Sugar Ray Ramone Catone (The Bronx Bi-Blogger) – Devil In The Blue Dress
Child was an outsider…pip smoking country squire…deprived her of her childhood…sex movie use of her body…made Angie’s arms black and blue…cold distance in public…anger and rage in private…battering old man…cut off Ange’s contact with rest of world…Midnight Cowboy hustler scumbag…exposed bare skin…played with kids in his lap…women in his life were sexually jealous…wilderness version of a distraught familiale…Ange depressed at age 7…daydreaming refuge from her past…nervous and scared…needed a Rolling Stone…needed to get stoned…no imaginary lines…depressed and suicidal…bad luck to cross paths with Jack “The Ripper” Nicholsen…quest for fame…more lonely than Janis Joplin…less loved than brother James…ashamed of the never faded blue dress…The Ripper written all over it…Fe, fe, fi, fi, fo, fo, fum
Looking mighty nice, here she comes
Wearing a wig, hat and shades to match
Got her high heeled sneakers and her alligator hat
Wearing her pearls and her diamond ring
Got bracelets on her fingers now and everything
Te Amo, SRRC
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So many people, inc. myself, believe AJ was sexually abused. I don’t want to think the guilty party is her own father. But it appears to be the case.
But I’m confused about the Jack Nicholson connection. I know he’s not one to be crossed, but when did this happen?
So brother James was more loved than Angie! Yet, somehow he remains the love of her life, according to what I’ve read.
Was she in a sex film where violence was prominently used?
Have no idea about a blue dress.
ReplyHer old man isolated her, causing her much fear, anger and loneliness, which she relieved by drugs?
ReplyJust askin”
Hmmm. A Grateful Dead song. Devil With a Blue Dress On … or something like that. I’ll check my music real quick!
ReplyYep … Devil with the Blue Dress is the Grateful Dead song! Heee . Yah me! Here are the full lyrics.
Devil with the blue dress, blue dress, blue dress
Devil with the blue dress on
Fe, fe, fi, fi, fo, fo, fum
ReplyLooking mighty nice, here she comes
Wearing a wig, hat and shades to match
Got her high heeled sneakers and her alligator hat
Wearing her pearls and her diamond ring
Got bracelets on her fingers now and everything
Yep … Devil With a Blue Dress
Wearing her perfume, Chanel Number Five
She got to be the finest girl alive
She walks real cool catches everybody’s eye
She got good lovin’, she can take it high
Not too skinny, she’s not too fat
She’s a real humdinger and I like it like that
Ashamed of her never-faded blue dress. I assume this means she was ALWAYS and the prowl, looking fine and hot, but all the while ashamed of herself as well. JMO, of course.
ReplyMan, o man … it sounds like she was used for freaking child porn! Good God, Sugar! Is that what you are saying here? “sex movie use of her body…made Angie’s arms black and blue” That at age 7, she was forced into child porn? By who? Her father, the Midnight Cowboy JV? Or was the “pip (sp????) smoking country squire” someone else?
ReplyOkay, Alif … where did you go?????? I feel so all a-l-o-n-e here! Tap, tap, tap. Good thing my pretty little kitties are hanging around making trouble for me!
ReplyThat “Devil In the Blue Dress” also comes from Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels. Good catch, all. Ange had to become a vamp in the “blue dress” for her primary indentity came from gaining attention from daddy and daddy’s friends “that” way. “Blue dress” also tarnished via Jack scum in figure-ative way ala Monica’s blue dress via Clinton’s “scum.” Daddy liked to have his two kids sit on his lap when he was in the nude. Kinda freaked out his lady friends. Held captive by daddy’s fame, she plummeted into drugs and depression. Being w/ MJ was easy compared to being w/ Jack N…who (it is rumored) can be sadistic. Homemade/private film w/ Ange in a compromising position….coming away w/ more than a physical bruise, but emotional scars, leading to more acting-out. Now overtly shuts daddy out of life (’icey”) and is still in rage over childhood w/ him on many levels.
“Country Squire” who smokes a pipe? Only one I can think of is Paul M…who went that “country squire” way w/ weed pipes…but don’t know how he’d fit into story other than being another musician who took Ange into his temporary “fold.” But, that’s a stretch. Did he ever cheat on Linda? Will be thinking this part over carefully.
ReplyThe following are my opinions based upon SR’s clues:
Child was an outsider… Jolie felt like outsider because of what her father did to her.
pip smoking country squire… smoking a pipe is sometimes a euphamism for giving oral sex. Country squire is a term used in the UK for a gentleman?
deprived her of her childhood… made to have sexual contact at a young age.
sex movie use of her body… someone made her act as if in a porno movie or told her that she was acting in a movie (probably actor father).
made Angie’s arms black and blue… rough sex.
cold distance in public… dichotomy between what was happening in private and how father acted toward her in public
anger and rage in private… Father was abusive
battering old man… physically violent
cut off Ange’s contact with rest of world… typical abusive behavior. Separate abuse victim people from others, particularly those who may get wind of abuse and report it.
Midnight Cowboy hustler scumbag… Jon Voight’s most famous role is in MIdnight Cowboy. Hustler is a male prostitute or theif.
exposed bare skin… probably exposed his genitals around his kids
played with kids in his lap… ewwww….got sexual arousal from having his children on his lap and genitals.
women in his life were sexually jealous… His women knew about his sexual exploits with others and maybe with his children?
wilderness version of a distraught familiale… Not sure about this one.
Ange depressed at age 7… would be depressed from abuse.
daydreaming refuge from her past… wanting to escape abuse
nervous and scared…
needed a Rolling Stone… Mick Jagger reference again?
needed to get stoned… looking for drugs or refuge from Mick Jagger? Was Jagger a friend/lover of Jolie’s mother?
no imaginary lines… taking real drugs? No boundaries between adults and children in Jolie’s childhood?
depressed and suicidal…
bad luck to cross paths with Jack “The Ripper” Nicholsen… He has a questionable past. The woman his grandmother told him was his sister turned out to actually be his mother. Nicholsen has been rumored to have used a lot of drugs and slept with a boatload of women. Could Jack have introduced her to cutting? Does ripper mean taking her virginity?
quest for fame…
more lonely than Janis Joplin… No good parental or role models around. Janis over dosed, I believe.
less loved than brother James…
ashamed of the never faded blue dress… Reference to Monica Lewinksky’s blue dress from the WJC scandal? Monica wore gap blue dress that was stained by their sexual relations and it became the center of the scandal since there could be DNA on it. Devil with the Blue dress is a song (I think) written about Marilyn Monroe.
The Ripper written all over it… ripped dress or a dress that got shredded by cutting like Jolie used to do as she reported herself. Did someone else cut her?
Fe, fe, fi, fi, fo, fo, fum
Looking mighty nice, here she comes
Wearing a wig, hat and shades to match
Got her high heeled sneakers and her alligator hat
Wearing her pearls and her diamond ring
Got bracelets on her fingers now and everything
“Devil with a Blue Dress” was written by Mitch Ryder in 1966.
ReplyAlright. All on my lonesome I’m going to take a preliminary stab at this one.
Obviously, this is another piece of the horrific affair that allegedly was AJ’s life. Sooooo, here goes.
At age 7, she was already an outsider in her own home. A pipe smoking country squire (someone from the south … land of tobacco and squiredom) forced her to grow up fast. She was forced into some form of child pornography (sex movie use of her body…made Angie’s arms black and blue). The man was cold and distance in public, but inside, in private, he raged with anger. He beat his family, cut off Ange’s contact with rest of world. He was a Midnight Cowboy hustler scumbag .. which points pretty directly, or so it would seem, to AJ’s father, JV. He exposed himself and diddled thekids while they were on his lap. This caused a lot of sexual jealousy between AJ and her mother. They were an isolated, distraught family.
Then it goes on to AJ — Ange depressed at age 7…daydreaming refuge from her past…nervous and scared Self explanatory.
Her need for sex grew (…needed a Rolling Stone); her need for drugs developed (…needed to get stoned).
…no imaginary lines…
She was depressed and suicidal… and had the misfortune of crossing paths with with Jack “The Ripper” Nicholsen, who, I believe, was a friend of JV.
AJ began her quest for fame. But still, she was terribly lonely and less loved than brother James. She continued her seductive ways but could never forget her past with Nicholson.: “…ashamed of the never faded blue dress…The Ripper written all over it…Fe, fe, fi, fi, fo, fo, fum
Looking mighty nice, here she comes
Wearing a wig, hat and shades to match
Got her high heeled sneakers and her alligator hat
Wearing her pearls and her diamond ring
Got bracelets on her fingers now and everyth
The last part is the Grateful Dead’s song.
ReplyAs people have pointed out many times, would her father go on television, and release statements in the media, stating that his daughter needed help if he himself had abused her and had, at least partially, caused her those problems?
He would potentially be outing himself to the world. I just don’t buy that.
Reply@JinxyGal:
I worked with a lot of physically abused women. I would often be shocked when I met their abusers because they regularly came off as extremely polite and ingratiating. IMO, Jon Voight’s publicized plea for Jolie to get help could have been to discredit her. In my work, I would often hear the abuser or alleged rapist calling the victim crazy. As soon as I heard the “she’s crazy” line, it raised a red flag. By the same token, Voight could feel guilty about his behavior and he could also have genuine love and concern for her at this point. Not everyone is so black and white. A lot of time has gone by. Or, he also might just be a really good actor.
Reply@JinxyGal: In the “real” world a parent wouldn’t go on TV and plead for their child to “get help”, etc. That, to me at least, indicates how JV has no shame. What a pathetic way to try to “help” his daughter. Part of his problem (their problem) is that he has taken advanatge of her recent “success” and has a big mouth…he knows no boundaries, which is partially why she has none. How disgusting he was in that sobby-like desperate interview!
Reply@BigApplette: Your take on his possible guilt makes sense, too. He also lacks a “sensivity chip” in many ways. He may be concerned, ashamed, guilty, etc…but I felt from that interview forward that something was amiss beyond her anger that he had told everyone she had adopted Maddox when she wanted it to be a “secret” for a while…and then he announced it…stealing either her thunder or plans to unveil the news when she ws ready. Either way, he disregarded her privacy…but that just can’t be the main trigger for her wrath toward him.
ReplyI was under the impression Jon Voight left them when they were quite young and Marcia Lynne went on to have a revolving door of boyfriends. Anyone know when he “left”? Or is this not correct?
ReplyJanis Joplin interview with David Dalton of Rolling Stone;
Reply“ I’m a victim of my own insides. There was a time when I wanted to know everything…It used to make me very unhappy, all that feeling. I just didn’t know what to do with it. But now I’ve learned to make that feeling work for me. I’m full of emotion and I want a release, and if you’re on stage and if it’s really working and you’ve got the audience with you, it’s a oneness you feel. “
@luka: JV left when she was 2. Not around much at all. She felt like an outcast at her schools for a long time. Her mother didn’t have a lot of $ and AJ initially felt inferior at BH High…had to shop at used clothing stores. Where JV was at w/ child support — I don’t understand. Maybe the initial “outcast” clue on this blog refers to how she felt not only from daddy but in the world in general. Maybe the “country squire” who smoked a pipe is a reference to a teacher of some sort who may have molested her? Maybe another stretch. This “country squire” thing really stumps me.
ReplyAngelina Jolie (born Angelina Jolie Voight on June 4, 1975)
ReplyBertrand married actor Jon Voight on December 12, 1971
Bertrand and Voight separated in 1976 and divorced in 1978
AJ was 1 when they separated 3 when they divorced. This is not about JV.
I assume SR has a spell checker. It’s pip not pipe. SR is that a typo?
Reply@testing123: Just a thought…tho’ JV wasn’t around a lot, AJ still (as did James) spend some time w/ him. She was in a film w/ him when very young.
Reply@SZ:
True enough SZ but there wasn’t much time spent together. MB moved them to NYC very soon after the divorce. There was hardly any contact until after she moved back to LA. They were living with Bill Day for 12 years and split the time between LA and NYC.
ReplyI got this stuff here, but the dates don’t seem to line up. Bill Day isn’t that old???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcheline_Bertrand
Reply@testing123: Correct. I believe they returned to LA full time when she was 11. Did Bill Day smoke a pipe…of any sort? Don’t know much about him.
Reply@testing123: Seems to be nothing substantial about Bill Day to research. Hmm. Wonder what his age, bachground, etc. was? (Thanks for link…note he’s the only person mentioned w/out a link.)
ReplyHer old man left the family when Angie was just two years old……@Alif:
Replypip1 definition pip (pip)
http://www.yourdictionary.com/pip
noun
1.a small seed, as of an apple, pear, or orange
Reply2.Slang a person or thing much admired
Etymology: contr. < pippin
I looked up pip smoker and it said something about a complusive smoker. I think if Voight abused Jolie she would let everyone know, she seems to like using the shock value, If she cares for her kids she needs to get some serious help. Movies just don’t cut it as therapy. Those kids shoule be her top priority not the “poor me” syndrome.
Reply@ pip smoking country squire = marijuana smoking Englishman
@ Midnight Cowboy hustler scumbag = Eventually, through an interesting turn of events, Joe and Ratso begin living together in an abandoned apartment complex that Ratso has been squatting in. Things begin with Ratso using his fiendish ways to help Joe clean his clothes, steal food and start to get back into the hustling business. But later, when winter sets in on the city and Ratso gets a fever and stops walking well, Joe is forced to take care of this scumbag turned best friend. This occurs when Joe has just had sex with a woman for money he met at a tripped out drug party, and his hustling business seems to be gaining steam again
Replyhttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064665/usercomments?start=170
this story of rape can explain why she wants to protect children around the world.
ReplyI don’t know, but i keep coming back to what we’ve learned about the life Marcia Lynne Voight lived with her two children in New York. Multiple b/f’s coming and going, total lack of moral sense and / or example to her two young children. Perhaps it was she who was into drug parties with her man b/f with the two kids looking on, could have occured that one of her many b/f’s was a pedophile and molested Angie sexually, even filming her. Marcia Lynne was the custodial parent, i’d think more likely what horrible events occured to Angie, occured at home under her mother’s supervision rather than her father who left them when Angie was two y/o and worked and lived on the other coast. If in fact anything such as that occured with father, it wouldn’t be possible to be an everyday, controlling event, as he had a separate life, social circle, work scenario that didn’t allow him all that much time to control his subject as a true molester feels compelled to do…jmo though
ReplyI just noticed Jolie in the photo on the other story about her being pregnant. That was from last year when she was in her third trimester. If she was supposedly suffering from swelling as reports had it, why is she wearing a ring and why was she constantly wearing very high heels?
ReplyCountry Squire was the brand name of a station wagon with fake wood paneling. Maybe something happened in a Country Squire–PIP smoking, not pipe smoking. Pip is the name of the young orphan in Great Expectations, it’s also a plant–Lily of the Valley starts are called pips, also a feeling of annoyance in British slang.
ReplyThere’s also a character named Jaggers in Great Expectations–a lawyer.
ReplyDidn’t Jon Voigt live next door to Marsha Lynn, James Haven and Angelina for a time, before moving away?
ReplyI am jsut speculating, and this is just my opinion.
This is Very odd for a producer/director. There is nothing on this guy Bill Day. I just spent an hour looking for a birth date and came up empty.
ReplyBill Day and Marceline Bertrand (Marcia Lynne )
In 1978, Bertrand met documentary filmmaker Bill Day (Saviors of the Forest and Missionary Positions, among others). Day and Bertrand lived together for 12 years in Beverly Hills and New York City. Numerous miscarriages ended their hopes of having their own children. As business partners in Woods Road Productions, they developed a film project called Amazonia and sold it to film director Ridley Scott, but the project never took off.
After her split from Day in 1993, Bertrand turned her attention toward producing
Where/How First Met in Los Angelas
Other Notable Facts Lived together for 12 in Los Angelas and New York City
http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrities/couples/profile/bill-day-and-marcheline-bertrand.htm
I too did several searches for DOB for Bill Day and found none
Replybill day
Replyhttp://marchelinebertrand.blogspot.com/2007/02/marcheline-was-benevolent-force-in-many.html
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0451127/
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0206347/
we discussed this guy in a previous post. why did aj never bring him up?
Okay, he moved in with Marcia Lynne in 1978, thus making Angie about three years old. Several of his films ( yes, he was a film maker, possibly photographed angie??) are of a rather raunchy vein, i.e. Missionary Positions) He lived with Marcia Lynne until 1993, so he would have been the only live-in father figure a young angie had. Possibly the Midnight Cowboy Hustler Scumbag was in reference to him considering his occupation, convience to angie??? jmo@Patty Anne:
ReplyI am not feeling Jon Voight as the perp here. Of course it could have all happened during her visitation with him, but I think most likely it was happening at her moms house and with the revolving door of boyfriends. I think the PIP is a typo, and because of the era and the HW influence it was probably marijuana and not tobacco and might be when she started craving the drugs, someone must have thought it was cute to blow smoke in her face or something who knows. Because of the blue dress reference seeming like Lewinsky I imagine she probably gave oral sex to Jack the Ripper and was ashamed of it after.
ReplyIt’s so odd to me that Jolie always speaks of her mother as a “single mother.” Actually, it doesn’t seem like her mother was EVER single. It’s been written that Bill Day was living with Marcia very soon after the divorse but she would not marry him because she did not want to give up alimony from Voight.
ReplyCould the reference to JH having been more loved than AJ mean he was sexually abused (or loved in someone’s sick mind) more than his sister?
Reply@Patty Anne:
Yes, agree. I think she was sexually abused at the age of 7. By her mother boyfriend/s? Thus depressed?
Cross path with Jack the ripper Nicholsen – quest for fame = Did something she ashamed off in quest for fame in blue dress? To get part in the movies? To be famous?
Lonely than Janis Joplin = Addicted to heroin to forget?
ReplyThis post just makes me sad. If what is implied here is true, it’s horrible – no child should have their childhood and innocence taken from them. No wonder Angie is screwed up.
Did you guys see that Ian is mentioned in Page Six today? It’s his reporting on the owner of Cirque du Soliel. Congrats Ian!!!!
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05282009/gossip/pagesix/cirque_de_soleil_creator_called_cheater_171270.htm
ReplyBill Day is 56 or so I believe. Saw it on a people search.
ReplyWhen I googled the phrase “pip smoking country squire” I got references to Ian Hay’s book “Pip: A Romance of Youth”
http://books.google.com/books?id=mF8QAAAAYAAJ&dq=Pip+a+Romance+of+Youth&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=sSjtPiWXmP&sig=1W80nmf_IuDwuZ36uMoI9kCwSF0&hl=en&ei=pZIeSvvAOIHksgPTu8iMCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPP1,M1.
I don’t have time to read it right now, and this most likely is unrelated, but Sugar Ray often uses literary references, so just in case…
ReplyIn most of the interviews JH and AJ usually credit JV with years of mental abuse aimed at their mother and that seems to be the nucleous of their bad feeling for him. I’ve never heard them discuss physical abuse in relation to JV rather they hate him because they think he was horrible to their mother.
Did Marcheline have an affair with Nicholson I wonder??
