.[22]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1980 The Jacksons Hollywood Walk of Fame Star Won
1984 Michael Jackson Hollywood Walk of Fame Star Won
[edit] International Awards
As an international artist, Jackson has won fourteen awards from 10 different countries, including a National Honour of Merit from Gabon, Africa.[7]
[edit] Australia
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 Album of the Year Won
Single of the Year Won
[edit] Brazil
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 International Artist of the Year Won
[edit] Gabon
Year Nominated work Award Result
1992 National Honour of Merit Won
[edit] Greece
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 Record of the Year Won
[edit] Holland
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 Album of the Year Won
[edit] Italy
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 Artist of the Year Won
[edit] Japan
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 Artist of the Year Won
Album of the Year Won
Best Male Vocalist Won
[edit] The Netherlands
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 Album of the Year Won
Pop Culture News and Views by Journalist Ian Halperin
. Michael Baden, chief medical examiner for the state of New York, told FOXNews.com that because the California coroner’s office did not mention any health conditions or trauma, it is safe to assume that the singer was abusing drugs in a manner that led to his ultimate death.
“One can reasonably speculate [that drugs are to blame] since the initial autopsy findings made no mention of an injury or trauma to the body and no mention of natural disease,” Baden, who recently performed the private autopsy of actor David Carradine, told FOXNews.com. “The fact that they didn’t say anything about it indicates he did not have a bad heart.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529480,00.html?test=faces
So much for Ian`s claim that Micheal Jackson suffered from Alpha 1 which seriously damaged his lungs! It wouldn`t surprise me at all if the rest of his claims in the book are as false and unreliable as this one!
ReplyLooks like TMZ has the better sources! Hah!
He overdosed! Ian is a pile of shit!
ReplyI’m not a fan of Michael Jackson; but was very intrigued by him. He was the greatest entertainer I have observed. But there were the scandals, which tempered my appreciation.
I prefer the vocals of Elvis.
Interesting how dazzling were the costumes of great entertainers like MJ, Elvis, Liberace, and others.
ReplyThe cause of Jackson’s death will be drugs. Police, now Feds are not looking at any health problems; as it appears there were none. Michael was a hypochondriac, The Feds are now involved and as more people are being questioned, docs and lawyers, family and friends opening up, we are finding out the truth, that Jackson did not have a serious health problem responsible for his death. He was emotionally troubled, and from the sounds of it, very heavily addicted to drugs for some time. Anyone who knew him at all, would most likely know this. It’s why Marie Presley left him, why his lawyer is speaking out, why Gupta and Chopra are speaking out, and why charges will eventually be laid in this case. While murder was not the intent; an intend to addict this singer to drugs IMO, for money, to keep him under control and dependent on drugs, for money, to keep him in this state of chaos, worry, were the intent. It is obvious now that Michael Jackson came to his demise by a mixture of drugs, and most likely the most powerful one – Diprivan had a major impact.
Federal agents to join probe into Jackson’s death
July 1, 2009, 10:41 PM EST
LOS ANGELES (AP) — The investigation into Michael Jackson’s death deepened late Wednesday with word that federal authorities will step in to help local police take a look at Jackson’s doctors and his medications.
The Drug Enforcement Administration was asked to help the probe by the Los Angeles Police Department, a law enforcement official in Washington told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the investigation.
Following Jackson’s death, allegations emerged that the 50-year-old King of Pop had been consuming painkillers, sedatives and antidepressants.
http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=418576>1=28102
It gets more intriguing:
Michael Jackson pleaded for a powerful sedative for his persistent insomnia in recent months, according to a nutritionist working with the singer as he prepared for his comeback shows in London.
Cherilyn Lee, a registered nurse specialising in nutrition, said she received a phone call from Jackson four days before his death that made her fear he had obtained Diprivan or another drug to induce sleep.
Lee said Jackson, who died of a heart attack on Thursday, complained that one side of his body felt hot and the other cold, leading her to believe that “somebody had given him something that hit the central nervous system”.
“He was in trouble Sunday and he was crying out,” she told the Associated Press.
The celebrity website TMZ, which broke the news of Jackson’s death, reported that Diprivan was found at the singer’s house after he died. It said Diprivan, the brand name for propofol, a powerful drug delivered intravenously to anaesthetise people before surgery, was available only to medical personnel.
“There is no conceivable way this drug can be properly prescribed for home use,” an unnamed source told TMZ. Prolonged, high doses of propofol can lead to cardiac arrest.
Police have widened the circle of doctors they want to question about the medication Jackson was taking.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jul/01/michael-jackson-diprivan-sedative
Rest assured, charges will be forthcoming. Jackson’s lawyer had indicated that Jackson was into drugs worse than Anna Nicole, that he was in FINE HEALTH and points his fingers at the docs, and those close to him that helped him get the drugs, his enablers: responsible for his death.
Jackson’s death was due to a cocktail of drugs; and one extremley strong one it appears. He had insommnia, much like Elvis did, with all of those drugs, and a troubled mind, no question he’d have difficulty sleeping.
The police and Feds now involved; this is serious folks and does not even remotely suggest any physical ailment, this points to manslaughter. Doctors and possibly some people close to the singer will face charges. There must be several very worried docs and possibly friends who knew of his drug habit at this point.
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This pretty much tells the story now I’m afraid. Feds looking into this, docs saying Jackson was a hypochondriac, autopsy reports not pointing to health problems.
A few hours after Michael Jackson’s death, family attorney Brian Oxman spoke to CNN from the hospital, where he was with the Jackson family, whom he described as “sobbing” and “stunned.” He said he suspects drugs played a role in the 50-year-old singer’s death due to cardiac arrest (see video):
Michael has always been in fine physical condition. … This is not something that was unexpected … because of the medications which Michael was under. … The people who have surrounded him have been enabling him.
If you think the case with Anna Nicole Smith was an abuse, it’s nothing in comparison to what we have seen taking place in Michael Jackson’s life.”
http://www.examiner.com/x-264-Celebrity-News-Examiner~y2009m6d26-Family-attorney-compares-Michael-Jacksons-drug-use-and-enablers-to-Anna-Nicole-Smith-video
“I have had that happen with me with other celebrities in Hollywood. There’s a plethora of doctors in Hollywood, they’re drug peddlers, they’re drug pushers, they just happen to be having a medical license and I hope that this episode today, this tragic death of a great human being, will bring to light the huge problem we have in Hollywood with some of the medical establishment, the celebrity doctors, who not only initiate people into the drug experience, but then they perpetuate it so that people become dependent on them.”
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/26/michael.jackson/
Jackson’s ex-wife, Lisa Marie Presley, said in an online blog posted Friday that she was not surprised by Thursday’s news.
She said she divorced him in January 1996, after less than two years of marriage, because she was “in over my head in trying” to save Jackson “from the inevitable, which is what has just happened.”
Her blog can be found online at http://blogs.myspace.com/lisamariepresley
Brian Oxman, a former attorney for the Jackson family who was with the family in the hospital emergency room on Thursday, also expressed concern about medications the pop star was taking.
“I talked to his family about it, I warned them — I said that Michael is overmedicating and that I did not want to see this kind of a case develop,” Oxman told CNN’s “American Morning” on Friday.
He referred to Anna Nicole Smith, the former model and reality TV show star who died of an overdose in 2007.
“I said, ‘If that’s what’s going to happen to Michael, it’s all going to break our hearts.’ And my worst fears are here.”
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/26/michael.jackson/
Ex-producer slams Michael Jackson’s ‘criminal’ doctors
PARIS – Michael Jackson’s former producer and friend Tarak Ben Ammar on Friday denounced the late pop icon’s doctors as “criminals” and “charlatans” who had taken advantage of his hypochondria.
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/06/26/09/ex-producer-slams-michael-jacksons-criminal-doctors
Another source added: “Michael was convinced that if he didn’t perform in London he would die.
“He would say, ‘They will kill me’, but no one ever really understood who he was talking about. He seemed paranoid.”
His drug dependency was out of control as the singer once dubbed The Greatest Showman on Earth fell victim to a dark dread he had never experienced – stage fright.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2504275/If-I-dont-tour-theyll-kill-me.html
Apart from Demerol, he was taking Xanax, Zoloft, Paxil for anxiety and Prilosec.
The singer’s friend, Tarak Ben Ammar, said Michael was a hypochondriac and his biggest problem were various quacks who ‘treated’ him with necessary and unnecessary drugs.
http://www.javno.com/en-celebrities/jacko–if-i-dont-go-on-tour-theyll-kill-me_267820
Reply@Alif:
ReplyYour opening words sum my feelings up exactly!
Federal Agents involved at this point indicates it is now a criminal investigation. Jackson was healthy; but a hypochondriac and plagued by claims of child molestation which caused him mental anguish and no doubt contributed to his taking drugs. Doctors, and those close to him that enabled him in his drug addicitions and dependancy, as well as himself are responsible for his early demise. Jackson did not have any secret disease. With Feds now joining the investigation, it suggests they already have a clear cause of death and are investigating the who part, where these drugs came from.
‘Michael Jackson’s healthy body surprises investigators’
WASHINGTON – Investigators conducting autopsy on Michael Jackson’s body were surprised at how healthy the King of Pop was, a source has claimed.
http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/06/27/jackos-healthy-body-surprises-investigators-11981/
Michael Jackson camp denies health problems
Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:53am EST
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – A spokesman for Michael Jackson released a statement on Monday denying as a “total fabrication” a report claiming that the former King of Pop needs a lung transplant due to a rare respiratory disease.
The statement, attributed to Jackson’s “official and sole spokesperson, Dr. Tohme Tohme” and issued by Los Angeles firm Scoop Marketing, cites an interview with writer Ian Halperin in British newspaper the Sunday Express in which Halperin said Jackson was suffering from Alpha 1-antitrypsin deficiency.
Halperin, who is at work on an unauthorized biography of the singer, also claims Jackson can barely speak, suffers from emphysema and internal bleeding, and has lost 95 percent of the vision in his left eye.
“Concerning this author’s allegations, we would hope in the future that legitimate media will not continue to be exploited by such an obvious attempt to promote this unauthorized ‘biography,’” said the statement attributed to Tohme.
“The writer’s wild allegations concerning Mr. Jackson’s health are a total fabrication,” the statement said. “Mr. Jackson is in fine health and finalizing negotiations with a major entertainment company and television network for both a world tour and a series of specials and appearances.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSTRE4BM03920081223
Michael Jackson was made to take a 50-point health MOT to show he is fit enough for his sensational comeback.
The Thriller star, 50 – dogged by rumours of ill health – got the all-clear from docs for his £50million concerts at the O2 arena, East London, in June.
Jittery insurers ordered the tests over fears they’d be left out of pocket if his 10 gigs were scrapped.
A source said: “Every physical test under the sun was done to ensure all bases were covered.
An insider said: “The bosses were sweating he wouldn’t accept but he finally put pen to paper.”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/03/04/michael-jackson-has-50-medical-tests-to-prove-he-can-manage-02-arena-dates-115875-21171604/
In recent months, Lee said, Jackson waved away her warnings about it.
“I had an IV and when it hit my vein, I was sleeping. That’s what I want,” Lee said Jackson told her.
“I said, ‘Michael, the only problem with you taking this medication’ — and I had a chill in my body and tears in my eyes three months ago — ‘the only problem is you’re going to take it and you’re not going to wake up,” she recalled.
According to Lee, Jackson said it had been given to him before but he didn’t want to discuss the circumstances or identify the doctor involved.
Comedian Dick Gregory, who knows Lee and her work, said he believes Jackson’s insomnia had its roots in the pop star’s 2005 trial on child molestation charges.
Jackson obviously was healthy enough to withstand the level of medical scrutiny needed to insure him for the upcoming high-stakes London concerts, Gregory said. “That you don’t trick,” he said of the exams.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090701/ap_en_mu/us_michael_jackson_drugs
Feds join probe of Jackson’s drug use
By ASSOCIATED PRESS | Thursday, July 2, 2009
LOS ANGELES (AP) — The investigation into Michael Jackson’s death deepened late Wednesday with word that federal authorities will step in to help local police take a look at Jackson’s doctors and his medications.
The federal agency can provide resources and experience in investigating drug abuse, illicit drug manufacturers known as “pill mills” and substances local police may not be familiar with, the official said.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/02/feds-join-probe-jacksons-drug-use/
ReplyIan, I am sorry you bought into Michael Jackson’s hypochondria, but the truth of this is: his drug problems and his torment over the child moletation claims which most likely led him to take all the drugs he took will be what took his life. There are no mystery diseases; the Feds are brought in like this when they have something solid out of those autopsy reports that suggest, good health, and that his death was not only drug related, but that it is a very serious matter of drug abuse and addicitions. Charges will be forthcoming. I would imagine the Feds and police are trying to crack down on the circle of docs, and friends who are tied to this, where the drugs were coming from, who is all involved; how long they have been involved for. They will be following up on all leads, computer info. Anyone who ever knew him, who might have given him drugs, was connected to him in this way, or can shed light about his drugs abuse will be looked at.
Jackson had to take a vigorous health test prior to going on tour, which he passed. No one was going to support or fund a concert with him in this, amid rumors of all kinds, unless he took all types of testing, and those tests you can’t fool. Nor can you fool autopsy results, not to mention family claims, doctors claims and lawyers claims, all pointing now to serious drug abuse, and Michael being a hypochondriac.
Ian the truth needs to come out about Michael’s drug abuse, the doctors who enabled him, in order for this kind of abuse to end. By focusing on Michael’s fabrications, and distorted thinking about his health and what he may have told you, the truth and facts need to come out, which I suspect are already known by the authorities, which is why the Feds are now getting involved.
By ignoring this and suggesting he had some mystery disease, or believe his hypochondria, you make excuses for his drug habit, take responsibilty away from the docs who have been giving him and other stars like him drugs like this that clearly ended his life, and this sort of abuse will only continue and more people who have money are likely to end up the same way. It’s time to look at the truth; what really happened. I suspect Michael Jackson was into denial for a long time, he couldn’t face what was going on and resorted to drugs to deal with his painful memories. He once wrought his feelings down in song, which was a therapy for him, but the past while, he had not even been able to do that, he seemed more reclusive. He needed people to help him emotionally, get him off the drugs, but too many docs would feed him that to keep him coming back and being dependent. In other words, they did not want him to get healthy as he was their meal ticket.
Replyalready pre ordered your book ian on amazon. you were so right about the king of pop. you totally called it. you have my complete trust and respect as an honourable jounalist. keep doing what you do best!
Replyhttp://laineygossip.com/Tom_Cruise_and_Katie_Holmes_arrive_with_Suri_in_Melbourne_.aspx?CatID=0&CelID=0
while Katie films her movie in Melbourne, Tommy Boy is trying to “convert” (so says the OSA spin people) Aussie billionaire to $cientology. Me thinks his plans will backfire. (I’ve also heard conflicting reports that Tom knows about Katie’s creeping off with her ex Chris Klein and is fine w/ it. Was there any relationship to begin with? *cough* Katie is his beard *cough*)
Reply“Preorder now.” It’s official! This site is here only to market and sell Halperin’s books. Even Ian’s alter egos, SRRC and the Muslim Chick, have deserted this sinking ship like rats.
Reply@Gitano:
wow…. and I thought this site was here to promote your dinner plans !
ReplyI thought it was here so Keane, me and other Brits could bitch about the weather. Who knew someone would use their own website to promote their own work? Colour me shocked.
Reply@lizzieb:
ReplyMorning Lizzieb: Good comment – you made me laugh!
Business is Business!
Angie is breathing, it is MJ turn…
ReplyTMZ reporting that Rowe claims, the kids are her bio’s …. she will submit DNA sample. Now, wouldn’t it be funny, if there was no IV mother involved whatsoever, despite what MJ was told, but that his doc and his nurse (Rowe) had a little thing going on in the back room, and the kids are their bio’s …… selling them (for lots of cash) to MJ as IV kids ? Just saying….. just an idea….. IMO
ReplyWhat Michael Jackson meant to me…Oh Wait, I already said that. Okay, wait here we go, What MJ meant to the world..oh..already discussed that too. Ummmmmm, okay, I don’t have anything else to add to this story…Next please…LOL
Reply@Ms Agatha:
ReplyDang Ms. Agatha – you have a devious mind indeed! You should be writing mystery novels! But – I like your theory and I think it is entirely possible!
@Ms Agatha:
Replyand if she is willing to have a DNA test done to prove those kiddies are hers – then, I bet she will be very willing to sell them a second time to the Jackson family!
@ladybert62:
AHH Lady, you blow my cover… I AM writing mystery novels…(hence my name ) …lol…..
But, you are right….. anything is possible in this saga …. nothing surprises me anymore…. it was just reported by Fox news that MJ had a GIRLFRIEND …….. you cannot make that up…priceless…
Reply@ladybert62:
ReplyVery good observing ! (you’ll be my Watson !) lol
Secret irlfriend in England ! Sky interview ! Keane calling you ! What’s going on ?
Reply@lizzieb:
Ha ha, so funny! Yes I think it’s a goddam outrage that Ian presumes to promote some things that people actually have to pay for on a site in which he gives out gossip for free. What kind of charlatanism is this? You mean to say that Ian is not actually a charity providing free gossip to the bored office workers and housewives of the western world? You mean to say he does this for a living and has a mortgage to pay and mouths to feed like all the rest of us? This is an outrage, an outrage I tell you, ladies and gentlemen we have been swindled! I hereby cancel my subscription to this here blog and am flouncing off to find another one where we can get lots of free info and don’t have to listen to the outrageous suggestions of the author that we may be interested in buying one of his books now and again. This is the biggest outrage in the history of outrages and I hereby am changing my name to Keane Cyber Queen Outraged Supreme in protest. I encourage all you other ladies to follow suit and maybe by the force of these name changes we will end these vile plugs for Ian’s written work when we surely are entitled to get everything in life for free! Join with me!
Reply@Ms Agatha:
ReplyWait a minute – you are telling me that gay Michael Jackson had a female girlfriend in England? Is that what you are saying! Or did he had a male girlfriend (I dont know what the correct terminology is)? Is she/he going to show up the Carnival called the Funeral next Tuesday in Staples Center in LA? Is Bad Daddy Joe going to sell tickets or is it a free-for-all? Do the taxpayers of LA (and California) really want to foot the bill for this Carnival-Funeral? Will this Michael the Great Madness never end? Why wont my headache go away – oops, one question too many and not relevant to this discussion!
@Ms Agatha:
I will try to watch some Sky News later and report back with details!
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyKeane Cyber Queen Outraged Supreme (”KCBOS”)! You made me laugh again! And just to verify my British roots, in the historical novel that I am currently reading by Ariana Franklin set in 12th century Britain with the ever interesting Henry II and family running around, I want you to know that the big swearing slang in the book is – are you ready KCBOS – “gar dang it.” Yes, you read that right – it is obvious that my genes are indeedy from the Oxford/Cambridge area of England (am not sure where that is – is it near Trafford!) and they are all gar dang it swearing daily at those nasty lords and ladies! See, I am true to my British roots!
@ladybert62:
ReplyOops – sorry Keane, KCBOS should have be KCQOS – migraine interferring with typing again!
News update! Ms. Debbie has just announced to the world that her love as a mother is not to be denied – “I want my children” she says and that she will fight for custody. Yes indeedy, as so many on here predicted, let the custody fight for the money (oops, kids) begin!
Reply@John:
I wouldn’t say he was in “fine condition” – the man was 5′10″ and weighed in at only 112 lbs at the time of his death. That is not a healthy weight for a man of his height and age. I mean, that’s only 2 lbs off what I weigh and I’m a girl who’s much shorter than him! He may not have had any specific physical diseases but he obviously suffered from anorexia which is known to put a terrible strain on one’s heart and many other stresses on the body. And then, of course, there is the fact that when a doctor gives you anesthesia, one of the main factors in deciding what dosage to give is based on one’s weight. It’s hard to believe that MJ (being that drug addicted) sat down and figured out what the appropriate amount would be in his case.
I have no doubt that drugs killed him. I see two possible scenarios. 1) he mixed too many of the wrong drugs together (ala Heath) and it was the specific combination that did him in, or 2) his tolerance level to drugs had risen high enough to equal to the fatality level – as seen in people such as Jean-Michel Basquiat, who was known as the man with the million dollar arm.
Slightly O/T here, but it really pisses me off for the people that do need heavy drugs. I’ve met people who have real physical problems that are extremely painful and as I was discussing with Ms Agatha, they go to the doctor and the doctor is completely leery of giving them something to help them because all the doctors get scared off when something like this happens. Meanwhile, little HW brats can go in, fit as a fiddle and score a prescription no problem. I know a bunch of people who are on Adderall that do not have ADHD or ADD but use it instead to stay skinny. Paris is on it and Lindsay’s on it too and a host of others – all they had to say was I think I have ADD and the docs prescribed it without evaluating them. Like I said at the beginning of the paragraph – I know this is slightly off topic but it just goes to show you how exempt people are in this town from every day rules. I used to be one of those people that had a veritable pharmacy in my house and it really is like going down the rabbit hole – so many people help you down the hole but when you realise what’s happening to you and try to get back up, not a single one of those people that helped you down is there to help you up.
Reply@b4theymkmerun:
ReplyLOL! Hi there, Ian. Have they made you run yet? Did you really think you could get away with all that ? Keep safe.
@ladybert62:
ReplyLadybert – are you being serious or are you joking? Did she really say such a thing? My God, no wonder he intentionally mentioned his will that he did not want her to get anything! After that interview she did earlier saying that she wasn’t interested in being a mother and just didn’t have that capacity and now she loves her babies. GROSS. Money, money, money – I hope the courts see right through her.
@harikari girl:
ReplyI am serious – I just read it on the news!
@harikari girl:
ReplyI agree with you – for us “regular joes” who have pain (and especially on a daily basis) trying to get my doctor to prescribe a pain killer for me (because he has heard of someone else getting addicted!), is impossible. Oh no, he says, he has to worry about being sued, he has to worry about my getting addicted (I do not have an addictive personality) – he refers me to the trash in the drug store which even now is being taken off the shelves because of the “abuse” by others. It makes me angry to no end (ask my husband how many times he has heard my curse the american medical system) – I have almost daily migraines, daily back pain, severe arthritis in hands and feet – but no, because someone else is getting “high” on these drugs, I cant get them. A real sore (pun intended) point with me! Alternative medicine is fine and I use as much of it as I can (chiropractic, homeopathic) but there are times when I need a dang pain pill! grrrrr
@harikari girl:
ReplyI just found the place where I read it – its called the LA News – there was an interview with her and she has sent her lawyer to LA and she is getting a restraining order against Bad Daddy Joe and she says she “wants her children.”
bb14. This is off topic. Has anyone seen any birthday photos released of the Brangie twins.? I’m beginning to think that if I hadn’t seen photos of them way back I would start to believe that they didn’t exist, but having seen them I can put that theory to rest.
ReplyI find it very strange that no photos at all have been released since way back. I’m beginning to think that something is a bit dodgy on the home front.
We haven’t heard anything on BP/AJ at all. I for one would like to know what is going on. Does anyone else feel the same way.
Sorry about the interuption rgarding MJ carry on
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Just saw part of an interview some English ex bodyguard had with Sky News, broadcast on Fox news here…
Replythe guy saying MJ had a girlfriend in England, his family was very well aware of her for quite some time…. they had their up and downs….. and so on….. unless this is some spin-control by Papa Joe…… these news seem totally wacko…
@benjaminbutton14:
ReplyHi BB14: I agree with you! Am tired of the MJ death-fest and wish we would get back to Brangie bashing – much more fun!
@ladybert62:
ReplyYeah…. came on Fox news….. saw part of an interview with some ex-employee in England…… smell Papa Joe doing his own spinning…… if this is true ….. we are in for more news bombs….. besides, that Rowe claiming she is BIO MOTHER of the kids now ! She will proof with DNA !
@ladybert62:
Ask the same questions a thread or two ago……… who has seen them ?…… wouldn’t these ‘ reliable ‘ source know something ??? So, where are those sources, when you need them ???? Now is the time to come out and spill some beans….
