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		<title>By: Liz E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 02:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Different Guest said on May 25th, 2009 at 5:09 pm 
@Liz E.:Private Judge, not filed in the county of residence, records sealed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This was in response to my post asking for the details of an alleged custody case or other court case involving Pitt and/or Jolie. 

Different Guest&#039;s response suggests a misunderstanding of the court procedure and the meaning of &quot;private judge.&quot;  

Private Judge does not mean Secret Judge.  We do not have &quot;secret judges&quot; in the U.S. civil or criminal judicial system.  Private judge just means privately paid by the parties as opposed to government paid.

If either Angelina Jolie or Brad Pitt had taken legal action or if either has any legal action pending then we would all know it.  That fact that a case was filed or is pending and that case number would be on the record and would not be sealed. You do not seal an entire case or the existence of the case in such matters. The parties can ask the presiding judge to seal certain documents or even hearings or certain testimony if they can convince the judge there are grounds to do so. Many times parties request the sealing of their financial documents for obvious reasons.   But again you would know that they sealed financial records.

If the parties want to avail themselves of a private judge then after the case is filed they request the presiding judge to appoint a private judge. That formal request is on the the record. We would know about that. If the presiding judge (i.e., presiding over the case) decides to grant the request for the appointment of a private judge then s/he issues a  formal order appointing a private judge. That order is part of the record and includes the name of the private judge. So if that happened we would all know when it happened and who the private judge is.

A private judge is required to follow the proper rules of civil procedure like regular judges in regular court and the events/hearings/rulings/etc of the case are still put on the record for the public to see.  When a private judge issues his/her rulings those rulings are also filed on the record and you can read them.   

Futhermore, any hearings or trials held by the private judge are required by California law to be open to the public. If anyone wanted to attend they would just have to ask.  So nothing becomes secret just because you use a private judge.  For the most part you hire a private judge to speed the process up, not to hide things. Now because hearings, etc. are not held at a courthouse then it may be harder to learn when hearings or other case related events are scheduled before a private judge and that alone can keep people away.   But there is no way that a case involving Jolie or Pitt would stay quiet or &quot;secret.&quot;. 

As for sealing case related matters, parties still have to file requests with the court to seal anything and state the grounds for such requests.  So the public would also be able to view such requests - maybe not the grounds though.  Potential embarrassment is rarely considered enough to get a sealing order.  

The location of filing would make no difference. It would still be public and known by all.

In any event, if there had ever been or were currently any court cases involving Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie the public would know about it. So please no more of this &quot;Brad filed papers,&quot; &quot;Angelina has lost custody&quot; unless you can cite the case.  This is why asking for details and facts (such as dates, names, places, lawyers involved)  should be part of everyone&#039;s discussion when confronted with gossip and given no corroboration or proof.

