Sugar Ray Ramone Catone (The Bronx Bi-Blogger) – Mick Jagger Can’t Always Get What He Wants – Or Maybe He Can by singing “Angie, When Will Those Clouds All Disappear?”
Barbaric…shocked and engraged…Greek Style…charmed and somewhat seduced in 1989…lets spend the night together…Mick stormed into his hotel room…natural habitat…gone was his life’s triumphant possession…a young actress who was married…with better lips than this Rolling Stoned…his utter fiefdom…his lone exorcism…ascetic world…constant persecution…satisfaction…street fighting MAngie…bucolic peace…might be implicated…isolated and quarantined…just like in Moliere…absorbed and faraway…Mick pops Angie’s cherry…exhausting first sense…not harlequin…seismograph for conflicts and doubts…Angie, with no 
loving in our souls…and no money in our coats…you can’t say we’re satifsied…But Angie, I still love you baby…everywhere I look I see your eyes…Angie, Angie…you can’t say we never tried!
Te Amo, SRRC
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- Tags: Angelina Jolie, Mick Jagger
um, yeah.
Replyso now mick jagger took AJ’s virginity in ‘89… making her 14, and married, by the sounds of it. hmmm. just add him to the ever-growing list, eh?
ReplyWas Keith Richard there to smoke down a pack?
Jesus. Let’s get new material. Just because Jagger popped Angie’s cherry back in ‘89 doesn’t mean a hill of beans now. Now if Angie gets a part in the next Trek movie, call me interested!
ReplyYeah how was she married at 14 unless she is lying about her age? I know that she was in a video for the Stones. It’s no shocker that Mick would fuck a teen. She once said in an interview that she was so “sad” at that time in her life and that’s all she sees in herself when she watches that video.
ReplyThis must be when she was married to the South American guy,so this seems to contradict her live in bf at 14 when they had sex and cut each other…so he was not her first and she was still a virgin while married? Need to put our thinking caps on…
Reply@section9:
ReplySection, it matters because it contradicts other things she has said…there has to be a reason .
Moliere was imprisoned for debt. He was a master of comedy, but he constantly faced persecution. He also had to get money from aristocrats in order to have a life in the theatre.
ReplyWhat the H-E-Double hockey sticks, oh no, no, no , no, he didn’t.
Reply@justhelping:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/11/newsid_4265000/4265617.stm
ReplyMick Jagger was also married to Bianca Jagger who strangely AJ looks a lot like , same sultry ,big lipped look.
http://womencrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/bianca_jagger.jpg
ReplyOh I impress myself with my skills.
ReplyI just have a feeling there is a connection IMO.
Jagger on the cover of “Time” that year. He returned to the Stones that year. The band also went to Morocco. What have any of you heard in the UK?
ReplyMick’s not the only one that liked em’ young if this is to be true of him and AJ, Ted Nugent anyone?
Reply“When Nugent turned 30, in 1978, he began a relationship with a 17-year old Hawaiian girl, Pele Massa, and became her legal guardian to comply with laws pertaining to relationships with minors. This was covered in a 1998 episode of VH1’s Behind the Music featuring Nugent, and included an interview with Massa.”
http://www.wikipedia.com -Ted Nugent
Nite all, I hope I gave some of you food for thought, got to do my homework, and kill this cold.
ReplyPeace out.
@Mama San:
ReplySorry before I go , IMO the connection is that all of these people hung out , and partied together this is documented from the Polanski case, and other various reports . With the exception of TN.
The video:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1fut9_rolling-stones-feat-angelina-jolie_music
Someone that looks kinds like Jenny S, is in this…just her face for a second.
Reply@Mama San:
ReplyInteresting, Mama. Night!
AJ signed with a modeling company that year. the song “Blinded By Love” on the “Steel Wheels” album sounds like this. The queen of the Nile
ReplyShe laid on her throne
And she was drifting downstream
On a barge that was burnished with gold
Royal purple the sails
So sweetly perfumed
And poor Mark Antony’s
Senses were drowned
And his future was doomed
He was blinded by love
He was blinded by love
The Philistines paid
For Samson’s blind rage
The secrets that two lovers share
Should never have been betrayed
He was blinded by love
He was blinded by love
Now it’s no use crying or weeping
You better lock up your soul for safe keeping
Promise me
The poor Prince of Wales
He gave up his crown
All for the trivial pursuit of
A parvenu second-hand lady
So lovers beware
If you lose your heart
Careful now, don’t lose your mind
Don’t mortgage your soul to a stranger
Don’t be blinded by love
Don’t be blinded by love
Blinded by love, Blinded by love
Sorry to take up so much space.
Let’s hope Ian is wrong on this one, as one can only think of this as sexual assault on a minor. It might explain some of AJ’s behavior though . . .
* Victims of child sexual abuse are more likely to be sexually promiscuous. Children who have been victims of sexual abuse exhibit long-term and more frequent behavioral problems, particularly inappropriate sexual behaviors. The child may develop distorted views of sexual norms, become confused over sexual identity, become sexual aggressive, or tend to extremes, with either a heightened sensitivity and attraction to sexual behavior or highly negative feelings to all sexual activity – Ian has AJ’s sexual history well documented here, decide for yourself.
* Victims of child sexual abuse report more substance abuse problems. 70-80% of sexual abuse survivors report excessive drug and alcohol use. Young girls who are sexually abused are 3 times more likely to develop psychiatric disorders or alcohol and drug abuse in adulthood, than girls who are not sexually abused – AJ has admitted to being addicted at points in her life (and there is rumor she may still be, if she is Ted’s ‘Fake ala Ferocity’ as some claim).
* The child will isolate himself or herself from peers, may participate in criminal or delinquent behavior, may abuse drugs and alcohol, may practice self-mutilation, and may become suicidal – AJ has admitted to engaging in cutting, and some of the other behaviors listed.
* The child may express a strong desire to control events and people – like going to extremes in hopes of controlling one’s public image?
So, is AJ’s history a product of abuse, or is she instead just a highly experimental person in some aspects of her life, or something else? Decide for yourself. As for Jagger, should the above be true, he needs to be held accountable.
Links:
Replyhttp://www.darkness2light.org/KnowAbout/statistics_2.asp
http://www.sasian.org/papers/conseq.htm
Sounds like he raped her at 13, she was tramatized but afterwards they we to have a illegal relationship,someone found out she removed from his presence and he was implicated. She then got married at 14 years old…jmo
ReplyI should have said raped and sodomized. jmo
Reply@justhelping:
Sorry, I dont like The Rolling Stones much. Ironically the one song I do like is Angie, but cant see a connection there, was written before she was born!
And doing a little internet search, Jagger had dinner with Brange in Cannes last year, so if something happened, they are still friends!
ReplyNot really clear on what the above means but:
1. The lyrics are from “Angie” http://www.timeisonourside.com/SOAngie.html
Rumour was that it was about Angela Bowie but perhaps it was Marianne Faithful. Who knows.
2. Engraged – perhaps a combination of anger and enraged?
3. Greek style — anal?
4. ascetic world — MF went to a convent school but how this relates, dunno.
5. lone exorcism — is this a MF reference again? Or is it a Jack Nitzsche reference? Nitzsche worked on “Let’s Spend the Night Together and “You Can’t Get What You Want.” He also did part of the soundtrack for “The Exorcist”. Nitzsche also did the soundtrack for Mick’s disturbing movie. This seems like a stretch.
All my guesses, I’m sure makes very little sense. All I see is constant reference to RS songs and the implication that Angie and Mick had some form of sex and someone caught a disease. It also seems that someone “took” something valuable from Mick and interestingly enough, when I first read it, I thought Mick caught Angie sleeping with someone (poss a girl) he cared about/liked. (Mick stormed into his hotel room…gone was his life’s triumphant possession).
Reply@Kate:
Kate, if this is about rape and sodomy on a minor (AJ, in this case), then I have to call foul, right here and NOW! A victim’s rights to privacy should be respected. This is not the kind of thing that should be discussed or insinuated lightly. I don’t like this AT ALL! I’m going to have to sit this one out, I’m afraid. It just goes against my sense of decency. Some of these topics strike a bit close to home for my comfort and I can’t help but feel empathy towards AJ as a human being. If this is not true, it is soooooooooo cruel to put out there.
Sugar … all I have to say about this one is UGGGGHHHHH! This one hurts.
Reply@Togi:
ReplyTogi, just a guess and rape only because she was not yet 14…
Angie wasn’t attractive in her youth, only now through PS. I think Mick could have any woman he wanted back then….why would he go for a gawky looking 13/14yr old? It wouldn’t be worth the risk IMO
ReplyThat’s sad. It seems like AJ was exploited all her young life, sexually. Not a good way to develop a sense of self. No wonder she sexualizes every relationship and her entire persona. It’s what she has known for so long. That said, I don’t think any parent does his/her 13 year-old child a service by allowing her to hang around unsupervised with a rock star. I mean, come on!!!
Reply…I have a condo in Florida I need to sell.
ReplyWhich stone was it who hooked up with a 13y/o, her name was Mandy something I think. He married her when she turned 16 & it lasted a few yrs I think. I’ll have 2 look this 1 up. Sounds like they were all at it…
ReplyNow who “has a sensitivity chip missing?”
Reply@keane:
ReplyBill Wyman.
@Z:
ReplyThe Rolling Stones video that Z posted, where Angelina plays a very young looking stripper walking around NYC, is actually from 1997. ie Ange was 22 when it was shot. I STRONGLY doubt that she would have agreed to appear in a film clip w Mick jagger in 1997, 8 years after he allegedly sexually assaulted her in 1989. It simply does not make sense. Victims of crime do not want to hang out with their abusers. BTW some of you will remember that i am NOT pro Angie… Seems to me Ian is biding time…looking for the next story as the Brange one has gone off the boil.
BTW Brad’s pink necklace…do we know what it is? My guess is that is has a religious meaning… Buddhist perhaps? Any ideas? Hi from the Southern hemisphere.
@rotorua:
ReplyI have never seen a Buddhist necklace that looks like that. I also have never seen the color pink used in Buddhist jewelry or clothing. However, I am not an expert, so feel free to chime in if I’m wrong. It looks more like a kid’s crafts project.
@keane:
ReplyThere’s also another Rolling Stone that left his wife of a gazillion years for a very young Russian woman. This has been in the news very recently.
It seems to indicate they had a ongoing sexual relationship, but at 13 that would be considered 1st degree rape .jmo
Reply@BigApplette:
ReplyKeith Richards
Did this happen in America because consent laws are different in Europe? Age 14, I believe in some places, at least now it is.
ReplyFound it. It’s Ronnie Wood:
Ronnie Wood has walked out on his wife and four children to live with a teenage cocktail waitress he met in an escort bar.
The 61-year-old Rolling Stones guitarist has fled to his mansion in Ireland with the 18-year- old Russian blonde.
ReplyHis wife of 23 years, Jo, is said to have begged Ekaterina Ivanova not to take her husband away from her. The teenager is understood to have told friends that she replied: ‘I am not taking him – he is leaving.’
Eww, the Rolling Stones are such cadavers and pervs.
ReplyWhere they were in 89. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/holidaytypeshub/article-607735/Rolling-Marrakech.html. Gives a little background.
Replyregarding the year 89′ is further down the page, after the pics.
ReplyHmm, seems to me maybe Mick wanted get out of the country. He goes to Tangier and then decides to go on a pilgrimage,please.
ReplyWell her Wikipedia page says she started modeling at age 14 mainly in L.A. ,NY, and London. She wouldn’t of turned 14 until June 4th, Mick flew to Tangier sometime in June.
Reply@Kate:
ReplyHi Kate – did it happen in England – what was the age of consent – at least then? Anyone know. Thanks.
@ladybert62:
ReplyIt’s 16.
“pop cherry” not taking it literally, could be first time for: heroin or another drug, threesome, first time w/ a woman, first time cheating on husband..
Reply@BigApplette:
ReplyYou’re probably right. Something just makes me wonder why he wears it every single day… And part of me thinks it might be some kind of little spiritual “circle of protection”. Breaking the spell, so to speak….If only!
the timeline isn’t adding up….young actress who was married…..in the other posting it said she was possibly married in 1994. None of this makes any sense IMO
Reply“triumphant possession”: some rolling stones have daughters around angie’s age… Jade, Georgia, Elizabeth Jagger, Leah Wood.. probably more.
Replyok. now i’m thinking that Mick walked in on AJ and someone from his family/band in bed together or shooting up.
Replybefore people go off the rails about AJ being raped, exploited, molested, slutty, or mick is a pig, etc, etc etc — REMEMBER — we’re just trying to figure out clues to a riddle. we are probably completely off in the weeds – guesses are all “IMO”
ReplyMick Jagger is Angelina’s real dad – it ties in the whole incest angle.
Reply@ sinker – Jade Jagger is rumoured to have had a long-term affair with Kate Moss.
Replynever heard this before. http://www.bollyfirst.com/board/post1815376.html#p1815376 hmm.
Reply@moo:
ReplyThanks Moo!
@rotorua:
ReplyMaybe its a flea collar or something else to chase away his stinky body odor that everyone says he has!!