ReplyAlso, according to NBC 4 … Rowe will seek restraining order against Joe Jackson, to keep him away from the kids…
Reply@ladybert62:
Ha ha! Oxford is about an hour to an hour and a half west of London, and Cambridge is about an hour to an hour and a half north of London so you’re obviously a south-east chick! Maybe by saying “gull dang” you are channeling one of your former English lives! As for Trafford, well no, that’s Manchester (hence why the home of Manchester United Football Club – former home of David Beckham – is called Old Trafford and there is also a shopping centre called The Trafford Centre). That being said maybe there is a Trafford somewhere else in the UK that I am not aware of, highly possible!
Reply@Ms Agatha:
Sounds like spin, I highly doubt old bigotted Papa Joe would like to admit to having a gay son. But then this is MJ we’re talking about, anything could be possible! If she was in England then I guess they wouldn’t be having a great deal of nookie, its not like he spent much time over here. Unless she was visiting him in his basement with his 3 kids and the nanny and all! Nah, don’t think so!
Reply@ladybert62:
ReplyHi ladybert62, I’m with you I’m getting tired of the MJ fiasco myself. I mean how much more can be said., this could go on for months
You made an excellent point and I’m all for it, lets get back to Brangie bashing as you put it and I couldn’t have put it better myself. That is indeed lots more fun.
@harikari girl:
Oh really, yes I could see Paris being on something like that. Adderall looks like the least of Lindsay’s problems though. Ian thinks all of Rachel Zoe’s current and former clients were/are on meth. I would have guessed coke but I don’t know much about meth – other than it destroys your looks and Fergie did it!
Reply@harikari girl:
Harikari girl. When I say fine condition, he had no mystery disease that killed him. It was all drug related. As far as his weight; we don’t know he only weighed 112. IN fact, according to the coroner, he did not weigh only 112, those reports are false. Nor, after looking at him does he look like he only weighed 112 pounds. I suspect there will be a lot of exaggerations out there. What is true IMO, are the reports coming from his doctors, lawyers, claiming that he had a severe drug problem and that doctors freely gave him all sorts of drugs.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_12713205
The assistant chief of the Los Angeles County coroner’s office today dismissed as inaccurate a British tabloid report that last week’s autopsy showed Michael Jackson had shrunk in weight to about 112 pounds and had lost his hair.
The report in The Sun said details about his condition were based on “leaked autopsy details.”
“The report that is being published did not come from our office,” said Assistant Chief Ed Winter of the Los Angeles County coroner’s office. “I don’t know where that information came from, or who that information came from. It is not accurate. Some of it is totally false.”
The singer’s body was released Friday evening to the family, which hired a pathologist who conducted a private autopsy on Saturday, Winter said.
“The (Sun) report did not come as a result of our autopsy, or of the private autopsy,” Winter said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31712851#31712851
The video does show that Jackson appeared to be in better health before he died than many people had been led to believe,
http://voices.kansascity.com/node/5028
Also Jackson was working on two albums at the time of his death:
http://www.accesshollywood.com/report-michael-jackson-was-working-on-two-albums-at-time-of-death_article_20094
harikari girl said on July 2nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
@John:
I wouldn’t say he was in “fine condition” – the man was 5′10″ and weighed in at only 112 lbs at the time of his death. That is not a healthy weight for a man of his height and age. I mean, that’s only 2 lbs off what I weigh and I’m a girl who’s much shorter than him! He may not have had any specific physical diseases but he obviously suffered from anorexia which is known to put a terrible strain on one’s heart and many other stresses on the body. And then, of course, there is the fact that when a doctor gives you anesthesia, one of the main factors in deciding what dosage to give is based on one’s weight. It’s hard to believe that MJ (being that drug addicted) sat down and figured out what the appropriate amount would be in his case.
Jackson imo was healthy, a lot healthier than most believe or what we have been told. It was the drugs.
ReplyFootage of Michael Jackson performing some of his most famous hits for the final time has been released.
The King of Pop looked well and his voice sounded strong as he danced around the stage in typical fashion during rehearsals at the Staples Centre, in Los Angeles.
The star was preparing for his 50-night residency at London’s O2 arena, set to begin later this month before Jackson’s death on June 25 from a suspected cardiac arrest.
Jackson’s friend, Uri Geller, said the footage raised a “big question” about what prompted the star’s dramatic demise.
“The question is: What happened from that point to the day that he died?” said Geller. “In the photographs I’ve seen, he looked in shape, he was smiling, he was happy. What happened? That’s the big question.”
Kevin Mazur, 48, the photographer who captured some of Jackson’s final moments on camera at the rehearsals, said the star appeared to be back to his best and had a “incredible energy”.
Mr Mazur, co-founder of WireImage, said: “When he hit that stage, everyone was just mesmerised.”
The photographer said Jackson was happy and joking with the dancers as he rehearsed.
Mr Mazur told the newspaper Jackson performed his set for 90 minutes until nearly midnight on June 23.
“He was totally there – 100% there in fact,” said Mr Mazur. “You would never suspect this would have ever happened – especially after his performance on stage.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/8589326
Here’s his video:
http://thedailyvoice.com/voice/2009/07/michael-jackson-rehearsal-vide-002062.php
July 2nd, 2009
Michael Jackson Memorial To Be Held Tuesday At Los Angeles Staples Center
Los Angeles, CA (CNS) – A memorial service for Michael Jackson will take place at the Staples Center in Los Angeles on Tuesday, July 7th.
http://www.gantdaily.com/news/12/ARTICLE/55989/2009-07-02.html
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyMaybe he is talking of the nanny who raised the kids….she lived with them in Ireland and England…. besides Bahrain and other places for years …. the quasi mother who was ‘ like’ his wife and mother to the kids
Federal Drug Department to Hunt Down Jackson Doctors
WENN.com
Cops investigating Michael Jackson’s death have called in the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) in a desperate bid to track down the tragic star’s former doctors.
Los Angeles police are currently trying to get to the bottom of the star’s demise, amid swirling reports that Jackson’s fatal cardiac arrest last week was due to a prolonged addiction to prescription drugs.
According to TMZ.com, the singer’s need for pills was so intense that he used a string of aliases in order to con physicians into signing medication over to him.
The Web site adds that Jackson used the names of his bodyguards and other acquaintances to get a litany of prescriptions.
And due to the huge media and public interest in the underlying cause of the “”Thriller”" star’s death, police officials investigating his passing have brought in the DEA to help with the case.
The federal agency will reportedly interview Jackson’s doctors to try to discover how he was able to get hold of drugs including Demerol — an anesthetic similar to morphine.
A spokesperson for the DEA says, “”We routinely offer assistance to any agency regarding the Federal Controlled Substance Act. However, at this time we have nothing further to comment about the death of Michael Jackson.”"
http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/movies/news/n17958.htm
Reply@Ms Agatha:
Have you seen a pic of her? If you had I think you’d probably think that unlikely! Mind you, look at the state of Debbie Rowe, but I guess she was just the oven/oven and possible egg donor! I reckon the Brit girlfriend is a load of BS. I think MJ liked the boys.
Reply@ladybert62:
I agree with you …. here is some BP news of today: His vintage bike broke down today – near Franklin Village LA – he had to leave bike behind and bum a ride off paparazzi – pics and all :
http://www.gossipcenter.com/brad-pitt/brad-pitt-brokedown-biker-333599
ReplyJackon’s continuous attempts of covering up his face, changing his face by way of plastic surgery, making himself thinner through diet and meds, were part of his insecurity. He tried to please and he couldn’t accept himself for who he was, and because he couldn’t accept himself, no one else could accept him either. He changed his face so much that it became so distorted.
In the end, he died of the drugs. Instead of helping him, docs enabled him and gave him all sorts of drugs that people just don’t get. I would imagine the police, Feds are trying to find out who gave him what exactly. When that information emerges, there will be charges IMO.
http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b132571_final_jackson_rehearsal_footage_released.html
ReplyAnd if someone has been missing the AJ BS : Here is some majah BS …. have been missing it ahhh !!
http://www.examiner.com/x-15033-Memphis-Celebrity-Examiner~y2009m7d2-Saint-Angelina-Jolie-Her-first-screen-appearance-makes-debut
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Replylol .. saw her pic …. me thinks she looks even better than the oven….lol
@Ms Agatha:
They have to be taking the piss right? Precising her name with “Saint” every time? That has to be a joke doesn’t it? I mean that site isn’t on your Perez level, the writers are supposed to have a modicum of sense. How on earth has she managed this? The negative writer is given the boot and now they are writing the most sycophantic pieces the world has ever seen. So sycophantic they sound like they’re taking the piss? I reckon she has something on them in a legal way, those statements of Daryl’s were pretty strong and categorical, no room for doubt with him. I wonder whether he got caught out on one aspect of it and she had him by the balls. How else could she wield this kind of power? Unless it was a major pay-off, who knows.
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
I had hoped we would have heard from Daryl by now …. but he went into exile it seems…. maybe Ian can share some light on this… one day. This guy Aaron’s writing is so over the top that it qualifies for a SNL stunt… His bio shows, he has been ‘ recently worked in the film industry ‘……. that’s the key, she owns him
Reply@Ms Agatha:
Replysorry, grammar off… writing too fast
@Gitano:
Yes, you’re right of course. How dare Ian announce his book on HIS very OWN site????? He should just swallow all the time and energy he invested in this project and flush it down the toilet –
But wait a minute… I just remembered… there’s something called freedom of speech… how confusing, NOT! He’s allowed you the freedom to write your opinion of him on his website, perhaps you should consider allowing him the same courtesy to announce his opinion as well. Last time I checked it didn’t this site was called IanUndercover, NOT GitanoUndercover…
Reply@Ms Agatha:
ReplyYou would think with all his mega bucks he could afford a bike that wasnt vintage! He looks awful in those pictures! Yea, back to bashing brangie – where is the evil one if hapless is in Louisiana?
@ladybert62:
Replyhaha… well, he is a design freak… that bike is a collector’s item… Franklin Village in Los Angeles …. but where is the evil none ? …… what about Cambodia ? She got house there … surrounded by land mines … I am not making this up….. safe from paparazzi … Since the has vanished from the earth…..that’s my best bet..,
AJ ’s house in Cambodia sits on thirty-nine hectares in northwest Cambodia …and she expanded her property
Replyby 230 square miles …..buying the adherent wildlife park….. NOW…. that’s some real estate to track anybody down ….. particular if you talk jungle here
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Yes, Lindsay has been on a lot of stuff, I mean alot! When she was doing that movie with the VW bug over 50 percent of her takes were unusable. I watched the dailies with her and there she is slurring her words, her eyes half closed. And she’d be like “oh, I was suffering from exhaustion, the schedule’s just really started to get to me”. Sad thing is, Linds isn’t a bad girl, but Dina and her dad have screwed her over so completely – from her point of view from at least 8 yrs old and on. But she gets so conflicted when it comes to her mom – it’s hard for her to see Dina as one of the people that’s exploited her.
As for Rachel, she’s such an egomaniac – and yeah, she does ‘encourage’ girls to maintain a size O. But it isn’t street meth. It’s Adderall and also Vyvanse which is a prescription drug with an amphetamine base. But it’s considered to be a much smoother ride than adderall and just as effective.
Reply@M.Halperin
Michael Jackson’s bodyguard said yesterday that MJ was having a secret girlfriend he saw regularly. In my opinion, it must be a travestite or a cover up of something… I know in your book, you say he had boyfriends, so what do you think about what the bodyguard said ?
Reply@ladybert62:
Ladybert, that really does suck that you have all those symptoms and your doctor will not give you anything whatsoever. Could you go to another doctor maybe? I get massive headaches that sometimes last for 2-3 days and they give me painkillers for them. And I’m an addictive personality so I have to be really careful to monitor myself and not misuse them. I just can’t believe that you have all those different things going on and nobody’s willing to help you. That’s what I mean about the whole celebrity drug culture – if it comes out on the news that there’s been misuse, the doctors seem to immediately stop prescribing to the people that need it the most. A few years ago, I was actually completely incapacitated for a whole summer from the headaches, they were just getting worse and worse. My internist sent me to specialists, and of course they said I needed an MRI. When I asked them what they thought it could be, they said pituitary cancer. I went home and googled it and then that just scared the shit out of me. So I went to another specialist and they said I needed an MRI and when I asked them what they were leaning towards, they said it was too soon to tell but they had concerns that it may be pituitary cancer. So needless to say, I was a nervous wreck going in for the MRI and I was an even worse wreck while waiting for the results. End story, my doctor calls me and says “good news, it’s not pituitary cancer” and although I was really relieved, I was still like “well what do we do now”? This was on a Friday. He said “well, we’ll put you on pain management (had never even heard that phrase before). So I asked him about it and he said for me to come in on Monday and that he was going to start me on a treatment of Oxycontin. That night, I’m watching the local news and they had a big expose on Oxycontin and how it was being misused, that people were getting hooked on it and also that people were getting prescriptions and selling the pills on the street for big money. I looked at my boyfriend and said “how much do you want to bet that on Monday the doctor will no longer even mention Oxycontin as a possibility and instead put me on something else?” Sure enough, Monday came around and I went in for our meeting, and he never mentioned Oxycontin and did indeed put me on something else instead. After hearing your story, I feel lucky that he did at least prescribe something to dull the pain, but your story just backs up what I’ve observed happen to people who live out here, who are not a part of Hollywood, who have real physical maladies and they don’t get the help. I know one lady who has that Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, it’s so severe that she got a settlement from the insurance company and they paid for literally everything in her life to be ergonomic – her chairs, her desk, even her car is decked out, her computer has a special program so she can speak and it types what she says. She cannot stand for too long, she cannot sit for too long, her life has totally changed. And guess what? The doctors won’t give her any painkillers even though it was their reports on the severity of her condition that got the insurance to pay out. The injustice of all this is that these medications were made for people who have severe pain, thus the name “pain killers” and yet the doctors are too scared or too indifferent to prescribe them to the very people they were made for and who need them so very badly.
Sorry if i ranted a bit, but the medical system in America just sucks – it’s like 37 down on the list of countries in medical care. We behind Colombia, Costa Rica and Morocco – it’s just absurd.
Reply@ladybert62:
P.S. – that bike of Brad’s is not vintage – it’s actually a custom job that he paid big bucks for. yet another sign of his sound judgement and high intelligence.
ReplyHarikari: I don’t know, if you read my response to you on the other thread, why it is, that the celeb gets the medication literally forced on them ….while regular Joe survives on robitussin and caster oil…
More on AJ ……here is excellent article about celebrity child-pets …as a way of distinguishing themselves for the rest of society, they have themselves a new kind of pet – the third world child….. excellent article about celebs adopting ….. lashing out at AJ
http://natalt.org/?p=135
Reply@Ms Agatha:can’t remember where I read it, but there is a unique program in Tanzania that takes infants and preschoolers who’ve lost their mothers places them in orphanages (it’s easier to for birth to 5 years to have them together to successfully get them to age 5) and brings along an extended family member, older sister, aunt to look after the child so they can be integrated back into the village after age 5 – and the older girls get an opportunity to get a bit of education.
Reply@harikari girl:
ReplyI believe, he has quite an array of bikes…… and he keeps braking down with each one of them….. it can’t be all the bikes fault….. he must be one lousy biker… clueless
@Ms Agatha:Have you seen the latest on the health plan, if you don’t buy into it, you’ll be fined. How are they going to determine who’s poor and eligible for a subsidy and who’s not? The poverty level is a joke because of the great disparity in wages and housing costs in this country.
Reply@Ms Agatha:That’s what I was thinking, I hope to God we never see him with any of the kids on a bike.
Reply@Different Guest:
ReplyI think, I can remember having read about it….. what a great way to help a child find family again…. will try to find article… thanks !
@Different Guest:
ReplyI am witnessing a case right now, where somebody with some means, had to declare bankruptcy after spending every dime on doctor bills ….. he cannot afford to stop working and drags himself to work while doing chemo !!! …. now on the verge of breaking down completely… finally asking for help for short term and long term disability…he has low income job now….. how he is supposed to survive with the forthcoming income cuts when on short/long term disability only God knows…. something needs to be done, and it doesn’t look as if the new health care plan will work either …. as you said : How are they going to determine who’s poor and eligible for a subsidy and who’s not?
@Different Guest:
Reply… hope there is a law against it … have no clue if there is….. but there needs to be one…. God forbid, that’s the last thing I want to see ……. he can take AJ every day with him on the bike ! lol
@Different Guest:
ReplyJust checked it out: There is NO age restriction on motorbike passenger’s age in California ! OMG
Damm so Ian was wrong again: Carradine was not murdered just becasuse his friend dreamed it! Bah!
David Carradine Died of Accidental Asphyxiation
By Brian Orloff
Originally posted Thursday July 02, 2009 03:40 PM EDT
David Carradine
Photo by: Tsuni / GammaUSA
More details about David Carradine’s death are coming to light.
The actor died from accidental asphyxiation, a medical examiner who performed a private autopsy on the actor has concluded. “The cause of death was asphyxiation, an inability to breathe, now why that happened is still what we’re working on,” Dr. Michael Baden, who was hired by the late actor’s family, told Reuters.
The ties that bound Carradine, who was found hanging in the closet of his Bangkok hotel on June 4, helped Baden rule out suicide as well. “He didn’t die of natural causes, and he didn’t die of suicidal causes from the nature of the ligatures around the body, so that leaves some kind of accidental death,” he said.
Baden also clarified that Carradine’s hands were tied above his head and not behind his back, as some had previously reported. His report also did not rule out the possibility that the former Kung Fu star died of auto erotic asphyxiation, though he did not say that was the cause of death, either.
Results from an earlier autopsy performed on Carradine after his death at age 72 were unclear, though on June 11, Baden did publicly state the actor’s death was not suicide.
Reply@ladybert62:
Replybb14. Do we know where Brad is at last????
Testing…..
ReplyOh, and yes your majesty great grammar and spelling Keane, it IS just “your” and not “you’re” — I’m just sooo ignorant compared to you, now am I?
Reply!. The issue about Michael Jackson is a serious one. It affects doctors taking advantage of those with money, famous people. It is manslaughter, it is corruption at very high levels and it won’t take long before there is a trickle down affect possibly to people some of you know. Because these people are famous; this is a time where something can be done about it if we all speak up against it. Strike while the iron is hot.
2. I could care less about AJ, Brange, Brad Pitt. By contiuing discussions about them on this thread it is an attempt to take over and control the forum, manipulate the website to what a few want to discuss in an attempt to push others away who do wish to discuss the topic at hand. How would anyone who is doing it feel if I or many others who post here, go into the Brange, AJ, Brad Pitt threads and start talking Michael Jackson, or other topics? I’m certain it can be arranged.
3. So a few of you are tired of talking about the death of MJ; well for months, the majority of discussion here was AJ, and after a while that got tremendously stale. Especially since there was no story. Nothing happened to any of them; there is nothing life threatening, most of what was discussed was just rumour, one way or another and the status quo remains the same. AJ and Brad are still together. Talking about it doesn’t change that.
4. Please keep the discussions to the topics at hand; do not purposely HIJACK a thread to keep, manipulate or control things to your own personal discussions. If there was a mod on this board, he or she would control that or end that. It makes it difficult for anyone else who comes here to discuss any issues or topics at hand.
Thanks.
Reply@ Regular Joe – That made absolutely no sense whatsoever! Lol
ReplyJohn, I am curious, how does copying and pasting and posting endlessly on a blog about MJ and drugs change anything, how is that striking while the iron is hot? It is not as though we are sending out messages to congress, we are merely chatting among friends. I am a little confused by that comment. It is important yes, but we are not changing anything here.
While you may not care about AJ,BP,JA or the likes, I would guess that about 70 percent of the posters here do. Posting on these other subjects are just passing the time until IAN gets back to the Brange, that and friendships have developed within the group, so if he put a weather topic up right now, that would be fine. I don’t believe anyone is trying to take over the Michael Jackson thread. If you are familiar with the blog you will notice that that the topics have often ventured off to other celebrities, Mooki, for example is always very nice in updating us , regardless of the topic at hand on who and what is going on. That is fine, no one has ever had a problem in the past with that as far as I can remember, if they have, I suppose they have left. As far as how would I like it, it would not bother me if you want to discuss MJ, and others Brange, I just reply to what I am interested in, the same way I skip over a troll. It does not interupt my flow of concentration so I am not really understanding why this would upset you, at least it is peaceful. If you ask eveyone to go to another thread, and they do, you may not have as many as you would like to discuss MJ with. Isn’t it better to be able to have everyone to discuss any of them with?
No, not a few of us, I would say the majority, and no , I would disagree, they are not together, they are not living as a couple, they are simply playing it out for the public until the time is right to make the split. Brad and Angelina are a thing of the past. The next chapter begins, which should provide as much gossip fodder as the last.
Hijacking is a strong word and a bit insulting. I have not been around , (thank you ladies for your well wishes for mom, she is better, not out, but better) but from what I am reading here it hardly would qualify as that. I don’t think anyone here is intentionally trying to do that, they are just following their natual interests. You are a wonderful poster John, and have made some very thoughtful points, and I do agree it is a serious subject, but for some of us , serious is not why we come here. I hope you will not be offended, but I like the way the blog is , mish mash any way we mix it.
Cheers, Kate
ReplyCan you please post about something other than Michael Jackson so I can read you blogs again? Seriously enough about MJ, Most people just really don’t give a crap, I don’t!
ReplyPlease, neww post about anything other than MJ please please please!
hey benjamin button
ReplyBrad is in LA there is a post on TMZ, his bike broke down and he had to be resued by a poparatzi, yesterday.
Hey Kate glad to hear your mom is a bit better. I’m at wimbledon waiting for boring old tennis drone Federer to hurry up & win his match in straight sets so I can watch tennis genius Andy Murray take it to the bank! Lol I am also sipping a pint or 3. Hope you’re all having a good day x
Reply@Kate:
ReplyDitto. The cutting and pasting of the VERY long MJ info is, at this point pretty repetitive. I agree mosy of the posters here have got to know one another and we have similar interests (as far as gossip goes that is). My opinion is BP and AJ are not together, they are lying low and eventually it will be very apparent that they are no longer together.
@John:
ReplyIs your name Ian ? I didn’t think so. Make your own blog. I do not think Ian minds the diversity in conversation at all, and we enjoy it. Buh bye.
Oh and BTW, I brought up the topic of sexual abuse in the Jackson home, and my post got censured. I wonder why ?
ReplyInteresting note – I read, in the middle of the MJ frenzy, that a lady who was on a tour bus that just happened to be in site of MJ’s location when he was rushed to the hospital. She went on to discuss the chaos around the place. To make a long story short, she was amazed that on the same day, she, by chance, was entering a building and ran into AJ and BP. They were together for something recently.
Reply@harikari girl:
ReplyAnd we thought she was pretty much okay then, still with Wilmer, seemed normal. It was Georgia Rule that really got her in trouble, all her addictions seemed to surface in the press, letters from the Producer to straighten up etc. I think her career is pretty much over, and its too bad cos she really was a good actress and had a great future in front of her IMO.
@unknownxcat:
ReplyWow, can you imagine? What a day that was for a tourist from the midwest! LOL
@Tamara:
ReplyLOL yes, thats what I thought. I’ll try to find the link.
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,25702886-5005368,00.htm
ReplyThere are other sites reporting this story, also.
I want to read about Michael Jackson’s gay liasons. I know he was gay but was scaried to live his life. I hope this book opens the door for his past boyfriends to come forward so the record is set.
Reply@Ms Agatha:
ReplyI like that phras ‘child-pets” as that is exactly how I think of those kids that strange Madonna and evil Ms. Jolie have bought – child-pets in designer colors – sickening.
@harikari girl:
ReplyHI HariKari Girl – thanks for the sympathy! The problem with changing doctors is that as soon as you walk in and say I want a pain killer because former doctor wouldnt give me one – then you are doctor shopping and still wont get it! Like is difficult sometimes – I do have a prescription for the arthritis which is taken daily (since I work 60 hour weeks at the keyboard most of the time, it is not that effective) and I have a prescription for the migraines which I only take when they last more than 3 days and then it only occasionally works. Oh well, such is life.
HI Kate – glad your mom is better!
Reply@ladybert62:
ReplyThanks Lady, have you considered Topamax for migraines, it is a preventative, not an abortive type drug you take once you already have it. Works very well too.
@unknownxcat:
ReplyI saw that, I believe that as much as I do that Jolie can not bear the thought of living without Pitt. lol If they were there it was not for a rendezvous. jmo
@keane cyber queen supreme:
ReplyThanks K, sounds like a fun day, I have to head back to the hospital for a bit.