ReplyThis is the type of shit that Bill Day filmed:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0206347/
A film maker with access to cameras and film, etc.
Reply@Angie’s Fax Machine:
From “Taboo” page: Simply put this program is about how certain rituals, food, religion, etc. can be completely normal for one culture, but “taboo” for another.
This program is a very informative watch, and gives insight into other cultural norms from all over the globe. It makes you look at the world in a different way, and ponder how your own culture may seem entirely baffling to someone who lives elsewhere in the world.
This show is not for the squeamish, it does not hold back, and in my opinion shouldn’t. It may be disgusting, gory, and odd to some viewers, but it a way of life for a group of people somewhere. These rituals are apart of the culture of the group, tribe, etc, and should remain as close to what occurs as possible.
Perfect program for someone looking to gain insight into the lives of other people, and better understand the world as a whole.
Reply@Angie’s Fax Machine:
@stinky-inky:
Not really sure if that’s the same Bill Day Marcheline dated. According to IMDB his work in film began in 1988 in the movie Tapeheads. Not really sure this is him.
Reply@Patty Anne:
ReplyIDK, AJ was very close to her mother. So was her brother JH. It’s hard to believe that they would have adored her so much if she was letting them be abused. Also, in SR’s riddle there is no reference to MB.
IMO
Another Angelie Jolie story filled with sex,rape,pedophilia,suicide,drugs,and incest. Another day a new perverted story. I really thought this was a gossip site. Where is the gossip? Why do these stories always seems to be centered around child molestation and rape? Ian do you get off on this? I’m starting to think your just the monster you claim Jolie to be. I ‘m all for gossip but, this isn’t anything new. You have basically said the same things over and over again ,it all usually revolves around Angelina Jolie’s youth and perversion. If all these stories are true.. Which I doubt they have one shred of truth to them. Then, I feel very sorry for Jolie. Noone deserves this to happen to them. Futhermore, some things are off limits .
Reply@sugar: The return!
ReplyAJ actually grew up in Palisades, NY in an area known as Sneden’s Landing about 30 minutes north of the city. Maybe they moved to NYC after the divorce for a few years or maybe they rented in Palisades but eventually MB bought a house in Sneden’s Landing in 1981 per this article Where Did Angelina Jolie Live in Rockland”. She would have been 6 at the time and therefore went to elementary school in Tappan, NY
http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061018/CUSTOM04/610180317/1277
Lots of actors did and currently live in this area.
Also, Springsteen recorded Devil with the Blue Dress as part of the No Nukes album in 79/80 and there was a film. Was Marcheline or Bill Day associated with this in any way?
Reply@meg:
ReplyI call BS. Whatever her sordid past was it has nothing to do with “protecting children around the world”. That is for PR purposes ONLY IMO.
This is about the only comprehensive site I could find on Bill Day. Shows a list of his movies and a trailer for each. Theres even a picture of him halfway down the page on the right hand side, the only image I could find. Hes obscure!!
http://www.jaman.com/director/Bill-Day/
ReplyJust to add – here’s a snippet from a NY Times article on Sneden’s Landing that mentions some of the stars that live(d) there.
Although many articles have been written about the celebrities who lived or still live in the Sneden’s Landing section – Al Pacino, Mikhail Baryshnikov, William Hurt, Diane Keaton, Pinchas Zuckerman and others – some of the people who grew up there say the stars and the attention they have brought detract from the Rockland County hamlet’s charm.
Replyhttp://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/13/realestate/if-you-re-thinking-of-living-in-palisades.html
Re the fi fi fo fo fum, of course most of us would finish that with I smell the blood of an Englishman right? Heres what Wikipedia says:
The latter two verses of the left version are the most famous in popular culture.
In William Shakespeare’s play King Lear, the character of Edgar exclaims:
Fie, foh, and fum,
I smell the blood of a British man.
The phrase clearly makes use of the archaic word “fie”, used to express disapproval.[3] This word is used repeatedly in Shakespeare’s works, King Lear himself shouting, “Fie, fie, fie! pah, pah!” and the character of Mark Antony (in Antony and Cleopatra) simply exclaiming “O fie, fie, fie!” The word “fum” has sometimes been interpreted as “fume”.[1] Formations such as “fo” and “foh” are perhaps related to the expression “pooh!”, which is used by one the giants in Jack the Giant-Killer;[2] such conjectures largely indicate that the phrase is of imitative origin, rooted in the sounds of flustering and anger.
Reply@Caribsmom:
If that’s the same Bill Day, then this is also him:
http://www.funnyordie.com/smilingzebra
Reply@Angie’s Fax Machine:Im having difficulty coming up with pictures of him, are you? Ive found some articles, and of course the one in Remembrance of Marcheline where he calls her the Wine, but not much else.
ReplyGoing back to the Fe Fi Fo Fum, this could mean the Country Squire was English. AJ;s godparents are Maximillian Schell and Jacqueline Bissett. Schell was German (or Austrian) and acted with Jon Voight in the Odessa File in 1974. Bissett is British isn’t she??
ReplyINteresting trivia – Bisset was in MAMS but her scenes didn’t make it to the fnal cut.
ReplyThis is very sad. I felt like crying while reading it. Idk who the perp is supposed to be, but I grew up in a house where there was lots of partying among the adults and lots of drunk and high men hanging around and I’ll just say…please don’t raise your kids in that kind of environment. There are more pedos out there than anyone realizes.
Reply@stinky-inky:
ReplyThat’s an anthropology TV series for National Geographic. Sounds pretty interesting.
@jeannie:
ReplySad but true and usually someone you wouldn’t expect.
@meg..your not saving them if you exploit them and raise them in the same enviroment.
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ReplySomeone mentioned oral sex w/ Jack…then ashamed? That sounds like a good one. May have been first time she gave anyone that sort of thing? Bill Ray sounds like a very plausible perp in story. Still stuck on the “country squire” part, tho’. Not completely ruling daddy out on other elements — yet.
ReplyChild abuse could explain a lot of her behavior.. drugs, cutting, lack of clear identity or purpose, creating an overly wild or sexual demeanor, perhaps even a fakeone.. she went from rumors of screwing every man she ever met to claiming that she only really had four male lovers two of which she married (what if that claim is actually true.. ironic). Cannot relate to woman really other than her mother and lesbian encounters or the trusted personal assistant/best friend..no other female best friends due to lack of trust, siblings who are both abused tend to have a special bond.. like Haven and Jolie claiming they are each others only shoulder to lean on..best friends..”so in love with my brother” he was always my rock and my encouragement growing up.. special connection from having witnessed each other abused and having survived it. Also would explain why she feels more for the adopted children who have suffered and are survivors themselves vs her biological children who resemble her father.
Interesting.
Or.. James filmed Jolie when she was a kid. He was interested in directing and Jolie was his first muse. She credits him not her father for her interest in acting.
Or this is all just delusional fiction and they are the normal ones and we are the sickos for coming to these conclusions at all.
Reply@SZ:
ReplyCountry Squire was a car made by Ford. Not sure what that has to do with it. Pipe smoking…. exhaust pipe maybe. It’s station wagon.
from Jack Nicholson’s bio: “Abandoned by his father in his childhood, he was raised believing his grandmother was his mother and his mother was his older sister. The truth was revealed to him years later when a Time magazine researcher uncovered the truth while preparing a story on the star.”
Reply@Susanna:
Replyagree. this post makes me sad and mad. sad because i have always thought AJ had a horrible childhood. mad because it is tragic that she was able to adopt and then decided to have kids of her own with all of the issues and addictions. it takes about 5 minutes of research to uncover that if you were abused / addicted the odds of ending up with an abuser or becoming an abuser are much higher. for adopted children, multiply those odds by about 10. with her supposed genius IQ, too bad she didn’t make better decisions. Just My Opinion.
Jack the Ripper: supposed of the Royal Family, serial killer prostitutes in a very surgical fashion. Royalty — could be Hollywood royalty
Replyer, Bill “Day” —-
Reply“blue dress” a reference to Monica Lewinsky’s stained blue dress? maybe a similar circumstance?
(interesting, i’ve never associated the song “devil with a blue dress” and monica lewinsky before…)
Reply@sinker:Hmmmmm, except SR says: Jack “The Ripper” Nicholson. doesnt leave any room for doubt that Nicholson is the Ripper. There was a lot of competition between JN and JV for movie roles, i.e., One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, (went to JN), and others, I’d have to look them up again, but…I wonder if the competition extended to Voights family. I still wonder if Jack was boinking Marcheline and had his “Here;s Johnny” eye on young Angelina. I still think the blue dress was her first blow job on Nicholson and then the shame after because maybe he was her Moms boyfriend.
ReplySquire, esquire, village squire defined: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squire
ReplyNicholson was a an extreme oddball even amongst all the really wierdos in HW in the 60s and 70s. He hung out with Manson and his family. Even by HW standards he was considered quite bizarre and a bit dangerous back then. Now of course he is a revered HW legend.
Reply@sinker: JN is considered “Hollywood Royalty” despite everyone knowing about his incredibly decadent sexual pursuits — per rumour, of course (tho’ he’s never sued any books that have detailed his sexual actions w/ a few women). Also per rumour, JN and Warren B. “slept” w/ most of the “town” in their early days…w/ JN not stopping even now. They often showed-up at gay women’s bars to see who would go “home” w/ them. JN, IMO, is not a very nice man to most women when in certain situations. To have been w/ AJ when she was young is typical MO. Same w/ MJ (per mother of one of his conquests).
ReplyNicholson was also a great friend of Roman Polanski, remember they all hung around with Charles Manson and then the Manson family murdered Romans wife Sharon Tate and her unborn child. When Polanski raped that child it was done at Nicholsons estate so its not much of a stretch to consider that Jack is either a pedophile or a supporter of one IMO Here;s what Wikipedia says:
He is also a close friend of film director Roman Polanski, whom he has supported through many personal crises including the death of his wife, Sharon Tate, at the hands of the Manson Family. He also supported Polanski through his conviction for statutory rape, a crime which took place on the Nicholson estate on Mulholland Drive.
Reply@Sesame:
ReplyHi Sesame – I found what you said to be very insightful and interesting!
yikes – I did not know all these things about Jack Nicholson – I have never liked him as an actor and so paid no attention to him whatsoever. His background with the Manson family and strange Roman Polansky is very interesting – I had never heard of Jack-the Rat’s or strange Roman’s ties to the Manson family – that is scary. What kind of people are these and to be around the evil Ms. Jolie and her brother when they were children – sounds too horrible to think about.
Replyhttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blue+dress
Replya blue dress is a term for oral sex
So I am still unsure if daddy-Voight is the one who molested the evil Ms. Jolie and probably her brother when they were children – or was it Jack-the-Rat and/or daddy-Voight together or at different times. Dang, what a messed up life the evil Ms. Jolie had – but, it wont work, I refuse to feel sorry for her. Other people have had horrible childhoods and endured child abuse and/or molestation/incest and have not turned out like the Dark Queen. Sorry, evil Ms. Jolie – no sympathy from me. (The usual mantra – everything I say, think, do, write, desire about anyone, place, thing or idea in the past, present or future either expressed or implied is only my horrible opinion forever and ever amen!)
ReplyJN could be the “country squire” as the estate is huge and is almost in a country setting w/ a vast view of the west side of the city and the thick wooded acreage below and beyond. But, unless he was around her a lot, how could he have held her “captive” and “cut off” from the world? Hmmmm. Dunno. He def could have “deprived her of her childhood.” Still strrreeecchhhiiinnnggggg. But wait! Had JN been w/ her at his estate, he has been known (per rumour) to keep certain types of women from leaving when they want to, and it’s hard to find transportation out of his estate if you haven’t driven there. Isolated. A kid who didn’t drive would have a difficult time getting off the property and home…..
Reply@SZ:
ReplyHi SZ – could you info re Jack-the-Rat’s estate be what lovely Sugar Ray is referring to as the “wilderness version of a distraught familiae”?
@moo:
ReplyThanks moo- dang, I learn a lot from this site and its knowledgeable posters like you – this one is certainly news to me!
So does the reference to “Needed a Rolling Stone” relate back to the strange post re Mick Jagger and possibly mean the the evil Ms. Jolie as a teenager needed something the strange Mr. Jagger had to give her (and I am not thinking of sex here but emotional support)?
Reply@sinker:
ReplyBack in the old days (even before my time), this was not so unusual – when a young unmarried girl got pregnant and kept the baby in the family, it was often said that the real mom was the baby’s older sister and the real grandmom was the baby’s mom when in fact she was the grandmom. Many times this was never discovered and sometimes it was discovered inadverently as seems to be the case with Jack-the-Rat!
@ladybert62:Its very possible that Marcheline and Jack-the-Rat (haha) were involved and they stayed for awhile at his estate on Mullholland Drive. In the 70’s this was quite outside the city limits, up up up dark, twisting winding roads. He has a huge amount of acreage and gates at the driveway, big huge walls and dogs patrolling the grounds. This is the very place where Polanski raped that young girl. Nicholson used to hold parties that lasted for days on end. Nicholson stil lives there. There were videos not too long ago of Lindsay Lohan showing up at the gates to JN’s house and asking him to let her in, I think the paps were following her or something. You can hear him on the speaker sounding quite drunk saying “Who is this? What do you want” ??? But, he let her in!! Why would a young girl like that go to Nicholsons house in the middle of the night for refuge? Fishy fishy.
Replyhttp://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html
This is extemely disturbing and graphic. It is the unsealed testimony of the 13 year old that Polanski raped, not molested. If you have ever been hurt like this as a child , DO NOT READ THIS! It is very hard to read, there are about 26 pages , you have to click the link, you will see it when you open the link if you want to read it, at the top part in the orange, not in the white document. Truly disgusting how anyone can stand up for this man. JMO
ReplyWhy did evil Ms. Jolie feel less loved than strange brother James? Could this mean that he was the first one molested (and if I recall my psychology class, the abused child was often told that the act of abuse or molestation was a way that the parent/person doing the abuse showed their “special love” to that child). So did the evil Ms. Jolie discover her strange brother was abused before she was and felt neglected until she as also “instructed” into the ways of the “special love” ? OK posters – tear me apart for this comment!
Reply@Kate:
ReplySorry, no, there arfe 36 pages of testimony
@Caribsmom:
ReplyMy oh my- that place really does sound isolated – does Jack-the-Rat live there alone now or does he have a “significant other” and who is that “lucky” person? Sounds like his place could indeed be the place of a child’s nightmare event of a lifetime!
@SZ:
ReplyI dont understand why you have his last name in parenthesis? Could you elaborate to this dullard! Thanks SZ.
@ladybert62: It COULD be…am just writing along as I think of what other’s have “said” — and then I think of where he lives and the surroundings. That particular part of the “riddle” may not apply. ‘Family’ is implied, and JN (until his brief entrance into marriage and father-dom) is not known for being a family kind of guy. This is hard to decipher. Don’t want to mislead along JN’s route too much, but some of it does seem to “work”, whereas other parts don’t.
ReplyYeah I kind of have my doubts about this at the moment. Sounds very much like we’re trying to find an excuse for “poor Angie” being such a devil. I don’t know how far I belive this. I’m sure she was brought up in a licentious environment, I’m sure she felt ignored by her father and second best to her mother’s boyfriends. I’m sure it wasn’t a loving, stable, great childhood. It doesn’t surprise me to hear she was promiscuous young, she says herself she had a live-in boyfriend at the age of 14 so God alone knows when she lost her vriginity. And maybe she was abused, maybe. But it all just sounds way too convenient to me at the moment, a way of explaining why she has grown up to be a she-devil and that we should all feel terribly sorry for her. After Ian said he’s been being bombarded with ridiculous stories from her side at the moment and a few of them he has posted and they were obviousl designed to elicit sympathy for her (the suicide one for example), I am now dubious about this. It might be true, it might be from genuine sources, but I am having doubts. Plus there is also the preponderance of new posters jumping on board to say this explains why Angie is this, this explains why Angie does that, isn’t it awful and sad etc. It might be true, you can’t rule it out, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a convenient set-up. I think we need to hear from Jon Voight as he is obviously being implicated in this. I wonder what he would say about it.
Reply@Kate:
ReplyHI Kate – thanks for posting that with the warning – I am going to try and read it but probably not today as am going on a small vacation (in the wilderness) – but will try to read later!
@Kate:
Kate – what do you make of this? I know you have had your doubts about it before.
Reply@ladybert62:Yea, HW is full of its little secrets. Famous story of Loretta Young who had Clark Gables child, but first she left the country for several months and came back with a child that she said she adopted. Everyone in HW knew the truth but of course no one would talk because they were all under the Studio thumb. LY was known for her sweetheart wholesomeness, devout catholic, etc etc.
Reply@Caribsmom:
ReplyI found out about the Loretta Young/Clark Gable connection when I watched that sad documentary Girl 27 – they are mentioned as an example of how things were done back then.
@Keane:Hiya!! I know you didn’t ask me, but IMO I don’t think JV is the perp in this story. he may have been an a^^hole to MB but IDK why, I jost don’t think it’s him. And, who knows, if MB taught her daughter everything she knows, JV probably had lots of reasons to hate her! hahaha
Reply@SZ:
ReplyAll of lovely Sugar Ray’s are hard to deceipher – ha ha – but great fun in trying, n’est pas?
@ladybert62:haha! It was nothing, SZ just wrote Bill Ray instead of Bill Day, he was correcting himself.
Reply@Caribsmom:
ReplyOk – thanks for clarification – too much “Sugar” this morning – seeing sinister in everything!
@ladybert62: Did I do that? I haven’t read back on some of my posts. Oh…do you mean Bill Day? If so, I misspelled his name on previous past as “Ray.”
ReplyI’ve lurked for awhile but not commented. But I find it odd that no one has commented about Ted’s comment today that Brad is still being lovesick over Angie. He’s said for awhile that they will eventually break up (he’s been saying that forever), but he’s not saying they are done right now or in the near future.
Ted’s been around for a long time. Why shouldn’t I believe him before anybody else? I think they are together, and Brad still wants this women (Angie) and is not going anywhere.
Reply@SZ:
ReplyThanks SZ, Caribsmom explained it to me – as I said, too much “Sugar” affects me and then I start to look at everything with “double vision” so to speak and try to see hidden meanings behind even the typos!
@Keane:
ReplyWell I haven’t commented …
@laine:
Fake a la Ferocity and the hundred thousand dollar donation to the Jolie-Pitt Foundation. That’s why.
Reply@laine:
ReplyIf he is so lovesick over her, why is he wearing Jens necklace around his neck, and in a photo where Jolie is pretending to kiss him? Just curious?
@Caribsmom:
Hey love, yeah I agree, but I’m not sure there is necessarily a perpetrator at all to be honest.
Reply@Keane:
Replylol EXACTLY, and lets not forget the TT expose here, never piss off a bitch gay man, Ted is pissed off that he has been one upped, and I do not care what anyone says, it reeks in everything he says. IAN and DAWN both defer to him out of resepect, but Ted does not do that to them, he is behaving like a spoiled little bitch that has lost his game. jmo He has been wrong many times, and Brad may be whining away, but that does not mean he is with her,he is jusck sick to his stomach as how it turned out. jmo
@Keane:
ReplySo from this and your earlier comment Keane, do you think she was not abused/molested at all as a child or just in the scenario presented here meaning Jack-the-Rat?