Sorry for the length but I thought some readers might be interested in facts and reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Different Guest said on May 25th, 2009 at 5:09 pm<br />
@Liz E.:Private Judge, not filed in the county of residence, records sealed.</p>
<p>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br />
This was in response to my post asking for the details of an alleged custody case or other court case involving Pitt and/or Jolie. </p>
<p>Different Guest&#8217;s response suggests a misunderstanding of the court procedure and the meaning of &#8220;private judge.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Private Judge does not mean Secret Judge.  We do not have &#8220;secret judges&#8221; in the U.S. civil or criminal judicial system.  Private judge just means privately paid by the parties as opposed to government paid.</p>
<p>If either Angelina Jolie or Brad Pitt had taken legal action or if either has any legal action pending then we would all know it.  That fact that a case was filed or is pending and that case number would be on the record and would not be sealed. You do not seal an entire case or the existence of the case in such matters. The parties can ask the presiding judge to seal certain documents or even hearings or certain testimony if they can convince the judge there are grounds to do so. Many times parties request the sealing of their financial documents for obvious reasons.   But again you would know that they sealed financial records.</p>
<p>If the parties want to avail themselves of a private judge then after the case is filed they request the presiding judge to appoint a private judge. That formal request is on the the record. We would know about that. If the presiding judge (i.e., presiding over the case) decides to grant the request for the appointment of a private judge then s/he issues a  formal order appointing a private judge. That order is part of the record and includes the name of the private judge. So if that happened we would all know when it happened and who the private judge is.</p>
<p>A private judge is required to follow the proper rules of civil procedure like regular judges in regular court and the events/hearings/rulings/etc of the case are still put on the record for the public to see.  When a private judge issues his/her rulings those rulings are also filed on the record and you can read them.   </p>
<p>Futhermore, any hearings or trials held by the private judge are required by California law to be open to the public. If anyone wanted to attend they would just have to ask.  So nothing becomes secret just because you use a private judge.  For the most part you hire a private judge to speed the process up, not to hide things. Now because hearings, etc. are not held at a courthouse then it may be harder to learn when hearings or other case related events are scheduled before a private judge and that alone can keep people away.   But there is no way that a case involving Jolie or Pitt would stay quiet or &#8220;secret.&#8221;. </p>
<p>As for sealing case related matters, parties still have to file requests with the court to seal anything and state the grounds for such requests.  So the public would also be able to view such requests &#8211; maybe not the grounds though.  Potential embarrassment is rarely considered enough to get a sealing order.  </p>
<p>The location of filing would make no difference. It would still be public and known by all.</p>
<p>In any event, if there had ever been or were currently any court cases involving Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie the public would know about it. So please no more of this &#8220;Brad filed papers,&#8221; &#8220;Angelina has lost custody&#8221; unless you can cite the case.  This is why asking for details and facts (such as dates, names, places, lawyers involved)  should be part of everyone&#8217;s discussion when confronted with gossip and given no corroboration or proof.</p>
<p>Sorry for the length but I thought some readers might be interested in facts and reality.</p>
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		<title>By: justhelping</title>
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		<dc:creator>justhelping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. Yeah I&#039;ve gotten 2 opinions. One says yeah, other nay. You are a sweetheart yourself. &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-29140&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Mama San:&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Yeah I&#8217;ve gotten 2 opinions. One says yeah, other nay. You are a sweetheart yourself. <a href="#comment-29140" rel="nofollow">@Mama San:</a></p>
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		<title>By: tyin</title>
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		<dc:creator>tyin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 09:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-29197&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@mslewis:&lt;/a&gt;
Not really...
If you look at the steps film, you can see AJ leaving the red carpet when they were on top of it, before Brad, while he was joking with QT. After that, the camera went on QT and followed him inside the palais and at that moment, while the IB cast were sitting, AJ was with Brad again, hand in hand.
I dont know if it is true she was furious but i can say that yes, she entered alone in the palais des festival and there are even some shots of her alone inside. Maybe you cant see the difference between shots inside /outside, i can cos i know the place.
And no, she wasnt happy at all, she did not look &quot;at ease&quot; on that carpet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-29197" rel="nofollow">@mslewis:</a><br />
Not really&#8230;<br />
If you look at the steps film, you can see AJ leaving the red carpet when they were on top of it, before Brad, while he was joking with QT. After that, the camera went on QT and followed him inside the palais and at that moment, while the IB cast were sitting, AJ was with Brad again, hand in hand.<br />
I dont know if it is true she was furious but i can say that yes, she entered alone in the palais des festival and there are even some shots of her alone inside. Maybe you cant see the difference between shots inside /outside, i can cos i know the place.<br />
And no, she wasnt happy at all, she did not look &#8220;at ease&#8221; on that carpet.</p>
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		<title>By: luka</title>
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		<dc:creator>luka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 08:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-29112&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Different Guest:&lt;/a&gt;
Hmm...not too sure about that. I had the same thing happen for 8 hours yesterday...and I am in New Zealand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-29112" rel="nofollow">@Different Guest:</a><br />
Hmm&#8230;not too sure about that. I had the same thing happen for 8 hours yesterday&#8230;and I am in New Zealand.</p>
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		<title>By: Alif</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 01:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-28944&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Canuck:&lt;/a&gt;
Well said! But I hold firm to my comment, anyway. Those &quot;kool-aid drinkers&quot; should be rebuked by all of us, not only a few! 
On the other hand, they&#039;re a waste of time and enerygy, and deserve to be ignored. 
For my part, as soon as I can discern it&#039;s a Loon, I&#039;ll skip over their post. To repeat myself, they&#039;re a waste of time and energy.
So there&#039;ll be no further reply on my part because I will not have read their post. Thank you very much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-28944" rel="nofollow">@Canuck:</a><br />
Well said! But I hold firm to my comment, anyway. Those &#8220;kool-aid drinkers&#8221; should be rebuked by all of us, not only a few!<br />
On the other hand, they&#8217;re a waste of time and enerygy, and deserve to be ignored.<br />
For my part, as soon as I can discern it&#8217;s a Loon, I&#8217;ll skip over their post. To repeat myself, they&#8217;re a waste of time and energy.<br />
So there&#8217;ll be no further reply on my part because I will not have read their post. Thank you very much!</p>
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		<title>By: Alif</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 01:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-28941&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@bobbalu:&lt;/a&gt;
Here we go again! More red herring!
You do not realize how you sound to some of us. No idea!
But to some of us, you people are in desperate need of an enema!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-28941" rel="nofollow">@bobbalu:</a><br />
Here we go again! More red herring!<br />
You do not realize how you sound to some of us. No idea!<br />
But to some of us, you people are in desperate need of an enema!</p>
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		<title>By: mslewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>mslewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 00:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-28895&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Patty Anne:&lt;/a&gt; When exactly did the cameras stop??  There are photos and film of Angelina and Brad walking up the steps and heading into the building.  From all the film and photos I&#039;ve seen, the cameras never stopped at least not long enough for Angie to &quot;run&quot; up the steps by herself!!!  And, she had to go back to work, thus only 36 hours for Cannes, at least nine of those hours were spent at the film premiere and the after party . . . with Brad!!!  Oh well!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-28895" rel="nofollow">@Patty Anne:</a> When exactly did the cameras stop??  There are photos and film of Angelina and Brad walking up the steps and heading into the building.  From all the film and photos I&#8217;ve seen, the cameras never stopped at least not long enough for Angie to &#8220;run&#8221; up the steps by herself!!!  And, she had to go back to work, thus only 36 hours for Cannes, at least nine of those hours were spent at the film premiere and the after party . . . with Brad!!!  Oh well!!</p>
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		<title>By: Keane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 22:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-29143&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Lizzieb:&lt;/a&gt;