@Kate:
ReplyIn my next visit with Dr. Dracula (that is the name I give him as he always wants my blood every 3 months) I will ask him about it. Thanks for the reference!
So according to the latest news (is there anything else going on in the world except MJ death-excess) – the drug Diprivan that is used in hospitals was indeedy found in MJ’s home and will probably be found in his body when the toxicology tests came back. So John, will there be manslaughter charges against someone! And if so, who? Ok well the site is pretty quite and all my chores are done (we have the day off of work for 4th of july holiday) so back to the 12th century for me!
ReplyWell, there is other news? Sarah Palin is resigning as the Governor of Alaska! What is up with that? Togi were are you? I love bashing Ms. Palin almost as much as the Brangie! I really want to know the gossip behind this news! What do you know Ian?
ReplyBoo your guy Andy Roddick beat our guy Andy Murray boo! He’s nice though & cried after he won bless him so I’m now rooting for him to take the title! Hope all are well x
Reply@keane cyber queen supreme:
ReplyAH Andy R beat Andy M and then Andy R Cried in joy? That is sweet. I know as much about tennis as I do about football so I will root for whomever you want to win Keane! Is it still so hot over there? Come to SF where it is nice and foggy – a lovely 60 degrees – would be perfect if it was raining but I cant have everything at all once – ha ha –
So why is Sarah Palin resigning? “Whats the buzz? Tell me what’s happening!” (as they sing in Jesus Christ Superstar!)
Reply@subell:
Replybb14. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer person lol
@Kate:
Replybb14 WELL SAID KATE I for one are sick of hearing about the ins and outs of MJ. Ok, he was a great entaintertainer and I am sorry that he has passed on but enough is enough.
Who the hell is this guy to come on here and tell us who we can and can’t talk about. I to believe that the Brange is over and that they are lying quiet to fool the public they are actors and they act well.
@unknownxcat:
Replybb14. I posted that same info a couple threads ago. The 2 women were from Australia (my home) they were passing MJ’s home on a tour bus when they witnessed the ambulance and fire trucks, They were then told that MJ was dead. Later at their Hotel Roosevelt they saw BP and AJ come out of a door.
hi all nice to see most of you back again and having such fun discussions. as for mj it is sad that he passed away at such a young age and i feel he had a sad and lonely life and to crown it all i think he had a mind of a child, like peter pan and just never grew up. may he rest in peace and lets respect him by not discussing him as only god will judge the dead so now back to the living two most well known morons. i totally agree with the child pets article and that these oxy morons that think by rescueing one kid makes them look good what a laugh they could help lots of kids with the money they now spend on one child if they set up a trust at the orphanage and let the kids growup in their own culture.
Replybut like all europeans they have to take the poor african or asian kids home because their ark does not have alike pet in it, they will now have to aduct or adopt another one of like to have pairs. will the world not wake up to the disserves they do these kids and just let them have a normal life in their own countries and just help extended families to support these kids at home. sorry for the rant but as a african i cannot abide these dogooders they remind me of the priests that went to foreign lands and forced the people to live life the way they saw it because they thought the culture of others was primative. as for the brand i wish them together so that nobody else has to live with these no brainers and suffer their ego driven lives.
i heard that on a video the paps asked peewee if he could not just say thanks for the lift and his answer was, ( YOU SHOULD THANK ME FOR THE INTERVIEW) WHAT A DICKLESS PRICK HE IS . i hope all this jen wants him back shit is just that as much as i like her i hope she meets a proper man and does not give this manny another chance, jolie has her leftovers so let her keep him. jmo
@unknownxcat:
bb14. Here is the link you were looking for. It was featured in one of our Australian papers.Jackson’s death
By James Campbell
Herald Sun
June 29, 2009 07:44am
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+ – TWO Australian women on a bus tour of Hollywood stars’ houses have told of the chaotic scenes as they accidentally witnessed the King of Pop’s final exit.
Helen Battaglia of Alfred Cove and her friend, Sally Wilson of Melbourne, were on a Starlight bus tour when their driver decided to show them Michael Jackson’s mansion.
“We turned into where Michael Jackson’s been staying and as we came round the corner we saw a fire truck.”
“The driver said ‘Oh there’s a fire truck here, there’s a bit happening’.”
Ms Wilson said the bus pulled up in front of the gates of the mansion while photographers milled around the entrance.
“All of a sudden the gates open and out came the ambulance while paparazzi were all running and banging and trying to take photos in the back of the ambulance,” she said.
Ms Battaglia said the scene became chaotic as Jackson’s staff fought to block the paparazzi from grabbing final pictures of the dying star.
Ms Wilson said passengers on the bus had no idea what they were witnessing.
“It was all happening. We weren’t sure who was in the car at that stage,” she said.
“They were just yelling out and then the ambulance took off and two black SUVs came out of the driveway and followed it.”
The women said photographers dashed to follow the ambulance.
“The paparazzi were running towards our bus saying ‘go go go’,” Ms Battaglia said.
“They got in a car and took off driving erratically, chasing the ambulance,” she said.
“I couldn’t believe what was going on. It was surreal.”
As their bus then left the scene, the driver paused to speak to a local woman who sells maps to the stars’ houses.
“She was crying on the phone and the bus driver stopped and said “Mary, what’s going on? Is it him?” Ms Wilson said.
“She was wailing and crying but she couldn’t talk, she just said “Yes, it’s him. It’s Michael.”
The two women were feeling flat after their brush with celebrity death.
“Today we’re a bit sad about the whole thing,” Ms Wilson said.
The event lent a bizarre and tragic twist to a celebrity-filled day for the two Australians, who were staying at the historic Hotel Roosevelt, once home to Marilyn Monroe and Clark Cable.
Earlier that morning, Ms Wilson ran into Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie as they were leaving the hotel.
“That was about 10.30 in the morning. I was just walking down a corridor with no one else there and this door flicks open and there’s Brad and Angelina,” she said.
ReplyFrom what I have seen – it has been announced, they are going to have nonstop 24 coverage on television of the FUNERAL OF THE CENTURY!
Reply@ladybert62:
Replybb14. Well, after the funeral I hope that will be the last of the MJ fiasco. I say let the guy Rest In Peace.
@ladybert62:
Ha ha! Yes I am rooting for Roddick now, he is a nice guy, the underdog and much easier on the eye than Federer (this is of utmost importance in the game of tennis, note it down for future reference: it is good to be good at tennis, it is even better to be good at tennis while lookng hot in your tennis whites, for sure). I also met a charming American guy on the bus on the way home by the name of Josh. I didn’t get a chance to ask him where he was from in particular but I can report back that he was a great ambassador for the states, friendly and outgoing. It’s a shame us Brits can’t be a bit more like you outgoing Americanos. Yep it is still in the 80’s even at night in the UK. Yesterday I went for a swim in one of London’s outdoor pools (lidos) to cool off, but upon my return was almost immediately sweltering again. BTW, just saw that on the news about Palin, that woman is a nut IMO. And LMAO at “what’s the buzz, tell me what’s a happening”!!!! Love, love, love that musical and find that line especially hilarious!
Reply@unknownxcat:
Who named you God here unknownxcat? If you don’t like the thread of Michael Jackson, why are you posting in it? The topic and thread are about Michael Jackson, there were threads on AJ and BP, post on those all you want. Bye yourself.
Reply@Kate:
Kate, I am copying and pasting facts into threads about MJ. I was tired of people suggesting the cause of death for MJ was some mysterious and fabled disease. Denying what happened doesn’t resolve issues. Nor does ignoring them.
Michael Jackson wasn’t the first person to die this way and won’t be the last. People simply couldn’t get these types of drugs years ago. You’re talking very strong prescription drugs administered by doctors on stars, and who knows who else has access to these drugs. This type of thing will continue until people get angry enough and collectively take a stand on these issues and do something about it. I copied and pasted the articles, as I got tired of hearing all of the half baked reasons, excuses for Jackon’s demise.
He was into drugs; sure he had an abusive childhood, but many people have had and you don’t see them turning to drugs. There were and are a lot of enablers out there – especially if you have some money, power or you’re well known. I suspect some stars and fans read this blog or did at one time and if they’re reading I would strong suggest they open their eyes to what could happen to them if they follow or on a path like Jackson. That includes the likes of Angelina Jolie, or any other moron out there who thinks taking drugs is cool, a form of escape, an alternative that is acceptable or not dangerous.
Hijacking a thread; intentional or not, is switching topics. That has been done here. For those that don’t want to talk about Michael Jackson in a Michael Jackson thread, there are AJ threads that can be used. I feel what happened here is an important issue to be discussed. Doctors need to be held more accountable, law, society, need to go after them more full doing this. Any doctor abusing his licence, authority, trust by giving out drugs as was done with Elvis, Jackson, Anna Nicole should face very strong penalties, fines, and criminal charges. This should be a message to any other doctor out there who sees money or dollar signs when he sees a movie star; and could care less about the person just the money he’s able to make by getting people hooked on drugs.
Anyone else want to guess at what other star, famous person out there is also getting drugs like this from a doctor or doctors?
Anyway, you want to keep encouraging people coming to this board. Why, because after a while people drop off, and a board needs diversity in thought, personalities, beliefs, in order to thrive, and last. If it’s just one group of people who don’t welcome ideas from anyone else, and want to keep it exclusive to one way of thinking, very soon, the website becomes very one sided, which can be uninteresting and it discourages growth and different ideas. And then people start to wonder; who is running this forum?
Reply@Kate:
Replybb14. It’s amazing that people still do not believe that 2 Aussies actually saw Brad and Age at the Roosevelt Hotel in LA
@ladybert62:
I agree the drug Diprivan will be found in his body after they were found at his home and charges will be pending. Curious to see what doctor or doctors are responsible for this and what the authorities do this time. Even docs are pointing their fingers at one another, lawers also speaking up. Usually doctors don’t tend to speak out like this against their own. The drug situation must have been extremely bad in the Jackson case.
The Michael Jackson Propofol discovery at his residence has raised more questions about the King of Pop’s death. Known also by its brand name
Up to one million fans are expected to flock to Los Angeles’ Staples Center arena to attend a memorial service for Michael Jackson on Tuesday
Millions of Michael Jackson fans will have to enter an online lottery for just 17500 tickets to his memorial service next Tuesday, but only US residents
http://music.rightcelebrity.com/?p=2680
LOS ANGELES (KGO) — California Attorney General Jerry Brown says his office is helping the Los Angeles Police Department in its investigation of Jackson’s death.
His office keeps computer records of every prescription written in the state.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/state&id=6898131
ReplyI believe it’s a matter of time before they announce Diprivan in Jackson’s lab results. But there’s more, POLICE ‘FIND METHADONE’ IN JACKSON’S HOME – along with many other meds, and at least 4 doctors and who knows who else are at the center of this investigation. When you think about 4 doctors giving someone like this meds as they do, it’s frightening. Police reportedly found 20 types of drugs in Michael Jackson’s Los Angeles mansion, including the heroin substitute methadone.
Methadone was reportedly found in Michael Jackson’s home.
The heroin substitute and 19 other types of drugs, including potentially lethal painkillers and anaesthetics, were recovered from the pop legend’s Los Angeles mansion by police investigating his death last week.
A source said: “The Jackson mansion was more like a drug store than someone’s home.”
Other drugs found included Fentanyl, a powerful painkiller given to terminal cancer patients and Oxycontin, another painkiller dubbed ‘Hillbilly Heroin’.
Some of the medications had Michael’s name on the label but many were labelled with other names, while some didn’t have any labels.
It is thought Michael used different aliases to obtain his prescriptions including the names of his bodyguards and a doctor’s manager.
The 50-year-old star died after a suspected cardiac arrest, amid claims it was caused by an accidental drug overdose.
Police are now said to be searching for those who helped supply Michael with the deadly cocktail of drugs and are considering manslaughter charges as the prescription medicines who reportedly obtained without regard for his safety.
The source added to Britain’s The Sun newspaper: “Powerful narcotic painkillers of all kinds were found. There was no reasonable excuse for them all being there. Using more than one of this type of drug can be potentially fatal. But there were 10 in house – it’s unbelievable.
“Police want to know whether other people named on the medicine labels really needed the drugs prescribed to them and will be speaking to all doctors involved. The drugs found remain at the very heart of the investigation into the death of Michael Jackson.”
At least four doctors, including Michael’s personal physician Dr. Conrad Murray, are also at the centre of the investigation.
However, according to Murray’s legal team he is not considered a suspect and is co-operating with the investigation.
He has denied injecting Michael with the painkiller Demerol before he died or prescribing the father-of-three with either Demerol or OxyContin.
And if and when that’s found it looks like criminal charges will be forthcoming
http://www.examiner.com/x-9259-Miami-Celebrity-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m7d3-Diprivan-Propofol-found-at-Michael-Jacksons-home
POLICE ‘FIND METHADONE’ IN JACKSON’S HOMEPolice reportedly found 20 types of drugs in Michael Jackson’s Los Angeles mansion, including the heroin substitute methadone.
Methadone was reportedly found in Michael Jackson’s home.
The heroin substitute and 19 other types of drugs, including potentially lethal painkillers and anaesthetics, were recovered from the pop legend’s Los Angeles mansion by police investigating his death last week.
A source said: “The Jackson mansion was more like a drug store than someone’s home.”
Other drugs found included Fentanyl, a powerful painkiller given to terminal cancer patients and Oxycontin, another painkiller dubbed ‘Hillbilly Heroin’.
Some of the medications had Michael’s name on the label but many were labelled with other names, while some didn’t have any labels.
It is thought Michael used different aliases to obtain his prescriptions including the names of his bodyguards and a doctor’s manager.
The 50-year-old star died after a suspected cardiac arrest, amid claims it was caused by an accidental drug overdose.
Police are now said to be searching for those who helped supply Michael with the deadly cocktail of drugs and are considering manslaughter charges as the prescription medicines who reportedly obtained without regard for his safety.
The source added to Britain’s The Sun newspaper: “Powerful narcotic painkillers of all kinds were found. There was no reasonable excuse for them all being there. Using more than one of this type of drug can be potentially fatal. But there were 10 in house – it’s unbelievable.
“Police want to know whether other people named on the medicine labels really needed the drugs prescribed to them and will be speaking to all doctors involved. The drugs found remain at the very heart of the investigation into the death of Michael Jackson.”
At least four doctors, including Michael’s personal physician Dr. Conrad Murray, are also at the centre of the investigation.
However, according to Murray’s legal team he is not considered a suspect and is co-operating with the investigation.
He has denied injecting Michael with the painkiller Demerol before he died or prescribing the father-of-three with either Demerol or OxyContin.
http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/police-find-methadone-in-jacksons-home_1108587
This is going to do a lot of damage to the medical profession. Things will change.
Reply@John:
John that wasn’t what Kate meant. What she meant was that people posting here have always started conversations with people on different topics, some of which are only relevant to those two people. Everyone else just skips over them if they’re not interested in reading them. What Kate is saying is that someone can’t jump on board and try to set rules for other posters when they have all been commenting here for a much longer time. The only person who sets the rules is Ian. If you want to make a suggestion about the board it is best that you put it to him. No one poster has the authority to tell others what to do, especially those who have only recently started commenting regularly. A few of us have said we aren’t too keen on your lengthy cut and pasted articles and suggested you might like to just summarise them and post a link so we don’t have to scroll through them for ages. However whether or not you take up the suggestion is entirely up to you. As for us, we will keep doing what we’ve always done which is talk about anything that we fancy at any given time. Most blogs do work like this, there is no rule that we have to religiously stick to the topic at hand.
Replyjohn yes it must have many subjects. but the man has died and to speculate what caused the death without positive proof is not right. when they have the proof and can say for sure what it is it is just speculation and disrespectful to the deceased person. if the doctors and management of mj did cause his demise without a doubt it is then time to discuss and accuse. i would like to hear about johnny depp and other stars but lets be honest these two at the moment are a hot topic and fun to disect as they are the world jokes to alot of people. and if people did discuss johnny and where nasty i would have a hissy fit. love that mans acting and looks. i dn’t mind reading the news and am glad you are reporting it but i will not comment further on this till given possitive proof of death. so lets all agree to disagree without bad fellings or attwcking the posters that have kept this blog alive ant entertaining . jmo
ReplyJust a comment on how hard it is to get needed meds theses days- my husband has an eye condition that requires him to get injections in his eyeball every 3 months. The day of the surgery, he understandably wants to take a calming med like Valium or Xanax to not freak out when the needle is coming. He asked his doctor for an rx for ONE PILL and he scoffed and said “I’m not that kind of doctor”, like he was a junkie or something. And yet all these stars get hundreds of xanax or whatever without question.
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyHi Keane – glad you like my musical reference – you should see me perform it! I dont listen to music much anymore since it has the irritating habit of never leaving my brain (I am still humming the times from Eddie & The Cruisers I and II which I watched weeks ago) – I think it has to do with getting old, I really do. This did not happen when I was young and now once I get a song in my head it is literally stuck there (reminds me of that Star Trek story where it happened to the psychic character and almost drove her crazy!).
@Court:
ReplyHi Court – dang, that sounds AWFUL! My sweetie pie hubby cant even put eyedrops in his eye – to picture a needle coming at my eye is heartstopping to me – and your husband cant even get a relaxer drug! I think that constitutes malpractice! I agree with you, the doctors have become such little weenies about prescribing that it is disgusting to those of us who need the occasional pain pill or in your husband’s case a mild sedative for that horrible event!
bb14. This topic is way off the MJ. Can anyone help me who lives in Baton Rouge New Orleans. I am after the Fossil Accessory shop, which is situated at Bluebonnett Blvde. I will be staying at the Holiday Inn French Quarters and was wondering if this place was far from the Hotel.
ReplyHope some-one can help me.
re Sarah Palin: my personal opinion is that she quit in order to go for the bucks! As governor, she could not legally rake in the cash for any appearances – as a private citizen, increased bank account here she comes! I predict that she will not only make mucho moola giving speeches to her true believers but that she will eventually end up with some kind of television show as a celebrity host talk show thingie! She already has a book deal in the making for a reported seven million, but now that she has tasted celebrity-status, she is hooked and wants the fame and the money! Being the governor of Alaska was just not important to her anymore! McCain created a monster and she is going to try and make her fortune by talking, talking, talking on radio, television and at public speeches! I wouldnt put it past her to show up at MJ’s funeral for the exposure she would get!
Reply@benjaminbutton14:
ReplyHI BB14 – I have never been to lovely New Orleans but if you type in MapQuest and enter your location and your destination, I think it might tell you have to get from where you are to it! “Fossil Accessories” – sounds intriguing! Or just go to a local bar and ask around, I am sure someone there can help you out somehow! Good luck in your adventure.
To Tamara: Am reading Lady of Hay and LOVING IT! You are right – a good read and I am hooked! Site is slow again – so back to the 12th century. Talk to you all later.
Reply@ladybert62:
ReplyHahaha…. just got home… and already laughing hard…. I like your idea of Palin at MJ funeral….. didn’t even know until just now she retired…… well, everything is possible
@ladybert62: It’s so true. We almost switched doctors after that, but unfortunately he’s one of the best opthamologists in Wisconsin.
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyThanks Keane, I am still baffled as to how us discussing MJ and the drugs he took on this blog is going to change anything. Is the FDA reading here? What am I missing, how can we here change what the stars take or what they are prescribed?
@Court:
ReplyYou are in Wisconsin? If you dont mind, where? Hubby and I are from Milwaukee area and we just sold the house we had bought from my elderly aunt and uncle in Beloit at a loss! I also went to high school in Appleton – we are big Green Bay Packers fans – Boo to Bad Boy Bret Fahr!
@Kate:
ReplyHi Kate: We cant change anything except what we change about ourselves! John is on some kind of mission and wants to include us in his proselytizing! I just ignore him (mostly) when he rants on about MJ!
@John:
As I pointed out to Keane, you did not answer my question, so I still have no idea what your point is. John this is not a roster of names that are going to be submitted for change, nor is this the discussion forum, which we do have. You are welcome to go into that forum and start a thread if you wish on this and I doubt seriously anyone is going to come and post a word about Brange. Blogs are a bit different from threads on a message board. jmo Now as far as me encouraging people to come here, lol, ah no, I am not a cheerleader for this site, I have not even posted much at all in the last month. That is up to IAN if he wants to market his blog, but I believe he has said, if you want to post fine, if you don’t fine. He does not care, I do not care.Not sure why you got the idea otherwise.
I realize you are very passionate about this, there just is not that many here that are. For one, I am not convinced, even with all your articles, (which I skim past because it takes too long to read them and I don’t care that much) that MJ did not have other illnesses. If I read something on MJ it is because it interest me, not because someone is trying to build a case. You don’t need to try and prove your point. To be honest, either way, he is dead, illness or drugs does not change that, and going on and on and on about it does not change that, nor does it change the fact he was given the drugs. If you are that passionate perhaps a message board is not the place for you to be spending your energy. Why don’t you write an article, you are a talented writer, try to get it published somewhere. You are truly wasting your breath here. No one here is likely to run out and hire an attorney to file a class action suit , or whatever it is you think needs to be done. This is a gossip board, for entertainment. You can discuss this all day and all night for months, and it will not change a thing. Now if you want to buy IAN’s book and we discuss that, I am up for that. Otherwise, I am not interested, don’t care who comes over to chat, if there is nothing to chat about of the same interest, doesn’t much matter does it?
Reply@ladybert62:
ReplyHis passion is to be admired, but it is strange that he is wasting his efforts here.
@Kate:
I have that strange feeling , that this is a concentrated effort to dwell heavy and in length on the MJ issue, in order to surpress or push any gossip of AJ to last corner of back burner …. at all costs…. too professionally done for my taste…. but I maybe wrong of course
Reply@Ms Agatha:So what is up on the Brange front? Guess AJ still has Brad’s balls as he’s missed the perfect opportunity to say we split up.
On the MJ front, I’m not conviced Debbie Rowe does want the kids or $. If she did she would have been in court instantly. I do think she has legitimate concerns about the kids be around Joe Jackson. JMO he sure sounds like he’s demented. And dementia usually intensifies behavior, if he was violent toward his own children, he could be violent towards his grandchildren.
Reply@John:
John,
I’ve been reading this website/blog for months and have been enjoying everyone’s discussion. You are the first person who has made me want to reply. Angeloonies have come on and AJ herself has come and posted fake items and IAN himself hasn’t come on to moderate this board, so why do you think that you can set the rules here? You can’t tell people what to do on this board because you are not the moderator. I agree with whoever suggested that you start your own website, if you don’t like it.
Enjoy your 4th of July,
ReplyTherese
@Different Guest:
I think they are done. Kaput. BP is in L.A…. driving around on ailing bikes….had to be picked up by paparazzi whom he told he was on way to meeting and didn’t want to be filmed……. hmmmm …. AJ makes a point not to be found, playing mystery woman. I remember interview with Jenny Shimizu, quote : ‘ Sometimes we go to her property in Cambodia and explore the jungle.” …. well, would be my place of choice to hide… You are right about his balls : If he had any, he would have ask them back … guess, you can’t ask for what you don’t call your own…
As far as Joe J goes : Rowe has – pending – restraining order out against him…..he gives me the creeps… and he is old man now… can you imagine what he must have been like in his prime ?
Reply@Ms Agatha:Old men can be surprisingly strong and quick to lash out physically as well as verbally.
Reply@Kate:
Some people here say or claim that they don’t tell others what to do on a blog, forum, etc, you certainly have a lot to say about what you want to hear or in the way it is written on a MJ blog – forum or otherwise. And longevity here does not give you or anyone else here tenure, or any more credibilty than anyone else. People are equal. You and some others have been quite outspoken on this blog and for the most part, I never said anything. It is almost territorial; about what poster belongs here, almost like a dog fight. This is not necessary.