Are we definitely sure about Angelina’s age? I always assumed she was older than her stated 33 years just because I know from a good source that all HW celebs lie about their age by at least 5 years. So I assumed she was actually more like 37 or 38 and that’s why she’s had to have so much plastic surgery and botox to keep her looking younger like other celebs do. But people seemed to think she was definitely that age because there are records of when she was born because she was the daughter of Jon Voight. Any thoughts?
ReplyI just got one question, where the HELL was AJ’s parents in all this?
ReplyI am to believe that MB and JV just let their daughter run buck-ass wild?
I agree with Togi, I may not like AJ and her antics, but if this is true, I can absolutely empathize and see her in a diferent light.
@I’m on the bidet:
Good post, this fits AJ to a tee, and quite frankly it’s shameful.
However she is an adult now, and it’s high time she exorcise these demons and get her act straight for herself and her kids.
It seems to me she was groomed early on as a sex kitten, and to please these perverts.
I have a daughter who is 14, this hits close to home.
Very sad indeed.
AJ def looks a good 10 years older than her stated aged
ReplyAJ is modeling her mother. Her mother carefully created an image. See the cycle. Mom’s name is really Marcia Lynn, not Marcheline. She is of French-descent, but born in IL, which AJ has admitted. Read somewhere that she said she was Native American, but JV said that was made up when they got married. Not sure about that though. She has another life that no one knows about. Sorry to discuss this woman, may she rest in peace however, there is so much abuse in HW that needs to stop. any joe blow in your town that has committed any of these disgusting allegations would be posted on the internet etc. young actors and actresses should not be subjected to prostitution in order to get famous. most of all, where the hell was her mother when those vile pics of her when she was 14. Just look at the Polanski story. NEEDS TO END!!!!!!
Reply@d:
ReplySomeone on here said the Rolling Stone video she did was actually from 1997 and not 1989 she was married to JLM in 1997 but I don’t undrstand where 1989 fits in.
@Kate:
ReplyPlease explain how it went from Roman to Mick in the posts.
oh and anything I say is just my opinion
Replyrecalling: AJ’s mom helped her get into stage acting @age of 15 and AJ’s first stage role at 16 was a German dominatrix. (thanks mom!)
Reply@bettieboop:
ReplyHi ya, I brought up the Polanski angle for two reasons.
One, all these people were known to run in the same circles and party { Studio 54 days}. Mick & Bianca Jagger, Angelica Huston, Jack Nicholson, Roman Polanski, Liza Minelli, Halston, Grace Jones, Lauren Hutton.
Second , IMO Jagger and Polanski were friends , I assume they still are. And if we are to believe the above post from SR about Mick, it would seem to me, that these ol’ pazzones had a penchant for little girls. Unfortunately Hollyweird and Rock-n- Roll breeds perverts. JMO. Anyone remember Jerry Lee Lewis and his 13 year old cousin, was a HUGE scandel in the day.
Just something I wanted to throw out, IMO that I think it’s all relative, no pun intended
@moo:
Replyso maybe he met her in 1989 when she was 14 and was charmed by her enough to want to seduce her and be her first……then it resumed when she made the video in 1997 when she was a young married actress and he came back to find her gone………(in 60 seconds …sorry couldn’t resist)
OT but Star says JA is adopting http://www.starmagazine.com/jennifer_aniston_adopting_baby_boy/news/15535
and getting advice from Brad. Or is she getting one of his 2 children currently on the way????????? Apologies not sure why I can’t paste that as a link…I need more caffeine this morning, I guess. LOL
You know, AJ and MJ seem to be pretty equal on the creepy scale these days…
Reply@Jinxy:
ReplyUm, pedophiles aren’t picky. I guess you’ve never watched Dateline.
Don’t worry about getting sued. As I have previously mentioned, a suit for defamation would require Jolie’s testimony under oath. With all her secrets and lies, her lawyer would never allow her to do that. Trust me! Her lawyer is all bark and no bite since people don’t know the law and the litigation process. It would only hurt Jolie if she ever sued anyone. Notice how there has been many threats and no suits? Ever wonder why? Now you don’t have to any more.
Reply@justhelping:
ReplyNow that’s interesting.
@karenab:
ReplyRon Wood, not Keith
@sinker:
ReplyWhere did you read this? Very interesting and telling if true.
This is off the chain and outta of the frame if true, as a mama my role is to protect , shield , and educate my babes , not throw them in head first , and show them how to do it best. What kind of f*cked up thing is that? Oi , Freud would have a field day with this one.
From what the prior posts implied (as I recall), evil Ms. Jolie was no newcomer to sexual adventures at the age of 14 – I doubt that Mr. Jagger was her first – I think it started younger than that and by someone closer home. (As usual, everything I say, think or write, in the past, present or future about anybody, anything or any idea expressed or implied by me or anybody else is just my opinion forever and ever amen.)
ReplyBill Day was MB’s husband at the time right? They owned a production company “woods road” i think. they produced a doc or two together like “amazonia.” they must have traveled for these docs. JMO
Reply@Mama San:
ReplyThanks.
While its far from ideal, having sex at the age of 14 or younger is not that uncommon, especially in the UK where the age of consent is 16 but a lot of people do it before that anyway. One of the girls in my year at primary school was pregnant by the age of 14. A couple more by the age of 16. And there were only about 11 girls in that year. I would not be shocked that someone as sexually promiscuous as Jolie started very young.
Reply@Keane:
ReplyI Agree with you Keane. I may be from an older generation (am younger than the Queen but older then the number in my moniker) and I may have been more hesitant to experiment than they are nowadays but even back then in the stone age of my heyday, things were forced on young girls (and boys) at tender ages – has always been so in the unsavory history of the world. Again, I believe from the self-destructive actions displayed by the evil Ms. Jolie that she was “done in” at a very early age (and that she was exposed to such activity and viewpoints in her early developmental years) that she has acted accordingly since then (sorry but this still doesnt excuse anything she has done since then). Again, all in my opinion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelina_Jolie
I’ll have to read more careful but I didn’t see a video for the Stones.
Reply@Keane:
ReplyI agree Keanne, though in some cultures girls are married off an having babies at 13.
However if these practices are done under duress, abuse, violence {rape, drugged}, kidnapped and sold as sex slaves, turned out by the parents { pimps} then IMO it’s wrong.
Without wanting to seem to believe that all HW celebrities are gay, it is well documented however that Mick Jagger’s wife Bianca is bi. Perhaps he walked in on his mirror immage wifie and Jolie having a twosome? Not sure about the time line tho….
Reply@Keane:
Replyagreed umm hello Lindsay Lohan…..HW teen stars aren’t exactly known to be chaste eh
@ Mama San – I know but it seems that it is more often than not more about young girls wanting to be cool rather than necessarily being forced into it. Losing your virginity is the same as smoking fags, having a drink or doing drugs. Its the lure of the forbidden and of the adult. I think most young people think that doing all those things make you cool, and we all know how important it is to Ange to be cool!
ReplyI think someone posted it earlier. not to mention the “kissy” club she bragged about. in addition, she was in an italian video at the tender age of 16.@bettieboop:
ReplyUgh…what kind of mother allows her 14 year old to star in a video about children in corsets dancing provactively for men?
Seeing this video, knowing that AJ was allowed to have sex at such a young age and allowed all the liberities of an adult, it’s apparent now more than ever that insanity is hereditary in that family!!!!!!!
Reply@Mama San:
ReplyHow’s the cold, Mamma San?
@Mama San:
ReplyMama I posted a link.
Does anyone else think the Molière reference above is to the play THE MISANTHROPE?
ReplyI think the Stones video is from 1997. she was in several different music videos like one when she was 16 for some Italian guy.
Reply@justhelping:
ReplyAH!! You’re right. I just googled it. Well, thank God. First of all, I thought she was THE oldest looking 14 year old I’d ever seen (besides Ali Lohan, of course) and second, I thought, “I don’t remember that song from high school” so thank you, thank you! I was feeling so slimey and grimey thinking she was only 14 dancing in suggestive clothing! WHEW!
@CC:
ReplyBoth parents have a lot to answer for – I dont believe her mother was the saint that the evil Ms. Jolie wants us to believe. I dont know very much about the mom, but what I have read is not very kind to her and do think she failed to protect her children (Both AJ and JH) from others in the house and then from each other. I guess the evil Ms. Jolie’s dad was absent and that others were there. Was the mother bisexual? As usual, this is all speculation and in my opinion.
In 1997, Jolie starred with David Duchovny in the thriller Playing God, set in the Los Angeles underworld.
We’ve heard his story.
Replyobvious this is a f’ed up family. MB was crazy as well. what’s up with her asking money from JV to pay money when her will was read? She had many affairs, but those were left out? wonder why? why should JV support her if she had a bunch of men lined up. Oh, and the Polanski case, remember he is not allowed in the US because he is accused of rape. Which happened at Jack N. with Angelic H there. The girls mother paid to get pics for French Vogue and Polanski had other ideas.get her drunk and drugged. Polanski claims the mother traded her for promise of fame. you decide.JMO
Reply@bettieboop:
ReplyI haven’t
You know how some have said Toni was AJ plant? Well this story is kinda bringing some sympathy towards AJ. JMO Not saying she may or may not deserve it, just an observation.
Replysorry for my typing errors. typing sideways on the couch
Reply@Canuck:
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b26532_david_duchovny_rehabbing_sex_addiction.html
Also his wife was rumored to be dating BBT while they were working things out.
ReplyBarbaric…shocked and engraged…Greek Style…charmed and somewhat seduced in 1989…lets spend the night together…Mick stormed into his hotel room…natural habitat…gone was his life’s triumphant possession…a young actress who was married…with better lips than this Rolling Stoned…his utter fiefdom…his lone exorcism…ascetic world…constant persecution…satisfaction…street fighting MAngie…bucolic peace…might be implicated…isolated and quarantined…just like in Moliere…absorbed and faraway…Mick pops Angie’s cherry…exhausting first sense…not harlequin…seismograph for conflicts and doubts
Ok, I haven’t got time to think about this too much yet but I don’t think it implies he had sex with her underage. It says “charmed and somewhat seduced in 1989″, which to me implies he was charmed by her and maybe a bit of hanky panky went on in the early stages. His “life’s triumphant possession”, that sounds like his wife to me, doesn’t it you? Not his daughter. Or the great love of his life? Marianne Faithfull admits to being bisexual, not sure about Bianca Jagger. I’m not sure if this implies he found one of them cheating to he retailiated by spending the night with Ange or whether Ange was with them and he was furious….not sure. I think he’s popping her cherry in a different way, different type of sex or drugs? And it must have been at the time she was married to JLM I would have thought.
Reply@justhelping:
ReplySounds like a great name for a book!: “Typing sidewards on the couch” :_)
@ladybert62:
ReplyI’d buy it!!!
In Molière’s THE MISANTHROPE, the protagonist is in a self-imposed quarantine.
ReplyFrom Wikipedia on THE MISANTHROPE: “Eventually, Alceste’s inability to cope with society and its inescapable affectations causes him to forsake Célimène, who ultimately agrees to marry him, and retreat to a deserted land where he will no longer have to deal with other people.” Alceste is the older man and Célemène is the younger woman.
Replylove it.lol@ladybert62:
Replyhttp://www.nndb.com/people/651/000025576/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/mar/15/john-phillips-mamas-and-papas
Raised in a rock-and-roll household, Mackenzie Phillips was always exposed to materials and behavior most families would find shocking. Her father was John Phillips of The Mamas and the Papas, and her stepmother was Michelle Phillips, also in the band. The biggest names in pop culture were frequent houseguests, and Phillips has said she started using marijuana and LSD when she was 12. Her father showed her how to shoot up when she was 18, and not long after she was aggressively seduced by Mick Jagger, visiting in the Phillips home, who told her, “I’ve been waiting to do this since you were ten years old.”
ReplyMK also had a home in Greece right? During that time many stars partied there. Like Hydra.
Replysorry meant jagger not mk
ReplyI had no idea that SRCC was so into theatre as to allude to Molière. This is exciting!
Reply@justhelping:
ReplyWho is MK & Hydra?
meant Mick J. hyra is a greek island.
Replyanyone know anything about allen Mezo, one of MB’s boyfriends when her and JV were separated. He went to Shawnee high school. The word shawnee stuck in my head. But BP was born in Shawnee also. him. Josie with you on Moliere. @bettieboop:
wild speculation here……..”Barbaric…shocked and engraged…Greek Style…charmed and somewhat seduced in 1989…lets spend the night together…Mick stormed into his hotel room…natural habitat…gone was his life’s triumphant possession”
What if HIS hotel Room wasn’t MICKS but James Haven ??? hmmmm hmm ??? Greek style ? James left with angie….i know …out there LOL
Replyhttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=greek+style
ReplyThe uban dictionary definition of greek style. Wonder which version SRRC means.
@d, I would agree except for the “in Molière” reference.
ReplyIn 1989 Mick was with Jerry Hall. They got together in 1978.
Reply@Josie:
ReplyAs was Moliere – wasnt he the one who secluded himself to his bedroom and wrote his books from his bed (or am I confusing him with someone else?) – will have to run to the books again….
@ladybert62. Molière himself was never bedridden and writing for an extended period. He was performing until the night he died. But SRCC’s clue says “in Molère,” so since THE MISANTHROPE is Molière’s most famous play, I thought SRCC must be referring to it. Take a look at the Wiki synopsis of the play. Perhaps it could also be a reference to THE SCHOOL FOR WIVES by Molière?