@Caribsmom: Smiling. I’m a “she.”
Reply@Kate:
Ok so this is where I’m at with these recent stories:
“Everyone’s out to get me, I can’t trust anyone but 2 people the public conveniently already know I had a relationship with once making it sound plausible”. Poor Angie, I’m sobbing.
The suicide threats – nope, planted by Ange IMO. The story was totally unbelievable in a typical Ange’s PR style. Somone “overheard” the phone conversation, just as the bodyguard put his ear to the wall and clearly “overheard” Brange having a threesome wearing nappies (Brad had conveniently ran out of the room beforehand to explain how the bodyguard saw the nappy). The story also conveniently reminded us Ange has 6 kids – even though I’m not sure she remembers that – by saying the “kids were in earshot”. How bloody convenient, suicide threats in earshot of the kids when it doesn’t sound like she gets remotely near her children for most of the week. Utter fabrication.
Rape story – don’t believe it. What man in his right mind goes to a gossip blogger and freely holds his hands up to raping a minor in a car in a car park? A man who is being paid to say it that’s who. How likely would it be that someone could rape a woman in a school car park for 2 hours without someone seeing it? Very unlikely.
Is she moving to Portugal? Maybe, but considering how many planted stories we’ve had lately I’m not sure now.
Preggo – if a woman that thin and ill looking and in her mid 30’s could get pregnant then the Lord is among us folks and causing miracles because there is surely no other way that could biologically happen right now. BS.
Abused as a child – maybe, but its just a bit convenient for me right now. What better way to get sympathy for someone who a lot of people have lost all sympathy for. The suicide threats didn’t work, the rape story wasnt decisive, let’s play our trump card and talk about child molestation. I don’t know, I could be wrong and there may be some truth in this but considering how suspect the other stories were I am doubting it. And we all know how AJ loves to make daddy the scapegoat. I’m not buying it right now. And AJ, hire a better PR. Your current one sucks.
ReplyThanks Keane – good concise summary! I like it!
Reply@ladybert62: Yeah…and then I did it again — typo’d “past” rather than “post.” I think my nails need a manicure.
Reply@ladybert62:
Yeah I’m not sure to be honest, that’s up to Ian to decide. But do we see a pattern forming here? Plus there was a definite rash of new and fairly suspect posters jumping on board with this story straight away to say this is plausible and this is probably why AJ is so damaged and wants to save the world etc. Well who can be mean about a victim of child abuse at the end of the day? No-one in my opinion. She’s used the kids to protect herself from criticism, she uses the UN work to shield herself, would she stoop to this? Possibly, IMO. We shall see.
Reply@SZ:
ReplyI always blame my typos on (1) headache – migraine; (2) fat-finger typing cause I have fat fingers; (3) swollen-fingers typing cause I have arthritis; (4) someone else who has distracted me (including my cats and the television); (5) anything else I can think of! But I like your “my nails need a manicure” – I am going to use that one at work when I enter info incorrectly and see how far it gets me since I had never had a manicure and I have very short nails! ha h!!
@Keane:
ReplyThanks to you and Kate, I begin to see the forest for the trees, so to speak!
See y’all in a week – going to the wilderness in Oregon where there is no cell phone service or internet!
ReplyMore guesses in the mix:
pip smoking country squire & MC Hustler scumbag – refers to JV’s character in Midnight Cowboy. The country bumpkin/gentleman smokes pot in a pivotal scene/party.
Sex movie — perhaps filmed around the same time the movie when AJ was 7 yo, that she shot with JV? Lookin’ to get out. I note JV’s friend, Hal Asby did that film. HA did a lot of pot and sounds kinda crazy.
Cut off Ange’s contact with the rest of the world — perhaps that was a signficant but isolated occurrance — a particular incident that involved confining her? Also doubling as a reference to an emotional disconnect for AJ?
Depressed at 7 and daydreaming re. past — the initial abuse happened at 7 yo or before.
needed to get stoned…no imaginary lines — taking drugs, self-medicating from trauma.
less loved than her brother james — AJ abused more than J or J was more “loved” – by whom?
ashamed of the never faded blue dress — this evidence of abuse still exists — perhaps still on film?
No guesses yet about:
wilderness version of a distraught familiale
bad luck to cross paths with Jack “The Ripper” Nicholsen
The Ripper written all over it
I will note re. Hal Ashby, he was a big Rolling Stones fan and went out to film a documentary of their 1981 tour, right around the time he did the film with AJ and JV. Would that have been when MJ would have seen the young AJ and become intrigued?
Re. JV as the abuser. Don’t know but the timing of the movie is suspicious. What is clear from above is that SRCC says there are a number of perpetrators. One seriously abused AJ early on and at least one other really really hurt her (which SRCC seems to be saying is JN).
Reply@Kate:
ReplyI’m reading the court transcript now. The victim wore a blue dress also. She wore it before getting into the jacuzzi with RP. Weird.
@Keane:
I thought the $100,000 donation was to prevent Brad from suing their asses for the camera crew that broke into his LA property and were photographing the grounds and the home without their permission? I thought he was going to proceed with criminal charges and name E as also being responsible unless they fired the crew and made a donation to their foundation to make amends.
http://www.exposay.com/e-crew-fired-after-attempting-to-trespass-brangelina-home/v/5587/
Replyashamed of the never faded blue dress…The Ripper written all over it…Fe, fe, fi, fi, fo, fo, fum
ReplyThe Blue Dress… =…..Monica Lewinsky’s blue dress proved to have Bill Clinton’s DNA all over it from oral sex performed upon him, Monica saved it. The Ripper …=…..Jack Nicholson???…..what if?@sheen:
Huge Congratulations IAN! Fantastic job of outting a louse!!!@Susanna:
Replysth said on May 28th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
“No guesses yet about:
wilderness version of a distraught familiale
bad luck to cross paths with Jack “The Ripper” Nicholsen
The Ripper written all over it
“One seriously abused AJ early on and at least one other really really hurt her (which SRCC seems to be saying is JN).”
@sth: JN, per published accounts and legal vetting, is known to be very kinky and will do/try anything. Were he to have initiated AJ on any sexual level, you can “assume” he could have introduced her to her kinky preferences — which may, at first, caused some “shame” — which she “overcame.”
ReplyMost of what i pulled up, Missionary Positions, Pussycat Ranch….were about porn indunstry vs religion….seems weird and off to me to make an intire career comparing porn stars, movies to religious cultures@Angie’s Fax Machine:
ReplyBut what if they didn’t think of it as abuse? If mom is living with a man making movies about porn industry, and porn stars vs religion, wouldn’t they think it was alright to a point? I think it’s possible a molester worked his way into a scenario with Angie, possibly including James, in the guise of making a film since mom was working with Bill as a producer of same movies…..just guessing. If abuse took place regularly, it had to be someone with consistant access to them, and a reputation to hide true nature….@TobyKat:
Replyhttp://edgecastcdn.net/800004/www.jaman.com/v27692/images/blank.gif he reminds me strongly of Jack Nicholson!!!@Caribsmom:
Reply@Patty Anne:
ReplyThe link is showing up blank.
@SZ:
SZ you seem to know an awful lot about this family, much more than anyone else does here. How do you know all this stuff? It sounds like you’ve been researching the family history. And you seem to know nearly all the answers to this riddle. I find that very curious.
ReplyBut keep in mind one fact and that is her mother allowed, invited, her 14 y/o daughter’s boyfriend to move in with them. To me that shows strong lack of morals and ability to parent responsibily. What else did Marcia Lynne allow/encourage??@Sesame:
Reply@Keane:Not if she’s who she says she is and was in LA in the 70’s. I grew up there and Hollyweird was BIG business in those days, not only was the “legit” side covered in the daily newspapers and newscasts, the less than “legit” made the rounds, although the studio power was waning – it still was a pretty small community.
Reply@Sesame:
Did you think they were going to tell the world that e were giving them $100,000 cos they did a blind item about a methadone-addicted A-lister who everyone thought was AJ? Yeah, that would have been clever.
ReplyEwwwww….i had no idea Jack Nicholson was so twisted. HW is a cesspool of decadent behaviors. A lot of money has to have been paid out to keep a lot of this secret@Caribsmom:
Reply@Togi:
ReplyI’m in a diff time zone. Unusual I’m online at 1p.m. Reason: I”m usually hiking in the So. Calif canyons.
I plead ignorance. Or maybe I don’t want to believe JV is capable of all that abuse. He’s one of my all-time fave actors.
But there’s a reason behind AJ. Now I know there are a lot of cases out there who suffered even worse abuse, and they turned out to be decent people. Why she didn’t could fill a book. And apparently there will be several.
I hate to think she’s a BAD SEED; i.e. unable to distinguish right from wrong.
‘nother reason I’m off-line is that I’m helping buds with various problems. (being careful that I”m not a professional)
@Keane: Did simple online research and have followed the family drama for a while. Just check out Jolie’s bio (non-People mag). Know a lot about JN per the call girls in book my former boss published. Know much about MJ per other sources — both pubiic and private. No biggie.
ReplyOMG….i’ve never felt so ill in my life. Polanski should have been hung! How could JV, or MB allow persons who considered such a beast a close friend spend unsupervised time around a young girl or boy?????@Kate:
Reply@Caribsmom:
ReplyA lot of people hung out with Charles Manson, or to be more accurate, Charles Manson found ways to hang out with them. This was right fter he left San Francisco and came down to LA. Nobody knew that he had a jail record. He befriend the beach boys – even living in one of the band members house. Eventually people started to get the creeps from him and started to back away from him. The Beach Boy member had them kicked out of his house – he did not do it himself because he felt afraid of Manson. It was after that that Manson moved out to that creepy ranch. The Tate and LaBianca murders happened as a result of Manson feeling spurned by the Hollywood crowd and especially the music crowd. When he sent his cult followers to the Tate residence, it was not because he wanted to kill Tate, it was because he wanted the last owner/tenant of that property dead. Some producer or music guy that he felt had rejected him and kept him from having a successful music career. Manson wanted to be a famous musician very badly.
I wonder if IAN has contacted Jon Voight about any of this? I don’t know if he would dare say a word though, considering how Angie has cut him off for stating the fact that she needed mental help during the time she adopted Maddox…..@Keane:
ReplyOk well here is my deal with this and I won’t say any more. I think this story has been fed to Ian by people working for AJ and I think people have been planted here to make sure we know exactly what it means and to give us all the baclground. And I don’t believe it at this stage. I might be wrong and there may be some truth to it but I’m finding the way the posts have been going lately is highly suspect. I think Ange is trying to bamboozle Ian with so many different stories saying such different things that he doesn’t know if he’s coming or going and doesn’t know who to trust. I might be wrong and there may be good sources for this, but I think many of the recent stories have been suspect and I think this one is too. I do not believe that Jon Voight and/or his friends molested Angelina Jolie and James Haven at this stage, just because I am doubting the validity of these sources.
Reply@Patty Anne:
I think if John Voight is being accused of child molestation then he would most certainly have something to say about it, one way or another. Unless he is guilty of it of course and then he would keep his mouth schtum. But if it isn’t true – as I don’t think it is – then we are speculating on some very dangerous territory here. The Angelina post about what she said about her children was bad enough, but this? We’re talking about actual molestation here. I could be wrong but I am concerned that Ian and/or the commenters here are being led into very dangerous territory, deliberately. Kate, what do you think about this?
Reply@Patty Anne:
Jack Nicholson was not even in the present when Polanski took advantage of Samantha. Not only was he out of the state, I believe he was out of the country. It was common for Polanski to have keys to several of his close friends as he chose never to lease another house in the U.S. after Sharon died. I believe he lived at the Beverly Wilshire when he was in town.
Also, he had been commissioned by french Vogue to do a guest layout – Jack’s house is at the top of Mulholland and has a terrific view – Jack had no problem with him using it to do the French Vogue layout. He had taken pictures of a number of other girls without incident – in other words, he did go about the assignment professionally, that is… until he met up with Samantha.
Reply@SZ:Oops! Sorry! She said…LOL
Reply@harikari girl: The house belonged to T. Melcher, Doris Day’s son. Manson was pissed at him — Melcher — big time.
Replyhttp://www.jaman.com/director/Bill-Day/
ReplyCaribsmom posted this URL, and his photo is halfway down on the right side
@Angies Fax Machine
@SZ:
ReplyThanks SZ — could not remember the name.
@Keane:
ReplyI agree
On the recently released trial transcript however, the girl, Susanna ?? says that Polanski called jack to get into the estate, and chatted with him in the living area when they entered….??@harikari girl:
Reply@Kate:
Well I hope our friends here will heed our advice and make no further comment. I think we all know what the post is getting at without going into it much further. Just remember that case that someone posted yesterday (was it too curious?), about the gossip blog commenter being sued by the mother of Anna Nicole Smith for perpetrating stories about her – was it to do with molestation also, I can’t remember? If I were Voight I’d be watching this extremely closely. Be careful what you say and do not take this story as fact please.
Reply@Patty Anne:
I threw up after I read her testimony the first time, and then I cried, that was when it was first posted.
What a bastard. jmo
ReplyJon Voight was supposedly very controlling even after the divorce. He would often use the alimony as a form of control. Marcheline had to deal with that for years. In fact, in her will, she bequeathed not only her own monetary assets to her children but also over $800,000 that JV owed in back child support payments.
Reply@Keane:
I tend to agree with you on this Keane. In fact, I’m suspect to anything going back to around Toni or the A-Rod story. It seems possible she came up with a new game plan after the A-Rod story and started feeding info. I have to look back at the timeline of all the stories to see exactly where it started and who was the source of info, AJ’s camp or Brad’s camp or others.
Reply@harikari girl:The fact remains that whether Jack was physically present when the rape happened doesnt matter in the least due to the fact that he was very good friends with Polanski, knew him and his pecadilloes very well, and supported him during the trial and still does to this day!!! So it doesnt really matter if he was there or not.
Reply@Keane:
ReplyI agree, no offense to SUGAR but, nada touching this one.
@g:
ReplyI suspect IAN is doing that as well.
I would think that Ian is not that naive and knows precisely what he’s doing. I see the direction that is being taken here once again. Worse claims have been made about numerous people. If speculation would not lead some to think it was daddy, then certainly Ian is professional enough to take care….legally and so on.
Some like to create dust-ups and doubts for what is said here and who says it. Why? I don’t know. But I ain’t gonna bring that kind of energy to this up ’til now reasonable debate.
Reply@Keane:Okay Keane. I only have an opinion, I don’t have and have never tried to make it seem as if I have any insider information. I have only ever commented in response to Ian’s posts. Having said that, what do you suggest? Because if you really think this story is BS and you think a lot of the others are BS too then that means we shouldn’t have faith in what Ian is reporting? We should try to decide which one of his stories are BS and which ones are straight up? I was of the opinion that if Ian posted it at all it was because he believed in his source, and that if he found out he was wrong he would come on and tell us. It kind of makes the blog absolutely OVER in my opinion. I agree that there are a lot of AJ supporters on here lately, but I think that’s just because IUC is getting a lot of buzz.
Reply@Caribsmom:IMO of course! hahahahaha
Reply@SZ:
ReplyI read Candice Bergen’s biography some time ago (can’t remember the name) and she talked about the Manson/Tate thing but from what I recall she and Terry lived in the house and had just moved out or sold it weeks before that all happened
I think AJ has demonstrated many patterns of someone abused as a child.
I have no idea what SR’s riddle means and whether or not she was abused.
I do not think any of these stories come from AJ plants. I doubt AJ even knew about this site but she probably will now between this and that post-that-shall-not-be-named.
Reply@Caribsmom:
All these stories are bogus or rehash of what we already knew. You knew that, right?
Reply@Kate:
ReplyDitto, the subject matter in my opinion is something that shouldn’t be speculated about. Child rape and molestation IMO is not something to gossip about. This has crossed the line for me. Ciao folks.
Okay everyone, Keane and Kate are, as usual, exactly right about this one. Its not enough to say IMO, IMHO or anything else like that!! I, for one, will not be saying another word, after having read the article on the bloggers that got sued, take a look at this:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/Houston_blogger_jailed_in_Anna_Nicole_suit.html
Reply@Caribsmom:
ReplyI don’t think that is what she is saying, just that there have been a few stories that have been questionable and IAN also feels they have been screwing around with him, just throwing things at him. He has not put many of that out for us to see. I think it is entirely possible Angelina would send her minions out with total bs to muddy the waters and screw with IANs book. Being prudent is wise, and accusing a man of sexually molesting his children is a grave injustice , and unless someone is a witness to that, it is off limits as far as I am concerned, because they need to be talking to the police, not IAN or SUGAR, and if they did not witness it, and it comes from AJ then it is most likely a lie. It is not hard to see which stores are credible and which ones are questionalble..and IAN will come back and tell us IF he has had a change of opinion on something he has posted in the past. Give him time. He is trying to promote a book right now, they know that, and they are taking advantage of that. We want Brange info, but this is not his priority right now.
@g: “Knock On Wood.” I read it long time ago. Candace Bergen was my idol. I thought she was the most beautiful woman — esp. when young. Also a journalist and photographer. Wrote great humorous piece in Esquire mag titled, “Is Bel Air Burning?”
Reply@Caribsmom:
ReplyAgain, you can not be sued, if they do not know who or where you are. Only a very stupid person uses their real email and name. They would contact IAN and say, give me the real name of Caribsmom, and he would say gee, all I have is Jane Smith at yahoo.com that lives in Pleasantville Mars. lol
For people who don’t know the specifics of the case, “Polanski: Wanted and Desired” is a very informative documentary about the case against Polanski with a timeline of what had transpired in his life leading up to the events of that fateful day.
http://www.hbo.com/docs/docuseries/romanpolanski/
Reply@Kate: You wrote: “Being prudent is wise, and accusing a man of sexually molesting his children is a grave injustice , and unless someone is a witness to that, it is off limits as far as I am concerned, because they need to be talking to the police, not IAN or SUGAR, and if they did not witness it, and it comes from AJ then it is most likely a lie. It is not hard to see which stores are credible and which ones are questionalble..and IAN will come back and tell us IF he has had a change of opinion on something he has posted in the past.”
Altho’ it seems that we are not on the same page w/ who I am, I agree w/ what you wrote. I have played this game today on SR’s blog for the first time in attempting to decipher. I have also suggested in previous posts similar things about JV. You did a favor to me recently by suggesting I refrain from giving out so much info about myself. For that, I respect you. For my role here, I don’t intend to engage you or Keane in that kind of debate. You can ignore me. No harm.
ReplyBye everyone! Have a nice evening! xoxoxoxo
Reply@SZ:
SV, no need to feel that way , at all. I am glad you can see what I meant though about posting personal info, you saw what happened to me, with just one small thing they knew lol, and it was not even anything just that I had a layover in airport. Just amazing isn’t it. People are much to open in a message board, you really should not tell too much about your life on a open board like this, now a private forum that is is secure and locked,not so bad, but that is not the case here. We are all friends here, carry on.