I am sorry you don’t want to talk about MJ and wish to focus more on AJ. There were a lot of blogs devoted to AJ of which I also contributed and no one said anything about the longer media posts I wrote as well as copied and pasted supporting articles to then, or any other posts I made because it seems it’s what you wanted to hear about. I don’t particularly like AJ, and voiced my concerns about her credibilty as a role model of which I feel she has a negative impact; no doubt why she attracted the likes of someone like Octomom. I don’t like that she only considers herself and didn’t care about her impact on JA or any other human being as well as globe trotting adopting children in every country of which she has people to take care of them for her, and claiming to be a humanitarian, with a history deep in drugs and seemingly insestuous relationship with her brother and jumping back and forth between the sexes. She doesn’t seem to have any strong ties as in true friendship with other women and you never see her with friends, so it would seem she is isolated. No doubt their relationship is a sham, but that said, this blog is about MJ; and I feel it takes in a lot more; about society, what is happening to it, in the same way AJ has been allowed to get away with the things she does by those who enable her, docs are overstepping their boundaries and are doing some dangerous things. If they hadn’t done the things they did to MJ, he wouldn’t have been such a mess on the outside; his face was a disgusting mess, and he most likely would have had to work out his problems without the crutch of drugs. I believe the mind is a powerful thing and what you think affects what happens to you.
MJ died of drugs; plain and simple and all the denials, excuses from some won’t change that. Many docs and lawyers and many close to MJ who tried to get him help over the years are saying he did not have any life threatening diseases at this point, that he was a hypochondriac who sought drugs for emotional pain and I tend to believe them – especially with the feds involved and a coroner who hasn’t pointed to disease. There are just simply too many people in MJ’s life who claim he was a hypochondriac, including doctors Sanjay Gupta, Deepak Chopra, lawyers, friends, colleagues. And, the articles that docs were surprised about how healthy he was at the time of death also reinforce that.
I’m sure there were many enablers in MJ’s life that tended to believe his hypochondria and excuses for pain, both emotional and physical just like they supported Anna Nicole and Elvis, and who knows how many others, but it doesn’t make it right and it doesn’t make them right. They need to wake up and take responsibilty; or they’ll allow it with someone else. It’s enabling and that’s how these people and others get into this situation, and how the doctors are able to abuse their roles, these people and situations. People need to become more aware and like you say, some people just don’t care and so this sort of thing will continue and there will be a trickle down effect.
The reason I have strong feelings on it, is because many of my close friends are doctors, who have expressed concerns about unscrupulous doctors who ruin it for them, and everyone else. They also claim they have not seen or heard as much of this before at this level and feel it’s very serious, since these are very serious drugs getting out there and you are hearing about this more and more. People trust their doctors and when a doctor betrays a trust; and there appears to be so many doctors out there who would risk their reputation, provide serious drugs like this, endanger someone’s lives for money, then this needs to be stopped. It’s just a matter of time before it gets into the schools and onto the streets.
Speaking of enablers; AJ is another person that has been enabled; gotten away with bad behavior because no one will say anything to her. She’s loaded with money and she seems to do as she pleases. For an opportunity to share in the money, her lifestyle, people stay close lipped, tell her what she wants to hear, much the same way as they did with Britney Spears. In the case of BS, her father intervened and saved her from what looked like a soon to be end similar to Anna Nicole or MJ.
Overall people need to care more, not just about drugs, but about integrity, rather than lying to people for the sake of power, money, notoriety, popularity or friendship. If they cared more, the tragic stories of MJ, Anna Nicole Smith, Elvis and the destructive lives of AJ, BS, would not take place. As long as friends, people in high places such as docs, lawyers, family members lie to keep the peace, status quo, money or power, then situations like this will continue. You are right, I have a passion for this subject: it matters to me. I have seen lives destroyed because of a lack of integrity; in the short term it can be the easy way out, long term it creates stress and negative and harmful results. You can skip over this post if you like; it’s long; whether it’s an article I have posted, or detailed information I have composed; it’s out there for those who choose to read or not read it.
Reply@John:
ReplyJohn, I have no problem with you or anyone else discussing MJ or whatever they like, my response was to you suggesting that we not discuss the Brange, you are as entitiled to as anyone is to talk about what you like but you can not expect others to join in the discussion if they ate not interested, common sense. I rarely commentbon the Royal Family because I am not that familiar with them or Obama because I am tired of the glorification of Michelle. However there are plenty of other topics that are posted here I do. As far as MJ goes though, what else is there to say? He died because of drugs , he is dead, that is all. It is tragic and it is over .It is now in the hands of the authorities. I just don’t see what else there is to say on that aspect of it , but feel free to blog away to whoever,and as others said we will continue to discuss what interest us also, no harm done.
morning all. john i must say you have a very professional and intellegent way of writting and yes please keep giving us information as i agree that there are enablers that help the money people, and even if we blog about our fav two brain dead stars it is nice to just read about what is going on with mj. any way enjoy your day as i must be off to work and go pay the staff or else i am in their bad books.
ReplyMy pov is that Palin is going to make as much money and garner as much pufflicity so she can stay on voters’ minds. She has been in the lower forty eight campaigning instead of doing the job that Alaskans elected her to do. It was a tiring process, flying to the lower forty eight and back to Alaska. Back and forth; back and forth!
Now she can concentrate on fund raising and keeping her name in the news; hob-nob with her more sophisticated peers and learn from them how to conduct herself for a run at the White House in 2012.
When she blasted David Letterman and demanded he apologize to women for his joke about her daughter, I thought she was sophisticated using that ploy. BUT, Sarah Palin had had an opportunity to demand an apology from two white male talk radio hosts, who made derisive, unmanly, perverted, hate-filled. sexual statements about Alaskan native women on the air. Not a peep from her that I know about! Instead the two transplanted (from San Diego) uglies got only a slap on the wrist; i.e. two weeks suspension.
Had these two made such statements about blacks and/or hispanics, the proverbial doo doo would have hit the fan! Indeed, a certain Mr. Iman got into deep trouble back east, when he made derogatory comments about young black women not that long ago!
Having said all that, I’m on Mr. Federer’s team! Love the guy! And I suspect, like many bloggers do, that Rafael Nadal is recovering from the effects of steroid abuse. And RF would have had a couple more titles under his belt if not for that. Note: Bloggers referred to RF’s sudden and amazing muscular growth. JMO!
Reply@ Alif – re: nadal, yes that’s what I heard on a Brit gossip site anyway, in the form of a BI. Couldn’t have been anyone but him tho, it was which major player is rumoured to be out of wimbledon because of injuries caused by use of a steroid that is undetectable in drugs tests & is still in widespread use. No-one else is out except him. The widespread use part made me wonder how many of the other players use it too. If one uses it then I would imagine others would have to as well to compete. This American guy I was talking to yesterday though thought it was just because Nadal played with such intensity that he had burned himself out like Leyton Hewitt. I always think though that if u need to apply such intensity to your game then u probably don’t have the skills or physical requirements in the first place. Federer and even Murray and Roddick right now make it look so easy, with Nadal and Hewitt it looks like they are both about to spontaneously combust in every game!
Reply@Ms Agatha:
Replybb14. I did read somewhere that AJ is in LA as well, but they are not together.
@benjaminbutton14:
ReplyShe is rumored to stay in her own house when in L.A…. the one she let’s her brother stay in, and nobody seems to know exactly where it is. We haven’t seen any pics of her or the kids though for quite some time. If she were in L.A., by now we should have gotten a glimpse of her . I remember interview wit Jenny (remember Ian said, AJ is with a woman at the moment) where Jenny said: If AJ wanted to be left alone, they (she and her) would go to Cambodia…. don’t forget the two had a 10 year long relationship !
@Kate:
Kate, I feel there is a lot to say about the MJ situation. Sure, he is dead and died of drugs, however, some of the problems are also present with other stars and famous people; it is the doctors here who are largely responsible, as well as the many people around him. Family, friends who enable are just as responsible as they are the ones who are there every day who could be honest together at the risk of loss of friendship, and could also intervene. Most people aren’t aware that much of psychiatry is a bit of a sham; drugs are a crutch and doctors are a business. While a good psychiatrist understands what is going on; and can treat someone, he or she is only as successful as the people around the “patient”, in other words; a dysfunctional family and friends including the docs helped make the person sick. I had friends who worshipped their spouses and or kids; did everything for them and turned them into monsters by not being able to set limits and being so needy they had to be around them all of the time and couldn’t say no to them or walk away from situation for a while when they knew they were doing wrong; they caved into them, were their doormat and didn’t have their own life or identity. It is the mentality of the person around these people that is dangerous for these people. Most people want yes people around them to boost their ego, tell them what they want to hear, do as they wish.
An example of this is JA. She is a very good person, and I suspect either Brad and or Jennifer was needy during the time of their relationship together; one idolized the other, was more vulnerable, setting themselves up for failure. If it was Jennifer who was needier at the time, it appears she has learned a valuable lesson and if the rumours are true I can see why Brad would now be drawn to her. If the needier was Brad, it appears he has not learned a lesson – or he has gotten himself in too deep with the children they have adopted: United Nations I call it, and he’s not certain how to get out – which is part of the neediness of not being able to set limits (ie, why Brange most likely have all of the kids they have and he’s looking after them all). There are similarities between AJ situaiton and the MJ situaiton; AJ likes to carve her body up with tattoos and she’s anorexic, MJ liked to disfigure his face, and he was also anorexic. Both have taken drugs, who knows if AJ gets drugs from various docs; the point is, she doesn’t get this way unless people are enabling her, be it a doctor, her partner in a relationship – male or female who ever that is for AJ at the time, family, friends. Her isolation from friends doesn’t help her either.
As far as Michelle Obama, she is a good role model. She doesn’t worry about being liked; she dresses to suit herself, but identifies with the rich and poor alike as well as those in between. She’s not afraid to be outspoken, and she will help black women set more limits and boundaries with their partners, which is currently a problem in society. Black males leave their spouses, children, many without child support. both these men and their spouses have low self esteem and needy spouses who are trying to be perfect and good and who do everything for them, afraid to set limits for fear of loss. Perhaps they feel they have to be martyrs. No one has come in there and changes things. Enter Michele Obama, who is her own person. She’s no god no matter how the media portray her, she certainly doesn’t cave into Barack; nor he to her. She is a person who is comfortable in her own skin, not afraid to take risks including a more casual look in the white house, and decorating the house from Target, to higher end stores. She certainly is not stuffy, and that’s most likely why the Queen embraced her. She is refreshing. As a man, I can tell you we admire that in a woman. While a sweet passive lady might work short term for some men; always getting their way, never having to change, or be on a level playing field gets boring and then that sweet passive lady who never questions everything and gives the guy everything he asks for, gets dumped. No one wants a b***ch either, just someone who is respectful, comfortable with themselves that knows how to communicate, is positive in their thinking and can set limits and ask for what they like, and realize they will hear no sometimes as well; there are limits, boundaries for everyone.
The topic of MJ goes beyond his death; it is the study of people; how he and the people like him, such as AJ, get this way. The problem has alot to do with the people around the sick individual; as they have helped them become this way. Until those who surround these individuals get better and healthier (healthy, confident, positive thinking), he or she doesn’t get better – unless they discontinue to associate with them, or the person gets healthy through intervention or setting limits themselves. You can apply the MJ situaiton to many stars, in various degrees. You can also on a smaller scale compare it to the average family situaion; as I said, I have friends who put their spouses on a pedestal and created a monster; they would have done it with who ever they married at is was their belief to do everythign for their spouse and it left them abused. I would imagine MJ mother wasn’t strong enough to tell old Joe a thing or two and leave him earlier in her life when it would have mattered. I’d say she was too needy and pandered to old Joe, and with 5 kids, put herself in a tough bind. An honest doc will tell you that she is just as responsible for the way MJ turned out as the dad; as she wasn’t doing her part in terms of being honest and setting limits. I would imagine, she tried too hard to be liked and worried about what others thought of her, she was too needy to set limits and say no or walk away from Joe Jackson. She created a monster in him, she should have left him if he was abusing their children. Then it seems to overcompensate for the abuse she put them through, she spoiled her children in other ways and created monsters with them. It became a vicious circle.
MJ may be dead; but the circumstances in his situaiton and so many others like his; in varying degrees is not. It is very alive and well and needs to be addressed in every day relationships with family, friends, as well it needs to be addressed with doctors who have studied dependencies in people, families and are taking advantage of wrong learning, vulnerable situation, people which has been reinforced over time with lack of purpose, integrity, with the aid of needy doctor, a needy partner, family member as well as most importantly the needy insecure, self which develops and reinforces bad habits. There are a lot of stars who will end up like MJ if they don’t get help. And on a smaller scale, there are a lot of every day people who will also meet their demise earlier if they don’t get help and decide to change themselves. People need one another to do this, it takes awareness, maturity, right thinking, setting limits, respect, integrity, values and a lot of hard work.
Reply@ladybert62:
ReplyOh! I think you are going to looooooove it! She does the historical reincarnation bit really well, and you’ll find yourself wondering who in modern life is who in medeival times. Matilda de Braose was a real figure in history. Her castle was in Hay on Wye in Wales, and I told you about how the Magna Carta was created as a result of King Johns treatment of her and her family. Im so glad you’re loving it!!!
Re AJ; from my perspective she is a person who is accustomed to getting her way, and will dump anyone who gets in her way, or doesn’t give her her own way. She needs to hook up with a guy who is her emotional equal; who really doesn’t see her as anyting special and sees her for what she is, and is not afraid to say no and or walk away. Of course, she would go into a tirade at first, take a temper tantrum, sulk, act like a chld, threaten to cut them out of her relationship – as she did her father when he told the truth about her, but if he were to pull away first, it would be her being dumped and she would not be able to manage that. No one likes to be dropped. That is a motivator and she would change. Why? Because she too is needy and needs men in her life to make her feel important and valued and to take care of her brood of 6 kids. She can’t be a movie star, galavanting around the world as a humanitarian (joke) without someone taking care of these kids now can she. It’s not the threats that cause people to change, but the actual actions, loss be it temporary or permanent that ignites and fosters change. Respect has to be there. Brad must first respect himself, and not be afraid of the loss, of kids, money. He needs to do what matters and is important, or he will never have confidence or a healthy relationship. Perhaps now, he realizes the need to hear “I love you, lets have kids” is not as important as a demonstration of real love; discipline in self, setting limits, good communciation, not always having to hear ” I love you” knowing what love is, not always having to have romance, sex, knowing what a good partnership, friendship is – which is one of respect, values, integrity, which inovles friends, family, hobbies, a healthy lifestyle with ones own life as well as the one the partners have together.
Reply@Ms Agatha:
ReplyI totally agree. I don’t mind so much talking about MJ. What I can’t stand is John’s cut and paste of ridiculously long material. Every post seems to be pages long. In fact I don’t even read all of the text because it’s just too much.
I wish he would shorten his posts. I haven’t been posting lately because i really can’t get into 24/7 Michael jackson. i hear enough of it on the news………
@Kate:
ReplyThank you. I agree. He should write a book as it seems he has allot to say and i don’t think this is the best forum to express his thoughts. This blog IS pure entertainment and WAS once allot of fun…….
I am not cutting and pasting but taking time to compose my own feelings and posting on issues. Tobycat, you don’t like reading my long posts that I ake time to think about and respond and I don’t like reading your posts that have no meaning and are full of complaints about my posts, so ignore mine and i’ll ignore your insults.
Reply@ladybert62:
ReplyWho was it who said: “The Coldest Winter I Ever Spent was The Summer I Spent in San Francisco” hahaha!! Was it Charlie Chaplin? The rest of the world is in a heat wave, but not San Fran Oh No! hahahaha
John, are you paid by the word?
Reply@John:
I know this is probably splitting hairs, but John, you might want to decide whether you are thoughtfully putting out your own feelings, or if you are cutting and pasting, cos you contradicted yourself in two different posts. See below. Cos, its my opinion that if you ARE cutting and pasting then you could possibly just give us the link, as Keane suggested earlier to those. This would cut the length of your posts down in half. Just a suggestion.
Kate, I am copying and pasting facts into threads about MJ.
ReplyI am not cutting and pasting but taking time to compose my own feelings and posting on issues
@Tamara:
ReplyNope, not Chaplin, this was attributed to Mark Twain but he denies having said it, so it’s still a mystery! hahaha
This blog is not just pure entertainment; it is about life issues and people as posted in Ian’s book. He posts all sorts of topics – not just the entertaining ones; he talks about more sensitive topics and life and death. I don’t think Ian had in mind pure entertainment when he posted about David Carradine, Michael Jackson’s death – otherwise that is just capitilizing on someone’s death for money. Sure there are articles that are for fun, and those are usually here, but for now, they are not. Ian has posted on MJ and the causes of his death, what contributed, behind the scenes information. Do you ladies have difficulty discussing on intimate levels; and I’m not talking about; ” I love you” type of intimacy.
Most of Ian’s posts are entertianing and I’ve participated in them, but he offers other posts as well, and I’m participating in those. These posts now aren’t cut and paste, as some of you complained anyone can cut and paste. So, I took the time to write and explain.
I would think you ladies would want people including stars to get better and live healthier lives, so that you wouldn’t have to discuss these topics, but herhaps you want to keep these stars and well known people in a needy state of suffering and dysfunction so that you can gossip about them and have “fun” with their misery. Because MJ is dead and there is nothing further to report on his life: ie gossip, you think there is nothing more to discuss about his life, the tragedy and how to prevent it in future? I am getting a strong feeling here from what Tobycat said that she would rather see stars suffering and in mysery so that she can complain and gossip about them, rather than healthy getting better because she may not have anything more to talk about. That is exactly how it comes across to a guy reading this. I hope that is not the same for the majority here for if it is, this site will go downhill and die a most natural death awfully fast. like anyone I can engage in some gossip, but I also like some substance and reality also. I have a full work and family life, have friends as well as volunteer to assist seniors and I enjoy balance in my life in all areas. I don’t bother too much with subjects that don’t interest me much, so I won’t write about them or respond to the articles or posts. So, soon as Ian starts posting again on the all of the hot Hollywood gossip, I won’t be there. I ‘d rather those people got heatlhy.
ReplyJohn, I totally hear what you’re saying.
Reply@John:
ReplyI believe the subtitle of this blog includes “pop culture news and views”. Are you saying we are here to save the world ? Ack, Im still in my jammies !
I really believe you are giving a gossip blog a little too much credit. We have no influence over any celebrity, they are going to do what they want to do. Its called money and fame.
All these nifty Hollywood Gossip blogs – I never knew we were supposed to be psychologists to the Stars! Surely they can afford their own doctors.
John, as a matter of fact, you are distracting us from saving the world. You better just mosey on over to Dr. Drew’s site.
ReplyLet’s not be too mean to John. He is posting thoughtful and meaningful information, it just might be a little too much for us, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be respected IMO
Reply@Tamara:
ReplyI mean, he obviously has a real insight into this story but this blog probably isn’t the best case to showcase it. Kate suggested he write an article, I think that’s a great idea!!
@Tamara:
ReplyOops, meant to say “best place”
@Tamara:
ReplyHI Tamara – Yes I am loving it! WIll do chores, check this site and then back to 12th century for me! Any more recommendations?
@ John – nobody ever said they didn’t want someone to get better, they just said we aren’t that interested in MJ. So in time-honoured IUC tradition we are talking about whatever else we feel like: books, pets, personal issues, the tennis, brange whatever comes into our heads. Feel free to continue talking about MJ with whoever else is interested and the rest of us will talk about whatever else we’re interested in. But if I could put in a request for less copying and pasting and more posting of links. I am reading this on a blackberry and it takes hours to scroll through. But as for the rest of it just carry on doing whatever you fancy, as we will.
ReplyJohn does make a good point. We do mock the afflicted here. That said, I find MJ’s life and death sad- sad for him, sad for others. There were people he was victimised by and those he victimised. YES I KNOW, the paedophilia charges were not proven but to my mind buyng white children via an evil surrogate and god knows whose sperm is victimisation of those kids.
ReplyHowever, this is a gossip blog. And yes, there are some I do not wish the best for and would happily sit on here all day gloating over their downfall. Not death you understand- I wouldn’t wish that on anyone- too superstitious- but I think if the holy family broke up I would laugh all day.
@ladybert62:
ReplyKind of makes a person think twice about being hypnotized! hahaha
money, money,money….ABBA
ReplyEveryone else can just ignore this, it won’t be interesting Im sure, just a note to Ladybert:
I told you after I read the book that I went to Hay on Wye. Visited the ruins of her castle etc. Come to find out it was a lovely quaint village, very small, but with the most unusual feature. Hay has more historical books in its one little village then any other city in the UK! I mean, every door led into a dusty old bookstore where you could find literally almost anything you are looking for. Anything that is except real documented history on Matilda de Braose! LOL And this is HER town LOL Anyway, after an exhausting day visiting every bookstore in town, we were on our way to the car park and stopped in one last place, a newspaper agent. I told the owner what I was doing in town and he said Oh! You just missed Mr, Erskine, Barbara Erskine’s father. He did all the research for the book and he comes in every morning to get his paper, you just missed him! Well, I almost started crying LOL I gave the newsagent my name and phone number and he gave it to his daughter and she wrote me a letter!! I responded and we kept up a slight correspondence for about a year!! I still have the note inside my copy of the Lady of Hay – she lives in a home called Cucumber Hall! hahahaha This book really fired my imagination and I just HAD to go to her castle and tried very hard to will myself back to her time! LOL Slight exaggeration.
ReplyThus far i have enjoyed this site because IT IS a gossip site. It is for entertainment. I don’t personally care about anyone in HW. I like to unwind after a long days work and chit-chat amongst the other bloggers on this site. I am not on here to solve any crimes or change anyones opinion. Until recently it was enjoyable. I do not enjoy John’s long posts so i will take his advise and not read them. John as you stated you can do the same and skip over my comments.
Reply@John:
ReplyNo, I don’t enjoy other peoples misery. But I also have no connection to the people/entertainers discussed on this blog. Yes, very sad MJ passed away. I do believe he was a huge talent. However, much like Elvis, Kurt Cobain ect. it looks like drug use was most likely the cause of his death. Don’t care if you want to talk about MJ. But like several other posters on this board have mentioned your long posts are too much. Keane gave an excellant suggestion of just copying and pasting a link.
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Why is that what others say in 40 words you say in 1,0000?
Reply@lizzieb:
ReplyNo, Keane is paid by the word!
You arseholes.
ReplyKeane’s drivel is OK, but John’s is not?
HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Tamara:
ReplyYes indeedy – the idea is intriguing!
@Tamara:
ReplyDang, that is fascinating Tamara! I would love to go to Wales – fell in love with it when I read the Sharon Kay Penman and the Ellis Peters books! (Of course my main impression of wales is a little old – 12th century but the forests and mountains are still there arent they?) And to think you actually started a correspondence with the writer’s family – I am jealous! Have you ever tried hynposis? I would never do it as I must always be in control of my and my life (yes I have problems with authority-figures as my old boss used to tell me – good thing he had the same problem and understood it!).
@Unfuckingbelievable:
ReplyOh Geez, chill out will ya?
@Unfuckingbelievable:
ReplyUFB! Where have you been, haven’t seen you lately. I guess you just came back to cuss and shout at us so we don’t forget you! hahahaha
@Unfuckingbelievable:
Get a life UFB, you have never been able to manage a single bit of input on this blog other than to abuse me. Do I come to Dlisted to do that to you? I couldn’t give a damn about you, what you think of me or what you think about anything else. I just feel sorry for you that you’ve got nothing better to do with your life. Although admittedly when you did make a comment before that wasn’t about me (which you were so proud of yourself for), you made yourself look so stupid you got laughed off the blog. Yeah so I do understand I suppose why you always stick to attacking others and never make an independent comment yourself. It would expose you to the ridicule you are so afraid of wouldn’t it? Must suck to feel so inadequate. Try to develop a sense of self-worth and one day you’ll feel a lot happier. Bye UFB, hope you have a better life one day.
Reply@Tamara:
I just feel bad for her, this is as good as life gets for her. I think she’s just desperate for attention. I can’t remember a single thing she ever said on Dlisted and I doubt many people could. She’s one of those people who’s been ignored and overlooked by people all of her life for whatever reason and it’s made her bitter. I do genuinely feel bad for her.
Reply@Unfuckingbelievable:
Oh and re: your question, because it’s a joke you effing moron. GET A CLUE.
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyA blast from the past huh? Haven’t seen her around in quite awhile. Then when she does show up all she does is YELL at us! hahahaha!!
@John:
ReplyJohn, I can agree with every word you said , but the problem is we do not control other peoples lives. I understand you are interested in this, for myself I want to see what IAN has to say in his book, so until I have read it I really don’t have anything to say on MJ. As far as the doctors and drugs go, that will not be solved here, and people have to take responsibility for themselves. You will not change my mind on that, I come from a very strong law enforcement background, while my immediate family keeps me entertained my pop and his did not. AN is a mother of six children, that is reason enough not to destroy her life as far as I am concerned, same with MJ, when you bring kids in you owe them and your vanity and problems taken second place. I am not a shrink or a lobbyist nor do I want to be. This was horrible when it happened to ANS and it is now and it will be the next time, but there will always be enablers in Hollywood and you are being naive if you believe otherwise.