Replyok lets just say that the HIS in the puzzle (?) refers to someone OTHER than Mick …….what comes out of that ?
Mick stormed into his hotel room… (HIS being someone other than mick ?)
natural habitat… (someone who travelled alot hotel room like home)
gone was his life’s triumphant possession…
a young actress who was married…with better lips than this Rolling Stoned… (obviously angelina ?)
his utter fiefdom… (could mean Something over which one dominant person or group exercises control)
his lone exorcism…ascetic world…constant persecution…satisfaction… (being a hermit so they can be themselves)
street fighting MAngie… (mistype ?)
bucolic peace… could mean suggesting an idyllic rural life
might be implicated…
isolated and quarantined…just like in Moliere…
absorbed and faraway
…Mick pops Angie’s cherry…(could this mean like bursts her bubble ???)
exhausting first sense…not harlequin…seismograph for conflicts and doubts ??
thoughts ?
Reply@Josie:
ReplyYou are correct – I was wrong – Moliere was a satirist who made fun of the french court and aristocract. In the Misanthrope, he main character is very critical of society – but – the main character is in love with Celimene who is a flirt and pays much attention to social appearances; the main character Alcests believes that he should always speak the truth even in polite society. If I recall correctly, believe it or not, Celimene and he marry and retreat to a desert island where they dont have to deal with others!
@ladybert62:
Replyi don’t get teh sense its that literal…..i think the key is in the isolated and quarantined …like moliere (as a reference >)??
OK – so the evil Ms. Jolie is the same as as the evil Celimene in the story and the good and honest Alceste in the story is …..? Got me
Reply@ladybert62, I love it that you know so much about Molière!
Reply@d:
ReplySorry – its a a fault of mine- am too literal! You are correct – analogy, analogy, analogy!!
I guess my main question with this SRCC entry is what does it have to do with the price of eggs?
Reply@Josie:
ReplyYou are funny – I know a lot about a little and as my mother used to say – big words easily hide a little brain! Thats me in a nutshell….
@Josie:
ReplyAs usual, SR’s and his fun puzzles go right over my head!! Help, Kate and Keane!!
Fiefdom = the estate or domain of a feudal lord. or
ReplyDerogatory usage
In contemporary usage, fiefdomism can refer to behavior of bureaucrats or small time politicians when information or programs are isolated and jealously guarded from other bureaucrats or small time politicians in order to preserve their power at the expense of making government worse.
hmmm interesting quote from angelina jolie “When I was 14, I visited London for the first time and that’s when I discovered my problem. English men appear to be so reserved, but underneath they’re expressive, perverse and wild.”
ReplyOk this is a description of Harlequin from the Commedia Dell’Arte:
The primary aspect of Arlecchino was his physical agility.[3][4] While generally depicted as stupid and gluttonous, he was very nimble and agile, and performed the sort of acrobatics the audience expected to see. The character would never perform a simple action when the addition of a cartwheel or backflip would spice up the movement.
So is he saying that Mick wasn’t nimble or agile because of this illnesshe contracted? Another option could be that he is “not Harlequin” meaning he is one of the other characters from the Commedia. I’ll have to look them up. I think it and the Moliere reference relates to him being sick and incapacitated and isolated though at this stage.
Reply@ d – looks like you’ve got those at your fingertips all ready to go!
Reply@Keane:
Reply??
Seismograph is another Greek term from Seism – “the shakes” and Grapho – “I draw”.
ReplyDefinition of seismograph:
Seismometers are instruments that measure and record motions of the ground, including those of seismic waves generated by earthquakes, nuclear explosions, and other seismic sources. Records of seismic waves allow seismologists to map the interior of the Earth, and locate and measure the size of these different sources.
The word derives from the Greek σεισμός, seismós, a shaking or quake, from the verb σείω, seíō, to shake; and μέτρον, métron, measure. Seismograph is another Greek term from seismós and γράφω, gráphō, to draw. It is often used to mean seismometer, though it is more applicable to the older instruments in which the measuring and recording of ground motion were combined than to modern systems, in which these functions are separated. Both types provide a continuous record of ground motion.
Reply@ d
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ReplyI already considered the “not Harlequin” and “commedia” possible link, but since Molière and commedia are from two different periods/styles and two different countries, it didn’t seem to add up.
ReplyI was thinking Jerry Hall was his life’s triumphant posession. There is a lot written about them in John Phillips biography Papa John. MJ really thought Hall was the prize. IDK just a thought. Truthfully though, Im not really interested in this post.
Replycoral snake, name for poisonous New World snakes of the same family as the Old World cobras. About 30 species inhabit Mexico, Central America, and N South America; two are found in the United States. The Eastern coral snake (Micrurus fulvius), or harlequin snake, is found in the SE United States and N Mexico.
She is holding a snake.
Reply“Not Harlequin” could also mean Mick is one of the other characters in the Commedia Dell’Arte, the only one that seems to be appropriate is Pantalone:
Pantalone – a member of the vecchi. He is the archetypal “old miser.” He is quite wealthy but very greedy. He only cares about money and he will do anything to get it.
Mick is well-known for being a scrooge when it comes to money…. is this relevant?
ReplyWhy would SRCC conflate theater metaphors/styles/periods/characters? It doesn’t make sense to me.
ReplyAnother thought, MJ did his share of drugs, but he really wasn’t a huge druggie and usually kept his shit together, unlike a lot of his friends and bandmates. He had a head for business and making money and drugs didn’t nurture that side of his personality. So I doubt if he lured AJ with drugs, Im sure his allure to her was power.
Reply@ Josie – it doesn’t matter though, SR uses references from anywhere and everywhere to make his point.
@ Tamara – I tend to agree, I’m not really sure what the point is exactly, other than some sort of implication that she gave him a disease…. not sure where its going.
ReplyReferences only make sense when they are part of a system. That is the purpose of metaphor.
ReplyOh God, just a thought, this isn’t “Sugar pop” is it by any chance? Not who we thought it was. Mick sure has a lot of money. A darn sight more than Clinton I would have thought.
ReplyDo you mean “Pop Sugar”? That is another gossip site.
Reply@ Josie – each word or phrase in itself is a separate metaphor. The meanings of the metaphors relate to each other rather than the metaphors itself. Its not one big metaphor, its lots of different allusions both metaphorical and literal, using a wide variety of different discourses: science, geography, literature, art, whatever.
ReplyBut we have been parsing each meme separately.
ReplyI’m not sure. Are you saying, Keane, that it doesn’t add up to meaning anything?
ReplyOk, definition of “Barbaric”:
“of, relating to, or characteristic of barbarians b: possessing or characteristic of a cultural level more complex than primitive savagery but less sophisticated than advanced civilization
2 a: marked by a lack of restraint : wild b: having a bizarre, primitive, or unsophisticated quality”
Are we just talking about banging here or is there a wider reference?
Reply@Keane:
ReplyI’ve thinking a little in that line. After looking up some of the words, references….
@ Josie
No
ReplyExactly
And no
@ bettieboop – which one sorry, what were you thinking?
ReplyPastoral, as an adjective, refers to the lifestyle of shepherds and pastoralists, moving livestock around larger areas of land according to seasons and availability of water and feed. “Pastoral” also describes literature, art and music which depicts the life of shepherds, often in a highly idealised manner. It may also be used as a noun (a pastoral) to describe a single work of pastoral poetry, music or drama. An alternative name for the literary “pastoral” (both as an adjective and a noun) is bucolic, from the Greek βουκóλος, meaning a “cowherd”. This reflects the Greek origin of the pastoral tradition.
Mick’s music? Also one of the articles before had the term coward, & I noticed the term cowherd in this. Probably nothing but hey with these articles it’s hard to tell much.
Reply@Keane:
ReplyAbout Sugar Daddy/Sugar Pop.
Ah – a Barbarian was the word members of the society of Ancient Greece used to refer to all other cultures and nations, meaning they weren’t as civillised as the Greeks. It was a pejorative term used to mean savages or whatever. So there are a lot of references to Greek things here. “Greek style” we’re basically coming to pederasty again. So we’re talking about the relationship between an older man and a young boy (not necessarily underage, just younger):
In classical antiquity, writers such as Herodotus,[1] Plato,[2] Xenophon,[3] Athenaeus[4] and many others explored aspects of same-sex love in ancient Greece. The most widespread and socially significant form of close same-sex sexual relations in ancient Greece was between adult men and adolescent boys, known as pederasty.
Or it could mean sapphic love. But it must mean homosexuality one way or another, the Greeks were cool with it.
Reply@ bettieboop – yeah I think it could be him, sounds more likely than old Billy boy hey?
Reply@sinker:
ReplyI know!!! Realised pretty soon after but someone else had already put Ronnie Wood up. I thought I got away with it
Even though this was written before she was born, SR is using it as a clue, there is a short story written around this too-
ANGIE by the Rolling Stones from their album STRIPPED
OH, ANGIE, ANGIE, WHEN WILL THOSE DARK CLOUDS DISAPPEAR?
ANGIE, ANGIE, WHERE WILL IT LEAD US FROM HERE
WITH NO LOVING IN OUR SOULS AND NO MONEY IN OUR COATS
YOU CAN’T SAY WE’RE SATISFIED
BUT ANGIE, ANGIE, YOU CAN’T SAY WE NEVER TRIED
ANGIE, YOU’RE BEAUTIFUL, BUT AIN’T IT TIME WE SAID GOODBYE?
ANGIE, I STILL LOVE YOU, REMEMBER ALL THOSE NIGHTS WE CRIED?
ALL THE DREAMS WE HELD SO CLOSE SEEMED TO ALL GO UP IN SMOKE
LET ME WHISPER IN YOUR EAR
ANGIE, ANGIE, WHERE WILL IT LEAD US FROM HERE
OH, ANGIE, DON’T YOU WEEP, ALL YOUR KISSES STILL TASTE SWEET
I HATE THAT SADNESS IN YOUR EYES BUT ANGIE, I STILL LOVE YOU
BABY, EVE’RYWHERE I LOOK I SEE YOUR EYES THERE AIN’T A WOMAN
THAT COMES CLOSE TO YOU, COME ON BABY, DRY YOUR EYES
BUT ANGIE, ANGIE, AIN’T IT GOOD TO BE ALIVE?
ANGIE, ANGIE, THEY CAN’T SAY WE NEVER TRIED
THE END
The story is about a young girl that sort of seduces- long read but it reflects what the song is about-
Replyhttp://www.squidge.org/dsa/archive/drama/whenwill.html
“Engraged” – I think is a conflation of enraged and engaged maybe? See this:
Engraged
Descriptive of the situation when one person is trying to talk to you, but you’re busy shouting at someone else.
ReplyHey, stop shouting at him! Raargh…. What? Oh, sorry. I’ll talk to you later. I’m engraged.
@Patty anne:
ReplyMaybe we are speculating on the wrong Jagger?1
@Keane:
A link was up above but I just copied one definition from the urban dictionary. Thoughts?
greek style 63 up, 156 down
Replya position in a bisexual threesome where a man inserts his penis into the rear of another man who, in turn, is engaging in anal sex with a woman at the same time.
Asceticism
Asceticism (from the Greek: ἄσκησις, áskēsis, “exercise”) describes a life-style characterized by abstinence from various sorts of worldly pleasures (especially sexual activity and consumption of food and drink) often with the aim of pursuing religious and spiritual goals.
Reply@karenab:
“cant see a connection there, was written before she was born”
Oh, this is interesting…..
Reply@ bettieboop – hm could be, and uh, gross! Who are we thinking the other man would be? Lets not go there! I’m still not sure what is meant by “life’s triumphant possession” and his “utter fiefdom”, where’s that going?
ReplyThe song may be hinting to the fact she was married to whoever the South American was, since that song was based on Mick having an affair with David Bowies wife and it is what caused David and Angela to get a divorce, we can assume that Angie broke up a marriage (yes we know, but maybe Brads was not the first), and there is a conflict with the SA was her first real love at 14, her live in BF at 14 who she said was her first and they cut each other, and Mick Jagger.
Reply@karenab:
ReplyAnd is daughter had had an affair with Kate Moss???????????
@Kate:
What does this mean
There was a conflict with the SA was her first etc….
Reply“lone exorcism”
Exorcism (from Late Latin exorcismus, from Greek exorkizein – to abjure) is the practice of evicting demons or other evil spiritual entities from a person or place which they are believed to have possessed. The practice is quite ancient and part of the belief system of many countries.
The person performing the exorcism, known as an exorcist, is often a member of the clergy, or an individual thought to be graced with special powers or skills. The exorcist may use prayers, and religious material, such as set formulas, gestures, symbols, icons, amulets, etc.. The exorcist often invokes God, Jesus and/or several different angels and archangels to intervene with the exorcism. In general, possessed persons are not regarded as evil in themselves, nor wholly responsible for their actions. Therefore, practitioners regard exorcism as more of a cure than a punishment.
Then there is “persecution”:
Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual or group by another group. The most common forms are religious persecution, ethnic persecution, and political persecution. Most commonly persecuted group in history were Christians.
