RIP The King Of Pop

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*************If the story below is true, manslaughter charges maybe forthcoming***********

If true, which doc brought in the propofol and will it be a combination of charges. I suspect there will be charges in this death.

If the tapes reveal a healthy and vigorous Michael Jackson, this will dispell any claims that there was anything seriously wrong with MJ, and support what some of the more honest doctors with some integrity that were close to him are saying which is that MJ was a hypochondriac, that he had a drug addiction, a desire to be perfect; hence all of the plastic surgery; and there were doctors who gave out prescriptions like candy with out any morals or values. Additonaly, many of the vultures, leaches in his life that wanted a piece of the money, lifstyle also enabled him. I would suspect they have the results of some of the tests and are already investigating the doctors and friends now. In additon, Sanjay Gupta indicated he’d blow the whistle on those who contributed to MJ’s demise.

Clearly, if these toxicology results come out indicating an overdose, and the coroner who worked on David Carradine indicated; they have not at this point said anything about any heart problem, or any other disease that was serious, it points to a drug addiction, and that Michael was healthy. These tapes would support that and be further evidence.

If I were the doc with him for his final moments; I’d be concerned. If he injected him with anything he’s cooked; and even if he didn’t; as a doc he would know what Michael was doing, would most likely be witness to it, and any other doc involved giving him drugs, and or administering is going to face serious consequences.

The doc who was with him in his final moments is finished as a doc now anyway. An opportunity of a lifetiem he thought; Who in their right mind would go to him now and trust him after what happened to MJ in his care. He’s done. Of course, he had a bad reputation to begin with – lots of lawsuits against him, back child support. And he has 5 kids by six women: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2507708/Michael-Jackson-doctor-has-6-kids-by-5-mums.html

Conrad Murray could face manslaughter charges if it was he who brought this into the home, administered it, or knew about it.

**************BREAKING****************** http://www.okmagazine.com/news/view/15388

Further speculation over what exactly caused Michael Jackson’s death is being discussed after TMZ reports that Propofol, an extremely potent and dangerous drug, was found at his home.

Propofol is used for surgical anesthesia, and the report indicates it is not supposed to be used except by medical personnel, as it can only be administered with an IV. A source tells TMZ, “There is no conceivable way this drug can be properly prescribed for home use.”

******************THIS IS VERY SERIOUS, CHARGES MAYBE FORTHCOMING********************************

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@John:
Sorry meant to say he has 6 kids with 5 women.

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Michael was a legacy. Listening to some of his songs, he was incredibly brilliant; and wrote about some interesting subject; Man in the Mirror, he could have done so much more good if he those around him had been decent. Thriller was first video, but the guy, wrote and produced this. It was nothing short of genius all of his work.

I am looking forward to hearing the music he wrote, that no one has heard yet. His music impacted all of us. Rest in piece Michael; you didn’t have much in life it seems.

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He’s so cute in that pic. It’s too bad he was so completely messed up. Sorry but I was not a fan, and of course I never knew him personally so I have nothing else to say.

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bb14, I am sorry that he has passed on but I to was never a fan of his. I hope he finds peace wherever he is.

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Fan or no fan of Michael’s, he was brilliant, his music, words and choreography were incredible. It seems he was in a lot of emotional pain (perhaps caused through his upbringing with his father) that he never learned how to work through the problems and find positive solutions – short of taking drugs to dull his senses which caused him to lose his motivation, passion, enthusiasm, values, and zest for life. While he could express some of his pain and insight through music, he got caught up with the wrong crowd, who didn’t help his cause, and were it seems out for themselves. Michael was rather infantile in some ways, too trusting, trying to help the world and protect the children of the world, but in his isolation, started to have distorted thinking himself. He needed positive people to help him through this. He also needed to grow up and realize, some people can be trusted, some can’t and of course, he needed to set more limits for himself also. He needed honesty in his life, at the risk of getting hurt. It seems he was never happy with himself, and subsequently worked on his face so many times that it, like his mind became distorted. It appears he also took drugs to most likley ease his emotional pain and all of the troubling thoughts that engulfed him. With a more discipined lifestyle; a plan to get better, realizing there are ups and downs in life, and it’s not always easy for anyone, he could have received the help he needed; developed good friendships, and avoided the leaches in his life. As a star, he would have a lot of leaches around him and he needed to be more discerning.

There is no doubt he was an incredible entertainer, who was deep in thought, and through his pain and hardships, expressed those experiences in his music. Balance was missing in Jackson’s life.

He needed someone like Britney Spears father to come along and save him. That doesn’t happen too often; Britney is lucky. Michael couldn’t save himself.

Will end with Michael’s song:

“Man In The Mirror”

I’m Gonna Make A Change,
For Once In My Life
It’s Gonna Feel Real Good,
Gonna Make A Difference
Gonna Make It Right . . .

As I, Turn Up The Collar On My
Favourite Winter Coat
This Wind Is Blowin’ My Mind
I See The Kids In The Street,
With Not Enough To Eat
Who Am I, To Be Blind?
Pretending Not To See
Their Needs
A Summer’s Disregard,
A Broken Bottle Top
And A One Man’s Soul
They Follow Each Other On
The Wind Ya’ Know
‘Cause They Got Nowhere
To Go
That’s Why I Want You To
Know

I’m Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I’m Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change)
(Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na,
Na Nah)

I’ve Been A Victim Of A Selfish
Kind Of Love
It’s Time That I Realize
That There Are Some With No
Home, Not A Nickel To Loan
Could It Be Really Me,
Pretending That They’re Not
Alone?

A Willow Deeply Scarred,
Somebody’s Broken Heart
And A Washed-Out Dream
(Washed-Out Dream)
They Follow The Pattern Of
The Wind, Ya’ See
Cause They Got No Place
To Be
That’s Why I’m Starting With
Me
(Starting With Me!)

I’m Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
(Ooh!)
I’m Asking Him To Change
His Ways
(Ooh!)
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change)

I’m Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
(Ooh!)
I’m Asking Him To Change His
Ways
(Change His Ways-Ooh!)
And No Message Could’ve
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make That . . .
(Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make That . . .)
Change!

I’m Starting With The Man In
The Mirror,
(Man In The Mirror-Oh
Yeah!)
I’m Asking Him To Change
His Ways
(Better Change!)
No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
(Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make The Change)
(You Gotta Get It Right, While
You Got The Time)
(’Cause When You Close Your
Heart)
You Can’t Close Your . . .Your
Mind!
(Then You Close Your . . .
Mind!)
That Man, That Man, That
Man, That Man
With That Man In The Mirror
(Man In The Mirror, Oh Yeah!)
That Man, That Man, That Man
I’m Asking Him To Change
His Ways
(Better Change!)
You Know . . .That Man
No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change)
Hoo! Hoo! Hoo! Hoo! Hoo!
Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na,
Na Nah
(Oh Yeah!)
Gonna Feel Real Good Now!
Yeah Yeah! Yeah Yeah!
Yeah Yeah!
Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na,
Na Nah
(Ooooh . . .)
Oh No, No No . . .
I’m Gonna Make A Change
It’s Gonna Feel Real Good!
Come On!
(Change . . .)
Just Lift Yourself
You Know
You’ve Got To Stop It.
Yourself!
(Yeah!-Make That Change!)
I’ve Got To Make That Change,
Today!
Hoo!
(Man In The Mirror)
You Got To
You Got To Not Let Yourself . . .
Brother . . .
Hoo!
(Yeah!-Make That Change!)
You Know-I’ve Got To Get
That Man, That Man . . .
(Man In The Mirror)
You’ve Got To
You’ve Got To Move! Come
On! Come On!
You Got To . . .
Stand Up! Stand Up!
Stand Up!
(Yeah-Make That Change)
Stand Up And Lift
Yourself, Now!
(Man In The Mirror)
Hoo! Hoo! Hoo!
Aaow!
(Yeah-Make That Change)
Gonna Make That Change . . .
Come On!
(Man In The Mirror)
You Know It!
You Know It!
You Know It!
You Know . . .
(Change . . .)
Make That Change.

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His death ranks up there w/ Elvis, Judy Garland, Tupac, and John Lennon as the most profound celeb deaths.

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Ian, this site has gone DownHill. This lame second post about MJ was just promoting your book. MOVE ON. You can still mourn, but show some journalistic sense. If you give a rats arse about him, you wouldn’t be trying to live off his death with this.

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A week ago, people were making fun of him. Now he ups and dies and everyone loves him and cares. That’s what sucks about people in general, but the famous in particular. People either stay away because it’s a messy situation or they enable and then afterwards everyone is like “OMG!” I wonder what would have happened if his family and close friends had decided to worry about him and communicate their worries to him and surrounded him with love as opposed to having been suspended in time as Joe Jackson’s personal ATM. Even in the last few years, with all his financial trouble, he asked for extra ATM cards to be ordered for some of his relatives as they said they needed more money. People get very judgmental about stars who have gotten into drugs and die but I think a prime example of how used they are is Kurt Cobain. Kurt Cobain did NOT want to go on tour. He also tried to kick heroin. He also told the record company and his management that he needed to take a year off, that he was too under pressure. Their response? The management company had someone messenger over some heroin to keep him in check. The record company also sent drugs over. Cobain ended up going on the tour, then in Italy he supposedly overdosed – it was not just an overdose, it was a planned suicide attempt that went wrong because Courtney Love got into town earlier than expected. Did management let him off the hook? NO. Did the tour company get rid of the rest of the dates? NO. Did the record company still make sure he was on heroin? YES.

BTW, all of the above is not something that I read somewhere. Kim Deal told me about of all of that – she and Cobain knew each other well. She was beyond grief when he died. Oh, she went to his funeral and came back fuming – she said that Courtney Love came up to her and said “feel my new breasts – don’t they feel so natural” and also went up to a number of other people to discuss her breast job while Cobain’s funeral was going on. I think she was probably just high, but man, it made Kim soooo upset.

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When will the investigation into the death of MJ turn into a ‘ criminal investigation ‘ ? Only a matter of time ? His body is riddled with injection marks , the drug Propofol found in his house, a drug which is strictly hospital use …. who else is on that drug ? (Thinking of one female here who is also very skinny, who is also sleep deprived, and likes drugs and has been reckless) So now, here are doctors among us who do ambulant IV services to put you under with anesthesia ?

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@harikari girl:
I think the reason people were put off about Jackson is the rumours about the kids; that had an impact. Question is; were the rumours true, or was someone trying to take advantage of him, knowing he was vulnerable and wealthy. Jackson did pull away from people when getting in the drugs. For the most part and for the longest time, people admired and respected Jackson’s accomplishments, talent; who he was until he started to exhibit some strange behavior and there were the talks about the kids.

Two things here; he, like so many other stars who travel this path, needed help. I’m certain there were people who tried to hlep him – but the ones who didn’t they stand out. Michael also had a spending problem; he liked to give and could be taken advantage of. Additionaly, he put himself in debt so he was doing this tour to make some money back. Many people saw Michael as a meal ticket; others a form of entertainment; but he was a person like anyone else working through his problems.

I don’t think everyone is expressing “love” for him as they are reflecting back to his talent, what he represented once upon a time, their connection to a song of his, and the realization, that he is gone, far too early, tragically, at the hands of doctors. Kind of makes you concerned more and more about doctors who abuse their position; breaking trust and abusiving their power. When a doctor at this level breaks that trust, takes advantage of the patient, to enhance his own lifestyle, and worse; the person dies, that is serious. It needs to stop.

When does society, the authorities start doing something about it. Making these doctors accountable, charging them for contributing to someones early demise. Perhaps if there were tougher regulations governing this, programs there to help people beat addictions, make them more responsible, take away a docs licence who starts overstepping boundaries, and gets into things like this; people like Anna Nicole Smith, Elvis, Michael Jackson would still be here today and would be better educated, healthier,.

I think people are sad that this is happenign in society. That people are being exploited adn that nothing up to this point has been done to stop doctors like in the case of Anna Nicole, Elvis and Michael Jackson from unethical behavior and practice.

Michaels’ death has brought out a lot of mixed fealings; the feeling of loss of a human being, the loss of his talent and what he could have been. Michael was tremendously talented; and well known the world over. We mourn his vulnerabilty, his tragic life, the decisons he made, the incredibly irresponsible doctors that are out there practicing and getting away with this sort of thing and that no one did, or seemed to be abel to do anything to stop the doctors from unethical behavior, or Michael from taking these drugs, making the decisions he made, including this tragedy.

People are reflecting back on his music; particularly anyone that remembered when he first came on the music scene, and the unfortunate series of events. It didn’t need to end this way.

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@Ms Agatha:

I’ve heard a lot of stories and witnessed a lot of things but I had never even heard of Propofol until they explained it on the news. I know of people that have gotten injections of Demerol and I’m not dismissing that as a light thing, but it does seem kind lightweight compared to a drug that’s only used for anesthesia!!! Unfortunate Ms Agatha, most doctors out here are willing to write you a prescription even if you don’t ask for it if they know you’re in the movies. I’ve been asked by my doctors things like “any general complaints, anything that’s bothering you?” and I replied with “just the headaches, they keep coming but I’m used to it at this point.” The next thing they do is offer you a prescription for Vicodin or Lortab or Percocet of Norco or Oxycontin. But it’s really a double standard because I have friends out here that are not in the industry who have some real physical pain that has been chronicled with CAT scan or MRI and their doctors are very reluctant to even give them 10 pills, let alone to prescribe something for them to start with. And the scary irony is that each doctor I’ve had out here are all considered to be amongst the best doctors in their field. It’s a weird Hollywood thing. So if little ole me who is nowhere near the height of stardom of MJ or AJ is offered up so easily narcotics, then I can’t even imagine what the docs are willing to give them. But the anesthesia thing? Honestly, I thought I’d heard it all, but I was wrong, I’ve never heard of anyone else in this town getting something that is solely for anesthesia.

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meant “unfortunately Ms Agatha

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Too bad MJ’s death overshadowed the passing of more talented and classy people like Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, Gale Storm and today Karl Malden. It’s time to move on.

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@harikari girl:
…and why is that, I wonder ? …Why, if you are HW celebrity, you can get the drugs thrown at you by docs …. is it the money ? Presumable the celeb has tons of it ….celebrities can pay a lot of money for a ‘ private ‘ prescription …than your normal guy from down the road ….. you won’t get those drugs by using your Blue Shield/Blue Cross card …. Other than doctor’s greed I cannot think of any other reason. Well, maybe one more: The celeb will keep his mouth shut about the deals ( he got too much to lose ) … so the doc is safe from blackmail and the law ? I think that in the years A.M. (after Michael) we will see some changes, particular if some big wig docs will end behind bars …….

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TMZ just reporting:
- it won’t be until next week
– it will not be at Neverland
– it will be in the L.A. area, and the Staples Center is an option but it hasn’t been decided.

Beyond that — the family still hasn’t made its decision.

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@Ms Agatha:
The funeral, that is…

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@harikarigirl……….just curious, where are you originally from?

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Michael was a kind hearted “kid” in a man’s body. Michael, I salute you and your legacy. Your family must never sell the Beatles catalog. Your fans will ensure that your debts are paid with music and other sales.

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@Ms Agatha:
I think you nailed it with the greed. But I also think that there’s this twisted mentality that people get sucked into, including doctors, which is about who their client list contains.

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Vulture!

The Jackson family are going to prove EVERYTHING you said about Michael’s illnesses as false. It seems from the reports I’m hearing that is of a prime focus – to ensure that people know that Michael was not terminally ill as you claim in your book. Nobody is mentioning your name, they’re smarter than that Ian, to direct traffic to you is an insult to the memory of a great talent, albeit a very strange individual. With that genius of talent however, the balancing factor to these personality types tends to be off the wall for most humans, but that is WHY people like Jackson are so revered. Because they are RARE.

*throws 5 cents at site earnings for you*

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@Ms Agatha:

I was thinking about your remarks and it made to start to question why is it that it’s so different out here. I do believe that there is a lot of secrecy out here as you mentioned. When I lived in NYC, no matter who the person was, people were just so much more forthcoming and direct about their experiences and their lives. But out here there really is a pervasive feeling of secrecy and eventually it starts to rub off on you.
I also think that things are done a little differently out here. For instance, my psychiatrist comes to my home every week as opposed to me going to his office. This was a novel experience for me when I first started working with him. If I still lived in New York, it would be me going to the doctor, not the doctor coming to me so I do think that it’s kind of an LA thing.

The other thing I thought of which I have no idea whether it’s part of it or not is that it wasn’t that long ago that the studio system was in place. And as everyone knows, the studios always had doctors on the payroll. Just look at people like Judy Garland and Marilyn Monroe – it was the studio doctors (with the studio completely aware) giving out the barbiturates to put them out at night and prescribing speed to get them up and performing the next day. It’s possible that this epidemic out here is simply the natural evolution of the old ways. Studios and producers and investors and even a lot of agents don’t really care how you manage to do your job, all they care about is that you DO do your job. And many are more than happy to turn a blind eye. And therein lies a recipe for disaster… just a thought.

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@Ms Agatha:

Speaking of money: Jackson owed over $100,000 to just one pharmacy in Beverly Hills.

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Two esteemed actresses from England passed recently. One I know form “Are You Being Served?” The other is not as well known here but I read beautiful tributes to her from other actors.

And Harve Presnell also just passed.

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@harikari girl:

” agents don’t really care how you manage to do your job, all they care about is that you DO do your job”

…. you are right , it’s the ‘ old ways’ , when the studio ‘owned’ you , which has taking a life on it’s own….
I would call it ‘ controlling your assets ” …… if the celeb would understand , that all she/he is for the industry is : an asset , which needs to be controlled , emotionally, financially and medically if needed to ……. maybe we would have more ‘healthy’ and less vain celebs …..You cannot find friendship in places were your very being means financial gain or loss to others…. I hope, that the outcome of the MJ disaster will make everybody, who sits in similar boat, look again and re-think…… probably preaching to the wind here …aarghhh

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@Move On:

Move On said on July 1st, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Too bad MJ’s death overshadowed the passing of more talented and classy people like Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, Gale Storm and today Karl Malden. It’s time to move on.

Yes, Ed McMahon was soooooooooooooooo classy. He spent the bulk of his career wiping Johnny Carson’s ass.
And then he became a shill for American Family Publishers. Yes, the man was a HUGE talent, an industry icon.
*rolling eyes*

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I’m happy this child molesting freak is dead

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harikari girl, i read this site now and then and i must say you have some of the best posts. thanks for sharing your “hollywood” experience with us. rip michael jackson. keane, i also enjoy you as well. been lurking for months but rarely post.

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Sad but true
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XseRpNxgu2U

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Sad but true……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XseRpNxgu2U

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@Move On:
Michael Jackson was the greatest entertainer EVER. He certainly deserves all the media attention and outpouring of grief by people all over the world. He had immense talent, a true musical genius who broke barriers between races. His songs had the ability to unite people: in concerts, on the streets, you saw it on tv these past few weeks. His death has overshadowed all past celebrities’ deaths put together.

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@Putznasher:
There was never any proof that MJ molested those two idiot kids. The families were just out for his money. Just because you read it in the papers doesn’t make it true. It’s sad that there are people out there who will believe everything they read in gossip mags and tabloid papers. These kind of people are narrow-minded, jealous types who are only happy when they see other people suffering and inflict negativity on others.