I think what most are interested in with Brange is what is going on right now, not what happened before, but are they apart, who is getting the kids, who is he with, who is she with, what is going on with Jen? I don’t think the majority of most here care really what happened to Angelina growing up, and while it will be interesting to read how the prince and the princess got so screwed up in a book, it doesn’t now work so well on a blog. Blogs thrive on the present day to day ups and downs of the stars. JMO
Reply@Caribsmom:
I was not implying that Jack’s a saint – I was just clarifying that he was not there, not like he was hanging out on the back deck while Roman was trying to seduce this girl.
As I stated on a previous post, I have been raped myself. I have nothing but empathy for this girl and after watching the documentary and hearing her speak now as adult, I commend her from having come so far. Even to the point of saying that she believes the government should let Polanski into the States and that it’s long over due. Whether he should be allowed or not is for other people to decide, but I commend her for having come so far as the only way one comes to such a point that they can say such a thing is to have worked through something to the point of being able to forgive. As Oprah has said “once you reach a true place of forgiveness, you are free, the event no longer has any power over you” (paraphrasing there).
BTW, to forgive does not by any means to forget.
Reply@g:
Yep the point at which I started to have suspicions was the Jen is bi, Jen knew about the affair for 18 months and did nothing to stop it story. Now that came from a friend of AJ. AJ has a history of trying to save her PR neck by deflecting attention and blame on to JA. You do the math with that one. Then the one about Brad in high school and whatever went on there = make Brad look bad/humiliate Brad IMO. Then the stories which were obviously trying to make people sympathise with AJ with the most emotive and sly of tactics: AJ thinks everyone is out to get her and can only trust JLM and BBT (what, no James Haven? as if); I overheard AJ saying she was suicidal on the phone and her SIX CHILDREN were in earshot. Bullshit. Then the pregnancy story and Ian telling us he is being hit with a ridiculous number of stories on ludicrous topics from her friends and ignores most of them, and that he is very busy with his book and doesn’t have time to figure out what is what right now. Great time for them to attack. I am now also doubting the AJ said “wouldn’t she make great looking babies with her children” story. It might be true, but the source said she was probably joking, so its a suggestion of something terrible, putting it in our minds and that of Ian’s, possibly leading us to speculate on it, but without saying anything untoward has actually gone on at all. Clever isn’t it? And then the rape story, what person in their right mind would admit to raping a minor just like that. I can’t think of any, I think he’s a plant. And this stuff all just sounds far too horrible for words. AJ has repeatedly said she hardly saw JV as a child. What are the chances of this? I don’t doubt she had a dubious upbringing and was neglected and ignored and her mother had a revolving door of boyfriends and maybe was more of a friend to her children than a mother, but this nasty stuff? This is much, much more serious than that and people I have met through work who were abused as children are extremely, extremely damaged, they are not all together there. AJ might have her demons, but was it something this bad? I find that highly questionable.
Reply@harikari girl:
ReplyDid you read her testimony?
@SZ:
ReplyHey we are all friends here, glad you saw with your own eyes what happens when one of these idiots take one little innocent i piece of info and turns it on you. Never a good idea to release too much info about yourself on the internet.
@ Kate – also, there is a always a distinct lack of “Ian is a liar” type posts on the stories that I believe are coming from AJ. They only attack the ones that they didn’t supply. It ain’t too difficult to figure out. Although, I’m sure next time we get one they will throw in a few comments for good measure now to make it look more authentic!
Reply@Kate: Appreciate it.
@Keane: Damned if they do and damned if they don’t? One could never win, then? Just trying to assess why you do this. Just asking. Not sparring.
ReplyI have no comment on the subject of this thread. Suffice it to say that orange is not Ian’s best color.
I also haven’t read all these comments but based on what I have read accusing someone of child molestation is serious business. Just because Pitt and Jolie don’t seem to be the suing type does not mean other people aren’t. It is beyond naive to think that adding IMO or saying “it is only opinion” can you somehow protect you when you repeat libelous statements or suggest people have committed criminal acts. You are still defaming someone by repeating the defamatory statement. Period.
Finally, do not take advice from non-lawyers. You are not anonymous on this site. You can give all the aliases you want when you register at websites but if someone truly wanted to find you to add you to a law suit or prosecute you then they would get the ISP attached to the target posting by serving the appropriate subpoenas to get the ISP and the person attached to it. The only way to stay anonymous is to use a computer where you can be anonymous like at a cyber cafe – but you can’t use your credit cards (duh!) or visit other sites that could link to you during that same on line session, i.e., don’t also go to your email or pay a bill (again duh!).
Please don’t take this as legal advice or a suggestion on how to evade authorities while you perform nefarious activities on line. It is just common sense.
Reply@Keane: BTW — That Wynter/Mia thing over the weekend was horrid. Not that I don’t believe your concerns about people.
Reply@Liz E.:
ReplyThat is not true, you don’t know what you are talking about, I have sat in court with cases and it is virtually impossible to track someone with just a IP without a name to match it. If people are using community computers especially, just not possible. No one to tell if you were at an a friends posting a ex lovers a library , which is free, on wireless somewhere. no name no address. forget it. People get sued because they use their real names and emails and they make themselves targets. And for the record, you don’t know if someone is getting non legal counsel. jmo sweetheart
@Liz E.:
Replyoh and don’t forget there are some extremely effective proxies that will mask a IP and make it impossible to even figure out where that person is , if you do not believe this is true, call up your local computer geek.
Just a word of caution on the testimony of the victim in the Polanski case referenced above. That is Grand Jury testimony.That is not testimony from a trial. As is the usual course of action in such matters the victim is thoroughly prepped by the prosecutor and the police before that testimony is given. Furthermore, and most importantly, there is no cross examination of the witness to test how credible her story or memory is. Many a grand jury testimony has been shown to be completely unbelievable and untrue once subject to cross examination and rebuttal at trial.
I read this Grand Jury transcript when it first went up on The Smoking Gun. I certainly believe something happened and it was almost assuredly criminal. I do remember though there were some parts of her testimony that seemed completely false. That doesn’t mean Polanski is off the hook but rather it just may be a matter of degrees – which can be important in charging offenses or in sentencing. So just a word of caution when reading these things – as tempted as we are to side with an alleged victim there is a reason why we have trials and have to put such stories to a real credibility test.
Reply@SZ:
I’m sorry SZ, as I said before I did not believe you were genuine and my opinion hasn’t changed yet. I might be wrong, as I may be about these stories, but I have found in life the only judgment you should fully trust and rely on is your own. I don’t take anything anyone says as gospel any more because when I have done so in the past they have been proved wrong and I have been proved right. And we’re talking life and death situations here and the opinions of Doctors and Consultants. So I now always analyse everything and use my own judgment. I have done this from word go with what other commenters are saying and now I feel like I need to do it with the stories. Suggesting I do it to cause trouble or create issues with people is fallacious. I do it because I want to see the truth about people come out. I’m sick of people covering their shit with expensively paid PRs. I don’t want to live in a society and culture based almost entirely on lies. Angelina Jolie is a very tricky customer and she has been trying to stop things coming out here since word go and if I can stop her doing that I will. She is selling herself on the basis of some pretty major lies and that is morally wrong. That should be exposed. That’s my main concern in posting here and if the odd person is upset or offended by my suspicions on the way, so be it. If this blog turns into another site peddling PR lies or where people believe stories given by people without any questioning or evidence then I am out of here. I only want to hear the truth and not waste my time with anything else. That is my modus operandi and I’m sticking to it.
Reply@Keane:
ReplyNotwithstanding any bogus plants here, I think Jolie has the profile of someone who was sexually molested as a child. I was a suicide prevention counselor and I could probably give someone instructions on how to raise a child that will be suicidal as an adult. Physical and sexual abuse are one and two on the list, not in that particular order. Jolie described taking her clothes off and making out with boys when she was five years old. Children that age learn that behavior from others, it’s not normal for that age. When a child is sexually abused, he/she displays sexual behavior inappropriate for his/her age. Next, having a lover at 14 and being promiscuous also fits into the profile along with the cutting and self-harm. Finally, the low self-esteem and the drug use are all part of the profile. My guess would be that she and or James were sexually abused. Being in a molesting environment, incest is then something that commonly transpires between siblings. Having a bit of background in suicide and dealing with many physically abused women, I have to say that Jolie fits the mold. I am just surprised her adult male romantic relationships were never abusive. However, abused children who are female often find partners who are abusers. I am in no way saying that Jolie’s past excuses her behavior but it does give me compassion towards her. That said, with six children relying on her, it does make it incumbent for her to get help and serious help NOW. No excuses. If she has kids and has not gotten treatment with her background, she will likely abuse or do it vicariously through people she puts around her children. This is classic “sins of the father visited on the son” type of behavior. Just my humble opinion.
@Liz E.:
Did you give up with PFAB after you bullied a victim of rape on the other thread? Yes, I think it would be wise to go back to being Liz E. Try not to repost the same post under different usernames this time. Its always a bit of a giveaway.
Reply@BigApplette:
Possibly which makes us more likely to believe it hey? I’m not sure, I am reserving judgment. It’s possible but I’m suspicious more of the context of what has been going on on this site recently than anything else. Kate has said many times that she does not believe she was abused because of things she has heard herself. I do believe however that AJ would do or use anything to save her career. This is a woman who seemingly hooked up with a man – a married one at that – to get to the top in HW, and had or adopted another 5 chidlren within the space of 4 years to keep him and to get good press. I think that says it all about what this woman is capable of doing, do you know what I mean?
Reply@Keane:
Yes. People should stop posting and reading this site if they want to protect themselves.
Reply@Kate:
Hilarious! BTW Liz E. and the charming PFAB are one and the same. Liz E. does the legal advice, PFAB does the abusing victims of rape schtick. Sound like any schizo/Jekyll and Hyde characters we all know and love? Yup, me too.
Reply@Keane:
I am not saying that Jolie is not on a mission to salvage her career. She is about to be at odds with a most formidable Hollywood player who knows his way around the Hollywood machine better than most. I wouldn’t want to be in her shoes at this time at all. She hasn’t got many Hollywood friends to support her now like Jen did.
However, things that she has described in interviews about her life (even before she hooked up with Pitt) are alarming. The stories of being a “kissy girl” at five years old, the cutting with her lover at 14, the drugs (heroin), the suicidal ideation (hiring a hit man to kill her) were all there before Pitt came along. So, I am inclined to believe. Psychologists always say, “even the lies we tell about ourselves are revealing.”
Reply@Keane: OK. Reasonable. BTW, I read an FF post about you and Kate. The writer suggested that only “masochist’s” would come to this site because you were a “malevolent gatekeeper.” I bring this up because I had to sit for a while and ask myself if I was, indeed, a masochist because I was trying to work things out w/ you. Hahhahaha. You are, w/out a doubt, “one tough customer” and all who “know” you here realize that you can dish out as much as you are dissed. But, when I determined that I wasn’t a masochist (chuckle), I decided to come back to IUC. I have been turned-off to many of the blogs’ subject matter, esp yesterday and, I think, the previous day’s as well. BUT, compared to the fawning at Pittwatch and the set-up at FF where an ongoing, more “real time” disucssion appears to be difficult, I am here — at least for now — because many here are truly character’s…fictional or not.
This site has the warm and fuzzy “Mama San” who goes out fishing and lives in Indiana (I think?). Then there is Kate, the mediator and voice of reason most of the time (or “Good Cop” — smiling). Canuck is in an exotic land and has exotic experiences and wears spanx! Someone else is in OZ-land and so it goes. Then there’s you (the “Bad Cop” — smiling) from the UK who hoots and shoots from the hip, and w/ a partially jaundiced eye checks everyone out. Is kind to some, laughs w/ others, etc. This is an extremely entertaining place no matter what the subject. It’s almost worthy of being turned into a book minus some of the potentially harmful allegations, of which I too have played a part.
So, all I can say is that, however it all turns out, I’m certainly sharpening my writing skills, although I could use Spell Check/Spellcheck, and I do learn things here that are of use beyond gossip.
ReplyThings sure took a dramatic turn.
Reply@BigApplette:
Long post – skip it if you don’t want to wade through this
I too believe that there was definitely abuse somewhere and at some time of her upbringing. I was molested as a child by a parent and another individual. I was highly sexualised by the time I was 7. I had very inappropriate behaviour but did not understand why or what it meant. I didn’t do the kissy game but had a very similar type game I played with the boys at school, again, by the age of 7. When I was 16, my modeling agency relocated me to New York, where I lived alone without any family or support structure and I was raped by a stranger 6 months into living in New York. I dealt with it by taking a shower with a brillo pad literally scraping off skin to try to feel “clean”. I did not cry about it afterwards – I did not tell anyone. I just got up and went on with life. I dated a guy for a year and a half and then we mutually stopped seeing each other. We remained friends. A year after we had broken up, my buzzer one afternoon and it was him – he happened in the neighbourhood, thought he’d drop by to say hello. Suffice it to say, I let him in and the next thing I knew, I was flying across the room from a sharp left hook. I had no idea what hit me or why or what was going on. I found out a few minutes later, after many hits and my screaming and trying to fight back. He raped me and eventually I stopped fighting. I just lay there with tears coming down my face. He finished and then he fell asleep next to me with his hand around my waist. I lay awake all night scared to move terrified that he was going to kill me. This may have been an irrational thought but when someone has beaten you to a pulp and done what he did, you start to think he’s capable of anything. Anyway, next morning he woke up, gave me a kiss on the cheek, said he’d call me later and I walked him to my front door, smiled at him (still terrified he was going to reverse his actions and kill me), shut the door behind him, double bolted it and then sat down against the hallway wall and just watched the locks. I sat there for 3 days straight. I did not move. I heard the phone ring – friends leaving messages “where are you”, but I still didn’t move. I sat there watching that door terrified. And then after 3 days, I got up, took a burning hot shower, got dressed and went back to life, once again without telling anyone. After that, something in me changed. I became quite promiscuous (to put it mildly). I slept with people I didn’t even want to sleep with. I never went on real dates because secretly I’d be freaking watching the guy as he made conversation, thinking “dinner’s not the only thing he wants”. I felt safer by taking a guy by surprise and sabotaging dinner dates and bedding him instead. Two years after the second rape, I finally told my best friend. She hooked me up with this therapist and psychiatrist that worked together as team who specialised in treating abused women (incest, molestation, physical, psychological, rape). They found that I had developed a borderline personality – the borderline thing upset me more than anything else. I read up on borderline’s and found out that they can be highly manipulative, lie, self-destructive, and also damage other people badly. That mortified me – due to my hell of a childhood, the one thing I always tried to do was make sure I never hurt another human being myself. So I worked with both of them and it was hard work and it was painful work, but we made progress and I can say that today, each one of my friends would say how loving I am towards them and that they’d trust me with anything. (Oh, BTW, I was put on suicide watch by the age of 10 and had multiple suicide attempts).
With everything I wrote above, I have long believed Angelina Jolie to be a severe borderline with atypical depression, probably some PTSD. If that’s the case, then I really do feel sad for the little girl she once was. Yet, here I am on IUC (not exactly a pro Angie place), and I find her to be manipulative, fake, someone that damages not just herself but also those around her, and I think she’s got a twisted pathology. I think it’s dangerous to have someone like that placed on such a high pedestal of the world – lots of people want to emulate her.
So… if I was playing sexual games at 7, was promiscuous and suicidal myself and went through a heroin phase, then am I not being hypocritical in calling her out?? NO. Because she has chosen not to work out her problems, not to seek real psychiatric help. She’s not insane, which means she knows when she’s lying, manipulating, conspiring. And the way she has chosen to deal with her problems is to accumulate 6 kids in 4 years, steal 2 men (consecutively) from their fiancee/wife and just keep moving and moving and moving (something I used to do) to try and find some new instant gratification or some new person to lust after her. The damage left in her wake is huge. And the fact is no matter what happens to you as a child, when you become an adult, the responsibility to get well falls on your shoulders and no one else. I’m several years younger than her, and sure I’m insecure and I work in film which probably just makes that worse, BUT I hold myself responsible for all of my actions and they might affect others. I cannot support her or cheer for her knowing that she willingly chooses to do the complete opposite.
BTW – Sorry at the length -got going and just kept going.
ReplyLast word – She has accumulated SIX children. 6 little moldable souls. 6 babies whose adult lives will very likely be a reflection on the childhood they lived and the coping skills and stability their parents give them. If this woman doesn’t get help, all 6 of them will probably be damaged people and it won’t be their fault. I feel like the children were just another form of her instant gratification – and that’s just hideous to me.
ReplyBTW; no offense meant to anyone I mentioned in the earlier post. I have no reason to believe that those I mentioned are anyone other than who they appear to be, and have had several nice exchanges w/ a few. Just examples of the vast array of personalities here and how interesting it can be to read each one’s stories/comments.
I include myself as another character, albeit suspect. The one from H-Wood who…blah blah blah. Laughing at self.
Reply@harikari girl:
Wow. Thank you for sharing your experiences. You are incredible to have gotten to the other side. It takes a lot of courage to allow yourself to feel the pain but it’s the only way to heal. I wish I could give you a great big hug. You are a hero and really amazing.
People who don’t do the work stay in denial and keep numb. In the process, they damage people around them. I can totally see why you feel the way you do toward Jolie. I liked her early in her career and thought she was great in Gia. She was never really on my radar screen until I heard her say her daughter Shiloh was a blob and she had to make an effort to feel for her. I was so horrified and felt so bad for that adorable little baby. After that, I became aware of all the bizarre behavior and the terrible way Jen Aniston was treated in the whole Bermuda Triangle.
As much as I feel compassion for Jolie because I think her childhood was a nightmare, I feel much more for her innocent kids. Jolie has all the money and time in the world to get treatment. She has an absolute obligation to do so now that she has kids. As long as she remains under the influence of drugs, she won’t change. Unfortunately, she has a lot of yes people and sycophants around her to keep her from hitting bottom.
Reply@harikari girl:
Harikari … I hope you don’t mind if I PRAISE THE LORD for the strength He gave you to preserver! My story is no where near as traumatic as yours, but I, too, have a “story.” I am soo with you that it is the responsibility of the victim to choose the way they will deal with the abuse. Not as a child, of course. But once one reaches adulthood, one CAN make that choice. Does one allow the past to color the rest of their life, or does one choose to tackle the past head on? Like you, I tackled it head on … which was extremely painful and difficult. But no where near as painful and difficult as my life WOULD have been had I not done so!
So here’s to US, sister … and to all our other SISTERS out there who have made it!!!!
xxxxx
Reply3a*2d on
@Togi:
ReplyBy the way … that little typo at the end of my post (3a*2d on) was from my cat, Togi! She had nothing but glowing remarks as well!
@Togi:
ReplyHi Togi. I hear you, too. I think many of us have “stories.” Life can be hard for women. Here’s to those of us who made it to the right path. And to the others who haven’t, may they get there.