Hm so its someone trying to give up their vices probably sex and drugs, to exorcise their demons and cure themselves of some form of depravity? But they are being persecuted for that by someone…..?
ReplyYOU CAN’T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT
(M. Jagger/K. Richards)
Choir:
I saw her today at a reception
A glass of wine in her hand
I knew she would meet her connection
At her feet was her footloose man
No, you can’t always get what you want
You can’t always get what you want
You can’t always get what you want
And if you try sometime you find
You get what you need
I saw her today at the reception
A glass of wine in her hand
I knew she was gonna meet her connection
At her feet was, footloose man
You can’t always get what you want
You can’t always get what you want
You can’t always get what you want
But if you try sometimes, well you might find
You get what you need
Oh yea-ay (hey-hey-hey, oooh)
And I went down to the demonstration
To get my fair share of abuse
Singin’, ‘We’re gonna vent our frustration
If we don’t, we’re gonna blow a 50-amp fuse’
Sing it to me, now
(You can’t always get what you want)
(You can’t always get what you want)
(You can’t always get what you want)
But if you try sometimes, well you just might find
You get what you need
Ooh baby, yeah, ooh
I went down to the Chelsea drugstore
To get your prescription filled
I was standin’ in line with Mr. Jimmy
A-man, did he look pretty ill
We decided that we would have a soda
My favorite flavor, cherry red
I sung my song to Mr. Jimmy
Yeah, and he said one word to me, and that was ‘dead’
I said to him
(You can’t always get what you want) well no!
(You can’t always get what you want) tell ya baby
(You can’t always get what you want) no
But if you try sometimes, you just might find, mmm!
Mmm! you get what you need
Ooh yes! Woo!
(Instrumental & choir) Ooow-ooh!
You get what you need
Yeah!
Ooow, babe!
Ooh, yeah
I saw her today at the reception
In her glass was a bleeding man
She was practiced at the art of deception
Well, I could tell by her blood-stained hands
Say it!
(You can’t always get what you want) yeah!
(You can’t always get a-what you want) ooo-yeah, baby!
(You can’t always get a-what you want)
But if you try sometime, you just might find
You just might find
You get what you need
Ooh, yeah!
Ooh, baby!
Woo!
Ah, you can’t always get a-what you want
No, no baby
You can’t always get a-what you want
Tellin’ you right now
You can’t always get what you want, mmm!
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You just might find, that ya
Get what you need
Oooh, yeah!
I’m tellin’ the truth, babe
Ooow-ooh!
ReplyOoow-ooh!
Ooow-ooh!……..
(Instrumental & choir to end fade)
@Keane:I thought the Sugar Pop was someone in Washington? Which is why we were thinking Clinton, anyone???
Reply@ Kate – so are we coming to any conclusions here? I’m still at a bit of a loss…. BTW yesterday was hilarious, couldn’t believe what went on in my absence! I will now endeavour to practise the art of ignoring them and rising above it!
Reply@Kate:The Chelsea drugstore to get your prescription filled is a reference to the drugstore where John Phillips was getting his drugs. JP had himMJ go get it for him one time when he and Jerry Hall were visiting for the weekend, and Phillips was too fucked up to drive. Jagger was so turned off by the whole thing that he told John he didnt want to see him again until he was cleaned up.
Reply@bettieboop:
The song “When Will All Those Clouds Disappear?” if she was involved with him as the same time as Mick Jagger, he was married, was she? If she is 14 years old in this, that is when she was living with her mother and James and the 14 year old who she said took her virginity, and they cut themselves. Then we have the 1st husband that Toni “thinks” she may have been married to and “thinks” they may not have gotten a divorce.Sure did have a lot going on for a 14 year old girl, didn’t she?
Of course, we don’t know what is true, what sources are reliable, so none of this much matters I guess, she could have made it up. Angelina has lied so much, I don’t believe any experience she may have relayed to anyone about her life. It is really all a moot point. Don’t really care what she did when she was 14 years old. She is just fucked up jmo
Reply@Keane:I only skimmed the comments because I could see it was all attack mode, not much investigating going on, I didn’t like it so I kept out of it!! I thought they were being really mean to you and you don’t deserve it!! Both you and Kate! It was just plain wrong, and makes it really hard to even want to be here.
Reply@ Tamara – I’m not sure it said that for definite did it, that there was a Washington connection with him? All I remember was it saying that she had the old man’s money to rely on, so it would be someone very wealthy and significantly wealthier than her, so we’re talking someone who has hundreds of millions in the bank which I wouldn’t have thought Clinton would. But Mick, he’s worth a mint!
Reply@Kate:
Replybut yesterday it said it was in 1994 she met/possibly married the South AMerican ?
@Keane:
Yeah best to just say nothing at this point I think. I read on some other boards last night and we are all being made fun of everywhere, no one is taking any of this serious, which is a little disheartening.
I have not really put any energy into this one.
Reply@ Tamara – aw thanks sweetheart, but don’t worry only one of them was a genuine commenter (Nicole), the rest were just the usual suspects. It was good in a way cause it showed karenab why I occasionally fly off the handle at people because its what I’ve got every day for the past couple of months. And its exactly what they’re aiming for, getting me worked up so that they can accuse me of being a bully or whatever. Ha ha! Its cool though, its just them being frustrated cause everything they’ve tried to do to shut me and Kate up has been to no avail. The latest tactic is isolate Keane by calling her a bully and making genuine commenters turn on her so that ideally she leaves or at least won’t challenge the fake posts any more, and then when I’m out of the way, go for Kate. It won’t work though. Sticks and stones and all that. I just thought it was hilarious when I saw it that a discussion about me could go on for so long. There’s a big wide world out there, what’s the big interest in me! Let’s focus on the issue at hand and I will do my best to ignore them from now on, I promise.
Reply@ Kate – it doesn’t really matter what other people on the internet think, people have been deriding Ian, this site and the people posting here since word go. The main point is whether the stories get picked up by the wider media and cut through the BS. When Ian’s book comes out they’ll get the full picture.
ReplyDefinitely. Vitriol is not useful!
Reply@karenab:
ReplyThere’s another one? Please clarify – I am lost as usual. Thanks.
@d:</a
Yes, I am getting confused I guess, I meant the contradiction is this and the 14 year old boyfriend she lived with at moms. “Miller married actress Angelina Jolie on 28 March 1996. They separated three years later and were divorced on 3 February 1999.” She started her affair with JS while married to JLM.
Ian said she was having a relationship with James when she hooked up with BBT. If she married JLM in March of 96 she suer was moving along pretty quick wasn’t she. She was 20 years old or so when she married him. So lots a men from 14 on, !4 year old BF, SA husband, JLM, Mick Jagger and who knows haw many others. She was probably doing drugs too. jmo Not sure any of this matters.
Reply@Keane:
Replyutter = say or reveal (verb) outright or absolute (adjective)
Fiefdom = estate or domain of a feudal lord
@Keane:
Except the only story that has gotten picked up is “Jen is a Lesbian” and that was why Brad left her. No Brad has boyfriends and none of Jolie’s kinky shit. That is controlled by Brange, and they used it to the fullest against her and are probably having a good laugh. That story was not any more credible than the others, yet they were ignored???
Reply@Kate:
hmmmm JLM site says they separated 3 years after marrying………..hers says Jolie and Miller separated the following year and subsequently divorced on February 3, 1999
And his website jonnyleemiller.co.uk says The marriage lasted a year –
interesting !!
Reply@Tamara:
ReplyTotally agree, that is how I felt as well. Everyone is restless I think because we are sort of at a stand still. When Ian gets the ok to put Jens side out things should get better, I hope.
@d:
ReplyI think that is because she dumped him for Jinny but they stayed legally married. She was off and on with him all the time.
@Keane:
No, it said he was an older guy in Washington. I think that is Clinton myself. Wasn’t she back there in the last day or two.
Anyone know if Brad is living in a hotel with his parents, or was he just entertaining them in the city?
ReplyOK – here comes something from way out here in la la land – Mick Jagger IS old enough to be her father and she DOES have the Jagger mouth – how’s that for extreme speculation!! As usual, this one is really just my off the wall falling down laughing opinion….
Reply@ Kate – yeah I think it is partly that (their PR), but mainly just that Brange are any publications biggest seller. They can’t bite the hand that feeds them (especially not in this economy!). But when they’ve split, she in particular will be very exposed. That’s when the sharks will circle and I predict this type of stuff will start getting picked up on. Right now their joint brand is protecting them, when they split they’ll be much more vulnerable. And she really has been cultivating an image as the wicked witch of the west lately. They’ll go for her way more than him I reckon.
ReplyWas she considered an actress in 1989, she had only done one movie wit her dad, in 1982, as a little girl, called “Lookin to Get Out” Maybe the reference is to after she was married to JLM..she had at least made some movies by then.
Reply@Keane:
life = animation, spirit, existence, duration
triumphant = successful, victory, conquers
possession = controll, ownership, property
this could tie into fiefdom; the estate or domain of feudal lord. what do you think?
ReplyHere is some reading if you get bored. It is long, but it explains the level of intelligence of AJ from another blogger. http://www.zeleza.com/blogging/u-s-affairs/angelina-jolie-discovers-africa
Reply@Keane:
I don’t know, SR said they are not announcing a split til Feb 2010, that is almost a year off, by then most of this will have passed by, except the book, but look how they are smearing him, they hired PI’s to did up dirt on him.
Regardless I think this is probably just one snipet of her life’’s story , that is my guess and it has nothing really to do with now. jmo
Reply@ bettieboop – bah I’m lost! His “life’s triumphant possession”, what does that mean? It sounds like his virginity or never having touched drugs or something, but that hardly fits with Mick. Who or what meant more than the world to Mick at any time? Bianca, Faithfull, Jerry Hall? I mean he was unfaithful to all of them wasn’t he so what on earth could he have lost? Also his “life’s triumphant possession”, could it mean “possession” in the being possessed sense? Tying in to “lone exorcism” further on. But what would he have been possessed with? Bah, I’m lost, where’s the Cliff’s notes for this?!
Reply@ Kate – they hired P.I.’s to dig up dirt on who? On Ian????
ReplyAJ was just named one of the most 100 beautiful people by People. Not sure if it’s relevant to this thread.
Reply@Keane:
the spirit of conquering control?
possessed with infidelity, drugs, inappropriate desires…
Replygreek style — could also mean it happened in greece? or is there a greek style icon?
barbaric — “non greek”
also i’m liking the Mick as “sugar daddy” idea.
Reply@ bettieboop – oh my brains ache today, could be!
@ justhelping – that was hilarious and exactly!
Reply@Keane:
Reply“Life’s triumphant possession” = children? He banged the mom (who was the young married actress) who had to go through the ‘lone exorcism” – birthing the evil Ms. Jolie who was spawned by Mr. Jagger – who has been obsessed with his daughter ever since ….. rip it to shreds everyone! I am hallucinating I am sure….
@Keane:
lone = only, without spouse, lacking company
exorcism = purification, expelling evil spirits,
this could translate to a variety of things.
divorce, single
Reply@justhelping:
WHEW!!! what an article and thanks so much for posting that link! especially enjoyed the ” ten simple, but crucial, rules.” ouch.
Reply@Keane:
Replyconquering control by divorce??? This could tie into the previous article.
street fighting Mangie: Street Fighting Man has been called Rolling Stones most political song.
Ev’rywhere I hear the sound of marching, charging feet, boy
Reply‘Cause summer’s here and the time is right for fighting in the street, boy
But what can a poor boy do
Except to sing for a rock ‘n’ roll band
Cause in sleepy London town
There’s just no place for a street fighting man
Hey! Think the time is right for a palace revolution
But where I live the game to play is compromise solution
Hey! Said my name is called disturbance
I’ll shout and scream, I’ll kill the king, I’ll rail at all his servants
There is an article about Marie Helvin. It is called “I’m broke.I’m Not Smart With Money.” She hung with MJ, JH, and dated Jack N. She stated that AJ hit on her, but she wasn’t interested.
ReplyBianca Jagger….. bi-sexual ( by self admittance) South American born, Mick prized her above all, some speculate due to her very strong facial resemblance to his ( in female form of course)
ReplyMick Jagger’s first wife. The two were married May 12, 1971 in St. Tropez. Bianca was expecting their daughter Jade at the time of the wedding. They were divorced in 1979. Bianca Perez Moreno de Macias was born May 2, 1945 in Nicaragua. There is no doubt that the famous “Nicaraguan Benefit Concert” for earthquake victims on January 18, 1973 never would have taken place had it not been for her influence. She is quite the political activist these days. I saw her in recent months on CNN debating against the war with Iraq. Rolling Stones songs about or inspired by Bianca: Luxury & Respectable
SO, maybe the dates don’t work out, but the information certainly rings a bell….
http://www.rollingstonesnet.com/upclose.html
In 1989 didn’t Jer H get a small role in “Batman?” What if his prized possession was off working?
Reply@ Patty Anne – VERY interesting. That would fit with the seismograph allusion. So we think his life’s triumphant possession was Bianca? And she was bi? So it implies Bianca and our fave lady? The “Greek style”/pederasty reference, is it referring to an older and a younger woman? Was Ange his love rival rather than his conquest? But when would this have happened timewise, Mick and Bianca met in 1970 and Bianca filed for divorce in 1978 and it was finalised in 1979. She cited his adultery with Jerry Hall as the reason and said it began on her wedding day. AJ would have been a child then, it doesn’t fit. And the earthquake thing happened in Nicaragua in 1972 so that was when her charity work began. She’s heavily involved in humanitarian projects though. I bet they know each other.