Should have said AJ is a mother of six
Replysorry girls but i found johns bit on aj and bp quite refreshing and insightfull, did not mind reading his opinion on them it was well put and well written. i also some times ramble on and wish i could express myself in shorter terms but being a gemini it is hard. we are having a few good days in sa and this winter it seems the weather is not so bad as last year. i must learn to link photos then maybe i can show you some of south africas beautifull people and places, just so that those of you that have no knowleldge of sa can see parts of it . well goodnight and have a good weekend all.
Reply@Tamara:
She ran off with her tail between her legs when she made the major mistake of actually making a comment rather than just trying to find anything she could think of about something I’d said to attack. I did to her exactly what she does to me just to show her how easy it was. Ridicule and abuse is pretty easy, you can come up with something in that vein with practically anything anyone ever says. Make an actual comment and you expose yourself to the possibility of attack or ridicule. That’s why UFB is afraid of it. She is a big yellow-livered coward. And abusing me on this blog is as exciting as her life gets. I’m sure she has all of our deepest sympathies.
Reply@ladybert62: We live in Waukesha! I grew up in Milwaukee, though. I have never been to Beloit- sorry you lost money.
Reply@jan/sa:
ReplyI would love to see pics !
@jan/sa:
ReplyBrad and Angelina in my mind and in many others, do not exist as a couple any longer. The Brange is over.
So in that regards when I hear that term it makes me think of the past, not present tense. Now I just think of Brad as single and Angelina with whoever she is banging at the time.It just has not been formally announced. Brad is single or maybe not. if anyone is paying attention to the whispers around LA and some of the media you will notice that there are many that are aware as well and that are very subtly hinting at it, as in Elizabeth Sneads last snipe in the LA Times where she slid in that AJ borrowed Brad from Jen. That is not the first article to come out suggesting that there is a reconciliation in the works. As IAN said in the past, no one can figure out why they are holding on the split news, well, maybe this is why, and maybe after July 12th and the premier of IB we will find out more. So as to Brad and Jolie splitting, that is done jmo Those sources from Brads camp that IAN quoted several times, I do believe, and that started months and months ago. Who knows if they will ever reconcile, but they are definitely friends at this point, and Brad and Angelina are further from that point. Again my opinion. If they were sited anywhere it was probably to avoid being seen coming out of a attorney’s office. We may see another load of total BS form him in his promotion of this movie, or maybe not, whatever sells, means nothing. Maybe IAN can predict the announcement date.
bb14. Can some-one please tell me who John is. I did read his piece on BP/AJ/JA and found it well written and most accurate but that’s about all. I have to say that MJ was a great entertainer and will be never another one like him. But other great entertainers have passed on as well. But he has gone and nothing we say will ever bring him back. Let’s move on to something else, as Ladybert 62 posted Brangie is much more fun.
Reply@Kate:
I reckon he will keep up the pretence for the duration of promoting IB, then it will be her turn to promote Salt do you think? Or does he have another project coming out before that? She will cling on to the pretence of the relationship for dear life I would have thought, she knows that when that relationship hits the fan she will be in deep doo doo. If a PR person can get her out of this one the way they got her out of the hook up they really need to rename themselves Houdini. Life will be so much trickier for her after they announce the split. She won’t be able to traipse around the world with them any more. People will say, shouldn’t they be in a stable home so they can see their father regularly, shouldn’t they be in a regular school and have regular friends, the poor things have been through enough with the split etc. She won’t be able to flaunt her relationships or sexuality for publicity either, she is a mother of 6 now, she would be roasted for it. And I don’t think middle America would take too well to her hooking back up with a woman again when she’s been playing Mr and Mrs America for such a long time. She’s backed herself into a corner in a major way with this in my view. The hook up with Brad and all the kids has been far too high rish a strategy for her in my view. Yes it catapaulted her to the top, but I think it also has the ability to throw her to the very bottom again if she’s not very careful. All she can cling on to now is the mother teresa, humanitarian, Saint Angelina image which is why she is doing all the “refugees are awesome” interviews and making hefty donations to charity. For Brad it will be much easier, men get forgiven for so much more, especially if he goes back to Jen. He’ll come out of it vrtually unscathed in fact in my opinion. And if he does get back with Jen it will of course be even worse for Ange, people will say well I guess she got hers, what goes around comes around etc. So let’s hope he does just to give us all a good laugh hey? Oh and I’m sure revenge will be sweet for Jen!
Reply“She won’t be able to traipse around the world with the children” I meant to say of course, too much vino!
ReplyBTW, as this thead is about MJ, I will throw a little comment in about him. It seems like I can’t walk past a bar, a shop or a car without hearing MJ’s music blaring out of the CD player. It reminded me why I’ve never been that interested in MJ; I don’t actually like his music that much. A bit of the Jackson 5 yes, maybe a couple of tracks from his early solo career, but really none of the rest. I don’t really think he was a musical genius, his music has never done anything for me. A great dancer and performer yes, but the music didn’t float my boat at all. Anyone else?
Reply@benjaminbutton14:
ReplyThankyou, that is what i was trying to express earlier!
Earth to IUC, earth to IUC, can you read me over? This is ground control to IUC, we seem to have lost commuincation. Can you read me over? Is anybody out there?
Reply@John:
The terrible irony of all this sadness and waste is , that ordinary people are much better at dealing with life’s difficulties than any star with a fawning entourage and an inflated sense of their own worth.
ReplyWe can cope with being let down or rejected. We can keep it together in a way that stars and celebrities gradually lose the ability to. Celebrity is not a free pass to the most selfish and impervious behavior. Behind their gated mansions , these people have become monsters, convinced of their own power and privilege, immune to the civilized constraints of real life . Celebrities have fallen victims to their grandiose self ….. at one point they started believing in their own image ….. not their environment is to blame, but only the celebrity itself , who created the inviroment in the first place…
Fox News just reporting that between 500 000 and 1 Million people will attend MJ funeral….. best stay at home !
Reply@Different Guest:
ReplyHi Different : Here is the link …http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/25/world/africa/25orphan.html …. thanks again !
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyI didn’t even know, she can count to three … lol
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:I was never on the MJ bandwagon either. I was in grad school during his heyday, didn’t even own a tv.
Reply@Ms Agatha:I thought it was the NYT, isn’t it an interesting concept. Doubt Madonna or AJ read it.
@Different Guest:
ReplyThey read only cut outs, and only if it’s about THEM … they are too busy scooping up babies in 3rd world countries …. in search for personal meaning and purpose in deserts and jungles ….the more exotic the locale, the better they look….. and the better the photos in the backdrop ..
@Different Guest:
ReplyCan’t wait for Mad to write his first book : Mother, me and Uncle Pit lol
@Court:
ReplyDamn, that sounds really terrible. I just don’t understand how he can have a needle go through his eyeball and not get anything to relax him during the process. My docs prescribe Valium on me without any hesitation – I suffer from panic attacks. Every doc I’ve had since 17 has prescribed me Valium. While my panic attacks are pretty bad (they called for the paramedics when I was going through Heathrow airport), I would still think that having a procedure such as that would certainly deem a pill – especially if it’s just once a month!
Ian, you say you feel MJ didn’t molest those who accused him. What is your definition of molestation?
Reply@John:
The problem is you sound like you are lecturing as opposed to just sharing an opinion. And as far as MJ’s demise, I’m 100 percent sure that there will be a veritable pharmacy in the toxicology report. However, this blog is not what is going to change the situation. It is the LAPD and the DEA and the FDA – all who have been asked to help and find out where these drugs came from. Federal law enforcement is the answer, and even with that, people will still get high in LA, just as they do in other american cities and the the rest of the world. The only difference is others go to their heroin dealer or page their Coke dealer and buy their prescriptions off the street. You are very gung ho on discussing MJ’s addictions and how they were handled – but I think that what most people are saying in essence is: let’s see the toxicology report, let’s see who become persons of interest, let’s see what the DEA does.
BTW, I am not criticising – if this is that important to you then it’s valid. But really, I have read all your posts on this thread and the further down I went, the more I felt like I was being lectured to as opposed to just reading another user’s comments and thoughts.
ReplyTo Harikari: Ms Agatha; and jan/sa:
Thank you for the response. Much appreciated.
It was unbelievalbe listening and reading some comments about Jackson’s made up or exaggerated illnesses in the media and also on here as possible cause of death, when it was obvious he was so into drugs and a hypochondriac. That came from docs, laywers, friends. Making excuses for him, coming out with mystery diseases was in part the way he and those like him thrive; through hoping to pull the wool over everyones eyes, and have people enabling him – buying into the deception, hype, stories. They just aren’t real. It’s obvious by looking at him, watching him over the years that his claims weren’t real. The docs that contributed to his drug addictions, and messed up face; tell a big story. You people are intelligent on this blog; why would you buy into the weird claims?
Yes, I did like some of Jackson’s music; not just the Jackson Five, but Thriller, Man in the Mirror were great. There of course were some pieces I did not like, and were very forgettable. Overall, he was a brilliant performer who could have achieved so much more had he been more disciplined, had more meaning and purpose and a better crowd around him; people who were honest and not just in it for the money and power.
Ordinary people are no better in dealing with something like this than a star, unless they have a good network of friends, family around them that they know they can trust. the only difference between a star and the average person is; the average person doesn’t have the money that would draw people to them who might lie to them so that they might get something from them. However, that said, when a person gets to this star status, or become wealthy they are treated differently by those around them; those who want something from them; they tell them what they want to hear so there is less honest input. They become less grounded and more vulnerable. Everyone has an ego and it’s difficult to keep grounded in this sense unless you have a lot of people around you who you can trust.
While celebrities may have fallen victims to their larger than life self…. it is their fans who demand of them; this blog is just one example of fans getting very involved with living celebretiies, talking about them, demanding things from them, criticizing them. The fans feel let down if the celeb does not perform, acts a certain way, etc. At some point I would think Jackson did not believe in his own image, he very much doubted himself; he had a lot going on behind the scenes; take a look at the actions of his father and it’s pretty obvious to see why he was so meesed up. Jackson had been performing since he was a young child. He did not have a normal life, did not know what normal was. Jackson most definitely did not believe in his image, and that’s why he kept changing it, his face, his hair, and everything else. He had very low self esteem and a very poor image of himself. He and his environment are both to blame, not just the celebrity himself; not just the environment. Many of the stars are managed by agents, and have little control over their own lives. Look at Britney spears, who never knew who to cling on to. Who were Jackson’s role models? A self serving and abusive father; doctors who gave out drugs like candy, a mother who was too nice who couldn’t stand up to the father; fans who kept wanting him to perform and laughed at his wild and irratic behavior, an ex wife Presley who had to leave him becasue she felt the docs and his entourage were taking over and he’d end up the same way as her father.
Years ago, a friend won a big lottery to the tune of millions. They said they would continue to work and not change; but you know, every charity called them up, reporters, businesses, etc were calling them up at the work place, they were being followed around, hounded by media, and by who ever else was able to find them; friends from years ago were coming out of the woodwork, people were gushing over them, businesses were opening doors to them, they were pretty much given the key to the city; it was unreal. Eventually, this person had to quit work – which you knew had to happen; all within about 2 weeks of being an instant millionaire. They simply said their life had changed so much in this brief time and they needed to lay low and go into hiding for a while until things settled down. They said the demands on them were so high; people, friends, some family, and charties were hoping for financial aid from them, they had no idea how some people got their phone number. There were a few articles on them in the news. Those who didnt’ get what they wanted from this person called them selfish as well as all sorts of other names until it became so much that they were forced into hiding. This person shared with me that they can’t even begin to imagine how a celebrity, politician, etc must feel or live. They decided to disappear for a year or so, and traveled to quiet areas and later came back to a location close by but continued to live a very private life which they say they was not easy to do. They have invested their money, and the one spouse holds a job to keep their sanity, do something meaningful and get out of the house. They gave some money to charity but put a limit on the number of charities.
Entertainers can’t so easily go into hiding not if they expect to work, or perform at all; after all what else can they do at that point. Entertainers cant’ get away as easily as my friend could; there would be greater demands on them, to perform, donate, everythign would be scrutiinzed from what they wore, to how they smile, look, and what they would say.
Replybb14. I have just been surfing thru the net when I come across “Female First” Forum I have never heard of them, but my god they seem to know a lot more than us regarding BP/JA/AJ . I wonder where they get all their info from. I skimmed thru some of their posts and they seem to know a lot on that subject.
ReplyHaving coached athletes I have learned alot about the athlete and their families. It’s quite sad how some parents treat their children; neglect them, abuse them, make unrealistic demands on them, or buy them off and have little to do with them. In many cases team sports help these kids function; think of others than just protecting themselves, overcome their shyness or lack of confidence. It gets them to communicate and reach out to others; but of course some are more difficult to reach as the wounds; abuse goes deep. Seeing their struggles, seeing some of them overcome obstacles with their peers who try to get them into taking drugs, seeing these kids overcome their fears, insecurities is rewarding. It’s not easy and it takes many people working together to get some positive results. These kids need help in order to get on the right path; and while we can’t save the world or even pretend to, and some days maybe barely able to save oursleves, if we can reach out and even help one person; just by being more aware, by standing for something, not being enablers, not standing for the status quo; by standing up to doctors who take advantage of kids; celebretiies – getting involved on blogs, media about these docs and families who aren’t honest with their kids and don’t set limits, or abuse their kids to the point that they can’t stand themselves and they carve up their faces, etc. Honesty doesn’t have to be said in anger or in a negative way; there is power in honesty. It’s not always easy and some may not like to hear it; they react, avoid and reject the idea. But at least if nothing else, you have voiced a legitimate concern and know that by doing so, you have attempted to make life for somoene a little bit better or healthy for someone.
People used to care more years ago IMO when life was simpler; but we have all become so busy now, our lives more compex, that we don’t seem to have time for those around us who need our help. Face it, sometimes we need others help. We all need one another to develop and learn.
Reply@ladybert62:
Palin resigned because there’s pending federal indictments against her for embezzlement. Apparently, while as mayor, she used materials meant for the construction of the Wasilla Sports Complex in the construction of own home. What gives this story ammunition is the fact that her lawyer is now threatening to sue websites and bloggers who even attempt to discuss this topic. It’s a form of intimidation against her critics.
BTW Ian, everybody’s sick of Jacko being all over the TV. It’s time to plant him in the ground and get back to covering Angelina Jolie.
ReplyMs Agatha said on July 4th, 2009 at 6:47 am
@benjaminbutton14:
She is rumored to stay in her own house when in L.A…. the one she let’s her brother stay in, and nobody seems to know exactly where it is.
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The paparazzi know where James Haven lives. James owns the home. There are such things as public records. The paps have even taken pictures of Haven at his home. There are no credible reports that Jolie stays at Haven’s house. If there were the paps would be staking out his home.
The Jolie Pitts have a large compound with a number of entrances on different streets. The city enacted traffic regulations that make it difficult, if not impossible, for the paparazzi to loiter in the area of the Jolie Pitt home. Neighbors see to it that the parking regs are enforced. If Jolie and the kids are home in Los Feliz then there may not be much need to leave. Jolie and some of the kids were spotted by several people at Trader Joe’s in LA last Monday. Two Australian tourists reported seeing Jolie and Pitt in the Roosevelt Hotel the morning of the day Michael Jackson died IIRC. For the exact date see news reports of it.
Reply@ John
ReplyI like reading your post
Seems like the nanny was the secret Brit girlfriend, and the family member who called her hours after MJ’s death according to her was his mother Katherine! Apparently Grace controlled who had access to Michael including family members which may be why he was out of touch with a lot of them for some time before his death. Apparently when the children heard of MJ’s death they cried for her and she has now been asked by Katherine to go help comfort them. She was the main mother figure in their life according to this security guard and should be raised by her:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/07/04/wold-exclusive-jackson-s-secret-girlfriend-was-former-nanny-grace-rwaramba-115875-21494859/
And Britain’s answer to Angelina Jolie, Katie Price, takes a leaf out of her US equivalent’s book to help save her image and career after considerable negative press. Yes folks she is launching the Katie Price Foundation, a charity for children which by including her name in the title also serves to promote herself. Seems like charity is the PR get-out for everyone these days. If it can save the career of a homewrecker, I guess it can work for a woman who belittled her husband at every opportunty and cares more about herself, her career and getting publicity than her own children. Or have the public become more cynical and clocked on to it nowadays? From the opinions written underneath some of the stories I have read today it seems like it is a possibility:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/07/05/katie-price-set-to-launch-her-own-charity-115875-21495006/
ReplyOne thing that is important to me is honesty. If people choose to listen to me or not, that’s up to them, but at least I am confident in that I have planted seeds of truth about self destructive, or destructive behavior. Whatever someone does is up to them. I’ve been fortunate in that I’m close to many doctors who have shared some of their knowledge with me about various behavioral and health issues. Additionally, I have taken my own life experiences where I have turned a negative into a positive and learned something from it. Additionally, Positive thinking goes a long way. The mind is a very powerful tool and what you believe you can make happen by virtue of your beliefs, actions. Negative thinking and fear causes stress, worry, and makes people tired, procrastinate and sick. I like to surround myself with positive people and thoughts and try to see the good in things. I am thankful for that which comes my way. They may not always be fun things or positive, but if I learn something than I am happy.
No one can make anyone do anything they don’t wish to do, but honesty, respect and integrity go a long way. I like to have fun like everyone else and I do have fun. At the end of each day I know I can live with myself and have no regrets.
ReplyOn another note: have Gwen Stefani and Gavin Rossdale announced their split yet? Last year’s Wimbledon final he was sat in the royal box with Gwen. This year he is either solo or with a young man, I can’t tell! Interesting…..!
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Damm so Ian was wrong again when he claimed that Micheal Jackson was gay! Thinking back there actually were rumors that Jackson was going to marry his nanny! Ah well. Just like Ian was wrong when he claimed that the singer had Alpha 1 which seriously damaged his lungs – strangely there was abolutely NO mention of that when the autopsy results were revealed!
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyOh No! I actually thought they were a solid couple, notwithstanding his predilection for boys! haha But thought that was all worked out. Saw a pic of him on PH the other day wearing a sheer black shirt circa 1980. hahaha
P Hilton has a video of Marcheline Bertrand when she was very young, and the resemblance to AJ is uncanny! Not only her looks but her voice, the kind of coming on to you look on her face and in her voice. Someone else watch it and tell me what you think. I think AJ comes by it naturally and learned everything she knows from her mother.
Reply@Truth:
ReplyWow Truth – that is interesting. I had read comments in articles that threw some dirt on her and Hunky Todd’s dealing with that complex – up to and including how they obtained their beautiful home. Thanks for this little tidbit as I will be keeping my eye out for more about this!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197466/Revealed-Michael-Jacksons-revenge-grave.html
ReplyNew article by Ian ~
@ladybert62:
ReplyYea, there have been lots of references to her shady dealings, abusing her power in office, etc. Didn’t she do something to get her brother in law fired, and then the stuff with the house. Is there a politican out there who is NOT corrupt, who truly cares more for the people then for themselves? I don’t think so.
@Truth:
ReplyDear Truth – am still thinking about what you wrote. So pending federal indicements means (1) the Justice Dept or (2) the IRS or (3) Both or (4) something else? I am intrigued – can you share more info?
John, I hope this post gets through. Most of mine have been deleted (which is why, Keane, my comments the other day didn’t make sense). I’ll simply comment that you have every right to write or copy what you want. There is a double standard on this website. If you trash the Brand, one can go on for paragraphs and paragraphs, repeat and repeat. But veer from the Brand topic and also make sound comments and provide rational information, and suddenly you’re having to defend yourself. The tone has changed, here, and you are being treated with a modicum of respect and tolerance, which is new and notes behind-the-scenes-changes in how the site is now handled. My suggestion to you is to watch your back and perhaps share your information with those who appreciate your intelligence. Otherwise, if you stay, the knives may begin to sharpen and a patronizing tone will subtly begin to twist and turn.
Thank you for your reporting and informing. You do realize, don’t you, that Ian Halperin claimed it was illness and other factors, not drugs, that MJ suffered from…which is partially why you are not getting some of the support you deserve from various posters.
ReplyJust to let all you Americans know that your guy is still hanging on against Federer in the 5th set of the final at Wimbledon, they are on 14 games all. Roddick has put up an admirable fight and I am willing him to deny Federer his record-breaking 15th slam win. We could be here all night though….
ReplyIAN – Please invest in a better blog format – put your michael stuff to one side ( We realize for promotion purposes, this is a must), and put your other thoughts / tidbits / knowledge on the other. There are so many Juicy stories flying everywhere that we would LOVE to hear from you !!!
ReplyHi Ian. Loved the articles you did for the Daily Mail! Is it possible for you to dig deaper in his alleged heroin addiction? Also, I believe there are more stories to be found surrounding the Neverland 5.
Reply@unknownxcat:
That was interesting – so much conflicting info about MJ out there at the mo. It’ll be interesting to see what proves to be right and what proves to be wrong.
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyI find these stories much more interesting than what amount of drugs that killed him, I think at this point it is obvious he was floating in drugs, but he did have a bizarre life. Did anyone here see the movie Doubt? That article reminded me of the defining moment when the Father decided the resign.
@Liz E.:
Replybb14. Thanks for that info. looks like she is still hanging around LA hopefully nowhere near Brad.
Yes, I read about the 2 Australian women who sighted Brad and Ange. I am an Australian also.
@Kate:
It rings a bell, remind me who was in it and what it was about again. Oh was it that Gwyneth Paltrow flick with Anthony Hopkins about a maths theorem? No I didn’t see that, you’ll have to explain the relevance!
Replybb14. I have read everything that posters have to say on MJ and I feel that there is nothing left to comment about him anymore.
ReplyDoes anyone feel like myself that we need a new post, there must be something about Brangie. out there.
I prefer to talk about people that alive and not dead he has passed on now let him rest in peace.
This is an interesting insight into what MJ was like as a person:
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/article534196.ece
This is also interesting re: his reactions to the allegations of child abuse:
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/391017/Michael-Jacksons-video-nasty.html
Curiouser and curiouser, re: Debbie Rowe’s parental claim:
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/michael_jackson/390944/The-astonishing-Michael-Jackson-family-pictures-that-could-blow-custody-battle-apart.html
This story will run and run until well into next year I reckon. Bet Brange are breathing a hugh sigh of relief!
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyNo, it was Meryl Streep, Amy Adams, and Phillip Seymour Hoffman. Based on the play , about a nun who suspects a priest has been suducing a young black male in the school, just based on her observations. great movie, great performances.
@ladybert62:
Did you read this? It’s quite informative:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-dunn/the-real-story-behind-pal_b_225636.html
ReplyDid anyone go to Perez and watch that Marcheline video??
Reply@Tamara:
ReplyWhat video? do you have the link?
@Crazyhell:
http://perezhilton.com/2009-07-05-angelina-jolies-mom
here’s the link to the rare video (filmed ca. 1980) featuring Angie’s mother Marcheline Bertrand. Angie was I believe a toddler then…
Interesting link about TomKat:
Replyhttp://gawker.com/5307871/katie-holmes-and-the-cosmic-confidentiality-agreements
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyRe Nanny MJ …. that’s just too funny…. what we meant to be a joke turns out to be reality … can’t beat that ..lol
@Liz E.:
ReplyHi: Didn’t mean THAT house. The house her brother ‘ officially’ lives in, is also his church based counseling office and it’s known to the paparazzi, he parks his truck with license plate shhhhilo right in front of it. I am talking about the house AJ owns in L.A. and lives in years before she met BP. It’s not in her name on record (duh), she uses it often when in L.A. Contrary to BP, she has not been seen entering or leaving the Los Feliz home for ever. As to people who want to have seen her in a shopping center…. it’s like with the Bigfoot sighting…. claims are cheap, a photo is evidence…
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyGreat article. That woman is like a fungus that will not go away………Scary to think she could have been VP
@Kate:
I thought ‘Doubt’ was done incredibly well. Meryl Streep – there will never be another like her. But Phillip Seymour Hoffman was right there and ready to dance with her. Also, Viola Davis was extraordinary strong – it’s amazing after watching the movie to realise she only has one scene!!!!