@SZ:
ReplyLOL that was pretty funny, gee they really talk about us over there, hmm. glad I have never stumbled across that. ha ! hey stick around , Keane has been blindsided and beaten to death here, long before you arrived, it has just gotten hold of her. She is not as hard as you think, just no secrets and lies. But hey no one owes anyone here and explanation, so lets just keep on keeping on..we are all here for the same reason..right?
http://www.cfr.org/ Interesting site you came from@Chilling Effect:
ReplyMy momma always told me ,”When the going gets tough, the tough get going”. Seems as if a lot of us had struggles before reaching our personal safe place in the world, and truly living our lives. I congratulate all of you survivors, hug you and tell you you are always loved by someone, somewhere, sometime. You gurls make me proud to be a woman….. God Bless!!!
Reply@harikari girl:
harikari, God Bless you girl, that was truly touching and inspiring, and emotional. I have a grown daughter and even though I too went through rape in college and went through counseling, I just can not imagine going through what you did, and worse yet having my child go through it. I understand completely what you mean about Angelina and her children. I had my kids way too young, stupid, but everyone makes mistakes, I was lucky, good parents willing to back me,help me, still put me though college. I look at her and can not understand why these beautiful kids are not enough, why she can not pull her life together for them, and why she wants to keep adding more pressure to the mix. I don’t doubt that Angelina has been exposed in some way to some form of abuse just because of the way her mother lived her life. She was a child of the sixties, and allowing a 14 year old boyfriend to live in alone gives me reason to question that. But you are right, it is her responsibiltiy to make it right to borrow her hubsands phrase, for her life, for her children.
I do hope Brad is aware of just what is true and what is not. It has been said he has tried to reconcile her with her father many times, so I have to wonder if he would if there was an question of anything questionable.
There was a letter by Mr Day years later asking about Angelina,and there was some hints about her Godfather, but all this info about her seducing her moms boyfriend, and Mick Jagger taking her virginity and how active she is sexually, I really do not care about any of it. I do care about her licking her childrens hands like she is going to give them fellatio. I do care about pictures of little boys with just a tie on and little girls in high heels and butt shots. Those things bother me, but maybe not their parents. I can not understand after the days of Jon Bonet and Madeline that any parent would advertise their children to pedophiles like that. Just insane to me.
That said,I do wish in light of how upset every one has been today that our lovely SUGAR RAY would join us for a bit of discussion ..that would be nice..where are you girlfriend?
Reply@Keane:
Keane I have to reserve judgement on this too, I don’t see her father in this, not from what I know. It would take quite a bit to convince me otherwise, and don’t even really want to discuss, but yeah you are right, of course there coule have been big brother, who knows. all kinds of abuse.
Did anyone here ever see the movie “Sunshine” with Ralph Fiennes?
Reply@harikari girl:
@Togi:
Harikari Girl and Togi,
Hat’s off to both of you for not just surviving but finding a way to thrive.
ReplyJust read the Anna Nicole link re defamation – interesting. The way it was written seems to be that this defamation would only apply to “on-celebs”. Anybody legally know anything about this regarding countries? As in, if the person is from another country – yet “defames” someone on a blog hosted in the US – is it US law or the persons own countries internet laws that apply. Don’t think I worded that very well
Reply@KatCaribsmome:
ReplyUm…Kate, is that youuuuuu? If so, then Oh, my goodness Keane, why haven’t you rabidly attacked her like a wild dog for posting under an “alt”????? You know she could be a “plant”…Maybe it is she who “hacked into your email”…meaning, of course SHE is Angelina Jolie!!!! GASP!
Oh…”on celebs” should read “non-celebs” – I have a temperamental keyboard
Reply@SZ:
ReplySure Keane can “take ” as much as she dishes out…That’s why she runs to Ian to ban people from dishing it out to her…Stop trying to suck up to her. She’s a freakin’ loon.
I’ve been here for awhile and I don’t believe anyone has been banned. Could be wrong though? Why are you so hard up over Keane? Does her opinion threaten you? Just curious because most of the regulars have not had problems with her.@Trusting:
ReplyTrusting said on May 28th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Reply@KatCaribsmome:
Um…Kate, is that youuuuuu? If so, then Oh, my goodness Keane, why haven’t you rabidly attacked her like a wild dog for posting under an “alt”????? You know she could be a “plant”…Maybe it is she who “hacked into your email”…meaning, of course SHE is Angelina Jolie!!!! GASP!
@harikari girl:
ReplyYou are a beautiful person.
@Trusting:
Yes, that was me, not sure what happened there, I posted that earlier, but not did not intend for that to happen, and then the post did not show up, that is strange. I must have picked up part of the user name in front of me somehow. Everyone on here recognizes how I write. Sometimes I post under my name under my email, and everyone still address me as Kate. No secret there , so what is your point. It is the content that Keane takes issue with..
Computer is in the Twilight Zone again.
Cheers, Kate
Reply@BigApplette:
You summed it up – she has an obligation to those kids. And she does have all the time and money necessary to seek out the best possible doctors/ therapists in the world. But yet, she continues to repeat the same cycle over and over.
Thanks for the kind words.
ReplyThe below article/site provides a history and current status of U.S. libel laws. No one is immune, but the U.S. — at the moment — is not as strict as in UK and elsewhere. IMOO, public figures will only sue if they can provide proof that the allegations are false. Just as a defendent would have to provide proof that they did not intend to cause harm, or had proof of their allegation. My info is NOT a legal opinion. Just a layman’s understanding. If the below doesn’t lead you to proper place, search Unfettered Press: U.S. Libel Laws article.
http://usa.usembassy.de/etexts/media/unfetter/press08.htm
Reply@Togi:
ReplyWow, so many women on here with “stories” – it makes one wonder what the real statistics are for women. My therapist said 1 in 3 will be molested (that’s the US, not sure if it’s the same number everywhere). And thanks for the blessing – kindness never goes unrewarded so hope it comes right back and blesses you.
@Kate:
ReplyGood for you making it through. Every parent makes mistakes, the great parents are the ones that admit it…
@harikari girl:
@Togi:
Brave women you are. Very sorry you had to go through all of that suffereing…but congrat’s for overcoming everything. Positive thoughts to you both!
Reply@SZ:
ReplyLibel laws are much stricter for written word in a print (book,magazine, newspaper) than the internet, ISP’s and those attacher are covered under a rule of immunity unless they blatantly lie with intention.
@Kate: Thanks!
Reply@harikari girl:
ReplyLet’s hope Brads parents step in and help those little tikes out. That is where I question some of the stories, because if he allows her to keep the children then I have to wonder fi she did indeed threaten suicide, and if she is heavily on drugs, because that would put the children at risk, and of course if she had a incestous relationship with James and thinks it is fine and made that joke about her child. As a father he owes it to his children to get them out of that mess, image or not. jmo of course
@Trusting: Maybe. Maybe not. I’m not “sucking up” — attempting to find common ground w/ another because I’m intrigued. Not always in agreement w/ how things are “said”, and both of us may not end up on good terms. Then again, we might. I don’t know. Maybe I find this challenging. Maybe I’m working out an issue w/ Keane I have w/ others. Either way, I forgot to add you to the cast of characters here. Smiling.
Reply@Trusting:
let’s relax sister and just have fun like everyone else.
ReplyKeane has been unfairly treated from the beginning, and if many of you knew the history for the last four of five months you would understand why she is on the defense. When a blog is new, and building its base it is not necessary to keep it on track, and Keane has done a amazing job of that. It could have easily been derailed many times over the months. I give her credit for the patience she has had and the beatings she has taken and the insults. What you are seeing now is a result of that. But perhaps now is the time to just step back and let things fall where they do. The blog is doing well, let the chips fly, eh Keane,
No, it’s not about the content. And bullshit that you accidentally picked up a user name. I called you out more precisely than Keane called out LizzieE and PFAB or whatever his/her name was. Don’t front. The question is, why you and Keane wanna call out all these ‘PLANTS” and judge other people when you up to sh*t yourselves? Why you need to be two people Kate? Or is it three now? Sooo a coincidence that your name and Caribsmom’s name got “confused”???? Is anyone buying this ridiculous story????
@Kate:
Reply@Trusting:
ReplyWell I think it is pretty clear that my name got hookep up with hers. If I wanted to be another person don’t you think I would choose another name completely different? At least that would make sense to me, this is pretty clear to anyone that sees it. For the record, I have never once accused anyone of being a plant, I am rather naive at that, I have however recognize a few that have fibbed, because I happen to know that that was told elsewhere. I did listen though and ask questions, and I am always willing to do that. When the person then gets to the point it is obvious they are making stuff up, I drop it, what would you do different?
@Keane:
I am not LIZ E. Why does everyone who doesn’t agree with the madness a plant? Is the paranoia level that deep? Damn.. The stories contradict themselves and you can clearly see IUC is FOS. Ian is Keane and Kate is too. The same writing styles .. The good cop bad cop. Aside, from the site not being worth much money under 10,000 USD. Ian doesn’t have sources who are feeding him things daily about Jolie. If anyone knows anything about Hollywood you would know that this isn’t the case. This is BS this man is trying to make a name for himself off other people’s lively hoods. I don’t care if it’s Pitt, Jolie ,Obama or Scientology. He was sued by the Rolling Stones before for libel. That isn’t his only lawsuit. This man has no money to run around chasing down sources. He’s not even allowed in the US where most of the people live. So how the hell can he meeting and verifying stories. He’s got bodyguards but, yet Angelina,Brad, Church of Xenu haven’t sued him yet? I bet they don’t even know he exists. Lindsey Lohan was pregnant but, she aborts @ 17 weeks. So how would anyone verify his story other than of course Lindsey ? This is BS people.
You can continue to loathe Angelina Jolie but, why follow someone so blindly when he has proven he contradicts what he says almost daily now. The stories are based around topics that most of us know are sensitive. I get gossip about Jolie endlessly. But, why spec on things that are false and this dude hasn’t proved he has or deserves any credibility. I would take everything with a grain of salt. I hope Angelina sues his ass off. But, he has no money and she’s probably taken the professional approach by not playing into this. Knowing it’s just what he wants. Keane/Ian posted on dlisted.com as well as Kate. Ian has pretended before so it’s not a stretch to say that he pretended to be Kate/Keane. Then they spammed the board repeatedly with IUC stories on other blogs etc.. They both post on F&F and a few other places but, even the people over @ F&F know Ian is Keane. They have commented on when Keane is called out on her work history in TV , her dialog etc.. She/he get’s angry etc.. These aren’t people who love Jolie. These are people who have absolutely despise her for 4 years. I have never seen a woman act like Keane. The behavior seems forceful,bullying the lack of respect for other posters unless someone is kissing her ass. If you sit back and observe she comes rather masculine. The writing styles all are very similar. It’s odd she that defends Ian as if she’s Ian or GOD.
That dude from Intouch didn’t know anything about Keane he thought Keane was a man. I didn’t believe he was reading the blog daily as he said before he rushed off but, I do believe Ian is trying to get hits to this site. It makes sense he would post incessantly trying to make it happen. Arguing with posters and spamming “loon” hangouts etc.. I don’t think he cares what he writes. There’s no clarification or follow through. Even if it’s all going to be in the book.
I think you all are being played. Don’t allow your hate for some to make you gullible. Now, you will see attacks from Keane and Kate. I don’t know Liz E and I don’t know AJ or any celeb. I’m not out to get Ian. If Jolie sues Ian then he gets names in mags,gets more hits to the sites etc.. Just what he wants. Think about it. why on earth would a rapist brag to Ian about raping Jolie? What if Jolie filed charges against him ? There are no statue of limitations on filing a police report against someone for rape. The other way to tell if the charges will be upheld is to file the report so.. What if she did? Ian knows it ain’t happening cause it’s all false. He wants Jolie’s attention. Besides being utterly obsessed with this woman he will use her to get famous. I am not here to make you sorry for her. Just read the facts. All these stories of sexual perversion and underage girls/boys. Something aint right .
Reply@harikari girl:
ReplyHarikari Girl, thank you for telling your story. You are an inspiration. And a beautiful and strong person. I also agree with everything you said about AJ. Because she has kids now, she is responsible for getting help and straightening herself out. It’s bad enough that she hurts friends and family because of selfish actions…and she hurts people she doesn’t know, too. But to hurt innocent children is inexcusable. And if she can’t get help to become a better parent, she shouldn’t have the privilege of having those children. jmo.
@Z:
How do you know Jolie is hurting her children?
Reply@Trusting:
ReplyThere have been all sorts of problems with the posts lately, so it’s entirely possible that Kate and Caribsmom’s names got mixed up. I don’t know how this works…but there have been problems with the posts. I have been around a while and believe that Kate and Caribsmom (Tamara) are two separate people. JMO.
@PFAB:
ReplyThe photo ops alone are bad enough and extremely selfish. I feel like you are here to argue and I’m not going to.
@Kate:
Goodcatch Trusting. Now they will say we are the same person. I’m also glad you called out SZ for planting her lips firmly on Keane’s/Ian’s ASS. Funny how she claims to be someone in Hollywood but,she’s busting her knee caps open being a doormat. Incredibly pathetic. If she had any ounce of credibility why would she be here posting on this site entertaining the BS? Is she just another creation by Ian/Keane? I doubt she’s real who in hollywood would beg this much for Ian/Keane’s attention? First she’s defending Angelina Jolie and now she’s against her. It weird how she just seems to have “flipped”. That said, I think Kate is more than one person on the site. Luka is back again.
Reply@Z:
ReplyI am not here to argue with you. I just wanted to know how you could draw this conclusion based on a photo. You make a serious assumption. I seen pics of these kids and they don’t look abused. Did you see pics of them with bruises? Did you hear that the day care facilities, schools etc have filed reports stating abuse? I think the Jolie-Pitts like that camera action. But, I don’t think there’s any abuse going down. Unless you can prove it, I think it’s incredibly wrong for you state this. I for one, would need to see proof of atrocities going before judging someone so blindly. I am not defending Jolie. But, I can’t make this assumption with no proof. Futhermore, does ever get held up to the same standard. It’s not like she made this family by herself. I hear him referring to all the kids as his.
@Trusting: You just wrote — “They both post on F&F and a few other places but, even the people over @ F&F know Ian is Keane. They have commented on when Keane is called out on her work history in TV , her dialog etc..”
OK. Since I am now “sucking up” and possibly drinking the Kool-Aid, I am interested to know exactly how the allegations mentioned above have been confirmed by FF and how you know this for a fact? Just as I came onto this site asking how certain people could be so hateful and believe things as a fact about a person they don’t know, it’s only fair to ask the same to you. I don’t like being directly slammed or associated as a plant, and became extremely angry about it a few times. But when a question is asked in a reasonable way I believe to answer the q helps to clarify things. Even if someone from here posted things at another site it wouldn’t be an unusual PR move. It’s the biz.
Reply@PFAB:
ReplyWell who else do you think I am? My posts are pretty easy to spot. Anyone that has read here since January when I started posting can tell, so can you give me an example of who you think I am as well, because I am not posting under anyone else, and have no reason to. Not sure why anyone would do that, and what the purpose is. I don’t use my real name anyway nor on my email so what would be the point of changing it? Just curious. That makes no sense to me.
@PFAB:
ReplyHollywood is a big place with all sorts of people there…not everyone is a star, by any means. But it is a city with all kinds of personalities…like any place on this Earth – to the small unknown towns…there are all types of people.
@SZ:
ReplyAll you have to do is go over to F&F and type in Keane’s name searching the Pitt-Jolie section. This is not the only site.You can go to datalounge, CDAN etc.. But, try F&F . I need be I can produce the link to the threads in question.
@PFAB:
Replylol I do not post on dlisted or FF, until people mentioned it here, I didn’t even know dlisted had a forum, I have read his funny rants. FF I read some of the links because I do not want to give hits to Lainey or others that I prefer not to go to and there are some very good researchers there. I am not a member of either of those boards. Do you have an evidence otherwise. This is a little silly. Did I do something you?
@Z:
Agreed. But, I can’t readily accuse someone of “unexcusable” acts with out some hardcore verification. I like to gossip but, these is pretty serious shit Angelina Jolie is being accused of.
Reply@PFAB:
ReplyWhy are you so hostile, am I missing something?
@PFAB:
ReplyWhat photo? How about interviews Jolie herself has made about her personality/predilections…and the New York Times article that she is whoring out the kids. NYT’s pointed out her alone, but Pitt is going along with it, so I don’t think he is innocent in this either. They may not have bruises, but they look lost, angry and scared. It breaks my heart to see the pictures when Maddox was a happy, giggling baby…now in almost every picture he is scowling. Shiloh hides behind her blanket. Heart-breaking. And beyond that, Jolie’s behaviour (not just with the children) points to someone with a serious mental illness. She needs help and that was what I was getting at.
@Z:
ReplyI was talking about your accusations about SZ.
@Kate:
If it’s so silly then why are you entertaining it? You were a regular on dlisted and a few other places. I could give usernames but, then you would just deny it. No you didn’t do anything to me persay but, you did offend more than a few women with your cold heated rant. I will say you been posting your hate about Jolie before she even got with Brad Pitt. I remember your posts on Fametracker. Are you going to act like you don’t know what is and you never did it?
Reply@Z:
ReplyI agree Z, but some just do not want to see this, even if a nanny came forward and sat on a witness stand and testified to any abuse there are those who would swear she was lying. sadly I don’t believe the kids are being abused, but they are not being taken care of well either.jmo
@PFAB:
ReplyPFAB, I swear to you on the lives of my blessed children I have never posted on those sites. I absolutely have no reason to lie. I don’t know what else to say. I am sorry you feel that way, but I ahve never done what you are describing. I never paid any attention to Angelina Jolie at all before she was with Brad Pitt.
@Z:
I don’t see all of this in the pics. Jolie Jolie Jolie .. Why aren’t you posting your disgust about Brad Pitt? I think Angelina needs to sit her boney ass down somewhere but, she is hardly abusing them kids. She may be a shit mother to some degree but, she isn’t out right abusing them. I think she’s a typical hollywood mother. I see celebrities getting paid out the ass for baby pics and photo ops. Look at SuRI Cruis.
@Kate- Not hostile at all. I tend to believe your quite uptight.
Reply@PFAB: This was inevitable. Big sigh. I haven’t “turned” on AJ. I disliked (and still do ) the hatred about her. I have had fun being saracastic and playful. I am recovering from an illness. I have too mich time on my hands and this is all new to me. Some of it is very toxic, and some of this is very fun. There again, the perception that someone who lives in H-Wood and has been in various forms of the industry wouldn’t post on a gossip site is absurd. Before other “names” were opening up about their lives and using the I-Net to promote and chat w/ people, David Bowie was doing it. He would chat, IM and post years before all of this Twittering began. My goodness, how shocking that a STAR would lower him or herslef to talk to the masses! Hmmm. I guess you’d rather think that someone in H-Wood would rather be on a porn site than doing this?
Whether or not Keane is Kate or Kate is this person or Ian is that, I can now laugh myself to a quasi-slimber soon knowing that I am now Keane/Kate/Ian/et al. Doesn’t anyone “get” that one person (me) could have differing feelings about people like AJ and BP that could, at times, contradict each other? Ever hear of having an open mind and sometimes juts saying a sarcastic remark for the stupidity/fun of it? Is everyone just ONE person inside? I’m not. I quoted Walt Whitman in an earlier post: “Do I contradict myself? I contain multitudes.”