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Is this the new site of the party-discussion?

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@ladybert62:
Oh yeah. that is better.

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Am I at the right place ?

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@Vittoria:
I’m here. When I was looking at the other thread, I saw a long John-like list, supposedly from Tamara dated 7/14. Was that really from her? Was a little less than her usual pleasantness.

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@Ms Agatha:
YES – we are back together – hope the others find us – I will go back to the other two and leave a forwarding message! ha ha

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@ladybert62:I think so. I was reading comments over at tmz apparently Katherine is either easily manipulated or is the power behind the throne. In LaToya’s autobiography which she later recanted she said her mother was the evil behind Joe. I guess the Encino compound is where she’s supporting some of the other siblings and their children. One of the brother’s married his ex-sister-in-law and also had kids with her, so their kids are half siblings and cousins. Interesting none of the girls are living there.

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@ladybert62:
Thanks. I might not end up throwing the laptop against the wall now!

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@Different Guest:
Really – that is hard for me to believe. I thought mom Jackson was supposedly sweet and just manipulated by Bad Daddy and now she has some of the adult boys living with her?

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@ladybert62:
Great idea Lady B ! …… Glad I catched you guys before everything is disapearing on my screen…lol

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@Different Guest:
They put the D in dysfunction.

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@Vittoria:
…. was about to drown a bottle of wine out of frust… lol

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@ladybert62:Not just the boys, their children too. Is the Randy Jackson on American Idol Michael’s youngest brother or some other Jackson entirely?

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@Different Guest:
I can’t imagine old Joe being manipulated by anybody …. no way his old lady is wearing the pants…. impossibile…

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@Vittoria:I thought my family did. I would say the Jacksons are DYSFUNCTIONAL. and if I knew how to do it I’d put it in bold.

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@Ms Agatha:Not having read the autobiography I can see how a child would see a mother who failed to protect her children as evil.

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@ladybert62:
Maybe she has post traumatic stress. Can you imagine seeing your husband bully and beat your children as they grow. Perhaps she thought the only way to survive was to keep her mouth shut. How would she be the power in that scenario? Or maybe I have the scenario wrong. Maybe as Michael rose to the position of familial power, she rose with him and now knows that her SOB husband wouldn’t touch her or he would be out in the cold.

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Now Madonna got problems too: French cops are treating the two deaths associated with Madonna’s stage collapse as homicide…. just read on TMZ

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@Ms Agatha:
I now blame Ian, lovely Sugar Ray (missing in action) and Ms. NineCents for my new alcoholic (as in Baileys) consumption! I must say the teeny weeny glass I had of it about 30 minutes ago (for medicial purposes only) certainly improved my disposition! Ha ha

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@Ms Agatha:
What? Homicide? WIll have to try and find that article – be right back!

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@Vittoria:I’ve read conflicting reports, that she wanted to divorce him on several occasions and the kids talked her out of it. I don’t know if the Jehova’s Witnesses have any position on divorce. The only one I knew, I worked with, they don’t celebrate birthdays or other holidays so she would never bring anything to the community potlucks, but she was happy to partake.

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@Different Guest:
They care certainly in a class by themselves – and I agree that if mom fails to protect the kid from someone like Bad Daddy and I was that kid – mom would be just as evil to me as Bad Daddy! Yikes Bad Daddy and Bad Mommy!

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@Different Guest:
She failed her children. A mother has the duty to protect her children. Why did she not go to police, get restraining order, divorce …something…. she was afraid of him, but this is no excuse to watch the father abuse your own children.

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@ladybert62:Odd thing is battered children tend to idolize the abuser.

Back to our other favorite topic of discussion, what if BP believed 2 of the kids were his and then found out otherwise?

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@Different Guest:
Her faith kept her from contributing but not snacking down. Lovely. Nice Manners.

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@Different Guest:
I think they don’t agree with divorce…but many divorce nevertheless…. same with catholics …. they divorce like everybody else, despite their church rulings

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@Different Guest:
No. Wrong Randy Jackson…..and boy I bet AI Randy is happy as hell he’s not part of that mess.
I don’t see Bad Daddy Joe taking shit from anybody in his house. He seems like a classic bully.

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@Ms Agatha:Actually that part I understand remember it was the early 60’s she was a black woman from a poor background with 9 kids – who would have helped her? It’s as the children got older why she didn’t kick him to the curb that astounds me.

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@Different Guest:

Maybe drowns himself in booze first…. then lawyers up (hopefully)…. sets the rules re custody …or else…..then kicks her out (hopefully)

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@Ms Agatha:
Something was going to happen with me as well!!!!!

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@Different Guest:
You could be right there…… she was uneducated, got the kids very young, did not anything else but to obey husband etc……still, later she should have taken the risk and leave….maybe she is your classic submissive ….thinks, that’s how it is supposed to be…..

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@Different Guest:
I think hapless believed the kids were his and then found out either by accident (maybe the twins had some tests done due to their supposed allergies and it was revealed that hapless was not Pappa) or by design (meaning someone told him on purpose). I think if he believe that one or more was his and then he discovered this was not true, that he would be devastated and angry.

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@Ms Agatha:
When this was locking up, I went over to TMZ during one off the interminable waits. I saw there that Jackson’s Dr. Murray cancelled his appointment with the LAPD. Now his lawyer has also gotten a lawyer and he’s refusing to speak with them as well. Twisty twisty twisty!
I don’t see how they could call homicide on the arena set up accident. These type of things do unfortunately occur.

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@Vittoria:I was just hoping you all would come out to play.

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@Vittoria:
hehehehe….. too funny though, don’t you think…. glad we are all back together again lol …hope the others will come too….. guess we will find out…

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@Vittoria:So I think the ones living with Mommy are Randy, Marlon and Jermaine’s ex-wife and the double grandchildren. I think I read somewhere (here?) that Tito lives in England. I also read somewhere that Rebbie married wealth.

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@Vittoria:It’s France, set up for a payoff.

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@Vittoria:
Lawyer gets a lawyer…this gets better and better…. hopefully, as of right now… NO doctor will give ANY celeb ANY drugs …. and if it is out of fear he might be next…… Ha, AJ … time to move !

Re Madonna…. if they find that somebody was trying to safe money and neglected security issues….. bang… don’t forget it’s the French police…. they don’t know pardon

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I think I read somewhere that Rebbie got married at 18 and has 3 kids and is still married (she’s the oldest and got the hell out while the getting was good). I think it is telling that the two younger girls don’t have children.

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@Ms Agatha:
I agree with you except I think he is a sucker for a pretty face and Helen of Troy-Jolie has the ability to manipulate people to do what she wants. I simply do not see him as the strong and controlling one in that relationship; I think she always has been, is, and will be as long as they are together the boss. I think she will break it up and leave him (isnt that her pattern – she has left the others in the past). She keeps them around for her needs and does what she wants without regard for the other person. I think the only person she has met who is possibly stronger than her is that Jenny lady and that that is whom Helen of Troy will eventually end up with – men to Ms. Troy are tools, playthings to be used/tossed aside. I dont think Ms. Jenny lets her do that and that is one reason Ms. Troy finds Ms. Jenny so fascinating/irrestible – in addition to the sex she share.

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I’m still locking up. Going to clear cookies and reboot. Back in about 10 minutes ladies.

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@Different Guest:
Dont any of them work for a living?

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@ladybert62:Being made a fool of can make one angry enough to end a relationship. I don’t know if it was lost in our moving around, I posted that sometimes parents find out when they are not related to their children after a simple blood test, 2 type O parents cannot have an A, B or AB child. Their kids will all be O. I would guess that blood typing the mother would be done before a c-section.

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@ladybert62:Apparently not and they had just filed a $40 million lawsuit against Michael for refusing to do a reunion concert two weeks before he died.

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@Vittoria:
I agree with you there – I dont see anyone controlling that monster. The little bit I read of Bad Daddy, he was horrible! Verbally abusive and physically kidding them with belt buckles and ridiculing their looks (probably why they have had so much plastic surgery). I read yesterday that Janet Jackson has broken up with her long time boyfriend and wants the 3 kids – could be the boyfriend left knowing the kids were coming and so was Bad Daddy!

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@Different Guest:
What – the family sued him for not doing a reunion concert? Is that what you mean? These people get stranger and stranger to me by the minute!

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@ladybert62:

Yes, I think you were right maybe up to 2 years ago…. that was once upon a time in HW time …lol
His body language towards her shows clearly, she has lost her spell over him…… adios…gone…pfffffft…
The sex has worn off….. he needs fresh meat ( sorry for being so blunt) , drama queen free environment ,
more and better sex….. remember Ian said so ….. the problem with that is : Who he think he is ? Not that attractive any more either…

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@ladybert62:
rofl…… this is good !!!

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@ladybert62:
Here you go… that’s how they make their living…lol

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@ladybert62:So Janet is going to step up? She’s the only one with any money sense in that family – her fortune is still intact.

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@ladybert62:Yep. It is getting stranger by the minute.

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@Different Guest:
I watched a television show earlier today (which is what caused my earlier migraine) about the Dr. Jeffrey MacDonald murder case. Remember that one from the 60/70’s? He was found guilty of killing wife Collette and two kids in their arm base home – after the step-father in law persisted in his claims that the doctor killed in family in a drug induced rage? MacDonald claimed that 4 hippies (woman in floppy hat) did the killing. Anyway, I brought it up because of what you said about blood types. The DA won the case because of the blood evidence – it was shown that each member of that family had a different blood type so they could specifically trace the movements of each member of the family in the house during the killing. Do you know how it is possible for such an event (ea family member having a different blood type with the kids being the bio kids of both parents) to happen – seems extremely odd to me. What do you think?

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@ladybert62:
Yes, but it depends which types. We each have two genes for the A, B and O blood types. A and B are dominant, so if a person has an A or a B as well as an O, their blood type will be A or B. But they can pass on the O. Two parents who are A or B but each have the O gene can have a child who is type O. This is because both parents passed on the recessive O gene. On the other hand, if both parents are type O, it means neither have an A or B gene, so they cannot pass on anything but the O gene. The child can only be type O. If one parent is type A and the other is type B it is also possible for a child to get both of these and be type AB.

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@Ms Agatha:
and if nothing else, I think that Holie-Jolie would not let him leave her – if anyone leaves, it will be her! If they have split up now, she is angling to get him back and then she is going to whack him in the head and walk out saying she had to do it for the sake of the kids (she will think up some nefarious reason or reveal something dastardly he has done in the past that she “just found out about”). I simply do not see hapless as being of a strong enough personality to permanently leave her – from what has been revealed to me about him from this site, he is controlled by women and makes decisions based on his little head and that is one part of the body Holie-Jolie knows how to control – the sexual attraction might have cooled but I think she has ramp it up enough to get him back and then dump him! She must “save face” at all costs!

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@Ms Agatha:
well I bet that explains it, one parent was A, one parent was B, one kid was AB and one kid was O – thus 4 people and 4 different blood types. Fascinating.

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@Different Guest:
That is the latest I read (seems to change by the minute though – ha ha ) – seems she wants the kids, they want her and Mom is tooo old to be raising them especially in light of her past submission to Bad Daddy’s ways! I wonder if this is possible since MJ will said Mom or Dianna Ross (whats up with that?).

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@ladybert62:
I know, …. that’s why it is so important for him to put as many miles between her and himself …. hope he takes off to S America soon…. there was this actor, forgot his name, who threatened her with injunction if she would not leave him alone….. he tried to go out the door after one-night-stand …. and she wouldn’t let go of him….for weeks to come .. ….change your locks BP ! Get yourself new young hot chick , stay in her house and do not go home !!! (Maybe that’s what he is doing already HA )

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@Ms Agatha:
I am actually surprised that nothing like the workers deaths have occurred before – the shows these mega-artists put one are so complicated with lighting, costumes, circus-like acts and since they travel across the world doing them meaning all these contraptions have to come down, then up again, I am surprised that this is the first time it has happened. WIll be interesting to see if someone was trying to save money as you suggest and using second rate equipment or undertrainer workers. Is Madonna tight with her money?

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@ladybert62:Yes, do you know about the Mendelian square? You make a square and cut it in 2 so you have 4 boxes. We get our blood type from both of our parents. O is recessive, meaning to have it you have to get both parents O gene. A and B are dominant over O, but not each other – hence AB, then you have the rh factor whether or not you are negative or positive. Back to my box at the top and side of the box you put blood type of the parents: mine could look like either of the two below because my Dad was O, my Mom is A, but she doesn’t remember her father’s blood type
A O A A
O AO OO O AO AO
O AO OO O AO AO

In the first scenario each child has a 50-50 chance of being A or O in the second they are all A’s. All my siblings and I are A. In the McDonald case if one parent was AO and the other was BO, they could produce children who were AO, BO, OO and AB hence you would have 3 different blood trails.

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@ladybert62:
The Court can over rule will, if it is in the best interest of the children ….

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@ladybert62:Diana Ross has done a pretty good job of raising her kids. I think I read somewhere that at one point late teens he lived with her and her children.

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@Ms Agatha:
Yikes – I hadnt heard that story – she does sound like she would be a stalker type if she was rebuffed. Once in her claws, she plays with them like my cats – keeping them alive, playing as she wants amusement, then she does the tossing when she is done! Just like she returns to Billy Goat and that other guy who was a previous lover (Matinez?).

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@ladybert62:Is the Pope catholic? Ms Madonna is known to be very tight with a dollar when it comes to her employees.

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@Ms Agatha:As someone on another blog pointed out you can’t will your children, they aren’t property, you can make a suggestion, but the court is obligated to do what’s it considers to be the best interest of the children.

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@ladybert62:
Don’t know if she is tight with her money…… but know, she is a tight-ass upper crust wannabe…..

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@Ms Agatha:Wasn’t that Colin Farrell?

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@Different Guest:
Another fact I didnt know (so much to learn, so little time ha ha ). How old is Diana Ross now though? I think she is older than me (63) – that seems a little too old to be raising three young kids (just my opinion of course as others probably think that is not too old to raise kids!).

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@ladybert62:
I think she would throw herself under bus before she would let a man leave HER….. she is a classic stalker….borderline personality disorder …. and more

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@Ms Agatha:Always the first mistake when people move up a notch or two or more on the class ladder. All the old wealth people I’ve known have been kind and generous – but most of them have had wealth for at least 3 generations.

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@Different Guest:
That is a good way to put it! I hope those kids get some attorney to represent their interests independently – maybe a court will appoint one.

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@Different Guest:
Yeah!!! That’s him… thanks for name !

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@Ms Agatha:
BINGO for Ms. Agatha! Nice to know that others agree with me that she is deviant (sorry mia – but that is my opinion).

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@Ms Agatha:funny thing is I think the only man she might still be attractive to is old Billy Goat Bob. How many men are attracted to a woman with 4 or 6 kids. Especially if one or two of them might have disablilites.

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@Different Guest:
Nothing more repulsive than the Nouveau Riche, and if they come without education you might as well immigrate to Palm Island…. lol

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@Ms Agatha:I think she might just throw herself under a bus if her house of cards is falling down around her. Anyone know is the Examiner an online or an actual Daily Paper? Seems to me that article was throwing down the gauntlet to produce all six kids.

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@Different Guest:
Is he married now? He is someone else I had never heard of until this site – strange fellow.

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@Ms Agatha:
what is Palm Island?

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@Different Guest:
Do you know, that I always thought, and still think, those two actually ‘ work ‘ as a pair….. they should have stayed together…..I think , she regrets not have to submitted to him ( at least a little bit )…. they were on similar wave length….. at least she couldn’t pull one over his face, she respected him more than she ever did BP…… he was her teacher in so many things…. lol

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@ladybert62:I think he is, but hey AJ never considered that a deterrent. I think she was his 4th wife.

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@ladybert62:
It’s a tine, weeny little island in the Caribic Islands …. you can surround it in 20 min …

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tiny …oops

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@Ms Agatha:they are both white trash, he just wouldn’t go along with her baby buying compulsion.

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@Ms Agatha:
and she keeps returning to him for advice (Not just sex) – from what I have read about her relationship with him, I think it was possible genuine. It would be hysterical if she went back to him and hapless returned to the lovely Ms. Jen!

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@Different Guest:
so perhaps if that aspect of her mania has cooled down, perhaps they could reunite? But would he want 6 kids – he doesnt seem the daddy type to me.

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@ladybert62:
Don’t think so…. he had baby with a woman AFTER AJ left….. + older daughter from earlier days

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@Different Guest:
He told everybody who wanted to hear for years now, that she (AJ) will get tired of BP. He calls him the highschool quaterback…haha….

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The penny dropped when we were talking about Madonna and french corruption. Of all the European countries France is a bastion of corruption – what better place to pull off a baby scam.

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@ladybert62:

Not if she comes with 6 kids…. he is a lot on the road with his band playing rock …. besides, he is a real good professional actor , no fake here

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@Different Guest:
… here we go….. hmmmmm

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@Ms Agatha:
I think that is an apt description – hapless was a trophy win to boost her self esteem and she thought it would notch her up on the A list ladder – ironically her “winning” him also earned her enormous disrespect in Hollywood while Ms. Jen’s respect quota went up because of the classy way Ms. Jen handled the split and herself afterwards.

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@Ms Agatha:Billy Goat Bob has five kids (including Maddox) I think the mother of the 2 boys has a restraining order against him.

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@Different Guest:
You lost me! What do you mean about France and baby scam?

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@Different Guest:
Wow – 5 kids? Restraining order against him? Why?

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@ladybert62:Back to our original musings about just how many children the Jolie-Pitts have. If you were going to pull off a baby scam it would be the perfect place to do it. Funny thing is, remember the book I mentioned about the baby kidnapping and seeing what you expect to see – it was set in France.

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@Different Guest:
As far as I know it’s a net paper

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@ladybert62:I don’t remember, I’m thinking possibly domestic violence.

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@Different Guest:
Please tell me again the name of that book – I am going to try and get it and read it!

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@Different Guest:
Do you know why the restraining order ?

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hahahah you got to read this
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/05/21/2008-05-21_billy_bob_thornton_accused_of_stalking_f.html@ladybert62:

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@Ms Agatha:
The Examiner is a hugh network of real papers – there is one in SF – it is the oldest paper in the area. It has had its up and downs in the past few years and has changed dramatically in its appearance and content. Nowadays, it is pretty much a “republican” point of view paper but it has an excellent gossip column in the SF edition (the writer is very funny but she is also kindly and very enjoyable). The online column that posters here talk about does not appear in the SF paper or online edition so I have to logon to the LA Examiner to read it.

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Now I know why AJ still has contact with him…….from one stalker to the other….. exchange of ideas

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@ladybert62:
Thanks for info… appreciate it

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@Ms Agatha:
and LOOK AT THAT – that is the exact description that Sugar Ray used in one of the puzzles – the “patch from the lower lip like an exclamation point” thingie – remember our discussion on the other thread. I am convinced after seeing that picture that that reference was specificially meant to be Billy Goat’s goatee!

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@ladybert62:It’s called the Zoo Gang by Paul Gallico. It’s a really fun read – it’s about a group of French Resistance fighters 25 or so years after the war and the escapades they get up to.

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@ladybert62:
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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@Ms Agatha:
They are indeed a match made in hell! Perhaps he is the male Angelina and she is the female Billy Goat!