Well thank F for that!  After a year or two of posting on Dlisted you don&#039;t expect people to take what you say the wrong way seeing as we say whatever we damn well please over there and people just suck it up.  I didn&#039;t think you would have thought I was attacking you but I thought I better check considering all the brouhaha going on round here lately.  I get misinterpreted so much on this board I feel like I need to hire a full-time interpreter!  Geez, make an innocent snarky comment and it turns into a full on brawl!  Bloomin Nora I swear the Evil Queen has put a jink on this site lately, it has gone bananas!  Nevermind, thanks for joining in my Spartacus re-enactment, hopefully next time more people will join us, we were a little thin on the ground there, ha ha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-29143" rel="nofollow">@Lizzieb:</a></p>
<p>Well thank F for that!  After a year or two of posting on Dlisted you don&#8217;t expect people to take what you say the wrong way seeing as we say whatever we damn well please over there and people just suck it up.  I didn&#8217;t think you would have thought I was attacking you but I thought I better check considering all the brouhaha going on round here lately.  I get misinterpreted so much on this board I feel like I need to hire a full-time interpreter!  Geez, make an innocent snarky comment and it turns into a full on brawl!  Bloomin Nora I swear the Evil Queen has put a jink on this site lately, it has gone bananas!  Nevermind, thanks for joining in my Spartacus re-enactment, hopefully next time more people will join us, we were a little thin on the ground there, ha ha!</p>
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		<title>By: Lizzieb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lizzieb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 22:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-28923&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Keane:&lt;/a&gt;
Bloody hell, turn your back for five minutes. What? Yes Keane  my dear,I was just joining in the &#039;I am Ianartucus&#039; joke and it never entered my head you were attacking me. Why would you? We share a mutual love of mocking the Brand Brange which is a natural and lovely thing.
As for &#039;Meg&#039; calling me &#039;jealous&#039; thanks so much. As someone else said it should really be spelt &#039;jellus&#039; but let&#039;s not quibble. You might want to add that I am morbidly obese, barren, a jen hen, and Angie owns my arse (ass) You don&#039;t have to of course, but it would be a lovely touch. Toodle pip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-28923" rel="nofollow">@Keane:</a><br />
Bloody hell, turn your back for five minutes. What? Yes Keane  my dear,I was just joining in the &#8216;I am Ianartucus&#8217; joke and it never entered my head you were attacking me. Why would you? We share a mutual love of mocking the Brand Brange which is a natural and lovely thing.<br />
As for &#8216;Meg&#8217; calling me &#8216;jealous&#8217; thanks so much. As someone else said it should really be spelt &#8216;jellus&#8217; but let&#8217;s not quibble. You might want to add that I am morbidly obese, barren, a jen hen, and Angie owns my arse (ass) You don&#8217;t have to of course, but it would be a lovely touch. Toodle pip!</p>
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		<title>By: Mama San</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mama San</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 22:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-29065&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@justhelping:&lt;/a&gt;
I found these for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx
http://www.righthealth.com/Health/Coccyx%20Removal-s?lid=goog-ads-sb-8536643334
The second site is more informative. Sweetheart as I tell my friends with anything medical ,  always get a second or even third opinion, no one can advocate for their body better than you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-29065" rel="nofollow">@justhelping:</a><br />
I found these for you.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx</a><br />
<a href="http://www.righthealth.com/Health/Coccyx%20Removal-s?lid=goog-ads-sb-8536643334" rel="nofollow">http://www.righthealth.com/Health/Coccyx%20Removal-s?lid=goog-ads-sb-8536643334</a><br />
The second site is more informative. Sweetheart as I tell my friends with anything medical ,  always get a second or even third opinion, no one can advocate for their body better than you.</p>
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