That’s all she wrote.
Signed, The “Plant.” And a multitude of names on this board. Still smiling, if not laughing a little.
Reply@PFAB:
ReplyAnd I don’t even know what Fametracker is..
@PFAB:
ReplyOK, I know we won’t agree here, obviously, but I have never found Kate to be cold-hearted (if that’s what you meant). She is thoughtful, usually kind, intelligent and posts some interesting ideas (and has a great memory!).
@PFAB:
I’m sorry, because this is an insanely long post that you obviously put a lot of thought and energy into, but I burst out laughing when I read “other people’s lively hoods”. I’m thinking, a hoodie with twinkly Christmas lights? A star-spangled anorak? And I do wonder what is meant by “in the US where most of the people live.” …err, most of the people in the the world? most of the people who give a shit? What a bizarre thing to say. I’m sure there’s more good stuff in there but I couldn’t read the rest of your post because I fell asleep. It’s so boring when people go on and on and on and on about other people’s posts, isn’t it?
Anyhoo, on topic, the Brand is about to implode with a glorious whimper; the backlash has just begun to gain momentum and not a moment too damned soon (IMHO as always; I have no insider information and understand everything here is for entertainment purposes only). Best of luck to Ian and his books.
Reply@PFAB:
Replywell okay, you are entitled to your opinion, not sure why I seem uptight, I am a pretty laid back person, but you will think what you will..can’t change that I guess.
Kate said on May 28th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
@Liz E.:
That is not true, you don’t know what you are talking about, I have sat in court with cases and it is virtually impossible to track someone with just a IP without a name to match it. If people are using community computers especially, just not possible. No one to tell if you were at an a friends posting a ex lovers a library , which is free, on wireless somewhere. no name no address. forget it. People get sued because they use their real names and emails and they make themselves targets. And for the record, you don’t know if someone is getting non legal counsel. jmo sweetheart
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I don’t want to get into a pissing contest with someone over this. It is a complicated and constantly evolving area both technically and legally. I thought I said there were some ways to remain anonymous especially when using community computers like cyber cafes. It goes without saying that if you use someone else’s computer then tracking it back to you would be more difficult – but certainly not impossible. Similarly most libraries require library cards to use their computers so a True Name card would defeat your anonymity. Even programs that anonymize the origins of your internet traffic have weaknesses and pitfalls. It is really not that hard to get an IP and that’s all you need to start your discovery attempts or investigation.
The point being is that it is a huge disservice and irresponsible to suggest to posters and readers here that they can say whatever they want because there is a certainty of anonymity. Most posters on gossip and entertainment sites are not involved in high tech skullduggery when having fun by gossiping on a website. Posters should be careful and responsible with their postings. Each poster needs to decide for her/himself whether and what they want to risk.
You are free to believe what you want but it is scary what is happening in terms of internet privacy especially in places like the U.K. It does not require much to instigate their remote searching of an individual’s internet use including their email – it just takes the “possibility” of a future crime. That is an appalling violation to me and a very low threshold.
Sitting in a courtroom is a lovely pasttime and I encourage people to do that. But sitting in a courtroom does not make you an expert on the issues at bar.
Reply@Kate:
You have kids? Your paying this much attention to Jolie now because she’s with Brad Pitt? Why? I don’t mean to sound like a sarcastic lil wench. But, seriously Kate. Your a grown woman and you get so uptight and hostile when anyone questions Ians. Why? Why would you as a mother have such blind faith in him? I think I will continue to take everything with a grain of salt. If your a working mum, then you know would know women can work and be mommies? I don’t like scrangie much she and pitt look like dirty unwashed ass. But, I don’t think she deserves this. Damn. All she did is get with Pitt.
Reply@SZ:
ReplyHey SZ, cool! “David Bowie was doing it.” Is he still? I was such a huge fan of his when I was a youngster…lol.
@SZ:
ReplyLove that Walt Whitman quote, btw.
@Z:
ReplyThanks Z, but you need not defend me, this person doesn’t like me for whatever reason, that is okay, it is a big world, I am just sorry they think I am someone else that has been that hateful to people on other boards, this is all news to me. Only boards I have even been on are law boards, but okay.
@Kate:
ReplyYeah, Kate, I agree with what you said here, too. I hope and pray the kids aren’t being abused (although the photo-ops border on that, imo). I just don’t have an answer to that one…but they aren’t being properly cared for, imo, as well.
@Kate:
ReplyI guess I just can’t stand to see an injustice done. : ) That was not an accurate description they gave of you, imo.
@SZ:
I NEVER SAID CELEBS DON’T READ GOSSIP BOARDS AND POST. You came across very intelligent and didn’t seem to give in the BS. Now you do seem to be drinking the kook aid and kissing ass full time.
@Jean-Then why are you going on an on about my post?? My long post? I have rarely posted here? My insanely long post ? Glad its just my post then. You fell asleep but, you managed to point out shyt from my post? I guess insanity does that … Don’t forget to take that prozac before you get to bed dear.
Reply@PFAB:
My kids are grown, I agree to an extent PFAB, I think she gets a bad rap on the ‘”she works too much thing” because she is probably home more than I ever was. But, at the same time, I do think she is being irresponsible with adding so many kids to the mix so fast and not bonding with the ones she has. I don’t really hold it against her all that much for hooking with Pitt, that is on him imo, espcially if it is true that they had this going for 18 months while he was with Jen ,mid 2003 to end 2004. Pretty bad wouldn’t you say? You are right we do not know if all of this is true, but what if it is? What if she is doing all of these things, how does that reflect on the future of the children? Doesn’t that concern you a little bit?
IAN, I am not him, but I know him in a way that I trust him, he has a good heart, he does not hate Angie, he wants her to pull it together and get things right, get off the drugs, be with her kids. I know you might not believe that, but I know how he feels about it. That is why I support him. I know he will be honest if he finds out he has been lied to by a source, he will not try try to pass it off as the truth, he will pull it back. That is why I trust him. I know you and others think I follow blindly, I don’t, I question, I annoy the crap out of him at times, but yes I am loyal.
ReplyJean said on May 28th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
@PFAB:
I’m sorry, because this is an insanely long post that you obviously put a lot of thought and energy into, but I burst out laughing when I read “other people’s lively hoods”. I’m thinking, a hoodie with twinkly Christmas lights? A star-spangled anorak? And I do wonder what is meant by “in the US where most of the people live.” …err, most of the people in the the world? most of the people who give a shit? What a bizarre thing to say. I’m sure there’s more good stuff in there but I couldn’t read the rest of your post because I fell asleep. It’s so boring when people go on and on and on and on about other people’s posts, isn’t it?
@Jean: I’m screaming!!!!! SO FUNNY! I noticed the “lively hoods” too. Giggling now. I’ve been on a marathon today. Punchy. Need a good laugh. I rarely giggle. THIS WAS GREAT!!!!! Thank You!!!
Reply@Liz E.:
ReplyI agree Liz, thanks
@Kate:
Kate I don’t know you personally to dislike or like you. Just like you don’t know me.
Reply@PFAB:
Yes, Kate has a beautiful daughter who she spoke lovingly of in this very thread. And I’ve never seen her provoke someone. With the rape article yesterday, she had one response and I had the complete opposite, and she was very laid back and calm.
So…. why are you attacking her???
Reply@Z: Hey you! Bowie did this at least 10 years ago. Don’t know if he’s doing it now.
Signed, ????? — uh, who am I at the moment? If anyone goes back to read the last hour or less of this post, you must have a sense of humour. This is honestly hysterical.
Reply@SZ:
I’m glad I provided a good laugh then. But, it’s funny your poor books that your post on the blog come across pathetic, not to mention filled with errors . Keane pull your pants down now and let SZ plant a firm kiss on it. Talk about a passive agressive. OMG. I can’t even believe you of all people are commenting on someone’s long post and error. SZ when you beam back down please check yourself dear. I don’t want to make you post a novel tonight. NOW YOU HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES !!!!
Reply@PFAB:
Hey that is cool PFAB, we are all different, that is what makes life interesting yes? Nice chatting with you. You guys all have a nice evening , catch you tomorrow, hopefully it will be with all cheers and smiles lol
Thanks, harikari, yeah she is a beauty, she didn’t get it from me so much lol daddy! ha ha
Reply@SZ:
ReplyThe mysterious SZ!! LOL…..well, I’m sorry I may have missed Bowie chatting. That sounds interesting and fun. I was very into Low…may be my favorite album of his. I like his more unusual stuff, rather than the pop…but loved Golden Years, Changes, etc……was pretty young then. Not that you asked…lol.
@Kate:
ReplyNight, Kate. : )
@harikari girl:
I’m not attacking her at all. I have seen her attack posters. Perhaps my opinion differs from yours. So will you now question and attack me. Kate’s hatred for Angelina Jolie seems personal. I merely asked her questions she refused to answer them. I could say Caribsmom/Kate should tend her child more than posting 24/7 about Jolie. Could she neglecting her kid? Maybe her behavior is inexcusable? But, that would be wrong right? Then why are we to assume the worse about Jolie based on photos? We could say Kate’s 24/7 posting on the blog about all Jolie does sexually causes concern. But, you all would attack me and say I am wrong. No proof. But, you can’t accuse someone else of this without PROOF.
Reply@PFAB:
Kate I just used you as a example. I don’t know if you are or aren’t a good parent. I don’t know you and could never judge you based on this blog. I don’t know what your issues are with Scrangie but, damn. I wasn’t attacking you merely, trying to figure out how you come to the conclusions your coming to. But, I have seen people here attacked viciously. .
Reply@PFAB:
ReplyKate wrote: “My kids are grown”…so she wouldn’t have to be tending them…..just to let you know. And if you doubt that, she has said that before….a while ago. If she’s lying, which I don’t believe, she would be quite good to be keeping that story straight.
@Z:
@Z I was using it as an example. I said that in my post. Do me a favor please? Can you get me some hardcore proof since, Ian hasn’t proving that the Pitt-Jolie kids are being abused? I mean substantial proof other than the NYT article that accuses Scrangie of loving the cameras.
Reply@PFAB: Ahem. Had you noticed, I had copied a post from Jean who mentiond the length of your post. I just found what she wrote funny and pasted it. Pathetic? Hmm. So’s you were a’rootin’ for me to knock ‘em down, then? I let you down? Yes, my typing is for sheet sometimes. I usually acknowledge it.
I guess anyone who attempts peace w/ another is “pathetic.” No room for middle ground? No need to answer… Should I just yell at either Kate (who has not attacked me) or stir things up again w/ Keane to not come across as a sorry creature?
Reply@PFAB:
No, actually I don’t attack people, that’s just not my thing. In fact, the only person I’ve torn into on this site was Ian for his IUC exclusive of Angelina being raped and his ‘interview with the rapist.” I tore into him for posting a supposed rapist’s side of the story and didn’t feel that it was something that should be made public period, if it indeed did happen. I ranked on him for “being a journalist”, when most journalist’s try to keep a rape victim’s name out of the press and, if he was going to print such a thing that he should have at least tried to contact the victim and let her have the choice of responding to such an allegation. A rapist who says she loved it? … and was “a horny bitch”?
Yep, that’s the only person I’ve got pissed at – Ian.
ReplyLeft a list of African Models on the “Sudanese Sister Speaks Out” thread. In case anyone want to try a guess about who it may be.
Reply@harikari girl:I am deeply moved by your story. You are a very courageous and healthy person to have sought the treatment and ongoing health you so clearly have. Bravo! and also, thank you for really understanding what it takes for victims to not become perpetrators in their own lives. This is the HUGE differentiating problem with Angelina Jolie, in my opinion. She will not help herself. And that makes me furious.
Reply@Knowone:I think that’s precisely why so many dislike AJ, she has the means and refuses to help herself or her children. Neglect is considered abuse, it’s not just providing food, clothing and shelter, it also includes (although much harder to prove) emotional neglect. I can’t remember what topic someone posted you can’t tell if a child has a problem from a photo – yes you can. In the old days you could open a file and see the notation FLK (funny looking kid) it meant a kid, the doc knew something was wrong with, but didn’t know what. If you work with kids who are “developmentally delayed” (another catch all term) you can see subtle differences between them and “normal children”.
ReplyIf I recall my civics class correctly, it is much harder to prove defamation in the US because, not only does the statement have to be false, it also has to incur economic damage, that’s why most celebrities don’t bother with suing the tabloids.
I think the tide has turned especially among young women who have become mothers and realize what a hard job it is and that adding children before bonding to the previous child is not good for the children. I would say that Suri Cruise certainly has been pimped out by her parents as much as the Jolie Pitt children but she’s usually pretty affable, clearly she’s comfortable with her parents, where the Jolie Pitt children just don’t appear to be very happy. I’m not explaining this well, but the old saying a picture is worth a thousand words and people who work with children or are around children a lot do see differences.
@Kate:Kate, have a question for you, you aren’t the first person I’ve seen remark that MB had a revolving door of boyfriends, yet supposedly she lived with Bill Day for 12 years after the split from JV, so does that mean she and Day had an open relationship?
ReplyOne final thought, children who are abused often idolize the abuser, not the parent who failed to intervene.
Replybb145 For Australians only Sunday night Channel 9 Sixty Minutes interview with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie.
ReplyUmmmmm, geez! Everyone knows I am ma and Kate is herself and we don’t even write the same way or say the same things, that is just insane!! Apparently her reply got mixed up with my name for some wierd cyberspace reason, that;s all it was. Hopefully that’s the end of it from PFAB on that subject. I also think her rants against Kate were totally unfair, but Kate’s a big girl as she has said many times and can defend herself. So having said all that GOOD MORNING EVERYONE!! xoxoxox
Reply@benjaminbutton14:
ReplyWell that’s interesting.. is it to promote IB or what?
Ha ha this is bloody hysterical, I am LMAO as never before believe me! Liz E. Has been around since the very early days before any of the regs have been here & comes back periodically when they can’t think of a new username. They posted a very long post which had been posted previously by Liz E word 4 word on the same thread. Then PFAB charmingly started 2 viciously abuse a victim of rape 4 having an oponion on another victim of rape on that thread. Its called trying 2 destroy someone’s credibility, but like all previous attempts it failed. They know I used 2 post on Dlisted cos I’ve said so a 100 times. Not only have I never posted on any of those other sites PFAB has mentioned, I have never even heard of them let alone visited them – f’ing priceless! I may have posted on FF perhaps once 2 clear something up they were saying about IUC, but I didn’t even register a username just posted 1 post under guest as everyone does. I actually don’t like FF & don’t read or post there. If someone is posting under the name keane I am afraid its not me. Seriously the lengths people will go 2 to try 2 fuck with me is hysterical 2 me! Get a grip psychos! I guess Ange must really be quaking in her boots right now, all because of a few posters on a gossip blog, pathetic. BTW I AM IAN & KATE & anyone else you might want me 2 be. Because there can only be one person in the world who doesn’t like Angie Voight right? That’s what the loons always say its just 1 person making up lies under different usernames all over the web! Yes cos Angie V is so loved there could only be one person in the world who hates her right? Priceless! I’m loving them right now, keep it up!
Reply@keane:Maybe we should just start calling you Sybil! hahahaha!!!
ReplyKate, Keane, SZ, Caribsmom, Harikari girl,
“I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together…”
Figured a little Beatles couldn’t hurt
And I confess a I got near the end I just skipped a bunch of the silly posts regarding other posters and not the topic at hand.
“We are the World, we are the children…” ok, my snarky side refuses to play nice
Reply@Keane:
ReplyThat has been my feeling for a bit. Too much and so much contradictory as well. Just throw so much caca out there that it becomes crazy (crazier than it already really is). BS – agreed.
@Keane:
ReplyWhy do you question anyone’s knowledge? Why would that be curious that she is knowledgeable? I welcome the info and the help with the riddles.
@too curious:
I’d like to teach the world to sing…in perfect harmony! LOL
Reply@cuze:Wow, really?? Sixty minutes with BOTH of them? Maybe it will be on youtube. Can you post the link to the Channel 9 so we can watch??
Reply@fresca:
My theory right now is that stories as I have listed above are being planted by Ange to totally confuse and bamboozle Ian and us. People such as “well/Me” and “Margarita” have been planted here to confuse as even more by presenting alternate opinions and stories about what is really going on with the Brange. I don’t believe this abuse story as I don’t the rape one, or the suicide threats etc for the reasons previously stated. I think they have been planted here to gain sympathy for Ange or to pin blame on other people (Jen being bi, Brad being involved in something dubious at high school etc). They have tried so many other methods of preventing stories about Ange coming out and people reading and believing them that haven’t worked so this is their latest strategy. There were a few new posters who quickly jumped on board to interpret this riddle and say oh this is why Ange is the way she is etc etc, again I think planted. Whether SZ is part of that I can’t say for sure but I find it odd as with a lot of other things she has said before that she jumped on board so quickly with this one and knew so much about it. I could be totally wrong about this and she may be genuine, but I am just calling it as I see it for now. Nothing on this board is as it seems necessarily on this board any more, even the stories. There is a lot of playing and manipulation going on to protect the rep of a certain Ms Angelina Jolie. That is what I’m getting at. Look at the lengths people are going to to attack me and Kate, day after day after day, for months now. Look at how bothered they are just about two people commenting on a gossip blog, it is utterly ridiclous. Just goes to show how much is at stake for them here. I don’t think Ange’s people will give up for one minute with this, Ange is used to getting her way and winning and she hasn’t been here at all. Plus she seems desperate to save her PR neck and knows there is a lot of stuff that could sink her, she is petrified methinks otherwise why would she bother with all this nonsense here. I would be more convinced it wasn’t true if she just left well alone. Anyway, that is where I’m coming from with that. I don’t take anything at face value on this board any more.
Reply@benjaminbutton14:Also, HOW is that going to happen, it must not be live right, cos they aren’t in Australia right now, or are they? Im confused. LOL Must be someone from the channel 9 who went to Cannes and got an interview? Elaborate Please!! LOL
Reply@Keane:
trusting your experience on this one. have a good weekend, all!
Reply@Chilling Effect:
This I found particularly hilarious. Not only must you stop posting on this site to protect yourself from legal action, you must also stop READING it! Hilarious!!!! We could be sued for reading something now – brilliant! These people are the best! Are you going to come out and talk about your ground-penetrating radar and soundless helicopters that are going to swoop over us and get us all now?! Hlarious. Keep it up you do give me a very good laugh I have to say.
Reply@benjaminbutton14:
It will be interesting. I am sure they will say that They are crazy in love to each other, they are a happy and beutiful family, maybe she will confirm pregnant rumors.
After that, everybody here will say that the interview is false and the couple was not there.
Reply@sinker:
Yes just keep an open mind is all I ask, just remember the lengths this woman has gone to to manipulate the world into believing a certain image of her is the correct one. Any little games she may be playing here are child’s play in comparison to that. Let’s just see how all this stuff pans out. I think Ian is very busy right now and his mind is completely on other things. This is why stuff is getting through that otherwise wouldn’t have. We are only focussing on this whereas he is focussing on a hundred and one things. I’ve done jobs before where the Producer/Director’s I’ve been working with get things wrong and I’ve had to step in and say so, even though they are senior to me. You have to use your own judgment really as no-one is infallible. This is just my thinking with some of this right now. Hope Ian is not offended by it!