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@Ms Agatha:And I just read on imdb that Billy Goat Bob has a penthouse in Paris.

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@ladybert62:
He is a very weird and kinky guy..rough edges …. BP is no match for him…. and BP is trying so hard … no chance …. he will always be the guy from the neck of the woods who followed the dominatrix witch into the dungeon….. forgetting to take his socks off

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@Different Guest:

O La La ……… that is very interesting, indeed….. wasn’t she going to move to Paris ?

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@Different Guest:
@ladybert62:

…. great talking to you….. bedtime for me now…. will catch up with you tomorrow evening again… hope you all will be back here…if not…please leave note where to find you please !

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@Ms Agatha:
Almost makes me think of puppet masters – the two of them Holie-Jolie and Billy Goat doing a puppet show for Hollywood and the world starring Holie-Jolie and hapless – I can see Holie-Jolie and Billy Goat just laughing their asses off behind hapless’ back!

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@Ms Agatha:
Ok – good idea – am signing off now also as Bert and Lady are demanding attention! Talk to you all tomorrow.

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@ladybert62:Good night ladies.

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Kreviazuk criticizes Madonna, Jolie for African adoptions

Progress is developing sustainable societies instead, singer says

By Adrian Chamberlain, Canwest News ServiceJune 23, 2009

Celebrities such as Madonna and Angelina Jolie are making a mistake by adopting African children, says Canadian pop singer Chantal Kreviazuk.

Kreviazuk — who today plays a fundraiser in Victoria for War Child Canada — said she believes Madonna and Jolie are well-intentioned, but the celeb adoption trend is merely a Band-Aid solution to a complex problem.

“It’s traumatic; the [adopted African children] never truly feel they belong. They always wonder where their siblings are,” Kreviazuk said in an interview from Los Angeles.

Unlike typical pop singers who issue shoot-from-the-hip opinions on politics, Kreviazuk is in a position to know what she’s talking about. For a decade she has worked with War Child Canada, an organization providing humanitarian assistance to war-affected children around the world. As well as helping with fundraising, Kreviazuk has visited War Child projects in Asia, Europe and Ethiopia.

Like Madonna and Jolie, she, too, considered adopting after witnessing the plight of orphaned African children. “But then I changed my mind about international adoption,” Kreviazuk said.

Instead, Kreviazuk prefers to support War Child Canada initiatives such as one now providing clothing, food, medical aid and educational assistance for 55 young Ethiopians. In many cases, these children took care of AIDS-stricken parents who have since died. Typically, unskilled teens in such a situation — having missed out on high-school educations — turn to prostitution and criminal activity to survive. War Child Canada enables them to stay at home with their siblings.

“The number one thing children want when they lose their parents is not to be separated,” Kreviazuk said.

Movie star Angelina Jolie has adopted children from Cambodia, Vietnam and Ethiopia. This trio joins her three biological children.

Kreviazuk said the thousands of bucks Jolie blew at the fanciest hotel in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, while on her adoption mission likely rivalled the $200,000 a year it costs to help the 55 young Ethiopians in the War Child Canada program.

“The entire program could have been run by the flight and the nights staying in Ethiopia,” she said.

Rather than plucking tots from Third World cultures and dipping them in western opulence, Kreviazuk said, it’s preferable to build better social systems in these countries. Adopting children from African orphanages sends an unrealistic message to parents unable to keep them: There’s a chance a rich westerner will miraculously save their child. Such antics also divert attention away from African governments, sometimes more intent on retaining their individual wealth and power than in helping the people.

“That’s not progress,” Kreviazuk said. “These people need to become sustainable in their own right.”

http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/Kreviazuk+criticizes+Madonna+Jolie+African+adoptions/1723261/story.html

Pitt and Jolie not helping these kids and society by adopting them. They are hurting them. Jolie has no clue, all done for PR> If she spent the money she paid to travel to these companies and put them towards programs that get the kids off the street, get them medical help, train them, get them aid, then one could say Jolie and Madonna have done something, but they are actually hurting these kids, and empowering the abusive governments. It’s unrealistic, they’re also damaging the kids they adopt.

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Pitt and Jolie are not helping these kids and society by adopting them. They are hurting them. Jolie has no clue, all this is done for PR. If she spent the money she paid to travel to these countries and put them towards programs operating to assist the people in these countries, to help the get the kids off the streets, get them medical help, train them, get them aid, keep families together rather than tear them apart, then one could say Jolie and Madonna have done something, but they are actually hurting these kids, and empowering the abusive governments. It’s unrealistic, they’re also damaging the kids they adopt. These kids will always be looking for, wondering about family left behind. They will feel displaced here; like they don’t belong. All the money lavished on them won’t make them feel supported, give them purpose. This will all backfire against them and their adopted kids may eventually resent them.

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@John:
Have to agree with you. Anderson did the Obama goes to Africa special and part of it covered how some African Americans visit year after year trying to fell a connection, some feel it, some are just too American to feel it, Obama’s words.Imagine how these adopted children will feel growing up. I watched a special about three years ago about black children who are adoptedby white parents. They interviewed the kids at all ages. one young man in college said while he was loved and supported and had a wonderful home he always felt he had missed out . When asked how, his answer was so simple, the food, the type of clothes, the language, the music, it is another culture and I never got to experience that as a black boy, I felt cheated. Then the program went into the other disadvantages and said that at one time agencies had stopped allowing white families to adopt black children, they prefer to place them within their own race. That did not last but the study made some very valid points and these families god though some very tough times .

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@John:

Yep totally agree with you John. I’ve been saying this for quite some time now, it makes me very angry. I actually think these high profile adoptions are more damaging to the country than helpful. Farming kids out to wealthy westerners does not give a nation a future. By having lots of money thrown at it by the west, corrupt governments can afford to do nothing for their people while keeping a sizable chunk of itfor themselves. In fact it is in their interests to keep their country poor to attract foreign aid. This whole adoption baloney makes that concept even more firmly embedded in their consciousness. Why do anything when wealthy westerners can just swoop in and lavish their wealth on families and the wider population. Charity can be counterproductive.

On Brange – was just remembering a post about SR from a way back about them being an “ordered couple” just like Spiedi. Now we all know that Speidi is a totally fake creation for the benefit of making money, both are possibly gay. This made me think about Brange and how they also might be an “ordered couple”, as was the implication of the post. I get the impression that Ange has had some long-term, ongoing relationships that have probably never ended and never will: Holly, her brother, Jenny, JLM maybe, BBT. Where is the room for a husband/life partner in that and a Brady Bunch-style happy family set-up? I don’t think there ever was to be honest. I get the impression that Ange saw Brad as strictly a business arrangement and has had other paramours all along. I don’t think that it was ever this big love affair that the world thought it was. For him maybe, but not for her. I think that post of SR’s was pretty crucial and we neglected it and didn’t really think through the meaning of it at the time. I don’t think Brad was ever more than a trophy for public showbaoting and career advancement to her. Perhaps this was also what was meant by “the greatest deception since Rock Hudson and Doris Day”.

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Agreed, and it has worked for her too…….at least for some years….. she is so much wealthier now than before she met him…. and I think, she is the one keeping her money together. Do you remember her complaining how B is spending his money and on what…..She gathers and he spends and buys ….

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
I think he meant the ordered coupled was in the last two years , stay together as a Brand. IAN contradicts that at times though with her trying to commit suicide , begging him to stay etc.

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Hey keane and Kate!

What exactly makes you think that SR is the epidome of truth and that every one of his colourful rants is backed up by hard facts? I find it hilarious how you treat his “poems” like the most respected scientific study out there!

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Hm seems like the twins have Jen`s thin lips doesn`t it? Could that be the biggest deception since Rock Hudson? Oh myyy Goood!

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Looks like some people are rather disappointed with Ian`s new book:

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High on sensationalism, low on facts, July 18, 2009
By Ronald Sehaefer “Ron” (Chicago, IL) – See all my reviews
Having followed Ian’s other explosive celebrity scoops and books over the past several years I sort of knew what to expect with this one. Ian is the one who exclusively revealed on his blog that Angelina Jolie has sex daily with men, women, dogs, plants, and suggestively even her own children. He claims that Brad Pitt impregnated a mysterious Sudanese model who then traveled to Cannes this year to confront him, but then never said another word about it. He claimed multiple times that David Carradine was murdered, when in fact the forensic experts confirmed that Carradine died of accidental erotic asphyxiation. One of his biggest things is to “out” celebrities and in his mind most all of Hollywood is gay. Unfortunately, none of Ian’s exclusives have ever been substantiated by any factual evidence, and most read more like fabricated tales than concrete accounts.

Late last year Ian first alleged (as he does in his book) that Michael Jackson was suffering from a potpourri of deadly diseases including but not limited to Alpha-1 Antitrypsin Deficiency, chronic gastrointestinal bleeding, severe emphysema, 95% blind in his left eye, near mute, lung and liver diseases and in dire need of a transplant, serious back and leg pain, virtually bedridden and unable to get out, amongst other outlandish illnesses which seemed to grow each week. After these claims were roundly denied by Michael Jackson, Ian aggressively promised to bring out medical records and evidence to support these claims, he never did so but instead challenged Michael to take a medical exam to prove he didn’t have such illnesses. In fact, a mandatory five hour medical exam was conducted several months ago as required by the insurance carriers of the concert series in London (which Ian never mentioned until the day Michael made the announcement himself). The certified doctors responsible for this 50-point exam, including one from New York, confirmed that other than a slight hay fever (cold) he was in great health and the only other illnesses he had was his well known skin condition Vitiligo and Lupus. After Michael Jackson passed away, forensic experts and those conducting the autopsy again made note that he did NOT die due to natural causes or lingering illnesses and that we’d have to wait for a toxicology report. It is suspected that a single anesthetic was administered by an inexperienced doctor which led to his shocking death, not all of the reasons Ian has proclaimed.

This book makes heavy, heavy use of anonymous sources Ian describes as “close friends” of Michael Jackson. Ian also has a reputation of using names of sources that simply do not exist or have no legitimate association with the celebrity he is describing–such as calling “Dean Smith” a close friend of Michael Jackson despite no such person ever existing in his life; not once did any media outlet mention such a name in connection to Michael Jackson over the course of forty years. To substantiate some of Ian’s health claims in the past, he cited an old and obsolete gossip column from Fox News while portraying it as a brand new quote for his own story. He also uses other gossipers like Perez Hilton to confirm his stories, most such claims we’ve long heard in tabloids for years and years.

Ian regurgitates the widespread rumors of Michael’s children, plastic surgery, and sexuality. He claims that Michael Jackson is gay (despite much evidence indicating otherwise including all the heterosexual material found at Neverland in 2003). Ian insists that he has seen photographs of Michael dressed all up in drag with gay men at nightclubs but then says that Michael wasn’t even recognizable at all… He also does not show any such pictures to us, or to the media. Ian allegedly went undercover as a gay hairdresser to meet Michael Jackson, but does not give a timeline or exact location; for the record Karen Faye had long been Michael Jackson’s sole makeup artist and stylist even after he passed away.

Ian claims that Michael Jackson wanted to die and that he couldn’t hardly walk let alone dance or sing (on Ian’s site he claimed Michael couldn’t even wipe his own butt). Pictures and videos of Michael Jackson’s final rehearsals at the Staples Center in Los Angeles were released by AEG officials. They recorded more than 100 hours of HD video of Michael singing and dancing night after night, including just hours before he passed away. It is expected that they will be releasing this material on DVD, in theaters, or as a Pay-Per-View event in the future. I want everyone to take a look at those pictures, and at the video of Michael dancing and singing, and then remember that Ian proclaimed he was bedridden and “could no longer sing, for a start. On some days he could barely talk. He could no longer dance.” According to concert promoters, Michael sang live much of the time during rehearsals and sounded better than ever even though he was told to preserve his voice for the real concerts, this too will come out when more video gets released.

The bottom line is that none of the salacious speculations in Ian’s book, especially about Michael’s alleged illnesses or sexuality, are backed up by factual evidence or supporting documents. Ian claims to have seen Michael’s medical records, but fails to show them to us and his claims contradict that of forensic experts and doctors. He claims to have seen confidential documents, pictures, and spoken to unknown or anonymous close friends but again none of this can be substantiated. Ultimately we get yet another unauthorized book containing nothing but speculation at a point when Michael Jackson himself can’t even defend against such accusations.

For those who believe that Ian set out to create an unbiased book about him, you need to review his blog and the things he previously wrote about Michael until the time that he passed away. Just weeks beforehand he claimed that his book will “shock you as to how sick a human being can actually be. How screwed up, how ****ed up, a man–if you call Michael Jackson a man–can be.” He referred to Michael Jackson as “Wacko Jacko” and wrote even more grotesque things on his blog about him. The original title of his book was in fact “Peter Pan or Pervert” and had a much more pessimistic description put out by the original publishers. Would not recommend this, nor would I recommend any subsequent unauthorized products coming out on the heels of Michael’s death.

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@John:
excellent article – great find John – thanks for sharing that. I agree with everything she says and especially the part that the amount of money Holie-Jolie spent on airfare and lavish hotels could have funded such wonderful aid programs for a year! Excellent point.

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@John:
BINGO – John gets today’s GOLD STAR!

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@mia:
Hi Mia – thanks for sharing. Interesting article.

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@Kate:
Kate, not all children that are adopted of a differant race than the parents feel displaced. i adopted overseas and my daughter is well adjusted and happy. Her mother dropped her off at the orphanage soon after her birth for reasons listed as she is very poor and wishes to have her child adopted so that she will be well taken care of. There was no information on my daughters biological father. People that haven’t gone through the adoption process can be very ignorant on the process. i often get asked why didn’t i adopt a baby from my own country. Well, after much reseach including consulting an adoption attorney in the US we felt more comfortable with going overseas. The laws in the US are designed to protect the biological parents. Meaning, in the end if a mother changed her mind we would just have to walk away. Even if we paid for all of her housing, medical care, clothes ect. all through her pregnancy. There is no law saying we could recoup any expense. Also, there have been “mothers” who have come back after the adoption was finalized saying they have changed their minds. Can you imagine bonding with a baby only having to hand it back. I spoke with several people who had adopted in the US, some were successful and some had horror stories of the whole thing falling apart in the end. One biological mother asked for a car so she could get around, allowance for clothing, rent, food, medical expenses, the list of things she “needed” just kept growing. In my case we spent allot of money trying to conceive and i was devasted everything failed. the thought of someone changing their mind or fear someone may come back someday was just something i wasn’t willing to let happen. just because you birth a baby doesn’t make you a mother. Children need to be loved protected and cherished, sorry i’ll disagree with anyone who tries to say mixing colors (races) doesn’t work. if you are intune with your childs needs there are resources out there to help you help them adjust or work through any issues. My daughter and i are incredibly close she doesn’t see me as her “white” mother and i don’t look at her as my “asian” daughter. We are simply mother and daughter.

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interesting we just had a discussion on tv of young people talking about adoption of african children by different races and some of them feel that you lose you culture and language and had very strong feelings about it, that parents of these adopted kids should see that they spend time with people of their culture and learn their birth tongue.
i think any child taken out of africa is loosing a beautiful childhood by not being among his own people and friends. if a white south african or a person that is willing to live in the country of the childs birth adopts and make sure the child has the best of both worlds it is better than living with these rich selfcentered hollywood stars. my aunt adopted two children and the boy resented them when he found out that his bio parents were still alive and the daughter never even attented her adopted mothers funeral. my aunt was a soft and kind person and put these kids before herself and husband so they had no reason to act this way. i believe that madonna and jolie should have helped the extended family keep these kids and that they set up a trust for children in these circumstances instead of carting them of to a unhealthy and unstable globe trotting life. jmo the guy that she was supposed to be stalking was timothy hutton the james bond actor, i think she also had a thing for that actor thats wife just pasted away as he is a real actor and man 10000x better than the hapless peewee manny. and please do not wish this moron on jen she deserves better. jmo. sorry for the spelling but it is my day of rest . hi mia back again i pray for you every night.

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@John:
Really, and this singer has how many degrees in psychology? So she is an expert on adopting because she is a fundraiser for an organization. So she knows how all of these african children feel. Give me a break.
It is rasist to say that all children should only be with their “own kind”. Does she also feel that gays shouldn’t adopt because they are differant as well. Predjudice pure and simple. i wish these people would get off of there soap boxes and stop talking out of their asses. This issue gets me fired up, read my response earlier to kate. A child in need is a child in need. Love isn’t one color and it doesn’t discriminate.

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@jan/sa:
i have several friends that were adopted as a child. NONE of them have ever wanted to find their “real” mothers. Not every adopted child feels they missed out. Seriously stop generalizing. News flash to you, not every child in Africa has a “beautiful childhood”. Are you joking. Do you honestly feel poverty and sickness is beautiful. It is the most selfless, brave thing for a parent to give up their child so that he or she can have a better life. What do you think about mothers in Spain, France, Mexico giving up their children for adoption? Do you think those children will be loosing “their beautiful childhood’ and native tongue if they are adopted by western couple or a couple from the UK? or are you only talking about children with dark skin? Is that the only situation that color matters??????????????????????????????

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@ladybert62:
ladybert / ladyhawke – You said you changed your avatar right? It didn’t take. I still see the other one which is wonderful too. I feel a few degrees cooler whenever I look at it.
It make no difference to me, but just wanted to you know that if you’re see it, I’m not.

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@TobyKat:
Hi Toby!! I know where you’re coming from and as a mother to an adopted daughter you know what you’re talking about. Only thing is, you and your husband adopted ONE child after careful consideration and much soul searching. You wanted this child with pure motives in your hearts, you have given her your love and care as if she was your own biological child, she is your daughter no doubt about it. In the case of AJ however, her motives are not pure in my opinion. Her adoptions seem to be about promoting the Brand, they have had too many children too close together. They work all over the world and have not provided a stable enviornment with school and friends so that each child could develop real interests and individual relationships. They leave the care to the Nannies and use the children to promote their own agenda and photo ops. So while you adopted your beautiful asian daughter with pure intentions they have not done the same IMO. It seems your intention was just to adopt a baby that you could love. You didn’t set out to adopt one child from every third world country in order to prove how evolved you are. If Brange really cared about the “rainbow children” of the world, they might have taken steps to improve their homeland so their lives could be better without having to uproot them. I think that is the problem with some celebrity adoptions and especially the Brange adoptions. God Bless You Toby!! xoxoxo

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@Tamara:
Thank you Tamara. I wasn’t defending AJ and BP at all. I was challeging certain posters on the ridiculous “generalizing” that they were doing. i found it extemely offensive and simple minded.
God bless you and your precious child as well!

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@TobyKat:I have the degrees and have worked in social services – other posters are correct that crosscultural adoptions are not always successful – especially when they involve children of African descent. Like it or not this country is stratified along the lines of race – the pecking order is Whites, Asians, Hispanics, African Americans. Social acceptance of a cross cultural adoption also depends on where you live. With the rise of intermarriage attitudes are changing but very slowly. Just an observation from many years on college campuses, children who were mixed race or cross cultural adoptions gravitated towards the student organizations that represented their minority race. On campus they felt more comfortable with people who looked like them.