Reply@ justhelping – Marie Helvin said that Angelina hitted on her?!
Replyyes. and maybe she was in the picture around that time. from what i have gleaned from different articles, AJ lied through her teeth about how many partners she has had. she did an article at 24 in which she stated she had already slept with a handull of people. @Keane:
ReplyI googled Angelina Jolie 1989.
http://www.funenclave.com/western-shoots/angelina-jolie-1989-photoshoot-hq-23385.html
http://www.hurrellphotos.com/default.asp?ID=4&action=detail&ProductCode=208
http://www.pbase.com/photogfinn/image/49482098
http://www.mi6.co.uk/news/index.php?itemid=2703
ReplySalman Rushdie also hung with the crowd. He was persecuted and prosecuted and had to go into hiding in 1989 after “The Satanic Verses” was released.
Reply@ justhelping – God that is interesting. Marie Helvin is considerably older than AJ, does this woman have no selection criteria? She doesn’t discriminate in any way, she’s an equal opportunities fuck! Salman Rushdie hung with Mick Jagger and Marie Helvin? I just don’t see how any of this links up and what on earth it means though. Its the most obscure one yet to me!
Replyother words for charmed; enchanted, won over, enticed, moonstruck, etc
Replyother words for seduced ; captivatied, spellbound, aroused, infatuated, etc
What about the year 1989, that has to be significant. What was going on with the Rolling Stones or Jagger then? It might be referring to something specific. We need a major stones fan to help us.
Reply@rotorua:
benjaminbutton14
Has anybody noticed the necklace that Brad gave Jen her during their marriage. She has been wearing it a bit on the set of The Baster and in other photos including when she was guest on Oprah the last time she was on.
Reply@ladybert62:
benjaminbutton14
Good one I’ll pay that one.
ReplyI’m still amazed by this incredible piece – pardon, SITE! – of investigative investigating investigated jornalism.
WoooW. Mr. Ian the deeper investigator, how much have you been paid for doing all your best to not sell one single future boof about the Loonies? that’s the only explanation I can find in all that sillyness.
Ray, no te echaremos de menos.
PS: Im still amazed how Kate is the only one able to decipher your messages. It helps to not feel lonely, me thinks.
WHY NO INVESTIGATABLE NEW ABOUT THE MONEY MONEY MONEY??? This can be REAL stuff for something with a little bit of seriousness!
Reply@benjaminbutton14:
ReplyThanks! I thought the comment had been ignored by everyone – glad you enjoy my silly sense of humor …
@I’m on the bidet:
ReplyThank you, I’m on the bidet. I’ve been feeling this is true of her for quite some time. I appreciate the specific list. Wouldn’t be surprised if it happened when she was younger (and by someone else)…these patterns seem deeply ingrained in her. jmo.
mid way down it mentions 1989.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathy_for_the_Devil
charmed/seduced ????
Reply@BigApplette:
Yes! I really have to wonder where the hell was her mother (and father – although was he ostrisized by then?). Obviously not caring for her child the way she should have…and now, imo, we see AJ doing the same thing. Really sad.
I agree about feeling empathy for her (per Togi), if she was abused (which, it really looks that way)…but also feel that since she has her own kids now she should have been and should be working hard in therapy to give those kids a decent life…instead she is ignoring them and still participating in all sorts of deviant behavior (imo). It is so sad. So, so sad.
Replyanother
http://www.pophistorydig.com/?tag=rolling-stones-1989
ReplyIn 1989 the album Steel Wheels was released. Heralded as a major comeback upon its release, the project is notable for the patching up of Mick Jagger and Keith Richards’ relationship, a reversion to a more classic style of music and the launching of the band’s biggest world tour at the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_Wheels
Reply@ bettieboop – well Ange has a snake around her neck in this pic so its clear she’s the one doing the “charming” I would have thought, i.e. she is the snake charmer. Did anything leap out at you as to what they were doing in 1989 though, why this is relevant, nothing seemed obvious to me from your first link. And what is this “exhausting first sense” thing, has anyone thought about that? Does it mean the 5 senses: touch, taste, sight, smell and sound. According to Aristiotle the first sense is sight, so how would that fit “sick of the sight of someone”. Then it goes on to the not Harlequin bit, which either means not agile and acrobat or clown-like, or it means not Harlequin but Pantalone, i.e. a miserly old man. This makes no sense to me arghhhhh!!!!!
ReplyIn early 1989, The Rolling Stones, including Mick Taylor, Ronnie Wood and Ian Stewart (posthumously), were inducted into the American Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Jagger and Richards appeared to have set animosities aside, and The Rolling Stones went to work on the album that would be called Steel Wheels (UK 2; US 3). Heralded as a return to form, it included the singles “Mixed Emotions”, “Rock and a Hard Place” and “Almost Hear You Sigh”. The album also included “Continental Drift”, recorded in Tangier in 1989 with Bachir Attar and the Master Musicians of Jajouka, whom Brian Jones had recorded in 1968.[67]
Reply@Keane:
ReplyIt’s crazy.
Probably waaayyy of base here but could MJ’s “life’s triumphant possession” be money? The Stones (well Keef and Mick anyway) have millions yet tour all the time and I’ve read loads of reports about how miserly Mick is with money.
ReplyLife’s triumphant Possession
Replycould it be being inducted into the Rock & Roll hall of Fame?
@bettieboop:
ReplyNo that doesn’t work. Sorry had to go back up & reread.
@ bettieboop – fuck knows, we need three things:
1. A Stones fan
Reply2. Some clues from SR
3. Kate to help us
could Moliere be as simple as saying, just like in comedy?
Reply@Keane:
ReplyHell yes! My head is cluttered. I’m reaching I’m sure you can tell.
well more useless info from me – according to what I have found, in 1988 is when evil Ms. Joie started cutting herself (age 13) and in 1989 is when she started S&M with her punk boyfriend.
ReplyBarbaric…shocked and engraged…Greek Style…charmed and somewhat seduced in 1989…lets spend the night together…Mick stormed into his hotel room…natural habitat…gone was his life’s triumphant possession…
Just a guess: She (and maybe a second person) seduced him, he spent the night outside of his hotel room, suddenly recalled the valuables in his hotel room, stormed back, and….grand theft. jmo.
Replyhttp://www.therockradio.com/2007/10/eric-clapton-recalls-pleading-with-mick.html
seduction in 1989
Replywho cares…this place went down the tubes quickly…..did we even find out who CANO was? I bet not. All of this is heresay and speculation sprinkled with some cryptic blabber thrown in, to make you go in circles.. jumped the shark way quick. nothing is ever explained or answered, or has ever had back up to confirm. it all seems very mean spirited as well.
ReplyCarla, 21 y/o Italian model, screwed around on her b/f Eric Clapton with Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones in 1989 according to that url post; the comment Eric makes about realizing it to have been a lucky escape from her in the end makes me wonder though. Sounds to me as if Carla has/had the morals of Angie, although Angie would have been just 13 y/o then…. Okay, my brain is tired.
Reply@bettieboop:
ReplyHi BettieBoop – from this article and the others, I dont see anyone seducing M. Jagger – it always is his seducing them (her and/or him, it seems). What do you think?
@ bettieboop
Re: Moliere, was just reading up on him and I think it means more than just comedy. There are so many bits of his life and works that relate to this that its hard to pick out what it refers to. But it does say like “in Moliere” as opposed to “like Moliere” so I’m assuming it must mean something in one of the plays themselves. Then we have to look at the context:
“isolated and quarantined…just like in Moliere…absorbed and faraway”
I think it must refer to The Imaginary Invalid, a play about a miser who is a hypochondriac and spends all his money on medecines for a non-existent illness. This is the play Moliere collapsed and died during the performing of. It must relate to this….
Reply@ladybert62:
ReplyYes I know. He was always on the make.
Just for fun, and food for thought-this is a review of an old movie-(btw both Jon & MB were part of that movie Jolie did in 83, so much for desertion)
Now Playing
By Leah Rozen
Life or Something Like It
Angelina Jolie may be Jon Voight’s daughter, but she has Mick Jagger’s lips. Framing her wide mouth like two plump bratwursts, they give a performance all their own in this piddling romantic comedy about an ambitious television reporter who reevaluates her life. In repose, the lips loom large. If Jolie’s journalist is angry, they scrunch up when she yells. And when her news gal makes like Jagger—drunkenly warbling “Satisfaction” on live TV in the movie’s most overwrought scene—they pucker to the beat.
If one is paying this close attention to Jolie’s kisser, obviously not all that much else is happening onscreen. Neither the characters nor the story in Life or Something Like It, directed by Stephen Herek (Rock Star), is remotely connected to reality. Instead they seem to exist in a hermetic cinematic world of cute and cuter. Jolie is Lanie, a preening platinum blonde who reports (ineptly, from what we see of her in action) for a Seattle station, but she hungers to go network. Although engaged to a Mariners star slugger (Christian Kane), her constant verbal spatting with Pete (Burns), her cute cameraman, hints that her heart lies elsewhere. When a prognosticating homeless man (Shalhoub) informs Lanie that she will die in a week, she starts some serious soul-searching. “My life that seemed so perfect,” she decides, “now seems like some big greasy doughnut.” Gag me with a Krispy Kreme.
Jolie, who dazzled when portraying deeply troubled women in Gia and in Girl, Interrupted, seems almost contemptuous of Lanie, as if the character was too flighty for her to bother burrowing into. The scratchy-voiced, easygoing Burns, probably better suited to best-buddy roles than leading man, cruises through in neutral. (PG-13)
Replyhttp://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20275350,00.html
Reply…and this information is relevant HOW????
ReplyHow long has this cryptic guessing game been going on? I’ve only been here for four days now,i think. So far, what has been found out for truth? Anything? These puzzles remind me of a box my uncle brought me back from a trip to India. Never could figure out how to open the damn thing….lol. Do we have any concrete information upon which to build solid theories? Is Ian ever going to tell us something which he has confirmed ….outright? My head is spinning, but it’s been an interesting trip to say the least…. ‘-)
Reply“IUC Gaydar: Six left, Only One of These Stars is not Gay”
Just wondering if any follow-up was ever posted to the story above? Was a single person from that list ever actually outed by Ian as being the not gay one with the rest being gay? Sorry, I have nothing to contribute to this specific topic with all the cryptic jumbo.
Reply@ Kate
Not sure if this part of Moliere’s life is then relevant at all:
“But more serious opposition was brewing, focusing on Molière’s politics and his personal life. A so-called parti des Dévots arose in French high society, who protested against Molière’s excessive “realism” and irreverence, which were causing some embarrassment. At this time he very much enjoyed Le Balls in his face. These people accused Molière of having married his daughter.”
Lots of different aspects of his life and his plays seem to relate to this post, and it seems like it would say “like Moliere” as opposed to “like in Moliere” if so. But it does relate to what you just said. That film was dire BTW.
@ Meah – God Ange’s PR is getting ridiculous lately, that made me want to barf. Guess they must be feeling desperate.
Reply@ Patty Anne – its an odd process, you figure out something from one of the posts, and then when you figure out something in the next one, the previous ones begin to make more sense. I don’t think we’re ever going to get concrete answers, more suggestions like you get in blind items. Maybe Ian’s book will be more explicit with it all. I admit this one has me bambozzled.
Reply@Keane:
There was a crater named after Moliere and it also is a bio term I believe. I took this to mean that anal sex happened, someone was Barbaric-…shocked and engraged-…Greek Style-..-…charmed and somewhat seduced in 1989- then they ask to spend the night, was Angelina a pay off to him, a trade, as the mother did with Polanski , ( utter fiefdom) …his lone exorcism-got rid of all his pain..…ascetic world…-abstaining or material things withdraws from world , he was in constant persecution-(then) but now he has …satisfaction…with the street fighting MAngie, and he is in …bucolic peace-he is living a life of peace in the country.…might be implicated…isolated and quarantined, like in Moliere,…absorbed and faraway…
so maybe he was afraid he would be found out like his buddy RP…
Mick pops Angie’s cherry, …exhausting first sense, -, …not harlequin…seismograph for conflicts and doubts,
I think that means he took her virginity, overwhelming feeling for him, not romantic, and the amount of emotional confict it brought and doubts were huge
…Angie, with no loving in our souls…and no money in our coats…you can’t say we’re satifsied…But Angie, I still love you baby…everywhere I look I see your eyes…Angie, Angie…you can’t say we never tried!
Didn’t MJ have something to do with RP trial ? It sort of sounds to me as if this was a similar incident. Other than that I have no idea.
Maybe SR will toss a bone out..
Not that I think she is his daughter, but damn those lips do look like his…lol her mom or dad did not have them..
ReplyThis is totally off topic but I found this gem of a video on youtube, bits of BP and AJ talking about one another during the MAMS press tour and it’s fascinating to see that they weren’t even trying to hide the affair… The sleuthing’s gotten all kinds of serious so here’s a little diversion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8HanM7bMNw&feature=related
ReplyCongratulations on destroying any remaining credibility you had, Ian. I warned you yesterday you shouldn’t post Angelina’s crap. You brought this on yourself, dumbass. On the plus side, maybe John Wayne wasn’t really gay.