Reply@Keane:
I understand that, just the person you were questioning didnt sound like a Brangeloonie, just someone knowledgeable about the wackjob is AJ.
The problem that Ian is going to have is if he doenst tie up the loose ends and stop with the mixed messages, he is going to lose all credibility. I belong to another board adn the loons are going wild using his info against him. Im going to believe that he really is just trying to open the world’s eyes to the major deception that is the Brange, but I do wish he would help us out a bit.
Reply@Keane:
Oh and the personal attacks are nothing new from Brangeloonies. They idolize Angie so much that one wrong word about her brings swarms of loons to descend and protect her. On the other board I belong to , when they get banned they come up with new names but still bash the same posters. They are ignorant and stupid and I guess that they think we are as well. So in closing, lol, though I think Skankelina is a media whore and manipulator that her fans are just that nuts to make up multiple names to try to chase people off the boards and to confuse us.
The ones with confusing stories I just ignore. If they cant say who they are, why would I beleive them? They are either trying to confuse us or just insane themselves. So I say hit the ignore button metaphorically.
ReplySeems the adoption from Armenia is on even though the officials have denied it. They,yes they know his name Daryl from the Examiner would like us to know. He says adoptions are easy there but so believe they require one to qualify by the same requirements you would under US law. Someone please tell me they are not buying another child.
Reply@Kate:
ReplyI do wish someone at the State Department would grow a pair and deny the necessary documents.
@Different Guest:
From Brad’s family member, “Let me be clear, if they were not happy they would not be together”
sounds like Doug Pitt
Reply@Kate:Kate, did you see my question about MB and the revolving door of boyfriends & living with Bill Day?
If there wasn’t trouble in paradise why all the fanfare on the board? If they are together would make much more sense to just ignore.
Reply@Different Guest:Funny you mention that old kernel “a picture is worth a thousand words”. I think that’s been the operating philosophy of AJ’s PR machine…..in the remake of her as a “humanitarian.” She no longer gives interviews, b/c she might leak some of her illness with her words. So it’s all about the pics to carry the image. Hauge and Cannes, all just images for the public to absorb. No more words out of her mouth. The occasional “all is well” quote, but she does not trust the press (except the ones she owns that show the pics.” She wouldn’t do another Esquire or Vanity Fair in-depth interview, b/c she’s smart enough to know that these real journalists will write the story that she cannot control….just my two cents about how the images are used to convey her truth to the sheeple.
Reply@Caribsmom:Hey Tamara, I know you are you and Kate is Kate (and I am probably the biggest conspiracy therorist on the board, with CG) LOL. Thanks for that link to the blogger that got sued. Man on man, that was scary to me. But it made me wonder if she had a little more leverage in her lawsuit b/c she is considered a private citizen, not a public figure, like our heroine (eyeroll) Angelina Holie? (shivering and sweating, but bolding continuing my new hobby here….lol)
ReplyWonder who this came from, interesting that all these months, there was not one word of objection about the split, Brad encouraged it in fact, and he allowed Jen to, wearing her necklace, her wearing the one he gave her when they were dating, him being seen alone most of the time and looking awful, nope, not a single word, but when he had to promote his movie, he had his chance with Ann Curry, and still he did not take it, he could have, and not even made a big deal about it, yet they wait and put on somewhat of a show, and then release a influx of articles of he said, she said. Now it seems even Jen has backed off, NE is reporting she wants John back, she is back in LA with CC. It could all be simple if he love his wife, if he is happy, he could just have said so. I suspect he is now in the midst of doing interviews that will be released in July or August for the movie that will sing Angelinas praises, this is just what he did with CCOBB when she said he never wanted babies til he met Angie, but yet there is an article from 2004 where he said the same thing about Jen. Now here is a new one about them fighting, so do they think people did not notice-
Angelina Jolie And Brad Pitt – The Gloves Come Off
CANNES, France, May 29 (TOTI) –
The time for forced smiles and a display of public unity seems to be ending for Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, Hollywood’s most famous and enduring power couple. A cover story from In Touch takes a peek into what’s been happening with Brangelina, and what they’ve found paints an unflattering portrait of America’s most famous boyfriend and girlfriend.
On May 20 Pitt and Jolie were in Cannes for one of their many trips on a red carpet. Usually they’re very composed in such situations. This time, they exchanged ’steely glances’ and ‘heated words’ in front of many onlookers. This rare public outburst should help to strengthen claims that Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are nearing the breaking point in their relationship.
Sources close to Brangelina confirm that animosity has now bloomed where love once flowered so abundantly. The night in Cannes is a prime example.
“Brad was trying to ignore her, but Angie kept making nasty comments about how she didn’t want to be there,” said a source. “She was pushing his buttons as only she knows how.”
Several pictures from the event seem to support this theory. Pitt and Jolie both look visibly irked. That didn’t stop Pitt from forcing a smile when asked how he was enjoying himself at the film festival.
“It’s good fun, man,” Pitt, 45, said. “It’s good fun to be here with Quentin and this lovely lady.”
Even though Pitt and Jolie maintained their composure, witnesses to the event had an alternative view of how things went.
“Angelina looked so angry,” said a source. “She seemed humiliated.”
What’s causing the tension? The text messaging that’s transpired between Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston, of course. Not only that, but Brad seemed to pay more attention to his co-star Diane Kruger, then he did to life partner Angelina Jolie. This did not sit well with Jolie, who is famous for her portrayal of tough women in film.
It wasn’t only Kruger who Pitt paid attention to at a swanky party in Cannes. He fawned over everyone, except Angelina Jolie!
Diane Kruger was very impressed with Pitt.
“I’m extremely excited,” she said about appearing in Inglorious Basterds> with him. “He’s great. I’m really happy about it.”
Jolie didn’t appear to share the joy.
“She hates when women swoon over him,” a source said. “Everyone saw the tension and was making comments.”
The two stayed at the party at La Baoli nightclub in Cannes until 10:30pm. When they left, the affects of their partying seemed obvious to all.
“After a couple of hours, both of them looked pretty sloppy and out of it,” a guest said.
For now Brangelina remains together. But chinks in the armor are appearing. How long will it be before their private squabbling turns into all out war?
http://www.timesoftheinternet.com/78373.html
ReplyHey, I might of just made an unintentional pun….heroine or heroin? (I love words!)
Reply@Different Guest:
Crazy all these opinions we have lol
ReplyYes, meant to reply but then all that mess started. Ah well, lol, how do I put this, no, wait , I could be sued. You understand though , right?
@Knowone:Hiya!! Yea, you bring up a good point, I was thinking of that too. The JP’s are a public couple and speculation about them has been running rampant for 5 years now, online and off, on TV, in print, in coffee houses in private houses etc. Point being, they are a very public figure and therefore “belong” to the public in a way. I’ve heard that saying before, can’t remember where, but yea, I think it would be quite different then a blog about a “private citizen” as it were. Maybe someone on here can clarify that?? Anyone know??
Reply@Kate:
ReplySo now they left at 10:30 pm and not 2:30 am as was previously reported?
@Kate:
ReplyHonestly, I don’t think this came from either of them. This sounds like a few reporters/insiders/stars got together and just had a rundown of their accounts of that night. This is probably what REALLY went down…. what others overheard BP/AJ say in the RC. That whole Diane K thing… a lot of people in blogs/forums noticed the same thing (him paying lots of attention to her). People noticed them looking high/drunk. But why the difference in when they left the club… 10:30pm vs. 2:30am. That’s a big difference.
Take a look at this link by a California Internet Defamation Attorney, he has some good information and too much to copy and paste so here’s the link:
http://www.defamationlawblog.com/articles/internet-defamation-basics/
Reply@Knowone:
On that note, there seems to be a campaign to destroy IAN as well. I went over to FF to read as that poster suggested last night, and there are some posters that were fairly long term here just ripping us all apart over there, and of course when one does it , like wildfire. I know many were offended by the rape story, but what no one is understanding is that is simply a page out of the book. I don’t see how it is any different if we were to pick up a book written on Oprahs life , that talks about when she was a young girl and she was raped, or any other celebrity. The guys language could have been cleaned up a bit, and he said some raunchy things for one who says he feels guilty, and that init self does make me wonder also if it was not a set up. When you research a book you talk to hundreds and hundreds of people, and IAN was just giving us a glimpse into her life in the making while he was trying to get a release signed by the sister of this Sudanese so he could tell us what went down at Cannes, her being next door to Brad in a swanky 5 star, people can keep saying they do not believe that story, but there has to be a reason she was parked next to him, what was it?
Then we have Ted C at Eonline with his Truth Lies little vid about 2 weeks ago where he said , yes there are 3 books in the works, 1 by Edward Morton, and 2 by two other well know names (people missed that part, recognizable names) and one of them has great access to Brange and the other one not so much. Now with that little piece of information the people at FF have decided he means IAN, never mind that Ted said they were still shopping for a publisher, (IAN alreardy has one) and they all together now decided IANS book would be not worth reading and that a tabloid is more reputable.
Funny they rip apart Keane and call me a koolaid drinker basically, one was offended I called us little indians (sorry bout that, bout you are being much too sensitive, my children sang one liltte two little, etc and who knows maybe I am Cherokee. Just looking for reasons to pick. Now if that is not the pot calling the kettle black I don’t know what is, because there is some pretty vile disgusting things that I read over there that have been posted, so how in the world they can say that this blog offends them is beyond me. There are posts there where people have wished Angelina dead, Brad, also the children, and on and on. I was shocked at some of the things I read, yet they are offended by a small part of Angelina’s life. Not offended that she was licking a dogs balls, they all seem to have some fun with that on I noticed, shaking my head, I do not understand the logic, nor am I looking for a debate on this.
I just wanted to comment on what I see going on. There is a media blitz of Brad against Angelina, then Brange agianst the split rumors to appease the IB premier, a blitz against anyone writing a book that might have anything negative, even to the point a colleague may be part of it. He even goes as far as saying Brad is lovesick over Angie, just a suttle way of calling IAN out. Now this is jmo of course, not all will agree, but it is what I believe is happening. It remains to be seen as to whose sources are correct. If they are indeed split and living seperate lives then this campaign to make people think they are not will only make them look more foolish in the long run, and even bigger liars most people are aware of. JMHO
Not checking this for typos, ciao’
Reply@Kate:Yes, thank you, explains a lot doesn’t it? Still no excuse for an adult not to deal with their own demons before bringing children into their universe. The odd thing is, the attacks on you are inclining me to believe there is trouble in paradise. If there weren’t why bother?
Reply@Angie’s Fax Machine:
ReplyI would bet that is 1:30
@Caribsmom:
Thanx for the link. This one’s interesting:
http://www.defamationlawblog.com/2008/10/articles/internet-defamation-basics/think-you-know-about-online-defamation-lets-see/
Reply@Kate:I haven’t read over there recently, but I did see posts a month or so ago speculating about IUC and bashing Ian’s cred. I think it’s because what IUC is doing is completely fresh and new. It straddles many genres, it is gossip and it is investigative journalism and it is book promotion, all rolled up in one delicious blog. I think people are always threatened with something new. I love it, and I’m a free thinker, and I can make up my own mind about what is true and what is perhaps a shaky source and what is raw (and fun) speculation by the sidelines (us). I think some of that IUC bashing is simply those long-time posters who have been on to the Brand scam for a long time, and feel that perhaps Ian is getting a little spotlight taken away from them. Get over it, it’s the internet….not like Ian is stealing their little corner of the world. LOL
ReplyThis one’s good to read too. Check out #3:
http://www.defamationlawblog.com/2008/10/articles/internet-defamation-basics/5-common-misconceptions-about-online-defamation/
ReplyThat’s the great and burning question, why hasn’t Ian been sued?
Reply@Different Guest:I think it’s because he follows journalistic law with sources. I mean, the guy writes some pretty inflamatory books. I’m working on a book right now (my memoir) that is very inflamatory, and worried about how I would ever get it published without getting sued, and I’m telling the truth in it. So, yeah, truth is the ultimate defense, but it doesn’t mean that you won’t have to defend it in court, and I’m unwilling to go to court even knowing I will win (b/c the experience of defending one self in court is in itself fairly traumatic.) My point is, Ian is not Perez Hilton, he a book author who already knows and understands defamation. I am only an onlooker here, a person who gets a glimpse at what will be in the book. I’m not worried about Ian being sued, because Damn, wouldn’t that have already occurred?
ReplyYano Kate, i’m wondering if most of this “new” information isn’t just for free publicity with so many failures for both Ange and Brad. Just saw one on Dlisted saying Angie Rushed To Hospital….she got a scratch doing a stunt…big deal! Who was it who said, “Bad Publicity Is Better Than No Publicity At All”….i’m thinking the fact that IAN is writing a book on her life is giving her ideas how to embellish facts in order to get more attention since the Bermuda Triangle thing is wearing thin for many….She’s one sick, twisted sistah@Kate:
ReplyA military saying, “Offense is the best Defence”….attack IAN’s credibility and muddy the waters covering the facts as they exist, whether IAN has had copy proof or not, a lot of people are so into the BRAND, they will willingly follow/believe whatever AJ puts out@Knowone:
ReplyI should also say that I choose to support Ian because of what he did to expose Scientology. That was a very, very brave move in my opinion, and he’s still alive having done it. LOL Bravo Ian!
ReplyAnd….after Canne, Jolie went back to NYC to resume filming while Braddy went to party in Monte Carlo. Seems one day of togetherness was more than enough for them both@Kate:
ReplySorry, not serial posting, just got home from the opthamologists office and the dialation drops finally wore off….playing catch up
ReplyVery true imo. I’m planning to purchase IAN’s book on Angelina Jolie: A Fairy’s Tale, and his expose’ on Scientology as well. They had planned to build a small Scientology facility within walking distance of my home a year ago, but it fell apart….i decided to look into the “cult” then….scarey, very scarey. IMO@Knowone:
Reply@Patty Anne:My feeling about that “religion” is this: people are free to believe whatever they want. But that is NOT a religion, it is a business…a multi-level marketing scheme that exists solely to bilk people out of their hard earned money. It should be taxed as such. Other countries are much more aware of this hideous scam than the U.S., but they are catching on to how very, very damaging that cult is….and much of that awareness is due to Ian. I like Ian and what he stands for as a journalist.
ReplyI too like IAN for his integrity, and i admire his guts in exposing those who would prefer to stay hidden in the dark while they do great harm to people who know no better. Cults are a very dangerous thing, especially in hard economic times such as these….look at Jim Jones and his followers? Blindly believing everything he preached without question….very scarey. I don’t understand why so many highly successful, educated, wealthy celebs are so deeply imbedded in Scientology….just don’t get it@Knowone:
Reply@Kate:
Yeah exactly different boards have different cultures of what is and isn’t acceptable seemingly, and you’ve got to go to the one whose culture fits your views. At Dlisted it was acceptable to say things like “who cares about this dying slag” about a young mother of 2 dying of cancer (Jade Goody), whch I found despicable and nobody thought Britney Spears suffered from any mental illness, they just thought she was acting out and spoilt which I strongly disagreed with. It was also acceptable to laugh at people who were overweight like Princess Bea who was hardly big, probably a size 12-14 if that. For some reason some views were acceptable on there that aren’t in real life in my opinion. Plus according to them Ian is just a muck-raker and not objective. There were a lot of great people there but just a few that spoiled it for me. MK is great though. But FF just seems to be full of people offering wild conspiracy theories which may have some basis in truth but nobody seems to worry about getting any grasp on who the person saying it is and whether they are trustworthy. So how does anyone know what to believe? To me its a waste of time. And yeah people are pretty full of hate. But as to what they think about me I find it hilarious that they even care or bother to have an opinion. And at the end of the day, they do not know me at all, its just words on a page, talking to other words, bizarre!
Reply@SZ:
Replythat was a fun read! loved your descriptions of the some of the characters here.
@Kate:
ReplyRespectfully to you and the other posters i think “outing” that someone was raped is inappropriate. i read the stories of the few posters that said that they were raped themselves and i applaud them for their courage and I am happy that they got help. However, people are different. You can’t expect that everyone will act the same in a similar situation. Not all battered wives act the same, not all abused children act the same ect. That’s all I’m saying. A victim should never be blamed. A molested child should never be blamed. I’m not debating Ian’s story, I’m not debating whether a certain celebrity uses the media. For the record Oprah herself acknowledged that she was abused. She herself has spoke about it. “There but for the grace of God go I”, my heart goes out to anyone that has been abused by anothers hand, especially an innocent child.
@fresca:
No I don’t think she is a loon, just had other suspicions. I think there is lots going on behind the scenes now which is making this site less straightforward than it used to be. Ange feeding Ian stories to make her look good, confuse him, discredit him, discredit Brad and Jen and so on and I think some of them are slipping through, which has forced me to reassess quite a few of them. There have always been a lot of plants here from day one, I don’t think a day has gone by when they haven’t been here. Its interesting to see how the plants react. When you don’t get all the agressive, vicious “Ian is a liar” type comments from the plants it gives me the impression this is coming from Ange. And this is what has happened with this one and others. But I have to say I totall agree with you with regard to the stories which are suspect and I think Ian really needs to sort it out because of course it will discredit him. There are several to me that I find very suspect just because of who it is coming from and what it says, they do not pass the litmus test to me. If I were Ian I wouldn’t have published them and if I already had I would pull them. It confuses people and makes him look like he doesn’t know what he’s doing. But its not my blog so its not my call. But yeah I totally agree with what you’re saying and I think it needs to be sorted out. Some things are quite obviously planted stories.
Reply@Keane:Keane, when you’re as bright and articulate as you, my dear, you’re a threat. That’s just how smart girls get it in this world. And, I love, love, love your wit and intelligence. And you’re right about different cultures on various boards. I feel exactly the same way about you and the mean-spiritedness at D-Listed. Love MK and his sense of humor—can’t read the posts because of what you describe. I think we here are polite, respectful and smart. I like our long drawn out observations of life and the celebrity culture and what it does to societal mores and values. I think it is a long-overdue discussion amongst the people of the world. I also love the variety of voices here. Don’t let the jellus h8ters get you down, Keane (LOL, like my loon speak?)
Reply@harikari girl:
Replymuch appreciation for the post, harikari girl. you deserve some peace and happiness. thank you for having the courage to get help and to post about it.
@TobyKat:
Yeah and this is what makes me think it was fed to Ian to make him look bad. Its a double whammy as it were, make us sympathise with Ange and question Ian’s judgment in posting it in one go. I find the story highly suspect. How many men would go to a gossip blogger and freely admit to raping the most famous woman in the world when she was a minor? Who would admit that to anyone? Does he have a death wish? And the fact that it went on for 2 hours in a car in a school car park and nobody saw, yeah right. I very much doubt that story to be honest and I think it was a mistake to post it. The nature of this stuff is very sensitive and should probably be left for the book in my opinion.