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OT – FF is STILL going on about the Kate/Caribsmom mix up and they insist Kate and Tamara are the SAME! LOL I posted there for the first time this morning, because I did a search for my name and that is what I found LOL I left a post to Guest and SZ saying I am not Kate and now I hope they will believe me. At least they had nice things to say about “Tamara” with the exception of one post I made that disapointed them so I wasn’t too put out. They are also discussing the “gull-dang” and have doubts about the Validity of LadyBert! hahahaha The jury is still out on Lady LOL Don’t worry LadyBert/Hawk we LOOOOOOOOVE you!! PS I second Vittorio that your avatar hasn’t changed.

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@Different Guest:
“Not Always Successful” So how about the ones that were successful?????? So are you saying there should be no interracial adoptions because not all were “successful”. The posters were correct, some were not successful but STOP GENERALIZING PEOPLE. Not all interracial adoptions are problematic. Maybe the reason this country is still racially divided is because there are still people out there who believe there is a “pecking” order. Ever think about that? So to continue to perpetuate that children belong in their own race keeps this “pecking” order alive and thriving. Sad, sad, sad. I won’t ever let other peoples bigotry be a factor in the decisions for me and my family. To do so would only let predjudice and hatred thrive and exist.

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From Guest posted on Female First, she sure brings up a lot of names of people that I really miss too!!

I got to thinking about some of the regulars (most now formers) at IUC that I enjoyed reading their comments, whether it be their wit, humor, intelligence or compassion.

Mama San
McDooks
Kramer vs Kramer
Angie’s Fax Machine
Togi
Tamara
Section 9
Constant Gardener
Kate

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@Tamara:
Hey Tamara,
Sadly ian’s lack of information have left some posters feeling high and dry. Some of the info that Ian said would be coming never came and he lost some posters feeling it was all a publicity stunt for his upcoming books. I know that is the big reason why CG is no longer around. Lack of credibility. i too miss the humour of allot of the previous posters!

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@TobyKat:It is a very difficult question without a simple answer. Whose needs are prioritized the children who don’t make it or the children who do? What do you do because at the outset you don’t know which way a child will go? All we know at this point is that it does seem to be most difficult for children of African descent to be adopted out of their race.

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@Vittoria:
Interesting – I will have to check – so you see the water and not the ladyhawk? Thanks for letting me know.

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@TobyKat:
I knoooowww!! Did you see some of those names, I miss some of them ALOT! And yes, I don’t come to IUC for the stories anymore, I come here to talk to my forum buddies. I really miss Constant Gardener I think losing him/her?? was a blow to this site dont you? I still think we should start some other forum in case we come here one day and the site is shut down. Sorry Kate! I know you don’t like this kind of talk, but GEEZ!! Ian has time to post about the family feuding but he can’t take the time to give us a real message? And now we had to go back three posts ago in order to find a shorter thread. That is just WRONG! hahaha

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Constant Gardener and Patty Anne are friends in real life. PA had surgery a couple weeks ago, so Im hoping she comes back and maybe CG is waiting for her to come back??? OR neither are coming back. That really is too bad.

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@Different Guest:
Every child deserves a chance at a better life, free from disease and hunger if possible. Good out weighs evil. Prosperity out weighs despair in my book. I am done with this subject. i am off to the park with my daughter to enjoy this beautiful day.
“Until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned; until the colour of a man’s skin is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes, the dream of lasting peace, world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained.” – Emperor Haile Selassie I

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@Tamara:

Aw bkess him, I genuinely feel bad for them, they are one of the biggest groups of morons I have ever encountered! I genuinely didn’t realise there were people this stupid in the world but there you go! Kate and I regularly have a good laugh at them. I don’t read it but she often mentions their latest crackpot theory. Apparently at one point they were convinced that Kate was from Aniston’s camp and was working on behalf of her – too funny! I believe that was the brainchild of SZ in fact. Sheesh for a woman who has had such a long illustrious career in the media she sure says dumb things! Apparently they are now all obsessed with my depilatory habits! I am actually very pleased about this as I always like to promote the adoption of the Brazilian wax – I think they make the world a better place! And God knows these women sound like they could do with some beautification!

Anyhoo, as for the list of people who have not posted in ages, well Kate and Togi are still here. I miss Section too as he (I assume he is a he) was one of the reasons I first found this blog interesting (his posts about Angelina’s political aspirations in fact). I’m hoping others like CG might come back if and when Ian actually posts some more stories. We can but hope!

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@Tamara:
CG doesn’t know Patty Anne personally. She met her on this site. I have been friends with CG for a few years now. She has lost interest in this site for the reasons i gave in my earlier post. i do believe she will be back, at least i hope so. i miss her conspiracy theories!!!!!!!!!

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@TobyKat:I agree. However a life free of disease and hunger may for some children be better accomplished in an orphanage than in a chaotic household. Just something to think about and I’m not being judgmental – are you buying into the generalization that adoption is always the best thing for a child?

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@Vittoria:
HI Vittoria – which one do you see now?

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@Tamara:
Gull Dang it! who do they think I am? Someone famous? Someone rich? Someone political? And Why do they think I am not me!

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@ladybert62:
LOL Nope, still bert no hawk. I don’t know, but I think it’s a cross between Keane being you and Ms Agatha, I also heard HKG = Keane and Kate = Tamara so we know they’ve got it all wrong. Oh well. There are some old IUC posters there so they kind of know us. They know you are from SF, Keane is from UK, Me from Arkansas/Florida, Patty Anne from Indiana, Canuck used to represent Canada when she still posted here. And there’s lots of talk about John and his knowledgeable posts and curious as to why no one has shot him down yet, cos you know, we are all sooooo vicious here, but Keane is the absolute Queen of all Things Vicious and Kate is really Ian, Sugar and Miss 9, or depending on who is speaking she is, if not Ian, the moderator of the site. Phew!! The jury is still out on you though, apparently you have breezed right through the 60’s revolution because you use gull dang. they are still trying to figure the meaning behind our use of that particular slang! hahahahahaha

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@Tamara:

Kate and I are pretty sure it’s either a legal problem or something about his books being embargoed. Kate says Ian will respond to her e-mails about other things but never Brange any more. I would guess he is under strict orders not to say any more about them until the book comes out. When I heard Ian had an article in The Mail about his book on MJ I guessed that he had probably made a deal with them for an article/serialisation of his book on Brange too. Conditions of that would have been not to talk about it any more until the article is published. That would be my guess anyway. I can’t see Ian giving away the scoop on MJ to a publication without securing promotion for the next one too. He has been giving us all these stories for free up until now after all. The guy’s got to eat!

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@Tamara:
I did breeze through the 60’s because basically I am a midwestern with strong moral values and did not do drugs etc like many others out here did. I always had to have a job and it was difficult to have a strong work ethic and be a hippie – so I chose strong work ethic. Plus, the reason I came out her had nothing to do with the social revolution and everything to do with a mixed up husband. I stayed out here because of the weather which is ideal for me and is vastly different from wisconsin where I was raised. I am educated with degrees and also self educated in many areas and have worked in many different areas – but then that is what happens when you become an old fart like me. If they have questions, they should have the strength of character to come here and ask me and I will gladly clear up any confusion. Cant figure out why the avatar hasnt changed on your end – guess more work on my end is needed. Peace to all.

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@ladybert62:
Hi. I see the same magnificent water shot

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Oh yea, I understand all that, but Brange isn’t the only celebrity he has posted stories on, there are plenty of celebs to discuss but like I said NOTHING!! And I also understand that he is in the middle of a media blitz, but he took time out of that blitz to tell us the family was feuding. What I was asking for was for Ian to post from him to us telling us SOMETHING! If for no other reason then to give us a new thread to talk on LOL LOL I know he can’t deny or confirm any of the Brange stories that he left us hanging with, but, what about the Katie Holmes divorcing TC story? He dangles tid bits and then never comes back. JMO. Now, back to our regularly scheduled program hahaha.

BTW – I heard a new acronym that I think is a good one: SAMCC = sitting at my computer chuckling. Makes more sense ‘then ROTFL – how many of you actually roll around the floor laughing? haha

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@Tamara:

Aw, you’ve got to love them they are so adorably stupid! Kate and I were going to try to wind them up by implying all kinds of crazy theories about who we are and what is going on here, but the beauty of it is, there really is no need, they come up with it all on their own accord! Apparently when Kate and I decided to privately e-mail each other this sent the conspiracy theories into overdrive. Apparently they were really perplexed that we were doing so as they thought we were either each other, Ian or some sort of plant so were already in contact with each other or were each other (?!). Then because I disagreed with something Ian had posted they came to the conclusion that I was in fact not Ian, but then came to the conclusion that not only was Kate from Jen’s camp, but she was privy to everything that went on the blog(?!). I genuinely have no idea what they thought this could be – some kind of system of secret code maybe(?) – but I think they thought Kate wanted to get in touch with me to impart the top secret info to me!!! I would just like to categorically state here and now that Kate has never done this, if there is some sort of top secret info then she has not yet told me! I actually feel quite responsible to them! I feel we provide them with a reason to get up in the morning, what would they do if we weren’t here I wonder?! I don’t think in my wildest dreams I ever thought that a group of people would fanatically debate a gossip blog and its regular posters on a gossip blog for months on end. Seriously, is that as good as life gets for them? It’s so funny. I very much hope they keep it up!

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@ladybert62:
Oh I know Lady!! I think you are a strong force on this forum and now you are being targeted for discussion on other sites. So now you are a legend on the internet, – imagine that, I bet you never thought to hear those words about yourself! SAMCC

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@TobyKat:
did you read my post correctly i never said that race of the adopted parents matter i just said to uproot a child from his home country like they did to be a globe trotting orphan is wrong and that all children should get a chance of being able to partake in their culture. there are a lot of interacial adoptions in south africa and i have friends from all races. in my opinion if those stars had helped the childrens family keep them and set up a trust they would have been better off. you have no children and i applaud you for adopting but i still feel that a child should be taught and have the chance to mix with their culture .
i hate it when people always bring in the racist card and accuse others of this. and there is hunger and filth all over the world not just in poor countries, i have heard of the homeless and the poor in the great usa and of people dying on the streets in the winter as well as the high rate of orphans so it makes me angry that people always point a finger at the third world countries as if these people are uneducated and are not trying to help themselves and they choose this life style.
these stars could have helped 1000 of orphans and not just one or two if they had used the money they spend on one child because it does not take much to help a poor family get educated and look after these kids. they have bio kids and are not giving these kids a stable home or a chance to make friends like a normal family so yes they piss me off because they took these kids out of their culture with values and away from elders that would have taught them about life. and i never ever said there where no sucsessful adoptions i just brought up my aunts story as an example of what does happen quite often and nowhere did i generalize that it is the norm. so please read a post in the way it was meant and donot bring in the race card it is a low comment to make where there is no racist remarks made, and to even think one race is superior to another is a sin in gods eyes and was never mentioned in my post or any others i have read so far. jmo

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@Tamara:
You do speak the truth. That is not an indictment of the man, just the truth. The site was locking up so badly last night. Even after we came to this thread. It wasn’t doing it on other sites that I would go to while this one was grinding on. That is probably just a maintenance issue and it’s not wrong to say that it is a pain in the ass and simply ask the question as to whether there is a forward trajectory or not.
The blog buddies are the best though and that is why we’re here clearly……..it’s not for the news. RIP Walter Cronkite.

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
OMG, I know!! And that lent credence to the fact that Kate=Caribsmom, because I suggested a way for you to chat privately! SAMCC So I was actually Kate as Caribsmom telling you how to chat with me Phew! Talk about consipiracies hahaha

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@ladybert62:

“Gull dang” is our secret code/password. It means the Holy ones are present amongst us. We use this code word when one of us becomes aware of their presence so as to inform/warn the others. I know this because Kate told me this during our private e-mailing session. Admittedly it is slightly more complex than that, there are different meanings to “gull” and “dang” and various other meanings can be imparted in relation to the context we use it, the tone in which we say it, and the punctuation near or around it. Only those who are privy to everything that goes on in the blog know the exact meanings though, and that includes you LadyB. Don’t feign ignorance now. Later we will have another ceremony where we will stand in a circle chanting voodoo prayers to Brange, dressed in multi-coloured gowns to represent themulti-ethnicities of the Brangelina tribe, standing on one foot with one eye shut and the other wide open. (Prayers are only communicated to them by means of one eye so we keep the other one closed to increase its vision). The ceremony ends with a mutual yodel and a feverish recitation of the script from Mr and Mrs Smith. Next one scheduled for tomorrow 8pm UK time. Be there or be a deranged FF conspiracy theorist!

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@ladybert62:
I just googled LadyBert62 and you wouldn’t believe the amount of links that popped up!!! haha You really are a legend in your own time. Rock on Ms. Hawk

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@Tamara:
Thanks Tamara – and here I thought I was just a legend in my own mind! Oh well, maybe I will have to charge my husband admission to the house when he returns from oregon as he will be entering the abode of a “Legend.” Maybe I should start printing out my comments here and publicize them for posterity! Gull dang it! (and yes they do say that as well as many other strange phrases in the midwest – “like it or not” (as our mayor Gavin Newsom has become famous for saying!) ha ha – well on with life! Peace to all the female first former IAN posters.

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@Tamara:
oh oh – I guess I will do that and see what happens – I might not be back if I suddently have a heart attack!

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
hahaha!! Oh, that reminds me!! I read somewhere, can’t remember where now, that they are doing a sequel to MAMMS!! THAT might be the reason they are keeping the Brand alive, not because of the IB or Salt premieres. Hmmmmm…

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@Tamara:
MAMS that is

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@ladybert62:
did you go to gravatar.com to change it?

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@Tamara:
Wow cool! You’re Ladyhawke – hawk by day and woman of the forest by night~~!! Positively famous. Good for you!

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Here’s a link to the MAMS rumor:

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200907191551.htm

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@Vittoria:
Ms Hawk is too busy googling herself and trying to prevent herself from fainting hahahaha!!

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@Tamara:
Hey I am a winning Quarter Horse in Kentucky! Yippee – I told you I needed more money for the well and sewer in Oregon and now I have a way to get it! I will just enter myself in the local racetracks and then show up a week or so later and demand my winnings! Quarterhorses are my favorite horses (next to the shaggy ponies of Scotland and Wales) so I feel I have been complimented! Go LadyBert! (She is the female product of Bert and Pretty Lady – gosh things my parents never told me!) ha ha

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
I wish I could be there but I have a race scheduled (see my last post for clarification)! and yes many in my area were yodelers but alas and alack – not I – I could never reach those high notes being a natural alto! Ha ha

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@ladybert62:
SAMCC See, I told you you were famous

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@Vittoria:
Yes I did – they said it takes some time for the change to show up – so am back to trying to exercise that virtue that I do not have – patience! Do you see the new one?

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@ladybert62:
Did you search exactly ladybert62??

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
That’s really good. I love the yodel finish. Nice touch!

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@Tamara:
Hi Tamara – I read the article – what would be funny (to me at least) would be if they make a sequel and it reflects their breakdown/breakup to contrast with the original one which reflected their getting together! I would laugh at that! (Yes, FF former IAN posters, I have a sick sense of humor – just ask my husband as he shares it and appreciates it while not many others share it.)

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@Tamara:
Yes – why? Did I miss something? I got caught up in reading of my quarterhorse history so didnt check out others too closely – I was too excited about my good news/luck! Is there something else lurking out there that I should be aware of – I am busy dusting off some shelves to put my new trophies on!

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@ladybert62:
The thing that stands out to me the most is that they say they want to incorporate the kids into the movie! God No!! Haven’t they exploited them enough already!! Geez….

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@Tamara:
Yea I saw that and thought – well that is typical isnt it? I dont like it but then I dont like them and I am not surprised about anything they do – so they want the sequel to rekindle their romance do they? Well, that is highly unlikely as I think the picture took a secondary role to their romance and if they think working on a movie is going to rekindle it, well I think they should try talking to each other about their problems first!

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@Tamara:
WHat is SAMCC?

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@Vittoria:
I agree – its the conversation between posters that is fun and if we can intertwine it with items from Ian or Sugar Ray – all the better for entertainment!

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@ladybert62:
and we are so much nicer! We dont backstab each other (especially in their absence). We talk to each other with respect and humor and ask for others opinions. When the evil meanies come on and give us a hard time, we occasionally get irritated and snap back at them but in general, I think we have a respectful attitude towards each other – I like that.

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@Tamara:

I think it’s actually the other way round. They are keeping the brand alive by fueling rumours of a sequel to MAMS. I can’t see the two of them working together now, they could barely cope with showing up to a premiere together, I think acting in a film, however big the fee, is totally out of the question!

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@Tamara:

The funniest thing is that they think that by putting some of the things they know about us from what we’ve said on the board into google, they can come up with our identity! Because obviously all of the billions of people on the earth have enough written about each and every one of them on the net that they can be discovered by the use of a search engine! That’s what I mean about the level of stupidity, they genuinely think this is possible. I would bet my life that they’ve done it with everyone. With LadyB they have probably googled “Lady”, “Bert”, “gull dang” and “midwest” and thought they would come up with something! With me they did “Oxford”, “dancing” and “acting” and came up with some actress chick and then came to the conclusion on that basis that I have stolen her identity and they should write to her to warn her! I loved that one so much. That really was one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard, they’re as bad as the loons! I wonder whether they ever wrote to her and are still fond of that theory? I really hope they did. If they haven’t I hope they do because it would be hilarious to see how she responds. Hopefully they will report back and Kate can inform me. I actually think they are another element that makes the site fun. Not only do we have to try to uncover mysteries, we have a bunch of loonies trying to decode imagined mysteries about us trying to decode mysteries. It’s very The Name of the Rose!

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@ladybert62:
and just to clear up another item of confusion on FF about me – yes I do indeedy have arthritis – hands, feet and back. I take Celebrex every day to help with the pain and I also take some over the counter things as well as homeopathic remedies for it – I wear a hand brace at work and I wrap each finger in physical therapy bandages so I can type better – arthritis is very painful and the joints get swollen, large and painful – I have many fingers I cannot bend at all. I cannot hold hardback books for any length of time without severe pain in my hands thus I use the Kindle which is much lighter and easier. Yes, I spend long hours at the keyboard typing at work and for pleasure at this site. That is not a contradiction. The typing does cause me pain every day even with the aforementioned aids but I have to work and I type at home for conversation for pleasure. Typing though painful is not impossible since I can use different fingers than the ones that are greatly hurting on that particular day. Hope this clarifies the confusion expressed at FF about my arthritis and my reading, working and typing. If you have any other doubts about what I say, just ask me. Peace to former IAN posters at FF commenting on ladybert62’s contraditions!

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Good one Keane! It never even occured to me to try and figure out someone’s identity from a cyber name or any of the personal info given. When I talk to each cyber person, I occasionally wonder what they look like but that is the extent of my curiousity.

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@TobyKat:
I agree, my cousin has three beautiful little asian daughters, they live in Hawaii. Not the same thing though at all. They covered all of this on the show to. It is very different for African American children being raised by white parents. I had a friend who adopted a son , AA when her child died, I will not even go into how the years went. They were just too white. Tha may sound racial, but if you knew this couple you would understand what I meant, that had no clue how to raise a son from another ethnic background. none , but they love him with their souls. Still, by 18 he wanted to find his ” own” ..his words. My cousins kids are in a enviroment that her children identify with, so it works well for her, Asians have a much easier time of it for a multitude of reasons.

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@Tamara:
Whoa! I saw that.