But yes Kate, I know the scene you’re talking about. It was masterfully done.
Reply@benjaminbutton14:
I too have OD’ed. I’ve OD’ed on the Michael Jackson coverage!!! Apparently, Joe Jackson isn’t happy with the autopsy the coroner’s office did, nor the private autopsy that was performed after that and so he now wants to have a 3rd autopsy done. Apparently Michael’s mother is putting her foot down and saying “no way, that’s it.” My logical thought is that his father obviously isn’t happy with what the results say, but come on, how long can you beat a dead horse??? And what parent wants to keep having doctors cut open their son, over and over again? That old man is selfish, pig headed and obviously no better than when the kids were young and he armed himself with a belt for beatings at any given moment.
As for what drugs he was taking – that’ll all come out with toxicology – in the meantime, I think the world could use a break from this story. It’s as if the media thinks they can beat people over the head with it 24/7 and that we are all just drones that wish to feed from the MIchael Jackson Death Well permanently. Urgh!
Just give the guy his memorial and let him finally rest in peace.
Reply@Ms Agatha:
Older stars have their names on their property deeds so they’re stuck with people being able to find out their exact whereabouts as land deeds are public records, but in the age of the internet and increased stalking, you can use LLC’s or a structured blind trust to purchase property. Then when people go to look you up they come up blank. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ang has a place that she has kept secret. I remember when she bought her apartment in New York and that apartment was never publicised – she’s good at operating under the radar when she wants.
Reply@harikari girl:
ReplyThat scene was chilling wasn’t it, and then the final scene at the end. wow, but it captured the way the film opened as well, terrific writing, captivating acting, it was like you are in the same room with them. Great play, better movie, and yes, for such a small role, so so powerful, one I think every mother can identify with on a very primal level, no matter how oh my gosh ! it was.
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
They have denied their split …. there are photos floating around the net showing Gavin w some woman… they are probably waiting til the time is right, read : After her tour
http://www.hollyscoop.com/gwen-stefani/gwen-stefani-and-gavin-rossdale-are-not-splitting-up_20453.aspx
Reply@harikari girl:
ReplyYou are exactly right, she is quite smart ( well, has good advisors ) going into stealth mode whenever she wants to …
@harikari girl:
Hari, have you heard anything about Brad and Jen reconciling and keeping it on the downlow? Loz Sneads sort of hinted at it the other day when she was discussing their earnings. I am wondering if the mainstream media is going to jump on this. Daily Mail article now with Angelina now saying they are all going to Portugal. That would support what we heard earlier, but that could be a diversion to keep the press off of her as well.
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyHe is with a girl… I wonder who she is ?… can’t imagine though him showing up in Wimbledon with a girlfriend…..too bold…..pic after scroll down
http://deadspin.com/5307783/holy-crap-andy
@Kate:
I got chills at the end when Meryl turns to Amy and says she has ‘doubt’.
Of the 3, I’m really not tuned in to Jen’s camp. Tied more to BP’s and also to AJ’s although independently and separate of each other. A certain Mr. V told me BP has been using the Los Feliz house. He didn’t mention Ang or the kids being there, but Mr. V can’t stand her anyway so he may have just omitted that.
Reply@keane cyber queen supreme:
Our holiday is almost over; so I came back home to read your reply to my post. ITA!
I read one of the BI in Blind Gossip.com; wherein the sharp readers pointed out RF.
I think more athletes use steroids simply because they not only have an advantage with the extra strength it provides, but so far, it can go undetected.
We have baseball players with stats that should afford them easy entry into The Baseball Hall of Fame; however, rumors of streoid use have kept them out so far.
Replyhttp://blindgossip.com/index.php/2009/07/05/two-oscar-winners-spend-time-with-soldiers/#comments
Angie spends some time in a veterans hospital on the 4th of july.
Replybb14. Off Topic…… I thought this maybe of interest. My friend from New York sent this to me I don’t know where she got it from she didn’t say but she did say that she has heard that she believes this to be true. Leave it up to you to figure.
I know for a fact that Jen and Brad are almost back together. I can’t say how I know as I’m sworn to secrecy…but I do. You can make your own choice whether to believe me or not.
The plan is for Jen to ‘date’ a bunch of different guys, or let the stories get out that she’s dating up
I don’t know when they’ll come out again as a couple. That depends on some other factors that can’t be controlled.
They started talking last year, when Brad reached out because he needed her friendship. It was all platonic and friendly. The tides turned at the Oscars.
After weeks of conversation leading up to the oscars, he was already separated from Ange – they were living apart at the time, seeing her up on the stage made him realize some stuff. I don’t know what comes next, all I know is that I heard he ‘wants to go home’.
She broke up with Mayer because she was so confused, the sparks were flying again and she wasn’t sure how to handle it.a storm to distract from what’s going on between her and Pitt.
ReplyBrad is still wearing the necklace jen gave him.
ReplyI do believe brad and ang are way over, but I really don’t think I want Jen to take brad back!
Also so sick of the michael Jackson news, please no more MJ crap.
@benjaminbutton14:
so tha’ts why jen practically stalked mayer :
This A list actress is more famous for one lucky television role than the truly awful acting she has done in movies. Well, she had a recent breakup. Her publicity machine cranked out every story it could to say she was the one who had done the breaking up with her singer boyfriend. Well, this may be true, but then why would the singer have to change his phone number and e-mail address after she wouldn’t stop trying to contact him? When she couldn’t reach the singer why would she start calling all of his friends to beg them for his number? What she is telling his friends is that she can’t move on without some kind of closure.
Jennifer Aniston
Reply@mooki:
ReplyMooki: This visit happened about 2 weeks ago actually, around finishing Salt … one of the soldiers twittered about the visit….that-s how story got out…. I read it too…true ? dunno, maybe
@Ms Agatha:
visit to Walter Reed Hospital pics :
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=126420&id=114472498355
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyHI Keane – that was indeed an informative article – looks like more Palin bashing in the future is in line for me! Goody!
@harikari girl:
ReplyHi HariKari Girl – what result is Bad Daddy Joe looking for since he is unhappy with the 2 already done? Sounds like he wants a specific finding? Any ideas?
@d:
ReplyYea, but didn’t that happen after the first time they broke up, and then they got together again, so he couldn’t have been tooooo bothered about the “stalking”.
@ladybert62:
ReplyMorning Lady! Did you have a nice weekend? When are we gonna get a new “gull dang” story already??? LOL
@Tamara:
Replythe blind was from April
@Tamara:
ReplyHi Tamara – yes I had a nice weekend! Finished Lady of Hay and had a great time reading it! Any more recommendations?
@ladybert62:
ReplyLOL You finished it?? hahaha I suppose you guessed the ending, but did you enjoy it? Hmmmm, let me think about my next suggestion. Do you want to stay in the 12th Century?
@Tamara:
ReplyHi Tamara – of course I finished it! I am a fast reader especially if I am enjoying the book! Plus I am half way through another book (21st century murder mystery in LA by Jonathan Kellerman!) Any century is fine with me – well almost, when it comes to England anything before Charles II (the Regency era and then onwards is not really interesting to me). Yes, I did enjoy the book. The ending was a little strange (I dont buy it that Dr. Sam just decided to kill himself and that her and Nick (Mathilda and King John in today’s world) got together. (I would have preferred if she had just written a straight 12th century novel as I found the “trick” approach of regression a little unbeliveable and jarring to keep being thrust between then and now and I had a hard time accepting that all three men fell in love with her almost upon sight and that King John decided to destroy the family because of her rejection of him – but other than those criticisms, it was a fun read, I did learn more about Wales and overall I greatly enjoyed the book!) Hope you dont take my criticisms personal as I appreciate the recommendation and look forward to anymore than you offer!
@Tamara:
ReplyAny recommendations about Ancient Rome? and yes I have read all of Colleen McCullough’s Ancient Rome novels at least 5 times! (Obviously I loved those too).
@ladybert62:One that says he wasn’t chock full of drugs?
Reply@Different Guest:
ReplyAH ha – you think that is what he looking for? Bad Daddy Jo better think about what he is smoking if he thinks they are going to come to that conclusion! Might as well say he died from shock because he found out he was pregnant! Laughing myself off my chair at work!
@John:
ReplyThank you Pastor John! Are you going to pass the plate for contributions to your new Blog Episcopy! Please dont be offended – just joshing you a little as you do rant and rave!
@harikari girl:
ReplyThis movie sounds intriguing – am going to have to look it up as I have never heard of it!
Do we have to wait until the end of August now, before we get any news on AJ/BP ? That’s when his IB movie comes out. Only then will we see, if they walk the carpet together , or if he comes alone what is her excuse ? …. Or do they have an official announcement before then ? End of August is coming soon for them but what are we going to do until then ? Ian taking iatus ? …hibernating over summer ? ……. when do you stop being so quiet ? lol
Reply@d:
Replybb14. I believe that something is definately going on between Jen and Brad. I got that feeling from the Oscars that something was brewing.
I don’t know where my friend gets her info from she won’t tell me I have practically begged but no go. But I did manage to get out of her that it was Jen who told him to further his arcitecture and help the people of New Orleans who lost their homes with Katrina. So that’s how the name came to be “Make It Right” again you figure, maybe you heard this before.
@Tamara:
Gull dang it, I second that! I think it will be when the embargo on Ian’s book is over. Although more stories on MJ are not really what we are after!
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyDang, Keane – have I converted you to these nasty swear words – what will your mother think when she hears you now?
@benjaminbutton14:
ReplyThat has come from female first. An ‘insider’ on the ‘Date Night At Roosevelt Hotel’ has posted it. It’s worth reading right the through even though it’s 24 pages long. I think insider 1 is an old friend of ours from IUC.
@moo:
ReplyOh and one of the insiders on there claim that AJ and BP first and a fling early 1998 before he got with JA.
@ladybert62:
Ha ha! Yes I have to admit it is the best expression I have ever heard in my life and I would use it all day long if it wouldn’t make people look at me funny (well more than they already do anyway of course!).
Reply@moo:
Oh yeah Kate mentioned that to me. Me/Well strikes again – ha ha!
Reply@benjaminbutton14:
She is getting it from the Roosevelt thread at FF which is a complete joke,they have 3 insiders all arguing who is right. I had read it earlier a few days ago, then not again until now, unbelievable. The first one is definitely well/me or there was another one here but I have forgotten what her story was, margarita, what did she say? The other one is probably one of Ian’s souces, and the third one is just a grapevine person, probably the only one that has it right.
IAN’s book I think comes out after the Memorial , I want to read that and see what is going on, I would suspect he will get back to Brange after that.
Who knows if they are getting together, now we have the Daily Mail supporting the source who told IAN Angelina was buying a home in Portugal, except they have Brad living there with her for the summer and the art can not come with him. That sounds like a slam at hm, (he spends money on art while I visit refugees) and all the while to paint a picture they are living together. She is good at not being photographed in LA though because she has an agreement with the paps not to do so except when she wants them to according to some, and Brad is out there because he wants to be. Was that little break down on his bike staged? I think it may have been, but he did seem genuinely irritated. jury is out
BTW I meant the thread with the insiders is a jole at FF not the website, although they are infested with trolls so makes it hard to skim and read. They are good at gathering news and posting links, I will say, very good at that, and their photoshop person is hilarious. Funny read at times. Kind of interesting how the insiders went from here to there.
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Do happen to remember was me/well also margarita, I seem to remember or didn’t one of them have a slightly different version. forgotten.
Funny, she had a breakdown it seems demanding someone tlel her why Brad was working with Roth on CCOBB and how that got started. When I read that I thought, now wait, I just saw Brad explain that in detail in a interview (too bad I did not pay much attention to what he said) but he talked about how he started the project when he was married to Jen, how he met Roth. etc. He is Pax’s godfather.
LOL now wouldn’t it be something if one of Erics family were posting , that would be hilarious. Not possible but it would be funny. No this person is the one who said she had a run in with Jolie, Jolie was jealous of her. lol okey dokey. so, I guess she slept with Brad too, while she slept with AJ before he slept with Jen.
Now who believes Jen would not have a problem with Braddy doing MAMS with her if they had an affair, of course he is a liar, but still?
IAN, if you happen to read this, can you flag it to check on latter..thanks!
Reply@Alif:
ReplyMade a mistake in my last post. The Blind Gossip.com posters pointed out Rafael Nadal, as the one who used steroids to build up his body so fast! I typed RF, which was wrong! My apologies!
This site is DONE. I keep returning and hoping but…no. Over it. Oh well, it was great fun for a couple of months.
Reply@Kate:
Replybb14. I went to ff and read thru the whole pages. How does this person know so much, she seems to have an answer for everything for every question asked. Now I know where my friend got all the gossip from, I have heard a lot to that Brad and Jen are back together fooling the public and media. I guess that is what actors do, act.
A few months ago, a trustworthy source blabbed that David Beckham plays for the other team. How am I not surprised? (I know that MU’s other former golden boy [no pun intended] Cristiano Ronaldo is a notorious closet case, per another source)
Can anybody confirm/deny this?
Replywhat is the addy for the ff – female first? – forum ? Thanks!
Reply@ladybert62:
Foul play. That even though the family has known for years that he was dependent on drugs (and staged at least 2 interventions), that his death was not from something he took himself, but rather that somebody else administered something to him without his knowledge OR him being aware that it could be life-threatening.
Reply@Different Guest:
You brought up MJ and the alleged molestations and I just wanted to throw a couple of things out there. I think the public assumed his guilt basically from 2 defining things that happened. 1) the first case didn’t go to trial because there was a paid settlement – that looked terrible. 2) Martin Bashir’s documentary came out in 93 and had the 2nd ‘victim’ in part of the documentary and off of that Tom Sneddon (sp?) got the warrants to raid Neverland and take it to trial.
Here’s what isn’t widely known about those 2 events. In case No. 1 – Jackson desperately wanted to go to trial. But as he was not yet a fallen star, he had very extensive insurance policies covering pretty much all areas of his life. The finance company decided on their own that they wanted this out of the way as fast as possible and found the family would take the settlement amount that insurance was comfortable with. Jackson said ‘no way, I’ll look guilty”, insurance basically said “it’s up to us not you” and the money was paid out making Jackson look like he had paid his way out of a guilty situation.
Case No. 2 with Martin Bashir’s documentary. Bashir absolutely and completely used Jackson and lied to him the whole way through the time he spent with the star. What most people don’t seem to be aware of is that Jackson has his own video camera set up for all the interviews with Bashir. If you ever put the 2 side by side, you will see that Bashir totally did a 180 once he left Neverland, completely changed his narration to the complete opposite of what he had originally said, and made Jackson looked completely deranged and a probable molester. If you see the tapes that Jackson has, you will hear Bashir wax nostalgic about how Jackson’s treatment of these kids goes past just being good but surpasses to almost something spiritual. Bashir did a hatchet job on him and made a nice career for himself with it. Jackson, completely fell apart after that betrayal – he had decided to let someone in to his life and grant them access and his trust. The unedited footage was made available to the public but the damage had already been done and nobody seemed to be interested in watching it.
If you take away the settlement and take away Bashir’s documentary, you take away a huge amount of doubt that was immediately cast on Jackson and his relationship with children.
BTW, both kids came from families where there were prior cases of extortion, and in the second case, a very poor family. Also the first child did not recall anything untoward or sexual ever happening until he was given a still unnamed drug to ‘help him remember’ with his parents help.
Not trying to offend anyone here – the molestation or incest of children is a very touchy subject. I am very aware of the damage of molestation/incest and how it can affect your entire life (it has mine). That being said, there are 2 sides to every story and there was a lot left out when it came to MJ, so I figure it at least deserves to be brought to light.
ReplyI believe that this is the link to the female first blog that’s being discussed…
http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/board/brad-angie-date-night-at-roosevelt-hotel-t229380-345.html
Reply@Kate:
Replybb14. Kate I would like to know how they are getting all their information I mean we are getting nothing here from Ian, so it makes me wonder about them
Their posts go on and on never seem to end if you read down all their different topics on the Brand, where are they coming from. None of them are talking about MJ just BP/AJ
@harikari girl:That’s why I really want to hear Ian’s definition of molestation – it isn’t just a physical act, it’s also psychological and the psychological impact is often more damaging than the physical act. I thought before bringing the charges in the second case that investigators talked to other children and heard similar stories about being shown pornography, given alcohol etc. The fact that there was a second case was sheer stupidity on his and his handlers part. Someone should have stepped up and said this inappropriate behavior and it will not continue.
Reply@benjaminbutton14:
They just gather articles and discuss them. Looks like Ang I’d still working towards that political base. Visiting the soldiers in the hospital was brilliant , looks like she is doing it on the downlow even though the guys took pics and one of the wives plastered it on her Facebook. Sly.
Meanwhile we have Bradley who hates paps as he was so assertive about on LKL, so he decides to break down while they are hovering around and orchestrate a little show for us so we can understand why he hates them. LOL and he gets his face in the news, we know where he is, alone possibly , all the while it looks like he just can’t catch a break. Sly, almost
Looks like they both have a new PR strategy for exiting this mess, lay low, but not really, just let everyone think they are suddenly so private.
well better than using the kids , yes?
Replylooks like Ange is still in LA . http://x17online.com/celebrities/angelina_jolie/angie_and_zahara_and_shiloh_oh_my-07062009.php
Reply@mia:
ReplyIf you bothered to read what Halperin said at the time to In Touch, he said “People can live with this condition until they’re 100″ but he predicted that Michael would be dead within six months from everything he was going through (prescription drug addiction, various ailments, etc.) He also wrote in late January that Michael was being treated successfully with injections of a substance derived from human protein that are successful in keeping Alpha 1 under control and correcting the deficiency. Before the O2 concerts were announced, he said Michael was in negotiations to do a concert for a Russian billionaire on the Black Sea. He said the treatments were successful and Michael was well enough to perform but that he couldn’t sing, so he would lip synch. He later quoted sources inside Michael’s camp that said he was anorexic in his final weeks. Ian wrote in the Daily Mail that “whatever the autopsy results reveal, it was greed that killed Michael Jackson,” blaming the vultures and enablers that forced jackson to do a tour he couldn’t handle physically or mentally.
@harikari girl:
ReplyHi HK Girl! Thanks for answering. But if foul play is involved, how does that benefit Bad Daddy Joe? Thanks.
@harikari girl:
ReplyHi HK Girl – I found your information illuminating and will have to rethink my conclusions as I did think he was guilty. But it is good to know this may not be true and that MJ was “set up” so to speak.!
@Kate:
ReplyHi Kate: Well, it didn’t take her long to parade the kids in front of the cameras again …. tons of paparazzi just waiting uninvited in a garage, for her and the girls to leave the dance studio… yeah sure … molto sly…did you see her pregnancy dress she puts on just for the fun of it ?
Yea, I was wondering what’s up with the moomoo dress too. The girls as always look really unhappy. But AJ just had to let us know she is with the family in LA.
Reply@Lisa:
Since you obviously didn`t get what I meant I will make it a bit more obvious: There was NO mention of a damaged lung as caused by Alpha 1 in the autopsy results. Ergo Jackson didn`t have Alpha 1. He most likely died because he was given Demerol and anasthesia that is only used in hospitals. It also looks like his doctor waited a bit too long (30 minutes!) before he called the ambulance.
Reply@Tamara:
ReplyThat is decidedly an ugly dress! and I read somewhere that evil Ms. Jolie has about 10 more just like it!
Maybe Shiloh and Zahara dont know how to smile since I have never seen a picture with them smiling – sad little girls they are. Wonder about them missing-in-action twins!
Isn’t funny how every time someone John Mayer breaks up with someone we’ll hear rumours of them stalking him… hmmmm….
ReplyYup, there she is doing her quick walk to her car with her girls. She gives just enough to let you know she is in LA with the family. If you look at the film there are practically no cars in the parking garage. I’m sure she could have parked closer to the entrance. But then we wouldn’t have got a good glimpse of her or the girls. Just a thought, why is shiloh wearing cleats if she was coming from dance class. I wish she would dress that kid in nicer clothes.
ReplySo the latest quickie headline news report that I read re MJ says that his doctor – Dr. Murray (I think) is not licensed in California to give any type of prescription drugs as his DEA license in two other states does not apply to California. This might get interesting after all.
Reply@harikari girl:
I am also coming around to this way of thinking after hearing about the insurance company forcing Michael to settle. Then there was Macauley Culkin’s evidence at the trial which was pretty credible, and MJ’s response to the allegations in that video. He seemed genuinely horrified by it. I’m not 100% convinced yet but I’m heading that way. What a shame that his reputation was so blighted by it until the day he died if it wasn’t true.
Re: those pics of Ange, Shiloh has changed quite a lot and I’m trying to gauge who she looks like. I think she looks more like a blonde version of Ange as a child. She doesn’t look so much like Brad to me any more. And Ange seems to have gained a considerable amount of weight. I wonder why that might be….?!
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
No insurance company is paying 15 million dollars out of their own pockets as there is simply no insurance that covers bribing possible victims of child molestations! Nor can any insurancxe company FORCE anyone to pay that enourmous amount of money without his agreement! This is nuts. This is just another insane claim that Ian made. One of many. Just like the one that his lungs were ruined from Alpha 1 although there was NO mention of that in the autopsy report. See below:
. Michael Baden, chief medical examiner for the state of New York, told FOXNews.com that because the California coroner’s office did not mention any health conditions or trauma, it is safe to assume that the singer was abusing drugs in a manner that led to his ultimate death.
“One can reasonably speculate [that drugs are to blame] since the initial autopsy findings made no mention of an injury or trauma to the body and no mention of natural disease,” Baden, who recently performed the private autopsy of actor David Carradine, told FOXNews.com. “The fact that they didn’t say anything about it indicates he did not have a bad heart.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529480,00.html?test=faces
ReplyDid anyone see Ian on the Today Show?
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
In the last Daily Mail article that IAN did he talks about this, he has a copy of the insurance papers, that was on Sunday , wasn’t it? The one that mentions there may be a third will.
Is anyone watching his memorial, very nicely done, I am a little miffed as to why Liz Taylor felt MJ would not want something like this. Oh Lord, singing now , “Father help your children” wonder if Joe is listening, Christian song , not aimed at him but I am sure it must touch his heart. Regardless of how anyone feels about Michael you just can not but feel the intense emotion of this service, how much he was loved. It is a shame he did not really and truly know that before he died. I feel for his mother today, if anyone truly and unconditionally loved him, besides his children, it is her.
I wonder if Brad or Jolie are watching this , and suddenly realizing neither of them are even remotely close to being this famous or this loved. While Brad might be big enough to cause such drama in the media, Angelina would only in the sense she would be thought of as another lost soul as ANS. I truly hope she deos not end up like she did. Somehow I think she may be too shrewd though to allow people to control her like that, but maybe this will be a wakeup call on the drugs. The fact that she has said she feels she will die young as her mother did is a concerning thought.
The girls are just adorable, so nice to see some interaction between. Shiloh looks like a little character in some of those pictures. Zahara, we know is already. Brad taught her to stick her tounge out like that at the paps, remember that pic? It was in Manhattan leaving a park, he did it too. Funny though, Pax got in trouble for doing it in Venice. Double standard for little girls I guess. My hubby was like that, Princess could do no wrong, lol (and never really did, a model child) ,but still, yet my thrill seeker arty son had to watch his step. They ended up the best of friends so I should not complain, but as a mom I could never get it.
Shiloh does not look really anything at all like Angelina did at that age, Keane , have you seen the family pictoral that People did when Shiloh was one year old? It is still online. There is a picture of Angelina and James with their parents and they both have round deep set eyes, her hair was a dirty blond, she was thin like Zahara. Body structure very different, and her eyes no where close to hers. She got her moms lips, and looks an awful lot like Jon Voight now. I wonder if that bothers her. I know a mom that was indifferent to her toddler because he looked exactly like daddy, and they had divorced. sad.
Brad’s pictures of him are in that pictoral also when he was about that age, and her eyes look closer to his. She has his mouth (not lips) the slack jaw expression, and I suppose we will see if the twins still have that soon, or Knox. In the Japan pic he looked so much like Brad, despite this lastest insider claiming that the twins are not his, that they are not his, and she did not carry them.