ReplyOkay … FYI … google “mick jagger young photos” and “angelina jolie young photos” Now you tell me … WHO does AJ look like????
Reply@Patty anne:
Yes, SR will come on and say that is on target, the last one was confirmed by him, but not until we have exhausted it.
I have nothing else to contribute to this one either. No ideas at all. The fact that IAN has not updated us imo means he is having some problems with the Jen info and he is still working on it..just my take. Maybe he is trying to weed out bad sources and make sure it is correct.
Replyfrom urban dictionary. fits Angie’s roles & mentions blue eyes. Not in 1989 unless shes always been fighting, one way or another.
Mangie 11 up, 6 down
A pretty woman whose diminutive size belies her ability to deliver a crushing blow to the unsuspecting.
There is a lovely young woman at work named Angie. She is wee but feral. I once made a clever quip at her expense and, in retaliation, she smacked me on the arm. It hurts still. I remarked that she punched like a man thereby coining the neologism “Mangie”.
ReplyThe first thing that struck me about her was her blue eyes. The second thing that struck me was her fist. As I spit my teeth into my hand I understood that I wasn’t dealing with an ordinary woman. No, what I had here was a Mangie.
@Kate:
Replysounds good.
@Kate:
ReplyGod I hope so. Brain fried.
Moliere did not die onstage during THE IMAGINARY INVALID.
ReplyFor a good source on Moliìere and the true story of his death, read: MOLIERE: A Theatrical Life by Virginia Scott.
Reply@Togi:
Yikes. You know she has had so much plastic surgery and now she looks just like her mother. When she was about 13 and her JV took her to the Oscars she was not all that pretty, and she did look like MIck, can’t imagine how that went down. Maybe JV left her mom because she got pregnant by MJ, Jolie and James do not really look alike when they are young.. too freaky…but I would hate to think MJ would pop his own..but Ian did say something about “incest” coming…if she was worried about looking more and more like him as she got older it would explain all the face lifts and other stuff at such a young age,, and if he bedded his daughter, well that explain the rest. She does still socialize with him, but that is not such a big deal, if she slept with James then she might not as an adult think all that much about incest ..this is really a horrible thought…
SR can you please give us a hint…
ReplyMolière’s political enemies (like Richelieu) planted the rumor about Molière and his daughter, but it was disproven. Do you think SRCC is pro-Richelieu?
Reply@Kate:
ReplyThey do look a lot a like. AJ has 3 boys & 3 girls.
@Togi:
OMG!
ReplyI have googled both, and WOW. They are so alike it’s scary, infact her nose is identical to his (before her surgery).
@ladybert62:
ReplyHey – maybe I wasn’t so far off! Any from things I have read, Mr. Mick was a producer on her Lara Craft movies and met her in Cambodia (a reporter states that he was stood up for an interview with Mr. Jagger who had met with Ms. Jolie that night instead – I think the reporter was named Joe Cummings). SO maybe it was dad and daughter meeting in the bucolic setting mentioned.
@ladybert62:
Replyvery good.
@Ladybert, what do you think that might have to do with “in Moliere”? There is so little verbiage in this post that isn’t a lyric to a Stones’ song. So I am focused on every part of it! I always I enjoy your comments.
Reply@Kate:
ReplyThat is a horrible thought. No what I mean?
@Kate:
ReplyKate … there are a couple of pictures in particular that I am talking about. There is one of MJ drinking either a bottle of soda/water/beer … something. He actually used to be pretty good looking, which, quite frankly, SHOCKS THE CRUD outta me because I’ve always thought of him as this gross looking old wrinkled guy! LOL. But the eyes are almost identical … even the nose is quite similar, and the face shape of the young AJ. Quite eerie, really. I never gave it any thought at all … I’m not a Stones fan and never have been. Weird.
And Keane mentioned that sight was the first sense to develop – but that is incorrect – it is the sense of touch.
Reply@ladybert62:
Whatever it is, SR is trying to reveal the relationship between them, either he is an old lover, or he bio dad. JMO
Liv Tyler anyone..Nicole Richie, what is with the rock stars that do not want to be labeled Daddy?
Reply@bettieboop:
ReplyYes, it would be. But what if MJ didn’t know about and didn’t find out about it until AFTER. OMG … could you IMAGINE? JMO
@Togi:
Which would make James a half brother….so maybe in her mind that is ok..
JMO
Reply@Kate:Holy Toledo! Im gone a couple hours and now Jolie is MJ’s daughter? I can’t believe how well that would fit in with the incest reference!!! And, her mom did have numerous affairs. Wikipedia says his marriage to MB fell apart in 1978, but that they separated in 1975 one year after AJ was born. So what was Jagger doing in 1974/5? His marriage to Bianca also ended in 1978.
Reply@Josie:
ReplyReally – you enjoy my comments? Let me relish in that a moment – OK … gosh that felt good. Anyway, he mentions Moliere but he also specifically mentions Le Misanthrope – the most famous play by Moliere (I think) – got me but it seems that the protoganist escaped with the love of his life to a place where there was no one he knew – I am hallucinating again, but I keep thinking of his meeting her in Cambodia (both were strangers there as opposed to England and America) – I do not even see anything sexual or sinister in that meeting – it could really have been that of a father/daughter reunion – touching and sweet. I dont see Mick Jagger as so evil as to do his daughter (intentionally that is – maybe he did not know until later after the fact). Anyway, many many people have commented on her resemblance to him in her early years. Please insert the usual disclaimer here that all of this is really my totally ridiculous opinions.
That is Voights marriage to MB and Jaggers to Bianca both fell apart in 1978. Coinkydink? JMP of course.
ReplyJMO I mean! geez, I can’t type! haha
Reply@ladybert62:
Replyand if I am even close in this absolutely wild opinion of mine only then I will buy myself a hugh bottle of Baileys!!! :_)
Rats – am I losing it, I though SR speficially mentioned Le Misanthrope but my quick reading right now I cant find it in the caption (I hate this evil Ms. Jolie picture with that thing) Picture a frowning smiley as I dont know how to do that one!…
ReplyThanks, Ladybert!
ReplyOh my. That is a bit of a smoking gun right there.
May I also suggest googling “Jon Voight Young Photos” for even more alarm bells?
Reply@Togi:
Sorry that post above was in reference to Togi’s earlier post:
Oh my. That is a bit of a smoking gun right there.
May I also suggest googling “Jon Voight Young Photos” for even more alarm bells?
ReplyThis could be a stretch but…….in this picture doesn’t Mick look a bit like Brad Pitt? http://www.whosdatedwho.com/compare/comparison_view.asp?ID=4755
Reply@Sheriffe:
And another thing on this very subject:
“But Angie, I still love you baby… (1) referring to Angie as his “baby”; and
Replyeverywhere I look I see your eyes… (2) the eyes HAVE IT. When he even looks in the mirror he sees her eyes.
http://blogs.gettyimages.com/entertainment/category/angelina-jolie/
Not sure about the Mick Jagger daddy deal. This picture (scroll to 3/4 down to the bottom shows the kids looking ALOT alike and resembling Jon. Also, she is holding on to her daddy TIGHT. Like, please don’t go, protect me, stay, leave him alone…
Replyand just to make myself more annoying – let me continue for a minute my ridiculous train of thought as I got interrupted earlier by work – if I recall correctly, the evil Ms. Jolie said she was happy in Cambodia – referencing again to the Molier story, when she met Mr. Jagger in Cambodia (who I propose is her natural dad), she did not have to be the vixen, the sex bomb, she could be a child somewhat and he and her could have an honest talk without the social conventions interferring -for the first time they could talk honestly about their lives/relationship – she adoped Pax from there (am I correct with this fact) – any way, the name Pax has always means to me Peace (think, Pax Romana – the Roman Peace) – that was not his original name was it? I think she found peace in Cambodia, adopted a child from there (to replace her inner child) and named him Peace (Pax) on purpose – she had found peace. Just a wild idea – again, insert ususal disclaimer that this all my extreme opinion. Thanks.
ReplyI too saw the striking resemblance of young angelina to young mick jagger, however; in viewing those photos, i noticed in the one of young angie hanging on to jon voight with her brother standing near, jon voight’s hands are exactly the same as angies spidery hands. I think it was more of sex/drugs/whatever with mick jagger, and jon voight is her bio dad, but i could be wrong…… just thinking and pondering here
Reply@bluiznsmilez:
ReplyJH definitely looks like JV through the eyes. But not so much AJ. JH and AJ certainly look quite a bit alike, no doubt. Honestly, though, AJ holding onto her daddy (the one she knew) would not be surprising, would it? Even if this crazy guess was true (which is CRAZY in and of itself), I doubt a little girl would be told that her daddy wasn’t her daddy. Know what I mean?
ay yay yay yay yay.
Reply@bluiznsmilez:
ReplyAJ does seem to have JV’s jawline, though … doesn’t she?
@ladybert62:
ReplySorry for typos etc – was in extreme hurry with work and other obligations…. am interested in your thoughts!!
@bluiznsmilez:
ReplyYes she is.
@ladybert62:
ReplyIt’s not a bad theory except that she adopted Maddox from Cambodia and Pax is from Vietnam. It was a nice thought, though!
Are you here Kate?
ReplyI’m on my home pc so I don’t have my avatar. Will tomorrow. I’m one & the same.
Reply@cynicalone:
Thanks for the info and toss everything out the window that I said!! 
ReplyDrats!! Foiled again – I cant keep those kids straight!
Did this work?
Reply@bluiznsmilez:
Interesting how they mention Mick Jagger in that paragraph, despite having no photos of his children in the article, don’t you think?
“This year, Angelina Jolie may celebrate Father’s Day with her father, Jon Voight, having recently ended a period of estrangement. Brad Pitt is a father times three, and by this time next year he may be a father to five. Mick Jagger has a huge stable of kids around the globe. It’s always entertaining to witness the legacy famous dads leave, whether it’s that strong chin, golden voice or sense of humor.”
I wonder why he’s part of the Jolie-Voight-Pitt paragraph? Maybe the author suspects the Jagger/Ange connection and did it to be clever.
Replynow?
Reply@Sheriffe:
Replythat is indeed interesting – there has to be some connection!!
Plain ole bettieboop is now bettieboop8. I’ll have to update my work pc in the am. It’s a bitch when you don’t remember.
Reply@Patty anne:
Replyme too – it is a puzzle indeed..
@Sheriffe:
ReplyI wonder. That’s odd.
OK, seriously. Who still believes anything that Ian says now? He’s running a game on you guys. He’s laughing his ass off because you will believe anything. Mick Jagger? Come on!!! I think I’m done now. Let’s see if this will spread around the internet like all of the crap he writes about Jen.
Replyyou can’t say we’re satifsied…
ReplyThey aren’t satified because the truth can’t come out & or they did not go thru with it?
In a previous article was there a reference to AJ being Jezebel? That is Jade Jagger’s middle name.
Reply@Sheriffe:
ReplyI thought that was odd as well. The comment about MJ was just so “outta the blue.” But I’m tired of trying to figure this out. Why no comment from SR or HH today?
@Kate:
Yep, that woman looks completely different….and more like Jon Voigt now, too, which is interesting….she looked a lot more like Jagger before the plastic surgery.
Good call Togi…to look them up.
ReplyShe and Brad had dinner with MJ and Clint at Cannes last year, remmeber that, the paps filming through the window and he kept taking her hand off of his face. She was eating with her mouth open.
ReplyKate or Keane where are you?
Reply@bluiznsmilez:
ReplyOMG…she looks just like her kids now….”get me out of the camera lens!!” …I can’t believe how ironic and sad that is. She is doing to her kids what she obviously did not want to happen to her.
Both Marcheline B and Jon V have big lips, their daughter inherited them plus!
MB: http://www.bestcelebrityblog.com/images/blogs/7-2008/angelina-jolie-names-daughter-after.jpg
JV: http://www.angelinajoliewatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/young-aj2.jpg
Although the MJ suggestion is enticing, I think she is genetically MB & JV daughter.
MB was very pretty, so was Jon Voight for that matter
Reply@Kate:
ReplyYes I did see that.
@carrie:
ReplyI do, although I am not comfortable with Toni. I bet when all this comes to pass all the naysayers will be right here getting the scoop from IAN…
Kate do you honestly believe there’s a connection between Mick and Angelina ? I mean the blind items and story seem to be going all over the place and one does wonder if anything will proved valid.
Reply@Kate:
ReplyKate, did you take a look @ my replies to your comment?
L & S
What is in the tell all..
IT-
Bitter Fued-After leaving Angelina Brad turns to his family for help. Will she get pregnant to hold up?
Star
ReplyJen Adopting Baby Boy! and Brad urged her to do it.
She is finishing the paperwork for an american baby. She chose a boy because she is a tom boy not a girly girl. Wanted to name the baby William or Jermiah but has decided on Nicholas (Greek) John (after her dad)
@Kate:
ReplyI’m with you but why haven’t they let you know something anything? Do you think there are still issues?