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@Kate:
HI Kate (hope your mom is better): and I think the surrounding culture providing “support” to this type of family is very important. If the society in which that family resides, is used to “seeing” these blended types of families, then the children will not be constantly aware of their “differences” from the parents. If the children are constantly reminded of the physical differences between them, they grow up with issues regarding their identify. The family is of course the primary source of a child’s identity but the society/culture in which they live does play an important part (which can often be overlooked by the parents). Hawaii is a wonderful blend of many cultures and thus would be much easier for Causacians to raise Asian looking children than say, Wisconsin. When I grew up there, I had never seen an Asian; had never eaten any Asian food or had any contact with Asian cultures. Thus, if a Causacian parent had tried to raise Asian looking children there (at the point of time when I was growing up), it would have been difficult because of their uniqueness in that society.

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@Vittoria:
What did you see that I didnt? Please tell me as you are scaring me.

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@Vittoria:
Are you talking about the Kindle review I did with the big typo in the word Arthritis?

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@ladybert62:
It’s none of my concern. Let’s just say that my parental controls are not where they need to be.

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@ladybert62:
Sitting at my computer chuckling – it’s so much better then ROTFL don’t you think? haha

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@Vittoria:
I am lost Vittoria – I dont understand what we are talking about! Please clarify – what did I do?

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@Tamara:
I like that! SAMCC! Thanks for explaining.

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Yes and they’ve decided that because Kate and Caribsmom are the same people and now that they’ve discovered the truth the gig is up and Kate has abandoned the alter ego Caribsmom and that’s why Caribsmom has quit posting on IUC. LOL I tried to explain that Caribsmom is Tamara and I am still very much posting haha In other words Tamara is Carib’s Mom (my little chocolate lab) and is NOT Kate LOL

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@Vittoria:
What? Am I an exotic dancer somewhere? A hooker? A Politician? What?

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@Tamara:
The truth is its simplicity can be so refreshing and explain so much – but it kills their conspiracy theory so they reject it! SAMCC

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@Different Guest:
Exactly, that is so true. I have personal experience with that as well, I am not going to share it though because everything I say gets viewed with a jaded heart from all those who left here, who were once our friends, who once took part heartily in all of our converations as friends and who I have seen them say some very insulting things about many of us here. I think it is best if everyone refrains from putting any personal info on the board lest you be ripped apart over at FF. Somehow a few seem to think they have the right to judge other posters. While we may and they may judge famous people who are pulling down a cool 20 mil a picture and famewhoring themselves out, that is not the same as discussing private people on other boards. I have to wonder how bored, obsessed, or vindictive one has to be to do that. We are constantly laughed at as being sitting on the edge of our seats with baited breath waiting for IAN to throw us a crumb (all the while he is on a book tour, how dumb is that?) and yet there are several theads going over there begging, literally beggin insiders to come back. I don’t understand how they fail to see the irony of that. There is thread after thread of foul and dirty things about the kids, conspirarcy rages, fine, freedom reigns, as it should. I like the the ladies as the FF board. I read there all the time. I posted there 3 times and got a virus on my comptuter. That was only to try to make peace with the ones who left but to no avail , made it worse actually. That is too bad, because I know we like them alot, I did, but after reading what many have said about us since then I was disheartened at the mob mentality that took place. I was shocked that some of the nicest sweetest posters acted so sarcastic, and nide about this site, IAN, and us. It was truly eyeopening. I tend to be a very forgiving person, so I chalk this up to a bad experience they feel they had here.

@mia glad you decided to stick around, no we do not take it as gospel, just use it as a bit of a guideline to what souces may have told him realizing they may of course be lying.

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@ladybert62:
Okay…..lots of naked bits all over the screen and something about swingers. Can’t tell you more as I clicked right back out. I didn’t think my computer would go to that sort of place. Not judging. Just saying I need to work on that with a young teen in the home.

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I’m going down to my pool ladies, and Keane before you get jealous, I spent an hour vacuuming and then skimming the water, and oh yea, getting the PH and alkaline balance just right, so its not ALL fun and games in sun! LOL TT you all later!! xoxoxoxoxoxo Caribsmom (tee-hee)

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@ladybert62:
The typo was caused by arthritis – I cant bend all my fingers and when I am thinking hard and typing, then typos can occur and can get by me to my embarrassment on the Kindle review with the misspelled word in the headline! Oh well such things in life help to keep me humble!

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@Vittoria:
Dang, this came up when ladybert62 was typed into what? Google, yahoo? Gosh will have to check further but nothing like that came up for me …. yikes.

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@ladybert62:

Please don’t tell me they were discussing your medical conditions???!!!! What purpose would that serve? What do they think you would be achieving here by pretending to have arthritis? That people would feel sorry for you so trust what you say more or something???!!! Especially as you have always claimed to be such an insider and all!!! This is amazing. I can’t believe they discuss each and everyone of us and think we are all double agents! LOVE IT!

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@ladybert62:
Okay, put it in just like Tamara did and you only have to go as far the 2nd google page (I think) to see it.
Sorry if I freaked you out, but I’m in and out and getting ready to go lay down again. I have rheumatoid arthritis pretty bad too (Spondylitis in the spine) and it is giving a very difficult time lately.

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@ladybert62:
Maybe its the people with the horse.

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
LOL so true, never seen anything like it, they watch every move here. so funny I read FF for the forum not them, I only read that thread if it is at the top, I never look for it. SAMCC.:)

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@jan/sa:
So just because there are people out there who have allot of money they shouldn’t adopt. They should just “sponsor” families? Helloooooo, allot of these kids don’t have families that is why they are in an orphanage. Stop talking about celebrities, I’m talking about the real world. i don’t play the race card sweetheart and you don’t know a damn thing about me. If there were enough “white” south africans that wanted to adopt these black african children the orphanages wouldn’t be overflowing with kids. That is why allot of these countries opened up foreign adoptions. There simply wasn’t enough families within the country to care for all of the orphans. In Russia and Korea and China a child has to be, I believe 10 months to 1 year of age to be able to be adopted outside the country. That is because they want the child to have an opportunity to be adopted within his/her own culture. i do not know the laws in ethiopia or Africa. You should read up on it so you are better informed.

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Seems they thought I was lying about the arthritis since I type here – strange to me – just shows me that they dont know anything about arthritis! So if they read my post, they will be enlightened!

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@Kate:

Or the irony of them endlessly discussing us, non-famous people, hanging on our every word and popping over now and again to make little comments like 5 year olds in the playground? Embarrassing! It’s hard for me to imagine what these people’s lives are like that this is something they find of interest? It kind of gives new meaning to the words “empty existence” in my view. I don’t know, you cant generalize but it seems to me like a lot of people who don’t have many friends in life and are desperately seeking comradeship and friendship on the net to make up for it. It certainly sounded like people like SZ lived a very isolated, empty life. I guess this gives them a feeling of acceptance. They must have felt rejected here and sought succour with each other elsewhere. Classic behaviour of the outsider I guess. Like I said, I do feel sorry for them, they don’t bother me at all. I just wish they had more in their lives and higher self-esteem. BTW who are these people that upset you so? I just can’t really think of anyone I liked or cared about enough to care what they think about anything. Canuck maybe, no-one else. Who are these mystery defectors? (Just shows how much attention I pay to these things!).

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@Tamara:
bb14. I think in my opinion that we have had enough of the MJ fiasco now. I think that everything that has been said about him has been said. Let the guy rest in peace now and move on.
Has anybody contacted Ian about new threads It has been months, surely there muust be something about the Brange that we haven’t heard. Everything seems to be so quiet even about Jen.

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
I dont even remember who the ex-posters were that were discussing me. The way I recall it, it was not necessarily posters so much as lurkers who read the posts and then go to FF and make comments about us. That is why I made my reference to them saying if someone doubted what I said, just ask me about it and I will respond if I see the question posted. I dont like secrets and I dont keep secrets and if anyone has a question about anything I have said, I dont mind and will respond. I am not always clear and I know that my bluntness can offend people (another lesson learned in life) but point it out to me so I learn and can modify my behavior in the future.

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@benjaminbutton14:
HI BB14 – agreed. I think Ian & Co have been busy!

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@Kate:
Completely agree with you Kate. That is why i wrote that if a child is feeling “displaced” there are avenues the parents can take to help that child get in tune with his or her own culture. i still think a child is better off in a home than in an orphanage. Even if that means that the child resides outside of his or her race. My own Personal belief is to go with the flow of the child. If he/she needs to feel connected to their birth culture than it is the duty of the adoptive parents to do what they can to help facilitate that. If my daughter has an interest in finding her birth mother one day I will hold her hand through the process and help as much as i can. i am lucky that the US adoption agency i worked with has “homeland” trips. Couples who adopted in China, Vietnam, Korea all go together with their adopted childen to see see and explore the country they were born in. i am looking forward to sharing that experience one day with my daughter.

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@ladybert62:

Yeah, I think another big misconception they hold dear is that we somehow all wanted to gain their support and allegiance here and grow a million strong IUC army all chanting the mantra of anti-Brangelina into infinity, when in reality we only came here for a bit of a chat and some banter! Selfishly I am actually really happy that a lot of the idiots or people who didn’t contribute much have gone, I was never interested in what they said anyway – I prefer quality over quantity! All I’ve ever cared about is reading the stories and talking to the people I find interesting and funny. The others just clogged up the threads for me! Sorry I know we’re supposed to be welcoming to all and all that but I don’t see why I have to pretend to like people I wouldn’t be friends with in real life! It’s not a blimmin social service to my knowledge! Still, all are welcome and all that. Just don’t ask me to care too much whether they are here or not!

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@Different Guest:
Please, i am not talking about AJ and BP. Of course i do not believe any child should grow up with out “roots” as it appears with some of these celebrity children. But to say that all children are better off within their own race is just a blankey generalization. I do believe that a child is better off with a loving family that truly cares about his/her well being than in an orphanage. Some orphanges are clean and well run but others are a horrible place for children to grow up. Why do you think that so many children from foreign counties who are adopted are developmentally delayed, have agression problems, can’t bond with the parents ect. It is because they didn’t have enough human contact, care and nurturing. So yes, to answer your question i do believe that a child is better off with a family (again not talking about crazy celebrities) than living his/her life institutionalized in an orphanage.

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@TobyKat:

Just to throw this into the debate as an aside, I only really know two or three situations of people who were adopted. Two were in my village where I grew up, one is my sister-in-law’s brother. One of the ones in my village grew up across the road from me and was adoptd at the age of 2 or 3 so I’ve known her for as long as I can remember. She was adopted into the nicest family you could ever find, truly some of God’s best people (if I believed in such a thing!), utterly selfless and devoted to helping others. They had an older biological son who turned out very well-balanced. The girl however always had issues despite their best attempts to give her the best and most loving home possible (they said she had had a very bad start in life). She told lies all the time for no apparent reason and when she grew up had 3 children very quickly and began to tell lies about her health (for example that she had cancer). She then split with this man and hooked up with someone else. She barely keeps in touch with her adopted parents now which upsets them a lot. My sister-in-law comes from a very posh, wealthy and very, very odd and eccentric family. She has one bio brother and one adopted brother but didn’t get on with either of them well when she was growing up and didn’t have a very happy childhood herself. The adopted brother did not turn out very well either, rebelled against the family, doesn’t really work to my knowledge, does quite a lot of drugs I think and has a daughter who he doesn’t see much or pay much attention to. This has put my sister-in-law and brother off adopting which is a shame. The point of this is that I don’t think the issue with adopting is necessarily to do with race or culture. Some children just never get over their start in life or are too damaged by it, or find it difficult to accept adoptive parents who are so different to how they perceive themselves. I can understand it because my mother is very different from me and I often wonder how we can be related. If she was my adoptive mother I think I would just think, this woman is not really my mother, she is nothing like me, and I probably wouldn’t maintain a relationship with her. So what I’m trying to say is being adopted is a tricky business, one your first years may screw up your chance to bond properly with your adoptive parents, two you may feel like you can opt out of your family if you don’t like them as they aren’t your blood relatives. Whereas when they are your bio parents, no matter how much you like or dislike them, you accept them because there are no other options. It’s not just adopted children after all who sometimes don’t like their parents!

Anyway, best go, but you all have a good evening now.

And for all you lovers at FF: the red fox will fly over the brown goose at midnight. (I hope that gives you enough to go on until tomorrow!).

Night all!x

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Not upset me, stunned me really, I was not upset, I was just really surprised to see people behave that way from one day to the next. I don’t know any of them in day to day life so there is not any way it can hurt me per say, but the personalities were so different. The same ones that were her tryi ng to figure out SR riddles, supporting IAN, now blast that will all their might. They use the rape story as an excuse for their exodus, but many still posted after that, they just migrated over there one by one to join and few who started the Hostiliy thread which is their base because SZ felt she was traumatized here and yet you should read what she wrote judging me about the rape story. She knows nothing about me or my own personal story, and she actaully thought I would respond to her.lol. Just unbelievable. I took my knocks years ago, went to counseling and moved on, I don’t feel I owe her anything. One person on that thread did point out that she kept going back for more with you, and she did, she just would not let it drop. I don’t think she was even a plant, but maybe she just was looking for a friend of a like mind possibly, who knows. She seems completely reasonable at times and at other times catty as hell. I would imagine in real life she is a interesting person. I think the loons just bashed this blog to hello and back and it got eveything off track. You took far too many beating all the way from February on . I am glad things have settled down, it is peaceful now. It will not be when his book comes out, so let’s enjoy it while we can.

@Mia that critic of UnMasked, I would bet has not even read the book. It did not even hit shelves until this week. People go on Amazon all the time to write bad reviews to disable an author just as they do Blockbuster and write bad reviews before they even get the DVD. I know people that get paid to do that . It means nothing. No one will care what that person wrote because for that one every person who truly reads the book, who is a real critic will be honest. IAN knows how this works. This is not his first book, you are not this naive , I know that.

That said, I do hope everyone here is going to buy IAN’s book at some point so we can all discuss it in the forum.

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
lol red fox huh, now Keane do not do that, remember people have gone there already and made up ridiculous stories about us. geez one person said I was in Brads camp, another in Jens. How stupid. If that was the case I would not be here. I hear tidbits from hub a dub, that is all. nothing more, nothing less. no big deal.

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@Kate:
The Little Red Flying-fox (Pteropus scapulatus) is a small bat native to Australia, but can also be found on Ianundercover.com, particular when having a lot of fun . Its diet primarily consists of nectar and pollen of Eucalypt blossoms, but it also likes brats and beer. The Little Red Flying-fox is nomadic, and can be found in large groups, and likes to gather day or night at Ianundercover.com. It’s witty and intelligent nature is very much envied by many.

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Tmz reporting that people who are in the middle of it feel that Katherine, MJ mother is already being manipulated! …..The old man just can’t let it be ! . …And does not understand implications of her doings (mounting legal challenges for no reason) ….obviously the woman has not learned a thing from the past… guess she is in need of her own legal guardian

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Michael Jackson’s Death Was Captured on Video
Jul 15 2009. Posted by Adam
michael jackson
Michael Jackson’s death was reportedly captured on camera — but the footage has gone missing.

The King of Pop had an elaborate security system installed at his rented Los Angeles mansion. Cameras recorded the goings on both in and outside the property.

“It was a very sophisticated and high-tech surveillance and security system,” a police source told the National Enquirer. “Not only were there cameras outside the house, but there were cameras inside as well – in private locations.

“Insiders close to the investigation say Michael’s death — possibly his murder — was captured on camera, but the video has not been recovered.

“There are also gaps in some security camera footage stored on computer hard drives. Police are combing through personal computers recovered from the house.”

Investigators are still seeking a large black suitcase that belonged to Jackson and was said to contain a secret stash of powerful drugs, syringes, intravenous bags and an IV pole, say sources.

Jackson died June 25 after suffering an apparent cardiac arrest at his home in Los Angeles. He was 50. It is widely believed that an overdose of painkillers caused Jacko’s untimely demise.

Michael’s sister, La Toya, said last Sunday that she believes her younger brother was murdered.

“Michael WAS murdered,” declared La Toya, 53. “And we don’t think just one person was involved. Rather, it was a conspiracy of people. I feel it was all about money. Michael was worth well over a billion in music publishing assets and somebody killed him for that. He was worth more dead than alive.”

Jacko’s father, Joe Jackson, also said he suspects his son’s sudden sudden death may not have been an accident.

“I just couldn’t believe what was happening to Michael,” he said.

“I do believe it was foul play,” Jackson added. “I do believe that. Yes.”

http://www.showbizspy.com/article/189277/michael-jacksons-death-was-captured-on-video.html

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@TobyKat:
I have been reading all posts on adoption today, since my knowledge on the subject is zero. I have found some interesting data , which supports your claim, that a child is better off being adopted by a family than not….

Adopted children do as well as or better than their non-adopted counterparts, according to a 1994 study by the Search Institute, a Minneapolis-based public policy research organization providing leadership, knowledge and resources to promote healthy children, youth and communities. This study, the largest examination of adopted adolescents yet undertaken, concludes:

* Teens who were adopted at birth are more likely than children born into intact families to live with two parents in a middle-class family.
* Adopted children score higher than their middle-class counterparts on indicators of school performance, social competency, optimism and volunteerism.
* Adopted adolescents generally are less depressed than children of single parents and less involved in alcohol abuse, vandalism, group fighting, police trouble, weapon use and theft.
* Adopted adolescents score higher than children of single parents on self-esteem, confidence in their own judgment, self-directedness, positive view of others and feelings of security within their families
* . On health measures, adopted children and children of intact families share similarly high scores, and both those groups score significantly higher than children raised by single parents.
* Seven percent of children adopted in infancy repeated a grade, while 12 percent of children living with both biological parents repeated a grade.
* Compared with the general child population, children placed with adoptive couples are better off economically.

Data indicates that adopted children:

* Do better in educational attainment than single parent children and children raised by grandparents.
* Enjoy a quality of home environment superior to all the other groups.
* Have superior access to health care compared to all other groups.

http://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/adoption_stats

Ok… it doesn’t tell us anything about the ‘ happiness’ of the kids … but to me it seems you are way better off to have health care, education etc. than not…….AT least, that is one or two problems less on your plate…. rather adopted , than be ‘ happy ‘ in your original surroundings, but starving, sick and no education !

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@John:
I would not be surprised, if somebody was trying to sell the surveillance videos …..extortion… somebody with the full high-tech now-how …..

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@Ms Agatha:
bb14. Thank you Ms Agatha I am from Australia, and I didn’t know about the little Flying Red Fox, shows you how much I know. I will have to check it out. While some of you getting ready to hit the sack it’s early Monday morning here in Australia and I’m off to work, catch you all later.

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@benjaminbutton14:
See ya …. not hitting sack any time soon…..:)

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@benjaminbutton14:
…and don’t work so hard now ben

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@Ms Agatha:
Glad to see that someone actually looked up some facts rather than just post things they pulled out of thin air Seriously though, i enjoyed the post. It gave some interesting and positive facts about adopted children.

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@TobyKat:
I have never had any more knowledge than today on adoption lol … reading my way through the net and your posts here………. always have been against celeb baby shopping as if they were pets…. particular since some of those kids are not even orphans !!! Interesting subject….