I agree she did not carry them, but Viv looks like her and Knox does look like him. I remember there was a time when I asked (here) if one of the twins was not Brads, and the thought was there was something up with one twin, both hers, but not both his. IAN said his source said that one biological is not his, and that he adopted one. The other insider over there is saying that. Not a insider imo, probably someone who read that here. The other one is me/well/margarita one of them, but she did say in her last post that she loved Brad and Jen, that she loved Jane and missed her very much. It is strange to read it because she tries to make the whole exchange sound like she does not know any of them, until she is forced to. Time will tell if there is any truth to it, if Brad and Jen are reconciling. That would definitley be the ultimate slap in the face to Angelina , and for no other reason but that , I would celebrate. Agree, would take a huge conspiracy for the twins both to be niether of theirs,and Shiloh as well. It would also defy common sense, if he wanted to leave years ago, there really would have been nothing to hold him. To ask anyone to believe they used someone elses sperm for her to get pregnant when his divorce was not even final is ridiculous. jmo of course. Stranger things have happened though, and if indeed he was sleeping with AJ since mid 2003 then who knows, but to think he boinked her in 1998, then a few months later hooked up with Jen, married her, and then went back to AJ, and now back to Jen, all I can say is, say what? lol nahh.
ReplyMichael’s memorial is absolutely beautiful. Very touching indeed.
Reply@d:
Replybb14. I watched the video of Brad on the same page. My god what a creep he is. I felt sorry for the driver he was just asking him about his bike, Brad said I’ll walk this is not an interview. I would have thrown him out. What a jerk Brad is does he think the world stands still for him.
@Ms Agatha:
Replybb14. I was thinking the same thing, those flowing dresses make you look like your pregnant, who is she trying to fool
bb14. From what I have read he favours Zahara more than Shilo, maybe he knows shilo’s not his, there has been a lot talk as to what is exactly his and not. Maybe JLM is right, maybe she is his. I mean who knows what AJ has been climbing into.
Reply@mia:
Mia,
The type of insurance that MJ would have had would have been umbrella personal liability insurance, and he probably had TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars of coverage that would apply to claims against him. I was the personal accountant (and in charge of insurance) for a wealthy family who were not remotely famous, and they had $30 million in umbrella liability coverage just because wealthy people tend to get sued/threatened with lawsuits much more easily than those who have little means to pay damages. As the entity paying, it would definitely have been the insurance company’s decision on whether to settle or go to trial.
A true example: I sat on a jury for a personal injury trial (injuries resulting from a car accident). The insurance company is the one that decided to fight the claim and forced the driver who caused the wreck to go to court even though he wanted to settle. Yes, I know that for a fact – we had barely started deliberations when a settlement was worked out, and afterward we spoke to the lawyers who told us they were working for the insurance company. {And frankly it was obvious to me from the jury box that the driver was miserable and didn’t want to fight the claim.}
And for the record, the man suffered a torn rotator cuff (and was in so much pain the drivers of the other 3 cars in the wreck all thought he was having a heart attack). He was a carpenter, older but still working, and was forced to quit working from the injury. The settlement was for $80k.
ReplyJust a general addendum: Insurance companies are very, very powerful in the U.S. Don’t ever mistakenly believe otherwise. It was mainly insurance companies who fought to get looser regulations so they could expand their businesses into financial products previously only under the purview of banks. I worked in the investment management subsidiary of an insurance company and we were repeatedly asked to support PAC’s to lobby for the changes to the banking laws of 1934.
Constant Gardner, if you are around, I’m sure you probably have some good examples of insurance companies and their diabolical plots.
Replyhttp://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5528/bradshilohjuly2009.jpg
Reply@too curious:
And the insurance company of the family you worked for used the insurance money to bribe possible victims that wanted to sue family members? Now I doubt that!
Reply@mia:
Bribe? Or pay a “reasonable sum” to help the alleged victim get on with his life without all of the angst of a trial?
Companies and individuals makes settlements (details confidential, of course) quite often “without an admission of guilt” to get problems to go away. A lot of times the settlement amount is cheaper than the cost of going to court.
I don’t know what your life experience is, but some of the statements you have made regarding how you think things work seem very naive to me.
Trust me, life and the rules are very different for the wealthy.
Reply@too curious:
The 15 million dollars that Ian mentioned are by NO MEANS a “reasonable sum”. Not even for a multimillionaire like Micheal!
Reply@too curious:
Apart from the fact that the 15 million dollars were seen as an admission of guilt by most people. It was the start of the downfall of Micheal Jackson!
Reply@too curious:
ReplyInsurance companies and healthcare in the US are dirty business. Self serving and very powerful
@TobyKat:Insurance companies grew out of the protection rackets involving shipping of goods, i.e. pay me so nothing happens to your ship. MJ was screwed either way. If you think about the time of the 1st settlement, while the activities may have stopped short of intercourse or a blow job, there were enough unacceptable behaviors being displayed by a 30+ year old man that even if he was aquitted people would still consider him guilty of sexual perversion.
Reply@mia:
ReplyMia, 15 million is nothing when you’re dealing with a client whose fortune is 500 milllion +. Actually, much more than that if you add the Beatles catalog which is assessed at up to 1 billion dollars!! Jackson was at his height – he was not the in debt guy that he later became.
@Different Guest:
ReplyAgreed. There was some very questionable behaviour that I can’t understand. However, I would need to know more to form an abosolute opinion. Part of me believes that MJ’s affection towards children was truly innocent. He had such an f*cked up childhood that he wanted in someway to re-live it somehow. Part of me believes since he was abused as a child that he would rather die than hurt a child. Now, that said I do agree that he crossed the line in some of the things that he did such as sharing his bed with children ect.
@TobyKat:sharing the bed, giving kids wine, the “secret” room, showing them erotica or porn.
Reply@benjaminbutton14:
ReplyHi benjamin… have you noticed that she likes to wear her Mother Hubbard dresses when parading the kids around……….these mission dresses are supposed to make us believe she is into the Birkenstock lifestyle…lol
@Different Guest:
ReplyAgain, I am not naive I just don’t know all of the facts. Were the kids that accused him of those things credible or “coached”. Was there abuse or was it a witch hunt, ( Think Jon Benet Ramsey case, the police/procecuter had their minds made up the parents were the gulity ones) I don’t know any thing about a secret room. But, i would think if there were enough children to verify the wine, room, porn ect. the DA could have procecuted him on several charges.
@TobyKat:If I recall correctly, the statute of limitations had run on the kids they interviewed to corroborate the last kid’s story. The secret room has been documented on one of the sites had pictures of Neverland and had it in there. I think one or more of the child actors said he’d shown him/them books of erotica.
ReplyJust want to say that up to this night I really thought they couldn’t possibly be his biological children. But after seeing clear pictures of his children on huffingtonpost.com, I’ll maybe change my mind. Especially the last picture showing Blanket’s profile is very convincing. Blanket is a total cutie btw. Paris’ speech broke my heart.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/07/michael-jacksons-kids-pri_n_227210.html
Reply@TobyKat:The most damning thing to me was Lisa Marie Presley’s refusal to testify for him. I seem to recall some comments during the “marriage” that her children were never in residence with him.
Reply@Different Guest:
ReplyHere is an interview with LMP regarding the comments. I’d love to know exactly what “stuff” between husband and wife she is referring to.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,601988,00.html
They’re replaying highlights on CNN, and other stations. I missed most of the earlier broadcast. As these things happen, all of a sudden, I start getting calls and messages. So it’s good to have recaps.
Surprised at Marlon having had a twin brother.
Beautiful performance by Jennifer Hudson, and company.
Moving references to THE LITTLE PRINCE by Brooke Shields.
On TCM (Turner Classic Movies) they’re paying tribute to Stewart Granger. It’s his month. Most of the movies I’ve already seen as I’ve been a fan for a long time.
ReplyAnyway, there’s a conflict today for someone who doesn’t have more than one tv set. But am confident we’ll see and hear more of Michael Jackson, in addition to what I’ve already taped.
As for the children. It’s hard to comprehend all the vicissitudes. Guess I’ll need more input from those in the know.
Ladybert,
I am working the daily crossword on Yahoo and one of the clues is “hapless”. It’s a five letter word but neither “BPitt” nor “BradP” would work. Turns out the word is “inept”. Just want you to know I thought of you when I saw “hapless”!
My kitty Blue says to say hi to Lady & Bert!
Reply@TobyKat:
Thanks for the link. I think the stuff she was talking about was the drug abuse/addiction. Of course, she didn’t break her silence on that until after Michael died, but she did say on her blog that that was what did their marriage in. That she was drowning trying to save him and that he had asked about her father’s death since she had been in Graceland when Elvis actually died. And she then stated that MJ said he feared it would the same for him.
So as for not having her children there, it could very well have had nothing to do with improprieties with children and all to do with a drug addicted MJ and the pharmaceuticals being in the residence. After all, Lisa Marie was in her father’s house when he died and was very scarred by it and grew up knowing that he had OD’ed. That’s more than enough reason not to want to potentially repeat the pattern with your own kids… Just a theory.
Reply@harikari girl:Could very well be that. Or it could be the Co$ kept a firm grip on her and Elvis’ millions.
Reply@too curious:
ReplyThanks too curious! Glad to know someone is thinking good thoughts about me! And lady and bert also say “good morning” to Blue! Of course they both are at home sleeping (oops, meant “on guard duty”) while I am slaving my life away to keep them in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed!
@Different Guest:
ReplyHi Different Guest – are you saying that Lisa Marie Presley is also a member of the bogus “church” of scientology? If there is absolutely nothing else in a positive vein that I can say about evil Ms. Jolie it is that she is NOT a member of that awful “church.”
@ladybert62:Yes, from childhood, I believe Priscilla was sucked in around the time of the breakup with Elvis. There were rumors around the time that LMP married MJ that the goal was to get their hands on the Beatles catalog. The only way to have done that was to have a child with him. With all the alleged drug use, makes one wonder if he could have gotten someone pregnant. That’s one of the reasons I’m inclined to believe the molestation stories (or at least inappropriate sexual behavior) I don’t ever recall hearing anyone bring a paternity case against MJ.
Reply@Different Guest:
ReplyDang, that COS has their claws into everything and everyone! Like a bad virus ….
@Kate:
Hey couldn’t find your comment about Jolie visiting the war heroes in the hospital, but just wanted to respond to it. I think Ange has a very deliberate PR strategy in place at the moment which is designed to help her appeal more to the middle America market. The interview that she gave to Ann Curry on refugees was deliberately dumbed down and her answers oversimplified to appeal to this audience I reckon. Her line that we should help refugees because they are “fleeing from extremism” was a massive over-simplification and obviously designed to tie in with the notion of fighting terrorism which is accepted and popular amongst conservative America. At the beginning of the film, before the interview when she was walking aroung talking to Ann Curry she definitely said something like “refugees are amazing”. I was like WTH???? “Refugees are amazing”? Like they’re some sort of race of people no matter where they are around the world and they’re all just like, really, really cool?! A bit later on she said something like “talking to a refugee is like talking to one of my girlfriends”, I was like Jesus, does this woman have a brain in her head? Refugees aren’t a homogenous group of people no matter what nationality, race or religion they are simply because they happen to be fleeing from somewhere, how can she make these gross over-simplifications? But I think what she is trying to do is to appeal to the conservative-minded part of America by saying words to the effect of “oh refugees are just like you and I, they’re one of us” etc. This visit to see the war vets confirmed it for me. The only question remaining to me now is, is she doing it to try to keep people on side when the split from Brad is announced, or is she trying to garner support for a future political career, or both? What I can say is there has definitely been a significant change of strategy – less Europhile, arrogant intellectual and moral superiority, more dumbing herself down to appeal to the masses. Anyone else?
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
I agree. And I really, really hope middle America is starting to catch on, but you can’t count on people to see beyond the “show.” Then again, how many people have time to analyze everything presented to them in this day and age?
Reply@ladybert62:Their stated goal is world domination – and the best way to achieve that is to control media. That’s why they went Jamie Packer who inherited his father’s australian media empire.
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:crazydaysandnights.net – the entertainment lawyer does reveals of his blinds on New Years Day and the 4th of July he had a blind about a celebrity who went to the VA and gave everyone $1,000 and one who just went to visit with the patients, AJ gave the $1000. I believe it was Jack Nicklson who just spent time with them. I don’t think AJ really understands that you don’t have to buy people and in the end they will think less of you.
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyWe have been speculating for some time on this site that evil Ms. Jolie has her eyes set on a political prize – so maybe, two scenarios here (since I am incredibly bored at work): (1) evil Ms. Jolie teams up with crawlin-Palin for some type of new and totally undereducated political party/goal; or, (2) evil Ms. Jolie decides to run for the governor of Alaska to replace crawlin-Palin. Dang, the jokes are endless if those two ever teamed up! (Plus, maybe evil Ms. Jolie has her eyes on hunky Todd). Cant help myself today – am tried of the Jackson death-fest and no brangelina bashing for months now!
@ladybert62:Palin and Jolie could never work together – they both want to be on top. I think she’s definitely trying to buy her way into (or out of) something. I really don’t think she’ll succeed. Her downfall is going to be her children. I’ve said this before – I’ve noticed a distinct change in the people who supported her, it’s now just the loons. The young mothers now understand what having kids and the importance of stability in their lives.
To me it’s interesting that we aren’t seeing photo’s of either of them with all the kids – to me says they can’t handle more than two kids at a time. This does not bode well for the children.
Reply@Different Guest:
ReplyYou are absolutely right! What a cat fight that would be (evil Ms. Jolie and crawlin-Palin)! You are also right that I have not seen any photo with them together (other than the horrible Cannes pictures) and I have not seen any with either her or him with all the kids! They have gone their separate ways! Wish Mr. Ian would give us some info!
@Different Guest:
Wow, she really did that? She went to visit each patient in the hospital ward and when she left she left a $1000 in cash on their bed? Do you think she was getting the VA mixed up with somewhere else…?!
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
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ReplyDear evil Ms. Jolie – We need money to put in a well and a sewage system for our Oregon land – please send us some money ($1,000 bills are acceptable) – by the way, just like those in Ms. Keane’s post, mom is occasionally ill and just because she is not in the hospital at the moment does not mean we are rich! So please send your contributions to Ladybert62 c/o ianundercover.com! And mom really respects you for not being a member of COS! Thanks evil Ms. Jolie – xoxo Lady and Bert! (Mom does not know we sent this to you so please dont tell her
@ladybert62:
Oh LadyB, so funny as ever! You really need your own satirical column somewhere. Your characterisations of all these frauds really does make me guffaw!
And re: Palin, I was only thinking the other day when I was reading that article that I linked people to that Palin and Jolie are like two peas in a pod. Both have their eyes on the main prize, both have made a career based on their looks, both are uneducated and have a very limited understanding of the way the world works, both are utterly superficial and desperate for attention, grandeur and fame. Oh and both are terrible narcissists of course. But I also thought that I bet Palin is a severe pain in the neck for Jolie. She has her sights set on the top job and being the first female President and has more experience and chance of getting it than the politically inexperienced AJ does at this stage. Wouldn’t Angie be pissed if Palin stole her thunder and beat her to the prize of being the first hot female American president!
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyYou hit the nail on the head again Keane! Evil Ms. Jolie and crawlin-Palin (I have no idea where that came from or even what it means) are so similar to me – they are probably twins separated at birth! What a dangerous duo they would make if they ever teamed up! Maybe crawlin-Palin has decided to give evil Ms. Jolie a run on the Hollywood set – they also have comparable acting skills. snark, snark
@ladybert62:
Yes I must admit dear Angelina I have a terrible problem with short-sightedness and rather desperately require laser eye surgery. Any $1000 bills you may like to leave on my bed would be highly acceptable to me. Please send to Keane’s Bed c/o http://www.ianundercover.com. Thanks in advance for your generosity. Anyone else need anything paid for? I hear Angelina is most obliging.
Reply@ladybert62:
“crawlin-Palin” is just so blimming hilarious, I have no idea what it means either but it sounds so appropriate! It makes me imagine Palin as a sneaky, creeping cartoon character with oversized glasses deisgned to give her x-ray vision to be used for dastardly purposes – is that what it makes you think of?! I think all this reading of historical novels has given you a great imagination Ms LadyB!
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyDear Keane – you will probably get it instead of me since you were able to get Ian’s site to appear in red! Well then I am going to resort once again to the proclamation I made on a previous thread that I am – are you ready – Blanket’s mom! Yes, as I explained previously the repressed memory of that event has returned (it came back to me last week when I was having some documents notarized) and so I am going to have to press my claim against the Jackson Estate for my share of their gazilions! After all, if he paid $15 million to keep someone else quiet, my piddling request for $25,000 is not even half-of-a-drop in that family’s bucket. So please send the “shut-my-mouth” money to Ladybert62 at http://www.ianundercover.com (how did you get it in red??)!
@ladybert62:
ReplyHey – thanks Ian, it appeared in red. So please let me know when my money from evil Ms. Jolie and/or the Jackson Estate arrives – I will willingly give you a high percentage of the gross amount received!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyThanks Keane – your description fits my imagination perfectly! Yes those historical novels tend to do it me as do all the wonder murder mysteries that I consume like jellybeans! My husband does have a gun but he wont tell me where it is since he knows what happens when I say “bloody hell!” ha ha
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:Not on the bed in a gift basket. I don’t think we really have to worry about Palin, when the going gets tough she quits. She might get elected but I doubt she’d last more than six months as President.
Reply@Different Guest:
That’s kind of the image it conjures up though doesn’t it? Nice to meet you, sorry to hear about the leg, I best be going, here’s a few hundred dollars to make you feel better etc. I’m sorry but I just find it incredibly patronising to give out wads of cash to injured war vets. Donate to the facility or a charity set up to help war vets yes, but giving each one of them $1000 like she is Father Christmas to me is really inappropriate. Maybe some of these people did not feel comfortable directly accepting money from someone like that, I know I wouldn’t. That’s what made me think of a punter leaving a hooker some bills on the bed. It cheapens it to me.
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:Exactly, it also makes me think it was PR rather than I just wanted to stop by and say hi. Too bad for her that Jack Nicholson had been there also and didn’t need to resort to buying people. Although I woudn’t mind a few bucks. AJ if your reading you can give $13,000 a year in the U.S. and neither of us has to pay taxes on it.
Reply@ladybert62:
Too funny Ms LB! I’m going to have to think of something someone needs to make me shut up about too so I can get some “shut-my-mouth” money, I REALLY need that eye surgery. In the meantime, all donations should be forwarded to Keane’s Bed c/o http://www.ianundercover.com as ever. All doantions gratefully accepted!
Reply@Different Guest:
Perhaps we should just set up a joint charitable fund for all regular posters at IUC? We can distribute funds evenly between us then. I’m sure Ange won’t let us down, great philanthropist that she is!
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:No you don’t. The laser eye surgery industry has swept a lot of problems under the rug. However, if you insist, only do one eye at time, and wait at least a year between surgeries. When my opthmologists have refused to do it themselves, that’s a big warning.
ReplySCOOP – SCOOP! You read here it first folks! Evil Ms. Jolie and what’s his name (the male side of that Posh Spice Girl couple whose name is Beckham or something like that) is going to make commercials with evil Ms. Jolie! Yes, she is now selling perfume (oh the joke possibilites are endless – stop me please before I make myself ill laughing) and he is selling sometype of clothing (I always see him half naked so what part of the body-beautiful is he selling clothes for?) – anyway, they are going to make “family friendly” commercials togther to sell “stinks and links” – (perfume and clothes in ladybert lingo) – get ready to laugh big time when these start hitting the airwaves or the newspaper waves! What do hapless and “the she side of Posh Spice Girl” think of the Lips meeting the Muscles?
Reply@Different Guest:
Yes to be honest I was just joking. I did go for a consultation for laser eye surgery at a place where they were offering to do it for as little as £395 per eye! That was quite deceptive though as when you got there you realised that would only get you the most budget form of their surgery – who is ever going to pick the budget option for their eyesight! In reality it would have cost more like £2000. But I thought the whole idea that you could choose how good a job you wanted doing on your eyes was really dodgy and my optician agreed (she’s the leading clinician in her area of expertise in the UK so I totally trust what she has to say). The practice doesn’t have a negative attitude to surgery but it does assess your suitability for it and recommends which surgeons should do it (and they are much more expensive, about £5,500 in total). There are potential problems that can develop as well which the consultant at the first place gave me no info on whatsoever. You can get lights or blurs appearing in your eyes as a result of surgery and if your sight deteriorated in the future you wouldn’t be able to wear contacts again because the shape of the eyeball would have been altered. I was like, well if they’d told me that I’d have said no way! So for now I’m stcking with the contacts and the glasses! I will definitely be having 3 teeth implants in the future as I have 3 baby teeth that will eventually come out and there is no adult tooth to replace them. That’s going to cost me about £4500 and that’s quite a reasonable price! I’m crossingmy fingers you don’t have any horror stories about that (I am already dreading having to have screws drilled into my jaw as it is – ouch!).
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyIf I get laser eye surgery can I change my brown (well hazel actually as in green with gold specks) eyes blue! I always wanted blue eyes and now maybe evil Ms. Jolie can finance them for me? Is that even possible?
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:Nah, denistry makes can be fixed, eyes can’t.
Reply@ladybert62:
I actually heard that Ange was working with Vicky Beckham to put a perfume out somewhere before but found it hard to believe! Well, I have to say I think it is highly appropriate though, it’s what everyone who is famous for being famous or whose real career went off the boil years ago does to make a quick buck after all! Oh Ange, how far you have fallen and so soon! Oh and as for her and Becks, my answer is: yes, probably!
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyWait a minute – I thought Britain had socialized medicine! Doesnt that mean you get all this for free? We Yanks are trying copy your approach to medicine but now you are saying you have to PAY FOR IT! Dang, thats not how I understood “socialized health care” to work!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyFrom the very little I know about the “Becks”, I cannot imagine the lovely Ms. Posh lying low while evil Ms. Jolie does “the man” – or are they all into threesomes or could it be that evil Ms. Jolie and Ms. Posh are a couple?
@ladybert62:
You don’t need a donation to the IUC charitable fund from the Jolie-Pitt Foundation for that my friend, just make like Paris and get yourself some blue contacts! Famewhores will always provide a solution to all of life’s major problems I find!
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyJust do like I do Keane – when I was told I had to wear glasses in addition to contacts, I said – “no way Jose” and dumped the contacts. So now I have bifocals (you too can acquire that “ancient wise woman” look in a second by putting on old-lady specs) that I switch with my computer glasses that I switch for my very long-distance glasses. Just think you too could actually have 4 different eye prescriptions – but think of the fashion possibilities! You could have a different set of four to match all of your different shoes!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyBut then when I remove them, the blue disappears and horrible hazel returns! I need a permanent solution..
@ladybert62:
NHS doesn’t cover dental work unless you are certain benefits, are a minor, or a student. It is subsidised by he NHS but people find it very difficult to find an NHS dentist in a lot of areas, lots of people are forced to go privately. And cosmetic dentistry is not covered at all. I think the NHS might subsidise a bridge to fill a gap in your teeth but they would not pay for a transplant. That would have to be private. That’s why Brits say Yanks have much better teeth than us, because they mainly have medical insurance that covers cosmetic dentistry. It’s so annoying for someone like me though. I’ve never been admitted to a hospital in my life or had anything significant done as an outpatient, but if I did it would all be paid for. It’s just my luck that I was born without 3 adult teeth and I have to bloody pay for those!
Reply@ladybert62:
Becks is a notorious philanderer. Posh puts up with it and takes revenge by going on a shopping spree on his credit card. Beckalina is a fait accompli!
Reply@ladybert62:
Good lord, if I ever get to that stage I am most definitely going for the knife option! At the moment I am only on -3.25 so have a few good years left in the old pair yet! Although I do like the idea of getting as many pairs of specs as I have shoes. Although it has to be said I have A LOT of shoes!
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyBeckalina! Dang, that is good. Ian – write that one down for your future use – a contribution from Ms. Keane!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyThink of the positive side (as my hubby is always trying to convince me to do) – with eyesight as bad as mine – the fastest way to clean my house is to take off my glasses!
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyYour situation sounds like a good argument AGAINST the health care plan that “he-disappointed-me Obama” is trying to convince us to do (no sale here Obama – sorry).
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:-3.25! Try -12.0 and -11.5, I’m going to dump the bifocals, they drive me nuts and go back to single vision and old lady glasses on a chain.