@Nicole:
ReplyI don’t really know about this one, it is too vague. That is why I did not put too much effort into it. She is good friends with him, beyond that, IDK..it does seem though the worse the info the hardle the riddle lol
@Kate:
ReplyWhat are those references to? L & S, IT
@Sheriffe: I can’t say that I agree. That would mean this story is out there and after 30 odd years it hadnt been broken? She doesn’t have V’s jawline because she does resemble her mother quite a bit. She is a good blend of them, and you can see both of them in her. Her brother and her look similar and he takes different characterizations from the parents than she does. I don’t think it was out of the blue, because it was written around Father’s Day and other parents where pictured with their kids.
I honestly am questioning the veracity of SRRC posts. We are led to believe
1.) Angie is into beastiality and incest.
2.) That JV is not her father (although he begs her constantly to see his grandkids) and that Mick Jagger is her father.
3.) She is the biggest whore on the planet sleeping with ARod and that other dude while filming in New York.
4.) That she is a druggie still.
5.) That her children aren’t her children but rather one is brad’s bio from another woman.
6.) Her babies were born earlier than media outlets were informed
Now, I know ya’ll dont want to here this, but these are hateful kooks that sit around and dream this stuff up. Now, I’m not sure how much, cuz I got an email from Ted C after I asked him how he could lead someone to IAN’s site in a link, and he didn’t dish on the guy, but rather asked what was posted….so he might have some legit stuff. SRRC is full of horse poo. SRRC never clarifies his posts enough to know what you are on the right track about.
I guess we’ll see when the books hit, that is if he isn’t toying with us to buy them (library ppl) and if Angie’s lawyers don’t block them.
I’m no Angie fan, but this site has softened my heart to her somewhat. I’ve been left high and dry by a man before, and feel no love for the kind of woman that would do that to another woman. BUT it’s been YEARS and if Jen can let it go, than we should AT LEAST not entertain ourselves with rabid lies about another human being when clearly there is no indication of validity to any of it. I want ALL my blessings in heaven, and I should pray that every human being, regardless, could be forgiven and live a peaceful life and raise their children and love their husbands –including the biotch that stole from me.
And before you punk me out…I’d like to tel l you that when you bash people with different view points than yours or those that question IAN, SRRC, or NC, you remind me of Bush when he said “if you aren’t with us, you are against us.” There weren’t any WMDs, and there is not truth in SRRC posts either. JMO>
ReplyKate, are we going to have to wait for his book? Are these articles just to intrigue us into buying the book?
Reply@Kate:
That’s kinda what I was thinking. LOL ! I also don’t feel right about Toni or even Kimmy as a source. Just don’t .
Regarding the latest-
ReplyI think if anything is to be revealed I don’t know how all these things from Angie’s past will help. Or even Brad’s . It’s been said more than a few times he was a rentboy early on. Plenty of stories around about him. So he’s no “Babe in the woods”. There are no sources lining up from his side willing to tell anything. That’s the other thing that bothers me. It all seems to be centered around accusing Angelina of the worst yet seeing Brad in this almost perfect light. This isn’t even possible considering he’s distributed some douche bag behavior. I don’t know..
@Nicole:
ReplyRentboy, what does that mean? Females & males? I don’t think all these make him look almost perfect light. He has/was been there living this shit. Which does not put him in the perfect light.
@bluiznsmilez:
I feel alot like you do . It almost makes me feel bad for wanting to read gossip etc.. Never thought that day could happen . LOL ! Ted just wants to sound like he’s blind items are validated ..
Reply@bluiznsmilez:
I’m not gonna punk you out! Half this stuff I don’t actually believe, it’s just fun to speculate – however, most of the more sordid stuff we are led to believe about AJ leads me to suspect she had a severe trauma in her childhood. Most of the players in this are grown-ups and can deal with it all, my main concern is their children who are being exploited and not given the stable upbringing that is every child’s birthright. We might be guilty of fanning the flames on this particular site, but if Angie wasn’t calling the paps every time she visited a supermarket, sites like this wouldn’t be discussing her or her children. She owes them protection from all of this, and this is why I’m angry.
Also, I don’t necessarily think that Jen is still going on about it after 4 years – I think the media is beating that one up.
But honestly, I value all opinions I read here, I’m not gonna attack anyone.
Reply@bluiznsmilez:
The who’s cheating who bit is one thing, but the other things you listed are much harder to swallow because, well, they (1) go so far against the norm of society; and (2) it’s an awful lot for one person to be “guilty” of. And yet … here WE are, aye? What I would recommend to you is skipping over the things you are uncomfortable with and not participating in those areas. You’ll know what those subjects are .. that’s what I do. I know how things sound a lot of times, but really, most people are working together on solving a puzzle. Ian, et al give little pits and pieces and the posters put their heads together. For me personally, this is like a word game/mystery. I know I’m not alone in that way of thinking. It’s my belief that no one posting here believes everything we read. JMO, however. 
ReplyBluiznsmilez – I, too, feel much like you do. I, too, desire ALL my blessings in Heaven. Hello, sister, by the way!!!
@bluiznsmilez:
1.) Angie is into beastiality and incest.
2.) That JV is not her father (although he begs her constantly to see his grandkids) and that Mick Jagger is her father.
3.) She is the biggest whore on the planet sleeping with ARod and that other dude while filming in New York.
4.) That she is a druggie still.
5.) That her children aren’t her children but rather one is brad’s bio from another woman.
6.) Her babies were born earlier than media outlets were informed
Hey Blu, hmm, well I have only seen Ian comment on the incest, cruising around Harlem and might be on meth still, she is sleeping with a older man, and a younger guy, right now (she admits herself to keeping multiple lovers at the same time so this is not so far out , is it?) That the source “Toni” said two of the bios are Brad’s and he has only adopted one of the kids.. he has never said anything about when the babies were born, ever. He has never said JV is not her dad and that MJ is, we are doing that, just supposing…so in regards to Ian he has not really said all that much in regard to Brange that is horrible, and as for SRRC we do not really know for sure what he has said, since none have been discussed and confirmed by him after we have worked on the riddles, other than the splitting, the adoptions, etc.
I understand what you are saying though, I have my doubts on many of the Angelina sources, so time will tell..
Reply@Kate:
ReplyYou’re saying none of the “bio’s” are hers?
@Kate:
Replyshe might not as an adult think all that much about incest. Did you read my replies to this comment?
@Sheriffe:I think all of the poor Jen stories have run out of steam and no one who doesn’t already dislike Jen (Brangeloons) will believe the negative stuff about her, I just hate that it never ends. Some of Ian’s stuff seems credibly, but then he comes with this kind of crap. I think the only thing that people want to know about Jen is who’s her next beau and hey want her to have a baby.
Reply@Nicole:
Ted and Ian are friends and I would bet they share info to a point, same as Ian and Dawn, and there are others. Ted though can only validate so much without getting into trouble, and he may be a little green, who knows.
I think part of the problem right now is that we have not heard the Jen story and so people are restless and begiining to let doubt creep in. This is exactly what happened the last time when he did the expose on Brad and Angelina. He had to shelve it for a few days..it would be nice to just get straight up report. Ian said we will prevail, and I think that is true…jmo
ReplyFrom dlisted.
Replyhttp://www.dlisted.com/node/31826
@carrie:
ReplyI am interested in how things broke apart with her and Brad, what went down when, the fact she still loves him and wants him back, all of that. I would not be at all surprised to see them back together when all this shakes down, jmo
Since my move this the 1st I’ve been on my computer @ home. My cat Sally is not too happy. Sitting @ my desk crying, jumping up on my lap. When I’d get home it was me & Sally on the couch hanging out no distractions. All my attentionto her.
ReplyI agree Team Brangelina needs to stop calling the paps everytime they go to TOY R US . For one, while these kids are moving around quit a bit and are photogged like Suri ,Beck’s kids etc. . I understand how gossip can be twisted and turned to make it look like more is really going on than what really the reality of things is. None of us live in with them or know not one person who deels with Brangelina on the day to day basis . So while the pics have hit a nerve and a cause for some concern. I really don’t see where these kids are being neglected to the point of where it’s of grave concern . Brittany Spear’s kids were being neglected and there were allegations of abuse. They were out every day in the car with their mom in 90+ degree weather , crying while she was trying to get her pic snapped. There is a difference. I am not saying Brangelina (both parties) are Angels. I think these paps follow them and for the most part they court the attention . The kids look well groomed and cute . I think if there was really some abuse the former nannys and other staff would have said so. The most Angelina has been accused of by them is over indulgence of spoiling the kids rotten with no limits as far as set nap times etc.. Plenty of kids are truly being abused truly abused, exploited and neglected. I ‘m starting to think the kids are being used to exploit Angelina of course Brad is blameless. As Angelina has “exploited” them with her famewhoring ways. JMO … I’m not trying to stir the pot . But, I think if people are concerned for these kids social services would have been called . Or someone should call them if they truly believe they are being neglected and exploited. These kids are HW royalty . Golden spoons in their lil hands from day one when they arrived in the house of Brangie. The way the press is on Brangelina like flies on shit. It would have been reported by now.. I am not saying cause these people are rich and can travel that’s immpossible to believe they are being neglected. I for one believe in limits and stability amongst other things when raising kids. To eaches it’s own . But, I think the “Save the BRANGIE KIDS” is a bit over exaggerated. Starting to wonder if this is just another excuse used by some to justify unwarranted vitriol towards Angelina. Angelina maybe Batshit and an extreme famewhore like Brad . But, I really don’t think she’s neglecting the care of her children overall. Neither do I believe Brad is.
Reply@Kate:
I hear ya Kate. I will wait and see. I am not anxious about the Jen story to be honest. But, will remain objective and not try to come off as a complete naysayer. LOL .
ReplySilence keeping from Brangie against the all rumors about their breakup and the pictures with facts going to the grocery store, Brad’s visits to the set of SALT, got results, now just one of the tabloids is trying to keep the story alive, but the others addressed the info to others stars. So for now, with nothing more to say about the breakup, my prediction for the next days will be: “The tabloids, IAN and Company will address their heavy artillery to the BodyGuard-Tell All Book.” BORING.
ReplySorry for all my grammatical errors. I type too fast and should spell check more.
ReplyMore from Mickey Brett’s book pitch? — Or, maybe not? –
“Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie – Have a baby and diaper sex fetish according to bodyguard
“Brad Pitt in diapers?
“Mickey Brett, Brangelina’s former bodyguard, has submitted a proposal for a tell-all book on some of his major clients. The most explosive details, however, are about Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt. One can always debate whether or not the details are true, but I have seen the proposal and can reveal some very racy details.
“Mr. Brett recalls a time when he heard a lot of baby noises from the bedroom and it didn’t sound like any of Branjelina’s kids. Brad Pitt, wearing diapers and a baby bib, ran out of the room and into the bathroom despite having a bathroom in their bedroom, not realizing Mr. Brett was watching. Mr. Brett then assumed the baby sounds were just a recording. He hid behind the wall to hear some more and realized there was a third person in there. He heard another woman say, “I don’t know if I am comfortable with this.” But when Brad entered the room again, she was pretty much silenced. Then, he heard a lot of spanking going on followed by the recording being turned off. Suddenly, all three began to cry like babies until they climaxed.
“I don’t know what to make of this. I can definitely imagine Angelina Jolie being involved in all this, but Brad Pitt? My image of him has just been destroyed! Please stay tuned to this column as I have more explosive details from Mickey Brett’s proposed book.”
http://www.examiner.com/x-7494-LA-Gossip-Examiner~y2009m4d29-Brad-Pitt-and-Angelina-Jolie–Have-a-baby-and-diaper-sex-fettish-according-to-bodyguard
Reply@Phileas:
LOLOLOL ! Brad in a diapy . I put nothing past any celebrity . I do think Mickey sounds full of shit though . Sounds like an episode of CSI when the Las Vegas club owner was murdered. Someone was hiding behind a wall and pushed him over the balcony. Something like that.. No wonder Mickey is still looking for a buyer..
Reply@Nicole:
Forgot to add in that episode the LAS VEGAS casino owner was wearing a diaper and had pooped on himself. There was a little recorder in that episode with adult baby type cooing etc..
Reply@Nicole:
ReplyI saw that one. It was great. The wife of the guy was in Just Shot Me. Correct? I forget her name.
What is with all the hate …..why judge so harshly on speculation…..this place was fun for one quick second, then the evil reared it’s ugly head. wow, just wow. You people seem very mean spirited. I now understand why gossip is not a good thing. people turn mean and angry and manipulate words to believe non truths that have not been confirmed. Are we judged differently by the “Higher Up” with what we do and say. Because this place is as evil and troubled as all of you think of the subject manner. So we are all in the same boat, even myself for being a part of all this, and for continuing to read and visit. Smile, and relax.
ReplyHey Kate are your on? Any answers or comments to any of my replies to you?
Reply@bettieboop8:
Yes she was . I don’t remember her name off hand either. I agree a very good episode. I love CSI !
If Mickey hadn’t been fired he would still be working form Brangie. He was fired for lying amongst other things. But, the adult baby allegation is hilarious !
Did anyone see NIP/TUCK when there was that student who Sean was sleeping with,she tried to turn him into an adult baby ? Brad is going from being bi, to forced feminization and now diapys.. LOL
Reply@Nicole:
ReplyJust looked it up on imbd, Wendy Malick.