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@TobyKat:The problem is that just like biological families, adoptive families aren’t all good. One truly doesn’t know what kind a parent one will be until they have a child. Just biological parents I have known adoptive parents who have regretted the decision. I’ve also known children who were burdened by their parents demanding that they were owed because they bought child out of poverty. Actually the history of adoption out of Asia is not about not having enough parents, is was about a cultures that frowned upon adopting a child that was not a relation. In Korea there was also the issue of mixed race children as a result of the Japanese occupation during the second world war followed by the multinational forces during the Korean war. Unfortunately many societies are extremely predjudiced against their own mixed race children. In this country the deck is stacked against african americans who want to adopt due to the cost involved. The flood of girls out of China came with the one child policy. There is still a gender preference. There have been some very interesting about how adoption attitudes are changing in China as a result of last year’s earthquake.

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@Ms Agatha:
But positively surprised generally, how good adoption is for kids in need of it

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@Different Guest:
It’s always going to be a case-by-case issue, I think…..nothing is ever perfect in life….. but one can try to make an effort for the better…..and of course, those drive-by adoptions by AJ or Madonna should be legally stopped ….

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@Ms Agatha:This is a good example of the problems with internet, first this is 2009, that study was done 15 years ago – did you also notice that it is a site is looking for birth mothers, notice also that all the photos are of white women. And that the study is slanted toward children AT BIRTH and makes no mention of race. It’s a good example of how to lie with statistics. They aren’t telling you anything about the sample size or gender or race of the children or the parents.

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@Ms Agatha:The problem is that many parents are not prepared for the challenges that crosscultural adoptions bring, hell many biological parents aren’t prepared for the challenges of parenthood period.

Just noticed on the website you linked my tool bar says I am pregnant unplanned pregnancy information for american women.

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Hahaha……Jennifer Lopez celebrating her twins 1st BD while filming movie ! She goes all out in interview about her twins…giving AJ a lesson in PR … what a difference an excited, happy mother makes ! Just compared that to AJ driving around in L.A. on her twins BD …… day and night …
http://www.accesshollywood.com/jennifer-lopezs-twins-visit-mom-at-work_article_20716@Different Guest: …. your point is well taken…. I am just starting to understand the difficulties surrounding crosscultural adoptions… thanks for info …

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@Different Guest:
Great article, hope you enjoy it. Sums up pretty much how i personally feel. Ms. Agatha i think you’ll enjoy this as well.
http://notesfromthefrugaltrenches.com/2009/05/07/world-aids-orphan-day/

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@Different Guest:
No one is Totally prepared to be a parent. There is no owners manual. i have a friend that has biological children and she is a mess. She has no natural motherly instincts what so ever. That’s what parenthood is all about, learning as you go. If you care about your child you will put in the effort whether or not they are adopted or biological.

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@TobyKat:Did you notice that this person is not an adoptive parent? And check this quote out “So I presented a few facts that show how well children do when adopted (in a timely fashion) by adoptive parents who are educated about the challenges, what life is like for children in orphanages, what life is like for a child that has no family.” No definition of a timely fashion or what the challenges are.

TobyKat I don’t mean to be mean, my view comes from years in the trenches of social services – have you considered the possibilty that your child may grow up and reject you?

I do think the author made a great point about supporting a child through World Vision. On another thread I think it was Ladybert and I were discussing an article in the New York Times about a program in Tanzania that brings in extended family to an orphanage to help raise the orphaned infants until they can be returned to their home villages – usually around age six.

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@TobyKat:
Thanks for sending post….I am even reading responses… I kind of agree with one reader who says that because the way the world is now, we have to take more radical action, in the long run if we work to support communities, we shouldn’t have children/people facing this kind of life. But in the meantime they can’t simply wait because of the longer political agenda. So there is a short- and a long term agenda….. one has to focus on both …just thinking

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@TobyKat:But not every parent does, biological or adoptive.

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@Ms Agatha:Was it you and I or Ladybert and I who were talking about the program in Tanzania?

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@Different Guest:
I actually found that article in NYT, after Lady B mentioned it to me, but could not remember where she read it…… thought too, that was a great idea, worth looking into …

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/25/world/africa/25orphan.html

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IAN live

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on fox geraldo

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Now I know where he is ….. lol…..

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If you have his BlackBerry No Kate, could you please ask him to send new post….. we are running out of threads….he just finished at Fox News with Geraldo…..looking good

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@Different Guest:
No, i don’t think of the day my child may reject me. Does any parent? i don’t think about the day my stepson may reject me either. Sorry if I sound blunt but that was a positively, fucking ridiculous, insensitive statement. There are biological children that grow up hating their parents. Do you want to ask your friends that have bio children if they think about it? i simply can’t discuss this matter with you anymore. i am NOT TALKING ABOUT TAKING CHILDREN AWAY THAT HAVE FAMILIES. i am talikng about true orphans that have no one to take care of them. i don’t know what trenches you worked in but you cannot tell me that life in an orphange or worse yet life on the streets is better for a child. Don’t even bother responding to this, i am sick to death trying to explain it to you. Abuse, human trafficking, hunger. yeah, that’s better than having a loving, supportive family.

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@TobyKat:There are good orphanages, where children are loved and cared for and go on to lead productive lives in their home countries. So what you are really saying a child belongs in a home and if it’s abusive it better than orphanage?

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@TobyKat:Just a final comment you are the one who has complained about people making generalizations but you have generalized that all orphanages are bad.

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@Ms Agatha:
That is a good article on what sounds like a successful orphanage doing what they can to help care for infants whose mothers have died BUT still have a family back in their village. It’s great that they raise the child when he/she is the most vulnerable as far as the most basic needs go. A wonderful solution for the families that need some help until the child is a little older and stronger. My whole point which some other posters still do not understand is that true orphan (those with no family or family willing to raise them) are better off being adopted than living their entire lives in an orphange. What allot of people don’t realize that once these children reach a certain age ( 8, 10 12 15 depending on the country) they have to leave the orphange and fend for themselves. What skills do these kids have, what protection do these kids have. They are vulnerable and often end up in the sex trade or human trafficking. breaks my heart

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@Different Guest:
No, you can’t read that’s not what i said. i said that if a child is a True orphan than that child is better off in a LOVING, SUPPORTIVE home than in an orphange. i NEVER said they are better off with abusive parents. You are a cruel, insensitive person. One of the worse i have come across on this site.

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@TobyKat:

I liked that article too, because it showed a way to include an existing, extended family of the child, in the upbringing of the child, and educate all parties involved, about the child’s future needs on an emotional and economic level ……. as you said, these children are part of an extended bigger family. Without the education provided by the program, the extended family would not take care of the child, due to socio economic traditions …….

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@Ms Agatha:
It was nice talking to you. I am exhausted and going to bed. I have to say that today was an eye opener to me and i don’t think i have allot in common with most of these posters. So, i don’t think this is the place for me anymore. i enjoyed it but the cruel insensitive post by different guest has made me want to hang up my hat. Take care and thanks for keeping an open mind and actually researching the subject of adoption and orphanges. I really enjoyed and learned a few things from your posts. God Bless.

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@Ms Agatha:
In the case scenario of an True orphan with no family, of course other actions need to be taken. I hope, the traditional ways of orphanages , which are just ‘ holds ‘ for the children could be over one day…. if they would offer full programs of education, study, self-development of the child in a major way…. they could be an alternative, at least for older children, who cannot find family adoption. But of course …. this is a money issue, as most issues.

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@TobyKat:
OH please no, don’t go away…. come back…. tomorrow is another day…..my last post was meant for you…sleep well

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@TobyKat:You can interpret the post any way you want it was not cruel or insensitive – you can’t seem grasp the concept that an adoptive child can end up being abused just as biological child can. In that case growing up in an orphanage is a better option.

By the way didn’t you post that your child’s mother gave her up? So is she a true orphan?

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@TobyKat:
hi toby i am not talking about a child who’s mom has abonded her or a child with no family at all. and it is great that the place you adopted from has the idea to take the parents and kids to visite their homeland, i am talking about the kids that have family and if these relations had the means they would love to keep the kids. i am not here to argue with true and loving homes that people give adopted kids but about the extended families that would love to keep those children but cannot because of poverty. we also have alot of good clean orphanages that people help with christmas gifts and taking kids for holidays at these places the children get good education and health care.
so please i know that there are people that want to give a child a loving home and a feeling of being part of a family and i applaud them and thank god for true loving people and i am not talking about the stars only as there are people out there that adopt because it is a status thing and it lifts them up in the eyes of others and it is all about them. you must realize that this is a wicked world we live in and there are all sorts of people out there. the story of my aunt is a sad story and is not my generalizing but i felt that i wanted to mention it as she was a loving and kind woman and it may be one in a 1000. i am looking after a 18 years old mixed race child and i know that he loves and respects me and yes he has family a dad and a stepmom that he does not get on with but it is not her fault because they have a conflict of personality but i make sure they visite and see each other often so i am not against true adoptions. sorry if you took my post as negative but i am very much for the family structure and feel for the people that cannot keep the children because of poverty. god bless and sorry that you felt my post was an attack on adoptions.

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You losers still obssesed with the Jolie-Pitts? Just kill yourselves already, your lives are WORTHLESS.

P.S. – Jen will NEVER have kids.

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bb14. Here is some news from Grazia Australian edition. Maybe you have all have read this.

Ange: life without Brad

Brad and Ange: living apart They spent the twins’ first birthday apart and haven’t been spotted together for months. Now the lawyers have been called in…

Just over a year ago Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie were celebrating the safe arrival of their twins. It was a bittersweet moment for Angelina, 34, who’d been struggling to come to terms with the loss of her mother the year before.

Yet within weeks of Knox and Vivienne’s birth, the actress posed in an intimate photo shoot for 45-year-old Brad, who shared photos of his partner breastfeeding their babies with the world.

Now, a year on, it seems the couple have gone from constantly being in the spotlight to an almost reclusive state, with friends revealing the couple live separate lives. A British magazine has reported Brad has already bought a bachelor pad just out of LA.

Sources claim each has met with their respective lawyers in recent weeks, with Angelina returning to the agent she shared with ex-husband Billy Bob Thornton before their divorce in 2003.

“Both Angelina and Brad have discussed the situation with their lawyers,” claims a source close to her. “Angelina’s made it clear she wants full custody and Brad is determined to ensure he has full access to the children. While they’re still working through their problems, if there’s a definitive break, they want it to be as clean and as painless as possible for the sake of the children.”

The couple haven’t been photographed together since the Cannes Film Festival in mid-May, with friends saying they are struggling to cope with balancing the responsibilities of six children…

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@Ms Agatha:
Hi Ms Agatha, Didn’t work too hard today I’m a nurse and I was working in the morgue today very exciting stuff. BTW if there is anymore on the Brad and Ange story I posted will post it tomorrow there was more but haven’t bought the mag yet.

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@benjaminbutton14:
Wow! What does a nurse do in the morgue?

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@Vittoria:
At lest the patients can’t make you crazy with demands! But seriously, I am genuinely interested to know what one does, but not too graphic please, I have a bit of a weak constitution.

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@benjaminbutton14:
Hey BB, People to the rescue has cited a source that saw them out and about looking , and I quote “super-happy” lol these are the discriptions we get when they are trying to buck up for the masses and the impending doom of Inglorious Basterds, can’t have a custody fight in the middle of that and take attention away from Quentins film, no, he would have Brad’s vintage bike if he did. somcc,:)

Ang did look very happy to be hanging with her girl Holly, didn’t you guys think?

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@Kate:
Do you think Holly is her female lover?

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Well I am up early with my coffee to get to a early meeting, but I read through here about the adoptions and families and I just wanted to say this, ladies, we are all one or the other, a mom or a child. It is an incredible bond , mother and daughter and it makes no difference if it is biological or not of if you look alike or not. Some say the mother daughter relationship is one of the most complex there is. There was a book out years ago called “My Mother’s Daughter” Interesting read. Lets all try to be sensitive to one another and remember that children are a tender spot for us all, as are parents. I know all of us are concerned about the way it “appears” that the Brange has purchased children. I am not really of that mindset nor am I convinced that that they are not relatively good parents. I tend to believe Brad really loves those kids, and that Angelina does too, that they are probably her saving grace. Is she the kind of mother some of you are, by the same standards, maybe not, but nevertheless, I think she does love them and they love her. Would she be the better parent to have them, not imo right now, but maybe in the future if she gets her life back together, turns it around, I hope so. There is a special bond between a mother and child.

I understand Different Guest exactly what you see and have experienced and why you feel the way you do. I think life experiences play a big role in the way we see things , and I understand your logical standpoint. I think there have been several studies on how difficult it is for the African American child to assimilate into the white home, I don’t think that really applies so much to other ethnic cultures. That is unfortunate, but it is also human nature. You are correct. my cousin is fortunate to raise her girls in Hawaii, but there is incredible racism alive and well in the islands, all the different races have a line that they do not want crossed. Just ask any Professor at the University there.

At the same time Toby Cat has a beautiful daughter that she cherishes with all of her heart, they are one, so it would never occur to her that her daughter may resent her, and she won’t, The love is just too strong there. I am speaking from experience, I will not go into detail but when you look at your child, it does not matter if you are blond and they have this beautiful olive skin and look like they could be a beautiful princess from another land, you do not see anything but your baby.

So Ladies lets celebrate one another as moms and friends, Have a nice day, to a lovely group of ladies here at IUC and some past as well if you are hanging around.

Catch you later today,

Cheers, Kate

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@TobyKat:
Ah Toby please don’t leave. You’ve heard that people should never discuss religion or politics at the dinner table, let’s add that no one should discuss their opinions on adoption on this blog! Unless of course it’s not US we are talking about LOL It is too volatile and personal and everyone has their opinion, it’s bound to get heated. I feel bad that you are so very upset but don’t leave because of it. It appears that your difference of opinion is with Different Guest, not with the whole board, so hopefully you and DG can agree to disagree and move on. Okay hun?? Im off to the gym ladies, have a great morning. xoT

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@Ms Agatha:
Ms. Agatha – you cracked me up – those “drive by adoptions” of Holie-Jolie and Strange Madonna! Funny!

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@benjaminbutton14:
Thanks BB14 – that was a clear concise article about the state of their relationship! Appreciate your posting it.

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@benjaminbutton14:
Hi Ben……… interested here too to know, what went on in the morgue ( if you can just give an overall idea)
I am not working at all today….. have my coffee in bed… together with laptop…… life can be so good

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@ladybert62:
Wow……You made it lol ..I see your new aviator…..needed a few secs to focus for me….. what’s underneath the bird ? kinda hard to see….lol

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@Vittoria:
…that’s the general whisper in the grapevines

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@benjaminbutton14:
This Austrian paper picked up story from German paper….story kind of perpetuates itself through German speaking press…… I think, this story comes from Brad camp…… versus story coming from AJ camp, where they have been seen as one happy family walking down major street in L.A. ( guess what : No photos around hahaha) and sooooo much in love… smooooch…. BP camp 1 : AJ camp 1 …… this one is for KEANE: Do they take any bets in England ( betting big sport over there) on their state of affairs ? If so, would like to know the odds….:)

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@Ms Agatha:
Well you know how some post referenced that she is with a woman, so I was wondering if it was her.

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@Ms Agatha:
Its a hawk sitting on my head! Ha ha Commemorates the fallen hawk day for me of last week. It is kinda bizarre but at least it is now appearing! Is it out of focus when you look at it? The one I see looks OK! Is Ms. Agatha working on her latest “murder mystery” while enjoying her relaxing day?

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@Vittoria:

It looks they are more soul mates than employer/employee …….. even managed to be pregnant at exact time, giving birth at exact same moment

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@Ms Agatha:
maybe they shared the same pappa for the baby?

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@ladybert62:
hehe…hope to hear back from Ben down under to help me out w ideas re her morgue experience …. experiencing writer’s block this morning …..lol

aviator is enigmatic ….. now, that I know it’s your face …. lol…

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@ladybert62:
Maybe even shared the baby (ies) ? Who knows anymore….lol

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EXTRA EXTRA here is the latest from FEMALE FIRST ex IUC Poster SZ: Well the last one that I read from SZ (who once upon a time visited here with us) now says that Ian, while being in full drag, is now pregnant with Ladybert’s baby from the 12th century. Wow – congratulations Ian – guess that explains where you are these days. Although I think she is a little confused on the concept of conception but hey it seems that Ms. SZ still reads here regularly! Welcome back Ms. SZ – lurker with a beautiful blue eye avatar!

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@Ms Agatha:
Wish I looked that good with or without a hawk sitting on my head – I could use the improved HawkEye sight however!

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@ladybert62:
lol…. drag from 12th century … that’s some kind of drag….!

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@Ms Agatha:
“Only the Shadow knows” – remember that line? A famous radio show which was even before my time! But I do have it on an old tape! Much fun to listen to with the lights out!

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@Ms Agatha:

…you know they are saying that beauty is in the eye of the beholder ….and it may be necessary from time to time to give a stupid or misinformed beholder a black eye.’

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@ladybert62:
…Crime does not pay! The Shadow knows….heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh…..”.

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@Ms Agatha:
I like that! I will have to remember it.

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@ladybert62:
So Ian – what are we going to name our first child together? IUC should have a contest! we need some suggestions!

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…. thief in da house…. AJ got her clothes stolen
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Angelina-Jolie-s-designer-clothes-stolen/491757

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@Ms Agatha:
That was an interesting article – nice picture of Holie-Jolie too. She looks healthy there and I always like it better with her hair off of her face. I still think she looked awful at Cannes – certainly not her best pictures! Wonder who took the clothes! Maybe they are lost in the mail!

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@ladybert62:
… hahahahahaaa …….Ian stop it ! Enough ! Collecting AJ clothes now…. We know you like the drag thing…..lol…… sorry, just couldn’t help it …:)

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@Ms Agatha:
That was good – never occurred to me!

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@ladybert62:
That’s an older photo… there is photo out from yesterday … she and Hollie exiting photo studio …. she is thin as a stick ..new improved cheekbones ?.. but happily smiling, she does not look that happy ever when she is with BP

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@ladybert62:
Got to run ..but back shortly…talk to you later… has been fun

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@ladybert62:
Wait – I don’t see your new Avatar!! I still see LadyBert.

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@Tamara:
Me too. Thought is was just me but I guess not.

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@Tamara:
The picture you see is of the water?

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@ladybert62:
Yes Ms Hawk

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@Tamara:
Oh well – I am tired of trying to figure it out. Whichever one shows up is not that important to me! Either water or hawk! I like both! If it changes and you start to see the hawk, just let me know as I did one one thing to try and correct it. Thanks!

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@ladybert62:
Mistery … now how cool is that ?… I see Hawk and Lady’s head…

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more like mystery …oops

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@ladybert62:
Yea, I read FF today too, left a reply for SZ. She says there was something about this site that made her see red (as in a bull with a cape) but she seems perfectly reasonable on FF, so it appears that she’s much happier at her new “home blog” LOL There was one disturbing thing to me though. They were quite disgusted with the what they percieved as Different Guest’s viciousness against TobyKat (they think Toby is sweet). I too am wishing that didn’t happen, it makes me feel so bad, but I stick to my guns that everyone is entitled to their opinion and that goes for DG too!! I just wish they would agree to disagree and drop it. I wouldn’t want either of them to leave this blog. I just kind of stick to a rule of thumb that Im not going to argue my opinions if it goes against the grain of the board. I will say what I want to say and then drop it, but then I can’t hurt people in real life,so I’m not going to hurt people just cos I’m SIFOMC (sitting in front of my computer LOL) I am a real softie, I don’t like confrontation or arguing and it makes me uncomfortable so I try to avoid it. I know, maybe not the healthiest way to act but it causes me less stress that way.