ReplyOkay I got curious after reading Kates comments and took my own little trip to FF to check it out. Phew! After I waded through umpteen pages I finally found a SEARCH and was able to put in IUC. They DO NOT like us and they DO NOT like Ian. LOL They are now saying that even Kate and Keane don’t believe Ian’s stories anymore. And oh yeah, Keane is definitely IAN as the malevolent gatekeeper! LMAO
Reply@Keane:
ReplyAgreed, thanks Keane
I keep thinking of the saying, boy i’m full of sayings today!, Can’t see the forrest for the trees. So many show up here and begin attacking those who’s posts seem to be most “on target” encouraging the most dialog to figure out exactly who, what, when…..then it’s all fragmented, people are too busy explainging their theories, or defending themselves to concentrate on Jolie The Evil Queen of The Rainbow Tribe….soon to be more. I think i will just narrow my vision of the topic, and only address that. Besides, SR has me confounded with this latest riddle….lol. P.S. I love watching the wheels go around in so many diverse brains….it’s a treat to be amonungst to many deep thinkers as you all are
Reply@Knowone:
Ha ha ha, that’s funny, thank you! Yes I think Ian, Kate and I have tried to establish the culture of the blog and make sure it keeps to that. We have a lot of other likeminded posters too now so its getting a lot easier. Its a shame though that people have been put off by things like the rape story or are under the illusion that if they post here I will bully them away. I only go for fakes, loons and troublemakers, nobody else. Come here and be respectful and you get respect back, it’s as simple as that. Come here looking for trouble and don’t get upset if someone comes back at you! The concept that we can’t tolerate someone else’s opinion is utterly bogus; an opinion is a view on the story or someone else’s comment, an opnion is not: Ian is a Liar, you are a bully, I am going home to tell my mommy etc. Its ridiculous! Anyhoo let’s keep it up with the intelligence and the humour and let the jellis h8rs have fun on other boards!x
Reply@Knowone:Smiling @ jellus h8ters! LOL I don’t go to D-Listed anymore either because I just think its so mean spirited, I mean every single story has some twisted rhetoric attached. I gave up after the Oscars tweet, it was beyond absurd. Sorry MK! I like some of your stuff but not enough to go back.
Reply@Caribsmom:
Yeah I love how I can simultaneously be Ian and not believe Ian’s stories any more. They need to work on that theory a bit don’t they? I don’t think we’re missing anyone from that board, they can stick with that one and their wild conspiracy theories. Although I have to say they’re on track with some things, the fake pregnancy and so on. Its a shame they can’t apply that judgment and analysis to the stories on here.
ReplyI would like to know:
ReplyJennifer is said to be in NYC shooting The Bounty Hunter….True or False?
Jennifer is said to be considering taking John Mayer back….True or False?
Angie is back to shooting in NYC…Brad is where…………..____________
Has Angie turned over the chateau in France to Brad?……..____________
Any more news about Angie adopting by herself?…………..____________
Where did the supposed marriage take place and was it legal ?___________
Where did an annulment take place in that case?……………___________
Is Angie pregnant again as reported?………………………..__________
Okay, those are the questions in my mind right now….i have my own beliefs on some, like no way someone weighing 98 lbs can be preggers so soon after C-section delivery of twins….(cough, cough)
Ian, what is going on in Brangie land?????
I am dying for an update after the hot mess that was Cannes. Michelle O is interesting, but nowhere near as exciting as Angie Jo!
Reply@Patty Anne:Oh yea, one more thing: BenjaminButton says that Australian Channel 6 is doing a 60 minute interview with Brad and AJ together. Now, they aren’t in Australia are they? So, was this an interview they did together in Cannes? BB – if you’re reading please provide a link to this info, or a link to Channel 6 so we can tune in. Thanks! Does anyone else know about this interview?
Reply@Caribsmom:The interview is supposed to be on Sunday
Reply@Keane:I would like it if Ian would pop in more and join the discussion. It would help stave off some suspicion amongst the natives here. And of course, we always want to get some guidance from the CEO. LOL
ReplyOh yes..i’d love to see any interview they did together in Canne….thanks for the heads up…@Caribsmom:
ReplyPlay Wink
ReplyOn my end, I no longer have that feature when you can put your curser on the name of the person who replys and see what they previously wrote. Does everyone else still have that features. do de do do (that’s the Twilight Zone music, case you’re wonderin’).
Reply@Knowone:
ReplyNot in this thread. For some reason it works in the other posts, but not this one in particular. Wacky.
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Reply@Caribsmom:
Replybb14. Well my friend saw it advertised she said he was wearing a cream suit with one of those revolting scarfes that he wears so my guess it was done in Cannes. There has been no link to it as yet but usually these types of interviews going by past when they did one for Cate and Brad for tccobb it went onto youtube. Anyway I will keep my eyes and ears open . I wonder what shit they are going to dish out. I think mickeyB is from Australia she might know more about it. My money is on how they have quizzed the reporter Tara Browne what questions not to ask. I’m glad they not here in Australia we have enough of that swine flu raging here, without them stirring things up.
@Angie’s Fax Machine:Good to know, I’m not being “targeted” by Mercury in Retrograde. LOL.
Reply@Kate:
Replybb14, U don’t know if it means anything there was a photo of Jen in ne of our papers an uptodate one I must say and she was wearing a band on her left hand wedding finger, IDK if it means anything tho
@Caribsmom:
Is this the FF comment you are referring to? “OK. Read the most recent post about “Devil in the blue dress.” The comment section has both K & K calling bullsh!t. They are saying that the past few weeks of AJ stories are not believable and suspect a set up by someone in AJ’s camp.”
because that seems like it might be accurate, based on the comments in this thread. or am i looking in the wrong place? oh dear, don’t want to start an FF fued. just curious.
Reply@cuze:
Replybb14, Probably I read it needs all the attention it can get. Actually I saw a preview of it the other nite it isn’t realeased here in OZ till August I didn’t like it much and if Brad is hoping for a Golden Globe or Oscar then he is barking up the wrong tree, I doubt very much whether they will let the subject of their relationship be quizzed so god knows what they will say. Sorry to so late in answering this OZ is over a day behind.
@Caribsmom:
Replybb14. No they are not here in Australia. For him to be wearing that cream suit I think the reporter was in Cannes. I have no clue as to what they will be talking about. Probably his movie, but I can guess absolutely not about their private non-existing life. Anyway it’s Saturday morning here as I write this (30th) Where is mickeyB she is an Aussie as well maybe she knows more. Where are you mickeyB?????
Jen is in LA, she went to the Fleetwood Mac concert with CC Thursday night.
John Mayer…Not
She starts shooting The Bounty Hunter sometime June, 15th.
Reply@benjaminbutton14:Thanks! Yea, I agree the reporter will be under a gag order for sure. Thing is, WHY would they do the interview together if the topic can only be about the movie, and for an HOUR!!! Thats almost as long as the movie itself! haha He only talked to Ann Curry for a few minutes and was squirming just seconds into it. he is soooo uncomfortable giving interviews now, he used to be so charming and easy going. Too many lies to juggle I think.
Reply@sinker:Yea, that’s one of them, there are so many more and all organized in boxes so you really have to dig through. I also saw one where they called Ian out about three books he was writing that were all about himself and he answered that it was BS, so at least we know Ian reads there and comments too!!
Reply@sinker:Smiling at myself – I also did a search for Caribsmom and it came up 0 results Phew! So it appears that I haven’t offended anyone yet! LOL
ReplyI do wonder if some of these conflicting reports about the state of their relationship is being drummed up for the purpose of creating focus on Pitt. A source close to Pitt is the one who is putting out the breakup rumors, at least to Ian, yet it is Pitt himself who is denying the rumors to the media. Makes no sense. I remember when Ann Curry was interviewing Pitt and asked him if he was worried about the controversy the film may elicit because of the violence involved. Pitt said “no, a little controversy was good”. So I wonder if that is what some of this is about,is he using the same principle here with his relationship to Jolie to bring focus to him for the sake of creating interest in this movie.
ReplyNo, i’ve noticed it’s gone too…..wish we’d get it back, it made it easier to understand some posts@Knowone:
ReplyIf she’s begun shooting The Bounty Hunter, a wedding band would be for her role as the Bounty Hunter’s abscounded wife…@benjaminbutton14:
ReplyThanks Fan@Fan:
Reply@sinker:
I mean yes that is what we both think, but again, these people can’t take us as gospel. Kate has other sources of info than this site which she judges things against so maybe she knows more than I do, but for me its just a guess based on the nature of the stories lately. I don’t believe the rape story, that she was going to run for Prez (Ian said he wsan’t sure about this one too), the everyone hates me except BBT and JLM story and the threatening suicide story because of the way they’re written and the nature of the sources. The abuse story I wouldn’t like to say, it is possible of course but the only people who can say for sure are those who were involved, and they could be lying. Ian and SR have made suggestions of abuse before now so it is possible but I am concerned that these stories are being leaked by her and to make us sympathise with her. It was when Ian admitted that he was getting so many ridiculous stories thrown at him by friends of her’s that I thought yes something is defo going on here. There may be truth to this story but there is no way we should be discussing it here in case it is completely fabricated. And again, people at FF shouldn’t be taking things Kate and I say as gospel, we may not be right either, its just our take on things. I’m on the fence with this one, its just that the subject-matter is so sensitive there is no way I would speculate on it, I would need to see a lot more evidence of it first. I have an open mind on this but other recent stories were definitely planted in my opinion, yes.
Reply@Patty Anne:either they were students of the late Milton Kastellas(sp) or there have long been rumors about their sexuality and/or they are high school dropouts. I can’t think of any well known members who actually finished college – I don’t think Kirstie Alley did.
Reply@Caribsmom:
: ) same here
Reply@Keane:I think this all goes to the nature of writing biographies of living people versus historical figures. The truth is always subjective, ain’t it? Depending on whose point of view is telling it. So, I do believe much of what Ian is saying, b/c I have to think the guy has some pretty fierce libel lawyers on speed dial. My “take” on this blog is that it is kinda like discussing book excerpts. Many magazines publish book excerpts before the book is published. This is really no different, except that it allows for the readers to then discuss the book excerpts, like a book group. I think if you can’t believe what Ian is printing, then you probably are a person (like me) who takes an open mind when reading any biography, like Cybel Shephard’s book in which she talked about her romps with Elivs and how Nike Cage behaved like a total freak. She avoided a Nick Cage lawsuit after the book was published by saying she “exaggerated” her accounts of him. This is all part and parcel of writing any book that talks about other people. People who do not like being talked about. Truth is the bottom line here, and I do believe these stories, as horrendous as they are. It’s a whole ‘nother discussion as to whether we agree that these personal revelations should or should not appear in a biography. In my opinion, how much is any biography worth if it only discusses a person’s achievements, without delving into the totality of the person. JMO, as always and forever more. LOL
ReplyJust returned from grocery shopping, looks like the sharks are circling, at least three of the rags had trouble in paradise covers.
Reply@Keane:
thanks for clarifying. feeling like an amateur with all this master media manipulation going on
Replyhave a great weekend!
If Brad was wearing the same suit for this 60 min interview he word for Ann Curry then I doubt he will be doing the interview with Angelina, they probably talked to each of them seperate,he dodged all questions, and did not change his tune til later that night.
Jen has wore a ring on that finger before , right around Oscar time when all the Brad and Jen stuff started.
She starts filming June 15 and Brad does too, right about there, both in LA. I still think there is more to it with them. I just don’t see the point of all her cute little leaks and him wearing her necklace at the dinner the night before the Cannes and exposing it so deliberately, them fighting in the car over her, his parents pushing him to her, if there is not.
Wish IAN could tell us more on this Sudanese model, I suppose that would clear it up, whether he is in love with her, he was keeping his adversary close, or he has reunited with Jolie.
Reply@Kate:
ReplyKate, what I find odd is that the Sudanese is spilling very personal information (pregnancy, being in love) to Ian. Now, I could see if was her ex boyfriend and she wanted revenge. But who talks to a media source about your boyfriend when she is supposedly so in love with him? 23 years old is a bit young but she can’t be so naive that she doesn’t know that would be a no no. Pitt has to know that she is the one who told it.. it’s written right here on this blog. There also has to be some communication between the two if she spent the time right there next to Brangie’s room. So much info is missing here.
Also looks like Mayer may be brought back into the mix with all the reports of them wanting to get back together.
ReplySwooooosh! Plunk! Hi to anyone out there! Just parachuting in from H-Wood and sending good wishes to all. Want to make a public delcaration: Anything ever written by anyone using the initials “SZ” on this site which may pertain to the behaviour of any public figure, living or dead, has been done in a total and complete speculative nature. No intention to defame, discredit or otherwise inflict harm upon said person(s) has been involved, other than one particular person who has already been publically exposed for amoral acts via previously published copywritten materials.
Now, with that said, I’d like to send a note to my new BFF, PFAB: I well tipe vury slowly sew dat eye donnut meke any moore tipos inn mye pasts. Peeze now cee me suuk ep tew Keen and Cate: Hi, Keen! Unjoyed yer tak on thu senzeteve subgect if these past. Eye ajree wif yew. Hi Cate: Gled yew hed a chence tew reed whot FF have bin wriddeng abut yew and Keen.
Reply@Patty Anne:
On another thread when someone gave a brief description of the plot of the Bounty Hunter I remember thinking, that would be hilarious if BP were to replace GB in it
Reply@too curious:
ReplyNow that would be great!
@Angie’s Fax Machine:
ReplyMaybe one of his prison mates will sing “Be my, Be my Baby” to him.
way too much bickering and elitism. everything posted is an opinion. we all know that. the IMO, JMO and other stuff that gets sprinkled throughout a post to reference that is really not necessary.
unless you can actually cough up some names/sources.
arguing about it really kind of pointless.
Reply@SZ:
Your just like Keane you don’t know how to move on. Your sad case dear.
Reply@PFAB:
CORRECTION: Your a sad case dear. I don’t know why someone with that supposedly in the BIZ would waste time arguing and trying to prove themeself on a blog. It does make you wonder. If you are truly in the biz why would you give so much detail about yourself? I am sorry you said yourself your ill.
Reply@Different Guest:
There’s been trouble in paradise for 4YEARS NOW. Every other week according to the tabloids.
Reply@Caribsmom:
Carib/Kate: You got curious after reading your own comments? LOL Yeah next time try not to post as two different people at the same time. My guess is you were about to post as Kate and still hadn’t deleted Caribsmom out of the name field. Simply common sense does work if you apply it honey.
Reply@Keane:
Don’t flatter yourself .. Nobody is taking a gawd damn thing you say as gospel @F&F or pretty any forum or blog around. Get your head outta your own anus and stop the BS you keep spewing. IF ANY OF YOU ARE READING VARIOUS SITES AROUND YOU WOULD KNOW 95% OF WHY NOONE WILL COME TO THIS SITE ANYMORE IS BECAUSE OF THE BULLSHIT ASS STORIES AND KEANE/KATE AND A FEW OTHER CULTIES ATTACK OTHER POSTERS WHO DEAR QUESTIONS IAN. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
Keane you know damn well I’m not Liz but, it’s funny who you pulled that outta your ass. Are you trying to compete with Ian now? I think you need to snap outta of it. I don’t need to use multiple handles to get my point across.
Replyuh, dunno what to say ’bout all dis mess….
Reply@PFAB:
Its YOU’RE not YOUR dear, please try to remember that. Grammatical errors always make you sound a bit ridiculous when you think you are making witty putdowns and are trying to sound bigger than everybody else. Yawn.
Reply@PFAB:
And all the caps, calm down PFAB, take a chill pill, it’s alright, we’re all friends here (well most of us), we don’t need this kind of hysteria and bile. You’re a bit more effective as Liz E. I have to say, she’s a bit less inflammatory although admittedly no-one really cares what she says either. Sorry I noticed all your planted PR stories but they were completely lame so its no great surprise really. Methinks Ms Jolie may be sending you your P45 any day soon now, you just can’t get a grip on this protection thing can you. With all the money she has the best PR person she can afford is you? Shocking! I believe Max Clifford is available. He would be a lot more effective than you, sorry.
ReplyOk, with all this insulting and sh*t, (which by the way is actually getting far more addicting than Ian’s site), can I get a clear picture here…I’m really trying to understand…
ReplyOk, you honestly believe that Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt monitor and contribute to THIS site…no other less obscure ones, just THIS one…?
I’m trying to be respectful, but can you understand that someone MIGHT find that hard to believe? And no, the answer isn’t that Ian has the only blog that trashes them FF did it first, so….why don’t they post over there? Bigger audience, more threads…I’m just asking the question, flame away if you must, but….C’mon….??????
@Uh-oh:
Replywell Brad does not know how to use the internet lol, FF is a message board, there are no stories breaking on there that will be featured in the book released this fall by IAN, that alone, yes would make this site a target for at least someone to watch for leaks and reports. SR I believe also does know Angie, so that is why there have been the poems written to her.
@Kate:
ReplyOk, this anonymous blogger on an obscure blog KNOWS Angie…how? Has anyone asked how? He’s seen her suck a dog’s balls? He knows that happened ? I mean, really? really? He’s in her bedroom? Really? Really? Having orgies with ARod ??? Really???? Really??? Oh and COINKYDINK he knows Brad’s obscure sexual highschool history! He’s a rapist or a rape victim, but then, wait, Angie got raped in highschool…And none other than the RAPIST talks to IAN… Who would know this, people??????? Who???? Don’t give me your bullshit IUC answer. Answer my question. Who would know this about Angie????
@Uh-oh:
ReplyI was going too,but you were incredibly rude.
@Uh-oh:
Quite simple really, two of Ian’s sources told him that. The first one was either a nanny or a friend of the nanny, she told Ian Ange was monitoring the site every day and had begun posting on it. I think if you saw a site was publishing stories about you engaging in sexual acts with dogs and so on you would probably want to monitor it. The next source was one of Ange’s former fuck buddies who told us Ange just got with Brad to take herself to the top of the pile in HW. She e-mailed Ian once that story was posted to say that Ange had e-mailed her to say if she talked about the threesomes they’d had with a certain A-list actor then she would sue, her and Ian. Its pretty simple really. BTW most celebs have PR firms who constantly monitor the stories written about them in the press and online, that is their job. They then will release other stories to counter negative ones or issue denials or whatever to try to protect their brand. That is what PR is – what did you think these people were paid big bucks to do? The fact that Brad and Ange would both be monitoring this site and have PR people constantly reading it and trying to dissuade people from reading here is really no big shock. And how do you know they aren’t doing it on other sites too? I have frequently seen posts from an alleged “insider” on negative stories about Ange in particular on other boards saying this wasn’t true, they were there so they have a superior knowledge and so on. I think her PR people are doing it all the time. Its just that the stories on this site are way more explosive and potentially damaging to the money-making brand so they are putting more horse power into it. BTW just FYI, celebs don’t walk on water, they are normal breathing, eating, sleeping, thinking (sone of them) human beings, just like everyone else. They do the exact same things that everyone else does, including using the internet, especially when anything on it may affect them. Try not to be deceived by the big celebrity con that exists in the world. They are just the same as you and I.
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