ReplyDental Insurance is very expensive here, unless it’s an employer paid benefit. It’s really stupid we don’t cover dentistry because a lot of future health show up first in the mouth. As my hygienist said there is no difference between the plaque on your teeth and the plaque in your heart.
Speaking of health issues, I wonder how Ms. Patty Anne is doing today. She was suppose to have had her spinal surgery on Monday. Am sending “good vibrations” (you have got to get out of the 60’s Ladybert!) to PattyAnne and hoping you join us here again soon.
Reply@Different Guest:
ReplyGood for you Different Guest – I hate my bifocals (I keep tripping since of them)! I like your dental hygienist’s quote and I think there has been recent research on the subject to back that up! And now “he-disappointed-me Obama” wants to nationalize health care by taxing employer provided health benefits and I have to pay those taxes – this will not pass by me and other Americans as soon as they figure out that this is his plan will revolt also!
@ladybert62:
There is no famous person who can not be found an appropriate epithet by Lady B it seems! I wonder what would happen if Crawling-Palin and “he-disappointed-me” Obama met up for tea with The Evil Ms Jolie, hapless and “stranger-in-a-strange-land” Madonna and “even-stranger-in-a-strange-land” Michael Jackson (God rest his soul)? Do you think they’d play musical chairs and switch around their epithets? We might end up with “he-disappointed me” Ms Jolie, crawling-Madge and stranger-in-a-strange-land hapless or something like that. It could get crazy! No we must never let these people ever be in the same room together, epithet chaos would ensue!
Reply@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
ReplyThats a good one Keane! Yes all these characters are like little cartoon peeps to me and I just cannot stop myself from categorizing them into little lump sums of digits! And even though I occasionally refer to Mr. Ian as “SpaceCadet Ian” – that is actually meant as a compliment since I thought he looked cute in that Spaceman suit with the Cirque de Soleil owner’s head attached in the handheld helmet! Oh well, passes the time to think up these little epithets! Glad you enjoy them Keane-Supreme!
@ladybert62:
There are ‘permanent’ and ’semi-permanent’ solutions out there for changing the colour of your eyes. There’s a doctor in Brazil who is putting in ‘permanent irises’ – you can either choose green or blue. Now there’s supposedly a doctor in Panama that is also doing the same surgery. You go under the knife starting with brown eyes and come out with blue. However, the results seem really basic at this point – fakish on some.
Also, there’s eye drops that will change your eye color – some are using them – even though the FDA has not inspected them yet, so who knows how safe they are. Change brown eyes to green, green eyes to blue, etc.
All that said, I’d stick to contact lenses if I were you.
Reply@harikari girl:
ReplyMe too – I was just joking as I have always stuck with what I have (or have not!) But changing someone and giving them permanent irises – that is a shocker to me! You could not pay me to have that done and I never heard of the eye drops that change ones eye color. Amazing that things I learn on this site – absolutely amazing. Thanks HariKari Girl – I will just stick with the hazel highlighted by blood-shot whites! Ha ha
@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
LOL – Paris and I have see the same eye doctor – Dr. Moscot – who also has/had our favourite person as a client – AJ. He spilled by accident whilst trying to get me to change my eye color to grey. He was going on about how few people can get away with grey and then he brought up Angie and how freakish she had looked on a primetime interview the night before and said something like “I told her she couldn’t pull it off and she persisted and I just thought she looked awful last night with them. She should’ve stuck with the blue”. Then he realised how much he was talking about her and shut up promptly. However, it’s amazing how talkative and vivacious assistants get when you treat them nicely and not like peons. They told me that she was not confident with her natural green and had been wearing the blues for years to try and look more waspy or european. They said her natural eye color was beautiful but she worried about how they may look too dark sometimes when there wasn’t alot of light around. I guess in recent years, she hasn’t felt so insecure as she seems to be using her natural eye colour, but who the hell knows?
Reply@harikari girl:amazing isn’t it what you can get when you are generally nice to people – whether it’s information or objects. That’s why it behooves celebs to be on their best behavior at all times, people are more inclined to talk about the negative than the positive.
Reply@harikari girl:
I suspected she might be wearing contacts of one variety or another in recent years. Her eyes look very cool in colour and light most of the time. In her earlier films and in that drug den video for one they look much darker. The fact that Paris changes her eye colour from brown to blue I also find very bizarre. To me eye colour is a defining characteristic about someone’s appearance, it is how you identify people. Changing it from one colour to another to me is just so false and unnecessary, it’s not like dying your hair! It’s a shame that people can’t be happy with themselves as they are. And as for Ange, well what part of her is real then? Seems like she’s cosmetically altered everything!
ReplyMichael was a very sensitive, and publish your book as he began to surface was not very welcome. You make rumors he was gay, I think it’s pure evil, solely in order to demean and humiliate the man who has always done his best to proclaim peace in the world. Make your business on the back of someone else and stop soiling his name like so many other people have done for his life, until his death, he does not deserve that.
ReplyI advice you not do your film to tarnish the memory of Michael Jackson because I think it will cause a lot of fire at the cinemas. Furthermore I find it hard to believe that Michael was gay this would be the fruit of your imagination to an excess of wickedness? Or a way to make money? Because I can tell you that only God knows the truth and demand accountability. Anyone who makes the money, will pay in the future
ReplyHi Crazyhell,
I would like to agree with you,
Only I think it’s still a insult to the pile of shit to call it Ian Halperin,
But for Ian Halperin it’s a compliment, that’s for sure!
@Crazyhell:
ReplyThis book, is there for one reason, to earn money, not too find out the truth,, cause there’s only one person who knowes it all, and he’s not here any more..
all the negative publicity, it makes me sad,, and he’s not even here too defent himself…
Well you know what they say,, this all says more about the people, then about him..
But i just wonder… did anybody really saw,listen en undestand???
all the hospitals, the children..
all the good things..
Man in the mirror? Earth song? Heal the world? they don’t care about us?
and those are just a few…
People,, things don’t happen cause they do, you have too learn,, please learn… and except averybody just for who they are..
And be gratefull for the things you have,.
I am happy that he did what he did..
I wonder.. what would we have missed if Mj never lived…………..
I think ALOT!!
You don’t have too be crazy about him. you don’t have too like him.. But respect him like you repsect your self..
Replyalso,
here are the accomplishments of Michael,
Ian what have you accompliced??
EAT THIS!!
AASA Awards
The African Ambassadors’ Spouses Association is an organisation that helps needy children in Africa. More than 55 countries are members, including several Arab countries.[4] In 2004, while facing child molestation charges, Jackson was awarded the Golden Elephant Award for his continuing humanitarian efforts.[5]
Year Nominated work Award Result
2004 Humanitarian endeavors Golden Elephant Award Won
[edit] American Cinema Awards
Jackson won the “Entertainer of the Decade” award in 1990 from the American Cinema Awards.[6]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1990 Entertainer of the Decade Won
[edit] American Music Awards
The American Music Awards is an annual awards ceremony created by Dick Clark in 1973. Picking up three awards in 1980, Jackson has collect 22 American Music Awards, including one for “Artist of the Century”.[7]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1980 Favourite Male Artist (Soul/R&B) Won
Off the Wall Favourite Album (Soul/R&B) Won
“Don’t Stop ’til You Get Enough” Favourite Single (Soul/R&B) Won
1981 Favourite Male Artist (Soul/R&B) Won
Off the Wall Favourite Album (Soul/R&B) Won
1984 Award of Merit Won
Favourite Male Artist (Pop/Rock) Won
Favourite Male Artist (Soul/R&B) Won
Thriller Favourite Album (Pop/Rock) Won
Thriller Favourite Album (Soul/R&B) Won
“Thriller” Favourite Single (Pop/Rock) Won
“Beat It” Favourite Video (Pop/Rock) Won
“Beat It” Favourite Video (Soul/R&B) Won
1986 Award of Appreciation Won
“We Are the World” (with Lionel Richie) Song of the Year Won
1988 “Bad” Favourite Single (Soul/R&B) Won
1989 Award of Achievement Won
1993 International Artist Award Won
Dangerous Favourite Album (Pop/Rock) Won
“Remember the Time” Favourite Single (Soul/R&B) Won
1996 Favourite Male Artist (Pop/Rock) Won
2002 Artist of the Century Won
[edit] American Video Awards
In 1984, Jackson won two American Video awards; Best Long Form Video and Best Home Video.[8]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1984 Best Long Form Video Won
Best Home Video Won
[edit] Bambi Awards
The Bambi is an annual television and media prize awarded by the German media company Hubert Burda Media. The Bambi was created in 1948.
In 2002, Jackson was honoured with a Bambi Award.[9]
Year Nominated work Award Result
2002 Pop Artist of the Millennium Won
[edit] BET Awards
The BET Awards have honoured Jackson with one award.[7] Jackson was also the first inductee into the BET Hall of Fame.[7]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1989 Bad World Tour BET Award Won
[edit] Hall of Fame
Year Nominated work Award Result
1995 Hall of Fame Inducted
[edit] Billboard Awards
The Billboard Music Awards, sponsored by Billboard magazine, was one of several annual United States music awards shows (among the others are the Grammy Awards, the American Music Awards and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony). It had been held annually in December until they went dormant in 2007.
Throughout his career, Jackson has won 40 Billboard-related awards.[10]
[edit] Billboard Music Awards
Year Nominated work Award Result
1972 Top Singles Artist of the Year Won
Top Male Singles Artist of the Year Won
1983 Pop Artist of the Year Won
Black Artist of the Year Won
Pop Album Artist Won
Pop Male Album Artist Won
Pop Male Singles Artist Won
Black Album Artist Won
Black Singles Artist Won
Pop Singles Artist Won
Dance/Disco Artist Won
Thriller Pop Album of the Year Won
Thriller Black Album Won
“Beat It” Dance/Disco 12″ LP Won
“Billie Jean” Dance/Disco 12″ LP Won
1984 Thriller Top Album Won
1988 Top Black Artist Won
Blues & Soul Won
Outstanding Artist of the Year Won
Best Live Show of 1988 Won
1989 Bad #1 Album (Pop/R&B) Won
1992 1992 World Artist Award Won
Commemoration for the 10th Anniversary of Thriller Won
Hot 100 Singles Artist (Male) Won
Hot R&B Singles Artist Won
Hot Dance Music Club Play Artist Won
Hot Dance Music Maxi-Single Sales Artist Won
1995 Special Hot 100 Award Won
“Scream” Video of the Year (Pop/Rock) Won
[edit] Billboard Music of the 80’s Poll
Year Nominated work Award Result
1990 Black Artist of the Decade Won
“Billie Jean” Black Single of the Decade Won
Thriller Black Album of the Decade Won
Thriller Pop Album of the Decade Won
[edit] Billboard Year in Music Survey
Year Nominated work Award Result
1980 Top Black Artist Won
Off the Wall Top Black Album Won
[edit] Billboard Video Awards
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 Best Performance by a Male Artist Won
“Beat It” Best Overall Video Won
“Beat It” Best Choreography Won
“Beat It” Best Use Of Video To Enhance Artist’s Song Won
“Beat It” Best Use Of Video To Enhance Artist’s Image Won
[edit] Black Gold Awards
Jackson was honoured with four Black Gold Awards in 1983.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 Top Male Vocalist Won
Thriller Best Album Won
“Billie Jean” Best Single of the Year Won
“Beat It” Best Video Performance Won
[edit] Blockbuster Entertainment Awards
In 1996, Jackson was awarded with a Blockbuster Entertainment Award.[12]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1996 Favourite Pop Male Won
[edit] BMI Urban Awards
Broadcast Music, Incorporated (BMI) is one of two major United States performing rights organization, along with ASCAP. It collects license fees on behalf of songwriters, composers, and music publishers and distributes them as royalties to members whose works have been performed.
They have awarded Jackson with four awards throughout his career.[7][13]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1990 1st Michael Jackson Award of Achievement Won
1993 “Black or White” & “Remember the Time” Two of the Most Performed Songs of the Year Won
2003 “Butterflies” BMI Urban Award Won
2008 The Jacksons BMI Icon Award Won
[edit] Bob Fosse Awards
Michael Jackson won a the Bob Fosse Award for “Best Choreography” in 1997.[9]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1997 Ghosts Best Choreography in a Music Video Won
[edit] Boy Scouts of America
Jackson was awarded with a humanitarian award, from the Boy Scouts of America, in 1990.[6]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1990 Humanitarian endeavors Good Scout Humanitarian Award Won
[edit] Bravo Magazine
Bravo is the largest teen magazine within the German-language sphere. The first issue was published in 1956, subtitled as “the magazine for film and television” („Die Zeitschrift für Film und Fernsehen“).
They have honoured Jackson with seventeen awards throughout his career.[7]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1988 Gold Otto Award Won
1989 Bronze Otto Award Won
1992 Gold Otto Award Won
1993 Gold Otto Award Won
1994 Gold Otto Award Won
1995 Gold Otto Award Won
1996 Gold Otto Award Won
Platinum Otto/Lifetime Achievement Award Won
Best Male Singer Won
Best Show Won
Nicest Singer Won
HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I Best Album Won
1997 Silver Otto Award Won
Best Show Won
3rd Best Looking Singer Won
HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I Best Album Won
1998 Silver Otto Award Won
[edit] Brazillian TVZ Video Awards
Jackson has been awarded with two Brazillian TVZ Awards.[12]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1995 “Scream” Best International Video of the Year Won
1997 “Blood on the Dance Floor” Best International Video of the Year Won
[edit] BRE Awards
Jackson won two BRE Awards in 1989, including a Triple Crown award.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1989 Triple Crown Award – King of Pop, Rock & Soul Won
Video of the Year Won
[edit] BRIT Awards
The BRIT Awards, often simply called “The BRITs”, are the British Phonographic Industry’s annual pop music awards. The name was originally a shortened form of British or Britannia, but has subsequently become a “backronym” for British Record Industry Trust.
They have awarded Jackson with seven awards, including the “Artist of a Generation” award.[7]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1984 Best International Solo Artist Won
Thriller Best British Album Won
1988 Best International Solo Artist Won
1989 Best International Solo Artist Won
Best International Artist (Male) Won
“Smooth Criminal” Best Music Video Won
1996 Artist of a Generation Award Won
[edit] British Phonographic Industry Awards
The British Phonographic Industry (BPI) is the British record industry’s trade association. Its membership comprises hundreds of music companies including all four ‘major’ record companies (Warner Music Group, EMI, Sony BMG, and Universal Music Group), associate members such as manufacturers and distributors, and hundreds of independent music companies representing thousands of labels.
They awarded Jackson with two awards.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1981 Off the Wall BPI Award Won
1989 Video of the Year Won
[edit] British TV Industry Awards
The British TV Industry awarded Jackson a “Artist of the Decade” award in 1989.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1989 Artist of the Decade Won
[edit] Bollywood Awards
In 1999, Jackson was honoured with a Bollywood Award for his contributions to humanitarianism.[9]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1999 Humanitarian endeavors Outstanding Humanitarian Award Won
[edit] Cable Ace Awards
Jackson has been honoured with two Cable Ace awards.[7]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1988 Outstanding Editing in a Musical Special Won
1994 Outstanding Musical Special Won
[edit] Canadian Black Music Awards
In 1984, Jackson collected four Canadian Black Music awards, including one for “Entertainer of the Year”.[8]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1984 Top Male Vocalist Won
Entertainer of the Year Won
Thriller Top International Album Won
“Billie Jean” Top International Single Won
[edit] Capitol Children Museum
Jackson was awarded with a humanitarian award, from the Capitol Children Museum, in 1990.[6]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1990 Humanitarian endeavors Humanitarian Award Won
[edit] Cashbox Awards
Cash Box (or Cashbox) magazine was a weekly publication devoted to the music and coin-operated machine industries which was published from July 1942 to November 16, 1996. It was one of several magazines that published charts of song popularity in the United States of America.
They have awarded Jackson 11 awards throughout his career.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1980 Off the Wall Soul Album of the Year Won
1981 Soul Album of the Year Won
1983 Number One Male Artist Won
Top Black Male Artist Won
Top Male Singles Artist Won
Top Black Male Singles Artist Won
Thriller Top Pop Album Won
Thriller Top Black Album Won
“Billie Jean” Top Pop Single Won
“Billie Jean” Top Black Single Won
1989 Video Pioneer Won
[edit] Celebrate the Magic Foundation
In 2002, Jackson was honoured with a humanitarian award, from the Celebrate the Magic Foundation.[9]
Year Nominated work Award Result
2002 Humanitarian endeavors Magic Life Award Won
[edit] Children’s Choice Awards
Jackson was a given a Children’s Choice Award in 1994.[14]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1994 Caring for Kids Award Won
[edit] Crenshaw Community Youth & Arts Foundation
Jackson was awarded with a humanitarian award, from the Crenshaw Community Youth & Arts Foundation, in 1994.[14]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1994 Humanitarian Award Won
[edit] Critic’s Choice Awards
The Broadcast Film Critics Association Awards, commonly called the “Critics’ Choice Awards”, are bestowed annually by the Broadcast Film Critics Association to honor the finest in cinematic achievement.
Critic’s Choice awarded Jackson the “Best Video” award in 1989.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1989 Best Video Won
[edit] Crystal Globe Awards
In 1984, Jackson was awarded a Crystal Globe Award for exceeding sales of over 5 million units.[8]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1984 Crystal Globe Award Won
[edit] Danish Grammy Awards
Michael Jackson won two Danish Grammy Awards in 1996.[12]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1996 Best International Male Artist Won
HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I Best International Album Won
[edit] Dutch Music Factory Awards
The Dutch Music Factory Awards gave Jackson an award for “Best Live Show”, in 1997.[9]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1997 Best Live Show Won
[edit] Ebony Magazine
Ebony is a monthly magazine for the African American market. It was founded by John H. Johnson and has been published continuously since the Autumn of 1945.
They awarded Jackson an award for “Black Achievement” in 1988.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1988 American Black Achievement Award Won
[edit] ECHO Awards
An ECHO is a German music award granted every year by the Deutsche Phono-Akademie (an association of recording companies). Each year’s winner is determined by the previous year’s sales. The ECHO is the successor to the Deutscher Schallplattenpreis (German Record Award).
Jackson was awarded with an ECHO award for “Best International Artist of the Year” in 1993.[14]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1993 Best International Artist of the Year Won
[edit] Entertainment Tonight
Entertainment Tonight is a daily television entertainment news show that is syndicated by CBS Television Distribution throughout the United States, Canada and in many countries around the world.
In 1989 they awarded Jackson with a award for “Most Important Entertainer of the Decade”.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1989 Most Important Entertainer of the Decade Won
[edit] Forbes Magazine
Forbes is an American publishing and media company. Its flagship publication, Forbes magazine, is published bi-weekly. The magazine is well-known for its lists, including its lists of the richest Americans (the Forbes 400) and its list of billionaires.
They have twice named Jackson as the “#1 Entertainer of the Year” based on earnings.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1988 #1 Entertainer of the Year Won
1989 #1 Entertainer of the Year Won
[edit] Friday Night Videos
Friday Night Videos have awarded Jackson with two awards, including one for “Greatest Artist of the Decade”.[11]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1989 Greatest Artist of the Decade Won
Number One Artist Won
[edit] Genesis Awards
In 1996, Jackson was awarded with a Genesis Award for his environmental themed “Earth Song” music video.[12]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1996 “Earth Song” 1995 Doris Day Music Award Won
[edit] Golden Globe Awards
The Golden Globe Awards are presented annually by the Hollywood Foreign Press Association (HFPA) to recognize outstanding achievements in the entertainment industry, both domestic and foreign, and to focus wide public attention upon the best in motion pictures and television. The formal ceremony and dinner at which the awards are presented is a major part of the film industry’s awards season, which culminates each year with the Academy Awards.[15]
Jackson received a Golden Globe for his song, “Ben”, in 1972.[16]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1972 “Ben” Best Original Song Won
[edit] Grammy Awards
The Grammy Awards (originally called the Gramophone Awards)—or Grammys—are presented annually by the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences of the United States for outstanding achievements in the music industry. The awards ceremony features performances by prominent artists, and some of the awards of more popular interest are presented in a widely-viewed televised ceremony.
Since collecting his first Grammy Award, as a member of The Jackson 5, Jackson has won a total of eighteen awards throughout his career.[10] In 1984, he won a record eight Grammy Awards.[17]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1980 “Don’t Stop ’til You Get Enough” Best Male Vocal Performance (R&B) Won
1984 Thriller Album of the Year Won
“Billie Jean” Record of the Year Won
Thriller (with Quincy Jones) Producer of the Year Won
“Billie Jean” Best R&B Song Won
“E.T. – The Extra Terrestrial” Best Recording for Children (Narration) Won
“Thriller” Best Male Vocal Performance (Pop) Won
“Billie Jean” Best Male Vocal Performance (R&B) Won
“Beat It” Best Male Vocal Performance (Rock) Won
1985 The Making of Thriller Best Long Form Video Won
1986 “We Are the World” Song of the Year Won
“We Are the World” Record of the Year Won
“We Are the World” Best Pop Performance (Duo/Group) Won
“We Are the World” Best Short Form Music Video Won
1990 “Leave Me Alone” Best Short Form Music Video Won
1993 “Michael Jackson” Living Legend Award Won
1996 “Scream” Best Short Form Music Video Won
[edit] Grammy Hall of Fame
Two of Jackson’s albums were inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame in 2008.[18] The Jackson 5 song, “I Want You Back”, was inducted in 1999.[18]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1999 “I Want You Back” (with The Jackson 5) Grammy Hall of Fame Inducted
2008 Thriller Grammy Hall of Fame Inducted
2008 Off the Wall Grammy Hall of Fame Inducted
[edit] Guinness Book of World Records
The Guinness Book of World Records is a reference book published annually, containing a collection of world records, both human achievements and the extremes of the natural world.
Jackson has been awarded thirteen times by the Guinness Book of World Records.[17][19][20][21]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1984 Thriller The Best Selling Album of All Time Won
1993 Lifetime Achievement Award Won
2002 Ghosts Longest Music Video Won
The Making of Thriller Best Selling Music Video Won
The Jackson family Most Successful Pop Family Won
2006 Most Successful Entertainer of All Time Won
Youngest Vocalist to Top the US Singles Chart Won
Highest Paid Entertainer of all Time Won
First Entertainer to Earn More Than 100 million Dollars in a Year Won
First Entertainer to Sell More Than 100 Million Albums outside the US Won
Most Weeks at the Top of the US Album Charts Won
Thriller Most Successful Music Video Won
“You Are Not Alone” First Vocalist to Enter the US Single Chart at Number One Won
[edit] Harry Chapin Memorial
In 1995, Jackson won a humanitarian award from the Harry Chapin Memorial.[12]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1995 Humanitarian endeavors Humanitarian Award Won
[edit] Hollywood Walk of Fame
Jackson’s star on the Hollywood walk of fame, set in 1984The Hollywood Walk of Fame is a sidewalk along Hollywood Boulevard and Vine Street in Hollywood, Los Angeles, California, USA, that serves as an entertainment hall of fame. It is embedded with more than 2,000 five-pointed stars featuring the names of celebrities honored by the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce for their contributions to the entertainment industry.
Michael Jackson was the first celebrity to have two stars in the same category, one as a member of The Jacksons and another as a solo artist in 1984.[22] Jackson’s star is located between Highland Avenue and Orange Drive along with the stars of Mickey Mouse, Barbara Streisand, Nicole Kidman, Harrison Ford, Halle Berry, Elton John and Anthony Hopkins.[22]
Year Nominated work Award Result
1980 The Jacksons Hollywood Walk of Fame Star Won
1984 Michael Jackson Hollywood Walk of Fame Star Won
[edit] International Awards
As an international artist, Jackson has won fourteen awards from 10 different countries, including a National Honour of Merit from Gabon, Africa.[7]
[edit] Australia
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 Album of the Year Won
Single of the Year Won
[edit] Brazil
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 International Artist of the Year Won
[edit] Gabon
Year Nominated work Award Result
1992 National Honour of Merit Won
[edit] Greece
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 Record of the Year Won
[edit] Holland
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 Album of the Year Won
[edit] Italy
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 Artist of the Year Won
[edit] Japan
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 Artist of the Year Won
Album of the Year Won
Best Male Vocalist Won
[edit] The Netherlands
Year Nominated work Award Result
1983 Album of the Year Won
[edit] Spain