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@ladybert62:
lol…. The-One-who-shows-two-aviators…. it does not matter I agree… but feel privileged to see your new enigmatic hawk aviator …:)

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OT – Im happy to see people using the SAMCC! hahahaha

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@Ms Agatha:
haha!! Lady, be careful, there will be a conspiracy theory discussed on the mystery of your double Avatar. Which one is she, Lady or Hawk? I can hear it now. SAMCC

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@Tamara:
Also, there is still the question, why can I see what you cannot ? ROFL ( yes, I still do that !)

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@Tamara:
If the thread is going in a direction I don’t approve of, I won’t try and change anyone’s mind about it, I will just leave and come back when they’ve changed the topic. Thats what I did during the exchange between TK and DG last night.

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Ms Hawk – I’ve been watching the coverage of the trainwreck in SF and saying a silent prayer of thanks that you weren’t on it!! You do commute to work on the train, don’t you?

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@Ms Agatha:
WOw – now really is bizarre! Two avatars – I fell privileged and have no idea how I did it!

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@Tamara:
Thank you and yes that is one of the trains I frequently take! Good thing it happened on a saturday – my personal opinion is operator error but we shall see what happens! Thanks for the prayers, I need all I can get!

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@Tamara:
I am both! Depends on my mood – my sun sign is aries but there are a few gemini influences rolling around my horoscope so maybe they are trying to control things! I think it is hysterical!

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@ladybert62:

Just checked out our previous thread (where do you think M should rest) to find your aviator has changed in retrospect ….. it’s hawk on head even on old threads….which I guess shows, that the same Lady B has written all her posts in the past ….lol

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@Ms Agatha:
I was checking to see if Ian remembered us and sent new thread our way….

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@Ms Agatha:
Yup – just one of me! (as my husband would say, thank god!)

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More from the Examiner on AJ …. propping up the house of cards …. Salt PR going into higher drive …. most of it is rehashed….article from July 25 2009

Quote: Jolie………….now embraces healthy eating and workout habits …..

http://www.examiner.com/x-14380-NY-Celebrity-Fitness-Examiner~y2009m6d25-Angelina-Jolie-I-used-to-be-unstable

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@Ms Agatha:
…love the use of the past tense ‘ I used to be unstable ‘ AJ Ho Lie

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Here is a great article on the Rent-A-Celebrity-Business of 3rd World Countries to further their country’s recognition with Big Business Investment ……and …. shocker (not) ….. how they pay the celebrity back…. passport anyone ? ( Cambodia will give you one )

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/7/5/focus/4255706&sec=focus

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HOLLY”S back with Angie…….x17online.com has pics……..pretty sure its Holly in LA

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BP had affair with his make up artist from Snatch AFTER he had already hooked up with AJ

I found the following two make up artists who worked on the set of Snatch :

Ms Jean Ann Black was his personal make up artist on set of Snatch, Mr & Mrs Smith (!) and TCCOBB and The Assassination of Jesse James and Ocean Thirteen and Babel and Troy and Ocean Eleven and Fight Club and Meet Joe Black and Seven Years in Tibet and Devil’s Own and Sleepers

The other make up artist on Snatch was Ms. Fae Hammond – no previous connection w BP

http://www.morungexpress.com/entertainment/29000.html

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@Ms Agatha:
Hi Ms. Agatha – I read that article and laughed out loud. Let me see if I get this right: Hapless is married to lovely Ms. Jen. Hapless cheats on Jen and has affair with Holie-Jolie; hapless cheats on Jen AND cheats on Holie-Jolie and has affair with Ms. Snatch (per hapless’ diary – hapless, havent you learned yet not to keep a diary!); Holie-Jolie is mad at hapless because he cheated on her (the mistress) when Holie-Jolie thought she as the only “other woman.” Dang, these people are funny. He cheats on Jen and Holie (Holie says that is wrong); Holie cheats on hapless (with anything that moves – she says that is OK).

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@Tamara:
Hi Tam, I agree, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I don’t think DG should be judged for her opinion. I have a dear friend who works in the trenches too, of a different kind, he is a dectective, and let me tell you, it will and does change how you view things, just as adopting will and does change your view on that. I have a relative that was so homophobic, until she found out her son was gay, that is human nature . People should just move on from these topics. DG and TC are valued posters here. It amazes me that people on another board can judge, they do it to me all the time, (yes I have read all that you guys have said, thank you, and I don’t agree, you were not with me when I had a knife at my throat) people think they have a right to say how you should feel, what you should or should not say. sorry it does not work that way. I know that I am a decent compassionate person, they may not agree, but that does not change who I am. I have seen people say things on FF like they are Brad Pitt gets raped, or Angie dies in a plane crash and worse, the children. I am serious. There are vile posters everywhere, and no these are not “our” people doing it, I don’t believe any of the ladies that left here would ever partake in those threads.

@SZ catty when you wrote that long post and Deb said you sounded like Keane. I thought it was pretty funny myself, we all have a inner bitch, that was not an insult by the way, just an observation.

@Others at FF Hostility – I have right to my opinions, no I am not a paid poster, I can assure you, they make little and I do not need the money. I believe in freedom of speech, it may not agree with everyone, and you may not like it, but none of my comments were directed to another poster, they were at the topic at hand, and I do believe because I have been there I have the right to express how I feel when I think someone is faking it. sorry, yes it is a serious subject, I found the W spread very offensive, not just because he was still married, but because of the sexual violence it dipicted. Ang has not been shy in talking about liking to be held down, and that was recent , it is not a stretch for me to believe that she role plays. You guys do not see what I see, you judge by your own standards. Yes, IAN should have been more sensitive with the topc, and he knows that. There is one phrase he uses that I find offensive everytime, whether it is about LIndsey or Angelina, and that is “She is the best F**K I have ever had” . I am not going to say anything else about this, I was young, when this happened to me, so I have more empathy than anyone can imagine. Did anyone watch the sports awards last night, the coach who lost a leg, fighting cancer, who explained his philosophy on life, of his battle, everyone had tears in their eyes. I have forgotten all of it but something like don’t complain, don’t whine, ———. Just press ahead. I think it is time to put all of this behind us, I put all of my battles behind me and if I did not I would not have the beautiful family that I have.

Let’s just bury the hatchet guys, let me go first, “I sincerely apologize to any of you ladies that I have offended by my feelings about the rape story, truly, like Tamara, it is never my intention to hurt another person”

I sincerely mean that. Can we drop this? No more making fun of each there back and forth, lets just not do that, I know that is not who you ladies are, and I know that is not who we are, somehow hiding behind a computer reduces us all to that at times, and it is shameful. Lets all rise above that, shall we?

To my friends here, I hope you will all join me. No more name calling, no making fun, let’s just get past this. Onward . This is not productive. jmho of course , everyone will make their own decision.

Cheers, Kate

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@ladybert62:
Interesting that he has a little black book for ‘ booty call ‘ hahaha……. diaries Ha !

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@ladybert62:
They are snitching on each other …..punch out time…. let’s see who comes out first lol

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@Ms Agatha:
She will win over hapless! Guaranteed.

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@Kate:
Ok Kate! I will do my best to act more mature from now on! Thanks for the reminder about what is important in life!

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Photos AJ w Hollie in L.A. ……… http://www.okmagazine.com/2009/07/photos-angelina-is-back-to-black/

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@Tamara:
I am not friends with Patty Anne in real life, Tamara. I am friends in real life with TobyKat and that is all. I find Patty Anne to be highly annoying and immature.

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bb14. I think that we should get off the adoption and subjects like that. To me it is causing too many frictions among our posters. Please don’t go Tobycat, just think about it as they say tomorrow is a new day.

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@Kate:
bb14. I’m with you Kate let’s move on.

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@Ms Agatha:
bb14. I was only in the morgue for a few hours I learned how to embalm people there really wasn’t much to it. Then I was off to watch an optopsy that was gruesome, it’s just that I’m going for an exam and have to know about these things. The next thing I have to know is how to prepare people who want to be cremated, and what has to be done when the cremation has finished. I believe the oven is about 15000 degrees, so it;s a bit warm in there. After the ashes cool down we remove them and I can’t think of the proper word but squash the bones and then when all that is done they are put into a urn or hatever the people want done with them. It is a gruelling experience but that’s life.

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@benjaminbutton14:
The exam you are going for, does every nurse need to take it ? Or are you in a special field of nursing ?
I really admire you…… I would be a total shortfall ….

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@Ms Agatha:
check ebay. she probably sold them lol!

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@Tamara:
Of course, she’s a hawk by day and a bailey lady by night!

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@Vittoria:

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@Vittoria:
Good one Vittoria!

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@Vittoria:
That is hysterical – made me laugh out loud again!

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@ladybert62:
Yeah, just remember to check to be sure your night persona has come before the baileys comes. never drink and fly…………but you can certainly fly after a few drinks!!!!!

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@Constant Gardener:
OMG, I’m so sorry! I thought she said once that she was using your computer and accidentally logged in as YOU! My mistake. Let me say it’s nice to see you!

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I have a meeting with a client, but here is something that I have been thinking about. Ms Agatha I believe mentioned Diamonds =flood may mean flooded with diamionds. I know Vaj at FF has harped on a diamond theory for a long time, I have not read it but maybe someone here has, I only know that because I saw one of the notorious insiders shoot down that theory. But. Back to the riddles. I just can not get my head into the velvel boxes being for deceased anything. That is too disturbing .

They donated to Conflict Diamonds this year.Go back and read that riddle The Great Deception, it said it was a topic that was being discussed all over. Inferred global. What if she was buying them , that is why she was a rich girl? Imagine the shame with that. I will not go as far as smuggling, but it did say police raced in.

Then on the youngest one in curls that is how they became the Brangie Bunch, I don’t think that is about Viv, this sounds like it is referring to how they got together, and what made them the BB. The youngest one in curls has to be Shiloh. Tears in his eyes, if that is standing over a crib that could be hers, or the twins after finding out the DNA. I have to think more on this, but it could be several stories, Diamonds, her being the greatest thief (IAN said something about that) there seemed to be something about a reference to Zaharas adoption at the end of one of them and the malnourished.

I have an idea about the Alice, the Greg, Bobby, etc. but have to research that thought. it has nothing to do with the children.

BBL

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@Kate:Diamonds or another gemstone? I think Ms. Agatha pointed out that there are all kinds goodies in the Cambodia hood – including rubies. If I understand holding dual passports correctly if one is a U.S. citizen – you have to use your U.S. passport when entering or leaving the country – what you do and where you go in between times, can go on your other passport. A friend, who has since passed away, so I don’t know what the situation is post 9/11, always traveled first class, never had anything but a cursory customs inspection. What customs inspector is going to want to lose their job over mishandling a celebrity.

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@Kate:
I think you’re on the right track Kate. This theory makes the most sense of all the ones discussed so far IMO. I did wonder if the diamonds had to do with the twins, but a reference to the donation to Conflict Diamonds makes far more sense. I think maybe we were trying to decipher it too literally. Can’t wait to hear what you come up with.

As far as buying them, could be or could be that she profited from them in some way, as in free merchandise, she doesn’t seem to do anything without it benefiting her IMO. I mean, she got her Cambodian passport, promised a lot of money and then when she got what she wanted she dropped them and when I say them I mean the whole country of Cambodia!! What a piece of work.

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@Vittoria:
Another good one! You are one a roll Vittoria!

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@Different Guest:
Good Point! Also, what kind of inspection does a high profile HW star with tons of bodyguards have to go through if they flew in on a private plane? I always wondered about that. Especially ones who are notorious drug users. I wondered how they got their drugs once they got to London or whatever, if they are on a private plane can they just pack their drugs in the zippered pouch of their purse for easy access in-flight?

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@Different Guest:
Has AJ been wearing rubies lately, or at any of the award shows last year? What were the green gems she wore to the Oscars? I thought they were emeralds but they didn’t look deeply green enough.

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TobyKat, you brought up an interesting point…the US has few if any laws that protect adoptive parents…I wish celebrities who adopt would put their “skills” to use to help pass legislation in the US that makes it easier for people to adopt and also easier to keep the children they adopt. Peace out.

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@Ms Agatha:
bb14. It’s a special field that is open to all nurses, not many of them took it up I can tell you. I am into different things and that one appealed to me after your dead and gone so to speak. Next week I am into learning to do make-up and dress the deceased. I did try dressing a body once before but the funny thing is they are very hard to dress when they are stiff in fact once while I was dressing one I couldn’t get his leg in his trousers and he nearly toppled off the table I was getting that angry with his leg it just wouldn’t go in. It’s not a job for everyone but after 2 years if I don’t like it I can do other work in a Hospital.

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@Tamara:I’m thinking more like acting as courier for a cut of the proceeds. Wasn’t one of the riddles implying someone might have visited safety deposit boxes in Europe? Then there is the dance that is going on between the U.S. and Switzerland about turning over the names of the private banking clients who are U.S. citizens.

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@Different Guest:
Dear friends,

I am popping back in for a quick post. Miss tt you all but am so turned off with Ian’s gravedancing I stopped for awhile. I am back to respond to the post below and Different Guest, this is for you and you alone:

Different Guest said on July 19th, 2009 at 11:40 am

@TobyKat:I have the degrees and have worked in social services – other posters are correct that crosscultural adoptions are not always successful – especially when they involve children of African descent. Like it or not this country is stratified along the lines of race – the pecking order is Whites, Asians, Hispanics, African Americans. Social acceptance of a cross cultural adoption also depends on where you live. With the rise of intermarriage attitudes are changing but very slowly. Just an observation from many years on college campuses, children who were mixed race or cross cultural adoptions gravitated towards the student organizations that represented their minority race. On campus they felt more comfortable with people who looked like them.

DG-With your many degrees it is humorous to me that you cannot spell. That’s pretty funny. About what I would expect from a low level social worker who gets their rocks off pontificating about shit they know nothing about. Your fellow social workers in FLA are running a child pedo ring. So how do you fit in to that picture? Where the fuck do you get off trying to tell my friend TobyKat all about inter racial adoption? . About what I would expect from a low level government employee. Please keep your childish racist views to yourself. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You sound like some kind of drone making canned and unsupported comments. Since you are so wise to the ways of inter racial adoption, why don’t you edify all of us with your wisdom concerning, say, the adoption of handicapped and special needs children and how they would gravitate to others like them, you know, to seek their own kind? You, Miss DG are a fucking racist idiot. If you would seek out your own kind (ignorant, racially and culturally insensitive twatbags), the world would be a better place. Apologies to the rest of the board. TobyKat is my dear friend. What I have watched them do for their bio AND adopted child is awe inspiring. She doesn’t need an ignorant remark from a fake “social worker” to advise her and she doesn’t need me to defend her. But I am. If you, DG want to talk about culturally insensitive adoptions, then go back to bitching about AJ’s and leave the real adoptive hero parents alone. Constant Gardener.

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Regarding those little velvet lined stained boxes ……lets go back to jewelery boxes : they are velvet lined

stained = could refer to blood stains … blood + jewelery boxes = could refer to the so called Pigeon’s Blood Rubies from Burma (country next to Cambodia ) ……

There is no finer ruby than “pigeon’s blood ruby” which is named for its distinct deep red-magenta hue that is similar to freshly drawn arterial pigeon blood. This color is also compared to the hue of a pomegranate seed….
In reaction to the arrest of Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, Aung San Suu Kyi, President Bush banned the importation of certain Burma products into the United States , among which are the Burmese rubies.
“The trade in these stones supports human rights abuses,” the New York-based Human Rights Watch said in a statement this week. “The sale of these gems gives Burma’s military rulers quick cash to stay in power.”
What if celebrities known for their notorious Human Rights PR stance would ‘ circumvent’ embargo (if you don’t want to use the word smuggle)…… wouldn’t this make it the Great Deception ? The big Human Rights Princess buying embargoed gem stones, the cash helping the military junta to buy weapons to suppress their people
@Kate:

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@Different Guest:
If she was a courier, then WHY? She has millions of dollars, she can buy her own jewels. Why would she do that? Unless they were offering something in return of course, and I don’t think a simple passport could be the reason. Another child, something to do with Madd? And then why renege on the monetary contribution, a deal gone wrong?

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@benjaminbutton14:
Wow Ben…. you are some amazing nurse ! …… I admire people like you, because you can do things I would never be able to do, and we need people like you !

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@Tamara:
You can buy lots of jewels if you have the money…… but if you want the real exquisite one-of-a-kind piece…the collector’s item piece ….. you want something nobody else has….. because you are entitled to have the best the world has to offer

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BTW…. Burma also has the worlds most superb Sapphires ……

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@Different Guest:
…. a prosthetic fake pregnancy belly could hold a lot of gems……or you could put them under your weave … or what about just in your mouth …… should be easy enough if you have big lips and don’t say much….lol

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@Tamara:
Maybe as a way to work off the donation and keep them calm. I guess they didn’t want to take it out in trade….or didn’t put much value in the trade! Here is an excerpt from a blood ruby article (link below). It could well be diamonds, but given what we know, seems like another possibility too.

At the Leviev store in Old Bond Street, she was shown a £500,000 ring boasting a five-carat ruby set in diamonds. “Many collectors want Burmese [rubies],” said the sales assistant. “No one talks about diamonds any more, it’s all Burmese or coloured diamonds.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2558552.ece

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**************BREAKING****************

SECOND DEGREE MURDER CHARGES EXPECTED IN MICHAEL JACKSON’S DEATH WITHIN DAYS

Murder charges in Jacko’s death expected: Reports

Mon, July 20, 2009

Police tell Jackson’s family second-degree charges may take place within days

By SUN MEDIA NEWS SERVICES

Second-degree charges are expected in Michael Jackson’s death, according to a new report. (FILE PHOTO)

Charges of second-degree murder in the death of Michael Jackson are expected within days, according to a new report from Britain’s News of the World.

The popular tablod reports that police have told Jackson’s family that a criminal trial may take place after an autopsy found that he died from an overdose of Diprevan, a powerful painkiller.

The charges can be brought against the person who injected the drug into the Thriller pop star, and against the person who made the drugs available to the singer.

A long-time friend of Jackson’s, Terry Harvey, told News of the World: “The authorities have told the family the Drug Enforcement Administration are pushing for a criminal charge. It is likely to be second-degree murder, due to the actions which led to his death. They have been assured that someone, or maybe more than one person, will be brought to trial.

“The family are working with the DEA and Los Angeles Police Department to work out which doctor prescribed Michael these drugs and how far back this serious problem runs.”

Meanwhile, Jackson’s father, Joe Jackson, is determined to find out the cause of Jackson’s death.

“He and the rest of the family are serious about getting to the bottom of his son’s death and insists it’s foul play. It’s no secret that (tour promoters) AEG appointed a doctor to look after Michael’s welfare,” said Harvey.

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/Today/Music/2009/07/20/10199316.html

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@benjaminbutton14:
That better way REALLY well! thanks for the giggle. I can see you wrestling the dead guy to get his trousers on. Too funny. Thanks.

Given what you know, do you think they took all of MJ’s brain for testing? I have heard different reports.

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@Vittoria:
I meant PAY really well. Sorry for that.

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@Tamara:
She was wearing Harry Winston emeralds and they were FABULOUS!!!!!!!!

If I were involved in some chicanery with a certain specific jewel like ruby, that would be the last thing i would be seen in publicly.

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Some reports claiming, docs will not face charges; other reports indicate; they are pending. Which is the truth? Is saying no a Smokescreen?

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/Today/Music/2009/07/20/10199316.html

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jackson-legal19-2009jul19,0,6908980.story

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25804526-661,00.html

http://www.theinsider.com/news/2564663_Michael_Jackson_s_doctors_not_likely_to_face_murder_charges

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/07/20/2009-07-20_slay_raps_unlikely_in_jacko_death__report.html

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1616492/20090717/jackson_michael.jhtml

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@Ms Agatha:
Did you know that rubies are actually a type of sapphire? I didn’t until I was doing a little reading on the topic a few days back.

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@Vittoria:
Yes, only the red-colored forms of the mineral corundum are called Ruby …… any other color is called Sapphire ( they are not just blue )……… I would take them in any form or shape or color !…lol

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@Vittoria:
I think MJ is buried without the brain…. they took it completely out for testing

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@Vittoria:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jul/07/michael-jackson-buried-brain

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@Ms Agatha:
No doubt! Me too.
I have another question. There was some discussion of the FF site which puzzled me. I’ve been there a couple dozen times and I am very confused. They talk some wacky doodle stuff about people being programmed slaves. The other ones respond like it is common knowledge. What the hell are they talking about. It must be code for something, but I’m too ignorant to know what. WTF???? Is that a joke?

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@Ms Agatha:
That seems a bit extreme. I mean they solve decades old cases with some nasty old evidence of a snippet of DNA. Why couldn’t they do something like that instead of taking his head out?

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@Vittoria:
The brain tissue is needed for tracing drugs….. DNA sample will not help finding drug residue
Re.: Programmed slaves …. need a little more info…… can be many different things… let me know a little bit more

@Vittoria:

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@Vittoria:

That’s would I can find on mind controlled slaves

The Illuminati Formula Used to Create
an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave

by Cisco Wheeler and Fritz Springmeier

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/illuminati_formula_mind_control.htm

Mind control is a wide field and there are tons of thesis on the subject of mind control out there….some are wacko and some are scientificially established.

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@Ms Agatha:
what…oops

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@Vittoria:
…maybe that will help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati

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@Vittoria:
more background info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)

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@Ms Agatha:
Thanks I’ll read that stuff. I think they must be talking code for something else though. They talk crazy stuff like people make babies for this, etc. Like I said wacky doodle (and they say we’re nuts?). I’ll read what you linked though. Thanks.

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@Ms Agatha:
Okay, I looked at the wikipedia. It says that there is some new deal where the power will be in the hands of a select few. Hello????????? They are called the rich and they already rule everything and always have done. What is new about that? Still don’t get it. I’ll now read the other one.

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@Ms Agatha:
Okay, now I read the illumiwhatever. It sounds like it was a way to get rid of the ridiculous monarchies. I don’t blame them. @Vittoria:
Keane needs to set one up over in London to kicks those bums to the curb. I also saw that Winston Churchill and Goethe were part of it. I don’t think they were trying to hurt anyone. If Winnie did it, I’m all for it!
I started that other one, but it started talking about Nazis and mind control caca and I’m too tired to take it in tonight. I’ll give it a look when I’m a bit more mentally fresh. Those poor people were starving to death and didn’t even have any clothes or shoes in winter. I don’t think they had the strength for mind control games. that sounds a bit much don’t you think.

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@Vittoria:
To each his own….. lol

But , I am afraid, if you can stomach it…… read the whole thing tomorrow….. quite interesting what.s out there and people belief in…. have a good time….. I am going too, bedtime

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@Ms Agatha:
Thanks and I will. I genuinely like to understand things and I’ve never heard of this type of thing before.
Talk to you tomorrow after I absorb this. I’m too tired now and I need to be off as well.
Ciao for tonight.

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@Ms Agatha:
P.S. – Do they have one of those idiots guides for this? hahahaha. CG – come back and explain this por favor.
goodnight.

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@Vittoria:
buena notte…ciao

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@Vittoria:
bb14 I would say yes. well in this country they would. I would like to get a glimpse of AJ’s brain that would be a classic.

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Hello to all. Hope Ian comes back soon and starts with the Brangie news again.

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R@DebFrmHell:
Hey Deb we are as puzzled as everyone else but I know he is incredibly busy with his book your right now . Brange sure seems to be stepping up the PR with the dam to the dentist and stolen dresses yes? LOL Be interesting to see how IB does.

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@Kate:
“Brange sure seems to be stepping up the PR with the dam to the dentist and stolen dresses” Whhaaaaaa????? LOL. Hi Kate. I have been soooooo out of the loop on everything Brange! What kind of PR thing are they pulling now! Do I have to read back on all the threads to see what y’all are talking about?

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@DebFrmHell:
Hi Deb. And I thought I hadn’t been around in awhile! I’m right there with ya as far as hoping to see Ian/Sugar Ray soon! I keep checking … and waiting …

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@Vittoria:
I don’t know, never heard of it. But DebFrmHell is here maybe she will enlighten us? Hi Deb! Are you still here and can you explain? I’m glad to see one of the FF girls here, I really am. I’ve been checking the FF site for a couple days now and they have some really funny and articulate writers over there. A few bad seeds but then so do we! It would be great if we could all get along so we could cross reference our stories dontcha think? They call themselves Anti’s and I think thats a good word for it LOL I for one am very glad to see Deb!! I have posted a couple times under Ireallyam Tamara. Because you know, I really am! SAMCC

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@Togi:
He is soooo involved in his MJ media blitz right now. Can’t turn on the tv without seeing him these days. He sure is stirring up the pot isn’t he re the will and custody and everything. He is totally ANTI Debbie Rowe boy he slams her as a money grubbing ho.

Re the Brange, I think he has probably been told either by a gag order or by his publicist not to divulge any more info until the book comes out. After that I don’t know what he’ll do. If this blog was an effort to garner interest in his book I think he’s done that! LOL I think he was giving us tid bits from his book and that’s why he never came back to complete the thought as it were, meaning “Buy the book to find out the rest” LOL.

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@DebFrmHell:
Well its deb from hell. Visiting friends or slumming to get more nasty stuff to post behind our backs at FF?

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@ladybert62:
LOL Crrrrrrrraaaaaaack! That is the sound of my olive branch breaking in half! hahahahaha!!

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@Tamara:
Oh – didnt mean it to sound awful – just trying to figure out if “friend or foe”! Sometimes a direct question works best for me than I know how to respond in the future – I dont like surprises.

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@Different Guest:
I would appreciate it if you would source your claims, it’s easy to do, simply bend over and look up your ass. I’m sure your ass is overflowing with statistics and documentation. I am also curious as to what degrees you possess that qualify you to speak with such authority on the subject of the success or failure of cross cultural adoptions. Though you obviously thought you came across as an authoritative voice on the matter, in reality, you came across as a bitter racist old cunt who is as out of touch with the intricacies of adoption as well as race relations. Our society is stratified along racial lines? Take the white sheet off darling, this is 2009, we no longer burn crosses. Be prepared for your child to reject you? Godfuck, you are a bitch. I know you would never say that to my face or I would fucking knock the remaining teeth out of your mouth.

It would disturb me if you have children different guest. Yet more junior racists who won’t have the necessary skills to get my order right at Burger King. Joy! What a fucking stupid bitch you are. We don’t come to your job and tell you how to suck cocks, please don’t come here and tell smarter people than you how to run their lives. Fuck you, different guest, you pitiful racist. Come one back and post with me, I want to dig deep and examine what a fucking cunt you are today. This psychology degree is just burning my asshole waiting for you.

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@ladybert62:
I thought – Dang Ms Hawk – good morning to you too! hahahahaha!! When exactly is sweet hubby coming home? SAMCC

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@Tamara:
Are you trying to politely tell me that I am cranky without him? Ha ha – probably true! He returns sometime next week (yet to be determined). Guess I am tried of doing all household chores by myself! Just goes to show you are a much nicer person than I am – my claws were showing? Really didnt mean it as nasty just a question – directness sames time and blows a lot of hot air away! Must be the aries taking over – have to go read my horoscope for today! SAMCC!

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@Tamara:
Careful of the use of that word “Dang”! Thats a hotspot for ridicule by Ms. Deb at FF!

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@ladybert62:
Sigh – I know what you mean…my hubby is on the road all week- blah!!

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What’s the matter, Different Guest, Cat got your tongue?

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Where did everybody go? Probably off ironing their white sheets while watching Leni Riefenstahl classics if I had to guess.

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@Keane’s Cat:
We are not Nazi sympathizers – regardless of what you believe or your fellow haters at FF.

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@ladybert62:
Lurkers from Female First – I dont care if you didn’t like this response to Deb Frm Hell. I dont like what she and you have said about me and other IUC posters at FF; you have the right to say whatever you want, but I have the right to call you out on it.

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@ladybert62:
Then quit reading it. I think you get off on being mentioned outside of this shithole that is IUC. Furthermore, if you want to call out anybody why not call out Keane for being a retarded little ass monkey or Kate for filling up these threads with a fat slab of simpering bullshit, or different guest for being a racist bitch? I don’t know ladybert, I like you, really I do, you have always been nice to me. I just wonder if you are clearly seeing who is the antagonist here? At the end of the day I find different guest’s comments to be some of the most hurtful I’ve seen on this site not to mention completely false. Defend who you want, this is up to you.

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@Keane’s Cat:
I will thanks.

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@Keane’s Cat:

So racism = evil (not that Different Guest is of course), but it’s just A-OK to denigrate people on low incomes working in fast food restaurants huh? They’re just second class citizens not fit for you to wipe your feet on right? Can you see any problem with that position at all kitty cat? Nope, I thought that would be way too much for your ignorant little brain. And as for your charming post, don’t you and all your little FF cronies love to say how appallingly foul my language is? It’s totally fine for you to use it (and much worse) though right? You and your friends give new meaning to the word “hypocrisy”, but you are all far too stupid to see it.

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@Keane’s Cat:

And oh so you need a degree to be informed to give your opinion on anything now? That’s ironic seeing as you spend your life ripping the sh*t out of mine! But now we all need degrees to speak on specific subjects now do we, and if we don’t then we should keep our mouth shut right? Excellent well I don’t suppose you will be making much more of a contribution here then. If you don’t have a degree on the subject, you are not qualified to speak about it right? Got it. You set the rule my friend, best make sure you play by them from now on.

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Go Keane!

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@Keane’s Cat:

Oh and threats of violence to other posters to top it all off too? You really are a dream contributor here aren’t you? I always think it’s a good idea when you claim to be taking the moral high ground, to throw in the odd threat of knocking someone out at the same time. It can only solidify your moral superiority! Congratulations kitty cat, you are showing your true colours in spectacular style. If you have a degree in psychology and actually pursued a career in the mental health profession I fear greatly for the well-being of your clients, but I think we can rest assured that you probably never made the grade. Stick to trying to make witty, highly offensive comments about gay people, women who don’t match up to your ideals of physical beauty or who don’t have boyfriends, you were ever so slightly more successful at that. It’s a bit late to play the racism card after all your repulsive homophobic comments. In case you had forgotten, I think “all that fag talk” was a favourite. But I’m sure someone as ignorant and repellant as you would see no contradicton there. You have to have a brain for that after all.

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@Keane’s Cat:

So you respond to her “hurtful” posts by calling her a “c*nt” and threatening to knock her out? Can you be any more stupid? I’ve heard it all now.

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@Kate:
AAaaaahhhh. Thanks Kate! Now I once again have hope. I was afraid there, for awhile, that Navin Johnson (The Jerk, for those of you old enough to remember that 1979 movie!!! LOL) was a figment of my imagination!

All I can say to all this bi-racial adoption debate is WOW! I guess I must be terribly naive … I thought people were people. Yeah, we look different and think different. But shoot. Here I thought love was love and kids don’t turn on love because they look different. Ummmm. I hear all the “trained professionals’” war-in-the-trenches stories. But I’m afraid I’m with TobyCat and even KEANE’S CAT on this one! It’s all going to stop some day … we may as well be the ones who continue putting a stop to it. God never said the right thing to do was the easy thing to do!

Keane’s Cat: While I don’t agree with your rough language towards Different Guest, I agree with you on this racial issue. Just be a nice kitty. I love cats.

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Keane you ignorant piece of fetid shit, I have posted a few times at ff, they don’t like me there so I didn’t bother with it. In reality, you are just too much fun for me to resist. You can spare your righteous indignation at my supposed denigration of low income fast food workers, gays, and pretty much every other group that you mentioned. You should have spent more time at Oxford developing some semblance of a sense of humor you clueless fuckwad. If you weren’t so dense you would realize that I am in fact quite attracted to you in a lesbian way as I frequently like slumming for no strings attached muff diving.

And yes, I stand by my characterization of different guest as a racist cunt, like you Keane, I call them like I see them. You may have a few defenders on this site Keane but really did you ever ask yourself why do people seem to hate you so much? And it’s not just a selected group of malcontents, it is pretty much everybody. Could we all be wrong? Are you truly the well educated, classy, sexy lesbian that you portray yourself as or are you the repugnant, tedious, waste of human flesh that most of us have experienced? You know how I vote. Now I will go back to my life and leave you to sit at the computer for the next ten hours formulating some verbose response to an audience who only pays attention so we can mock your incredible retardation. You suck at life Keane.

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Hello all, i’m back from my surgery. Still not able to sit up for long though, but was trying to catch up on the news.
As for MJ, May he Rest in Peace SOON! As for purchasing further material on his life, i feel no need to now that the media has spent every nearly waking hour covering every detail of his life/death. There is nothing left to discover in print imo.
St. Ange has blown her disguise as the perfect mother now i see, Horray! I hope she and Holly enjoy their lives as a couple in the open, rather than building their family undercover of a beard .. aka.. Brad. BTW, am i the only one who sees a likeness between Brad Pitt and Jon Gosselin? Selfish, narcissistic, whoremongers? Ah, such is life.
As to the FF Fanatics who live not for open , honest discussion, but for the adrenalyn rush of battle….go home. We’re not interested in fighting as much as enlightenment here. I won’t call you names, discuss your imagined weight issues, or your parentage, it’s not my business, but it is my business when you bash us openly on your favorite site FF, then come here to gather more “ammo” to run back to the clique to stir more chyt about innocent chatters here. Your mother’s must be very proud of how you turned out. If you come in peace, you will be accepted in peace, but truth is above all important.
Kate, hope your mom is doing well.
Keane, i see you are a true celebrity still hun. Many are so abnormally interested in you that i worry for you at times. Only others i saw who commanded such attention were either world leaders, or major celebrities…either way….as i say to Jennifer Aniston’s blogs…Rock On!
IAN, SR, Mz….Come Homeeeeeeeeeeeee! I feel like an abandoned child here…..
Love you all highly intelligent, interesting people. And my wish for us ALL here is peace. Let it begin with one and perhaps spread to the entire world one day

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@Togi:
Yes, my language was harsh and to some offensive, I agree. At the same time I find it incredibly offensive to attack a woman who, as Tobykat described, went through so much to provide a loving, nurturing home to a child who may never have found one otherwise. Telling a woman to be prepared for ultimately being rejected by her child is about the bitchiest thing I’ve heard on the internetz for some time now. And then the racist characterization of society by different guest who, apparently, was speaking for all of American society. This stratification of race may be her experience but it is not mine. She does not speak for me, she does not speak for my family, she does not speak for my friends and I was offended to see her feeble attempts to do so. Again, I apologize if my language was harsh, however, I find the racist ideas different guest espouses to be much more damaging than a four letter word.

I respect any woman who tries so hard to make a loving family for someone who may not have the chance to experience that in their life. I find this to be noble and the true test of a person’s humanity. To make baseless attacks on a person such as Tobykat is as repugnant to me as getting a faceful of Keane’s hairy beef sweater.

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@Patty anne:
Patty Anne – I am glad to see you back! I hope you dont have too much pain and that your surgery was successful. You post was right on and said things in a very nice way – I was not so diplomatic (one of my many failings that I continually have to work on!). Hope to talk to you again soon ….

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@Patty anne:
Congratulations on your new spine. XOXOXOXO

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@Keane’s Cat:

Wow, nobody even liked you at FF??? Hahahahhah!!!!! That just about says it all doesn’t it. Keane’s Cat I take my hat off to you, your ability to condemn yourself with your own words surpasses even that of Mia! And you are brazen enough to accuse ME of not having a sense of humour???? After the months you’ve spent trying desperately to say something funny about anything and anyone and only ever managing to come up with a few lame as hell jokes about fat people and lesbians that didn’t raise so much as a titter??!! Oh Keane’s Cat, I pity you I really do! But yes you are right, I must remind myself to laugh at homophobia, offensive comments about fat people, people on low incomes, oh and maybe we’ll throw in people with disabilities and mental health issues just for kicks shall we, but will remember to always act shocked and outraged at the merest suggesttion that anyone, anywhere might say anything remotely racist right? And then I will cement my position on the moral high ground by calling said person a “c*mt” and offeng to knock them out for good measure. Hey, racism is evil after all and deserves a response invoving violence but gay-bashing is just a bit of a laugh hey? Yeah, perfect.

And darling, as for your utterly devastating comment that a bunch of tossers on the interwebs who I wouldn’t piss on if they were on fire don’t like me, all I can say is thank the Lord! If I were liked by someone as vile as you and everyone else like you I would end it all. You are scum, and I am more than happy to be loathed by you as I loathe you. Now run back off to wherever you came from kitty, some day you’ll find a website repulsive enough to be accepted in. I believe there is a site called http://www.belch.com or something like it which would suit you down to a tee. May you flourish with your own kind.

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@Patty anne:

So pleased to hear you made it through to the other side – was worried about you there for a while! Get well soon my lovely x

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@Keane’s Cat:

Bingo Keane’s Cat, always good to end a noble post about anti-racism with a vile sexual insult. YOU TRULY ROCK AT LIFE! Best of luck finding somewhere to be accepted on the interwebs. You are sure going to need it.

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@Keane Cyber Queen Supreme:
Fuck off Keane, you’re trying too hard. If you truly don’t care, I challenge you to quit reading and posting here for, let’s say, a week. I doubt that you can resist.

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@Keane’s Cat:

“Now I will go back to my life and leave you to sit at the computer for the next ten hours…” – Keane’s Cat

Oh no you didn’t!!!! I knew you would never be able to manage it! I hate to break it to you KC but I’m here to chat to my cyber friends, you know the ones you have categorically failed to make on any board? Yeah, no, I didn’t think you’d understand that concept. Don’t burn too many brain cells trying to get your head around it! And could I just remind you that you came here purely to taunt me and even did me the honour of naming yourself after me – that is the sum total of your existence. And you dare to try to deride someone else’s life?! Now, now, don’t get all shirty because most people type and think ten times as fast as you are capable of. And thanks for the “f*ck off”, always a good sign that someone has been resoundingly trounced in an argument. Great show KC, go spray your scent on a