@Phileas:
ReplyOMG…LOL…this is too funny…in a very deranged way.
@Nicole:
ReplyHmmm, suspicious, yes.
I guess it should be bedtime all though this is my first @ being on the site @ night after work. Was hoping “things” would be progessing.
Reply@Togi:
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“For me personally, this is like a word game/mystery. I know I’m not alone in that way of thinking. It’s my belief that no one posting here believes everything we read. JMO, however.
Right on, Togi. : )
Reply@Phileas:Heh.
Reply@Phileas:
ReplyThanks for the links. This is the first I was able to understand another post from a different article here.
@bettieboop8:
ReplyMeant progressing.
@Phileas:
ReplyNow THAT is FUNNY! Wwwhhhaaaaaa! Wwwhhhaaaaaa! BAHAAA haaa!
@Z:
ReplyHi Z… how are you doing this evening???? I wasn’t much into this latest blog … with the exception of AJ (when she was younger) looking almost identical to MJ when he was younger! I think it’s probably just coincidence, but it sure is weird. I was finding most everything else pretty disturbing. Guess I have a weak stomach or somethin’
@Togi:
ReplyHi Togi! You are right on there (about those two looking alike – before she got all the plastic surgery). Yeah, maybe a coincidence…but yes! Strange! Well, child abuse is very disturbing, so it’s probably a good reaction. : ) I’m OK…trying to find a new doc, which is not easy. But I’m determined.
@Phileas:
Well he use to run around the house on a broomstick with a cowboy hat naked yelling, yippee when he was living with , was it Sinnata, or Thandie , one of them.
Damn this is embarassing, his poor father.
Reply@Kate:
ReplyIt seems likely that she was that active, shall we say, considering the videos she was doing at 16 or so. Very sexual. Where the hell were her parents?
@Kate:
ReplyOMG…that guy needs some help. Maybe he just didn’t grow up. I agree…his poor parents!!
@Kate:
ReplyOM Gosh … you are KIDDING! What a complete KOOK. (Actually, I think it is hysterically funny).
@Kate:
ReplyHmmm, did anyone see “Burn After Reading”?….BP did a great impression of a baby drinking from a bottle…which was hilarious (he was drinking from a water bottle, I guess, but looked just like a toddler or younger w/ a bottle). This is now taking on a whole new meaning. I thought it was just ‘cuz he had kids…and that’s why he did it so well. hmmmmmm……..
It is a funny image, that’s for sure.
Reply@Nicole:
ReplyWell , hey, Brad did say he likes babies lol
@Z:
ReplyAre you looking for a Lyme’s Disease doc? I only know ONE person who has that horrible disease. After he contacted it, he lost absolutely EVERYTHING. His wife bailed on him too because she thought he was full of poop and that he was just making up all his symptoms! That was a long time ago … back when Lyme’s was just becoming known in the “mainstream.” I really don’t know much about it … but now that I’ve warmed up my detective skills, I’ll have to do a little research!
@Z:
ReplyI saw it , as goofy as he acts I could totally see him doing this, but can someone explain to me how one gets turned on by it, I am at a loss on that. lol
@bettieboop8:
ReplyI am back, I have to sort though and find them lol
@Z:
It’s a shame because I can’t really picture AJ being innocently silly. JA, DEFINITELY. I remember an interview where she said they sat around their house being nerds. I could see that with those two. Being nerdy is fun. JMO, of course!
ReplyI don’t know … personally, I think he can be stinking FUNNY! This is all goofy behavior, which I have to admit is RIGHT up my alley! I embarrass my daughter all the time. But she secretly likes it because she says none of the other moms are weird like me.
@bettieboop8:
Replythey are all hers , but only two of the bios are Brads
@Kate:
ReplyEXACTLY! I would be laughing so hard there would just be NO way!
@bettieboop8:
ReplyLIFE AND STYLE AND IN TOUCH MAGS
@bettieboop8:
ReplyTo get the complete and total story, my guess would be yes. lol
@Togi:
There is huge controversy over it…and you can lose everything…including your mind. It’s a nightmare. I am so lucky my hubby has stuck around! He has it, too…but not as bad. That is so sad about your friend…and not uncommon. Yep, btw, that’s the kind of doc I’m looking for…will be my 3rd one.
@Kate:
ReplyIDK, Kate, I am also at a loss as to how that could be a turn on?!? Something must have happened early in his development?
@Togi:
That is funny…sitting around being nerds. And yeah, it sounds goofy…that is why that was so funny in that movie…totally goofy. And if you’ve had kids you know that suck on the bottle while you are looking around the room look. Hard to explain…lol. But I also can not see AJ acting goofy on purpose…she just always tries to be so cool….imo.
@bettieboop:
Horrible yes, but at this point I bet she would rather something like that come out than Brad have his diapers on display…lol
Okay, now remember SR said she drugged Brad and painted his toes and then sucked them for hours and she made him dress in womens clothes against his will…..I bet the diapers is part of it for Jolie…sounds like it was a threesome, wonder if that is Toni.
ReplyI wonder how this guy got the exerpts form MB book…kind of funny, here they are trying to stop it and he is going to leak it day by day. ha ha
Reply@Kate:
ReplyYeah! Good point about the book excerpt. I was thinking the same thing, Kate…how do you find 3 people who are into a baby fetish (unless it’s one thing that brought them together)…I figure it was one coercing others…and I also suspect it was AJ…she seems to be into some weird crap…jmo.
@Z:
Well MB told L&S he is not writing a book and he does not know where that came from.lol so , did they pay him off. The guy at the Examiner saw the book proposal, and is going to release more details, so it will be out there, and he does not like Brange
Moving along to Ted C, copied this off another board-
Being Angelina Jolie’s be-yotch is literally paying off! Brad Pitt filmed a commercial in Manhattan today, for Japanese cell phone company Softbank, which had him playing the part of an umbrella holder for a sumo wrestler.
Gosh, constantly being at someone else’s beck and call comes so natural for Bradley! Once Brangelina eventually becomes kaput, maybe she can hire him on as her assistant or something. We’re totally serious. There would be no tell-all book threats ’cause we all know B doesn’t want any of their shenanigans made public.
Or maybe he picked up umbrella-coddling tips from Jen Aniston back in the day?
Reply@Kate:
ReplyI saw that one. I love Ted … he is such a smart alec! Ted has been saying forever (like everyone else has been, of course) that they will be “kaput” and that AJ wears the pants in that family. So did JA coddle the umbrella to hold over BP’s head to shield HIM or herself, or both? Hmmmmm.
@Togi:
she babied him, lol, but no diapers!
IAN , ARE YOU IN HIDING AGAIN, CAN WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON WHERE THINGS ARE WITH JENS STORY?
CHEERS!
p.s..was Toni in there with the diaper sex? or was that a nanny?
Reply@Kate:
ReplyMight I add that the picture Ted used is quite funny! If JA was coddling an umbrella, and she was holding it like BP is in that photo, there would no doubt she held it to cover HIS head (or butt, as the case may be). LOL
@Kate:
ReplyGood grief. I am going to go to sleep LAUGHING tonight. Diapers, brooms, cowboy hats, YIPEEE. OMGGGGGGGGG. Honest to Pete! I mean … Honey, why don’t you come on over here while Mommy changes your diapers! ARGH!!! BA HAAA!
@Kate:
OH! I didn’t see that. Whoa! Geez. I was hoping for that book…well I hope more excerpts come out…if we can trust them. Interesting piece from Ted. So he is saying they will break up. And that Brad has become a doormat.
Yeah, Ted said once he will be sad when they break up…mainly because he won’t have them to talk about anymore.
Reply@Togi:
ReplyI think she’ll always shield herself first…that’s the kind of gal she is.
@Z:
ReplyI meant AJ…not JA is that way…my mistake.
@Togi:
ReplyOh and Ted is basically confirming their shenanigans. Interesting!!
@Kate:
p.s..was Toni in there with the diaper sex? or was that a nanny?
Good question there! So I’m thinking (like lots of us) that Toni could be Jenny or Holly. Which one?
Reply@Z:
ReplyTed’s a riot. But he is also totally against abuse and he really sticks to his guns on those issues. He has also admitted it was the kids that would cause him sorrow … not AJ and BP. I’ve been bummed reading his site lately because it’s all about Twilight and I couldn’t give a rat’s rear end about those kid’s personal lives. They just seem like decent youngsters to me. No babies involved, no spouses … everyone’s single. Big whoop. The’re not hurting anyone. He has barely mentioned Brange lately, where he used to mention AJ almost every single day. Me no likie Teddy getting sat on by the big bullies.
@Z:
ReplyOh, he’s being saying they are bogus years. I think he has some pretty good gossip sources but nothing proven. He’s not an INVESTIGATOR and the Brange hate him as well.
@Kate:
Reply“the diaper sex” …. And here we go again! Now we have an actual name for it. Baby, let’s have us some DIAPER SEX! Whhhhhaaaaaaaaa! I wanna bahbah!
@Togi:
That is sooo good! And I so agree. Abuse is inexcuseable in any shape or form. I’m also happy too hear he cares about the kids (Brange’s). They are the ones that ultimately suffer here. Same here about Twilight!! I actually haven’t been going over there,….too much Twilight. I couldn’t care less either. Yeah, it is sad when people are closed down because of the HW bullies.
They hate whoever is looking for the truth.
Reply@Togi:
ReplyLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hilarious, Togi!!! Well, you know, people here have been saying Brange is into pee and poo…it does fit, come to think of it. Diaper.pee.poo. Yep. It fits.
@Z:
ReplyEeeeewwwww, btw.
@Togi:
See had can you see Brad laying there getting his diaper changed? LOL they have been so on Ian they let this story get out! funny cause Ian has been nice to Brad. I wonder if anyone at Cannes will ask him if has changed any diapered lately. He he!
He needs to split from from Jolie before all of it comes out!
ReplyApologies if this has been posted before. And for putting it on this thread, wasn’t sure where to put it.
“”I know it all.”
—Close, professional colleague who was once in the employ of Brad Pitt, but who was let go a year after the stud hooked up with man-borrower Angelina Jolie. Said colleague is currently writing a book (just like Brangelina’s former bodyguard) that includes not-so-flattering stories about the woman who swooped in on Pitt and changed several key figures and elements in his life, not just his marital status”
http://uk.eonline.com/uberblog/the_awful_truth/b120850_blab_blab_blab_are_more_brangelina.html
Another source?
Reply@NoName:
Replysince that says Jolie changed several key figures in his life that has to be someone like Cindy G.
@ladybert62:
ReplyIt was just a thought – prob the wrong timeframe as I’m sure as someone said he was with Jerry at this time, but it all seems a bit muddled – was she 14 or was she married. Anyway, mY teeny thought was maybe Bianca was involved somewhere – she looks quite similar to Mick in as much as she had big lips etc. Anyway, just a thought !
@Kate:
ReplyIt’s by Ted Casablanca. Maybe using Cindy G’s wording. But she doesn’t work for Pitt anymore. Thought she left after the whole twins birth fiasco.
Kate: Sorry misunderstood. Still waking up. Can’t have coffee. It might be her. But it would end her career if she wrote a book about him.
ReplyIn 1989 they went to Tangier to record “Continental Drift”. And that was the year they were inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame. It was also the year they got back together after breaking up and going for solo careers. It was also the first time they had toured in 7 years. Not sure if any of that is important.
Replyhttp://www.examiner.com/x-7494-LA-Gossip-Examiner~y2009m4d29-Brad-Pitt-and-Angelina-Jolie–Have-a-baby-and-diaper-sex-fettish-according-to-bodyguard
Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie – Have a baby and diaper sex fetish according to bodyguard
Mickey Brett, Brangelina’s former bodyguard, has submitted a proposal for a tell-all book on some of his major clients. The most explosive details, however, are about Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt. One can always debate whether or not the details are true, but I have seen the proposal and can reveal some very racy details.
Mr. Brett recalls a time when he heard a lot of baby noises from the bedroom and it didn’t sound like any of Branjelina’s kids. Brad Pitt, wearing diapers and a baby bib, ran out of the room and into the bathroom despite having a bathroom in their bedroom, not realizing Mr. Brett was watching. Mr. Brett then assumed the baby sounds were just a recording. He hid behind the wall to hear some more and realized there was a third person in there. He heard another woman say, “I don’t know if I am comfortable with this.” But when Brad entered the room again, she was pretty much silenced. Then, he heard a lot of spanking going on followed by the recording being turned off. Suddenly, all three began to cry like babies until they climaxed.
I don’t know what to make of this. I can definitely imagine Angelina Jolie being involved in all this, but Brad Pitt? My image of him has just been destroyed! Please stay tuned to this column as I have more explosive details from Mickey Brett’s proposed book.
ReplyOk well the latest revelation from MB book is that Brad does not use toilet paper,he uses his hand and then washes it. Jolie thinks of is gross and does not want to do it but he wants the kids to do this also. This is from the same guy in the LA Examiner who saw the book proposal. LOL Now MB is telling a tab he was.
Never writing a book. This guy is releasing one tid bit a day. It so far sounds like a smear Brad campaign by Jolie. MB is in the UK so how is this guy in LA, Brads backyard seeing the proposal . m
Many always thought it would be against Pitt more than her.So even if he does not write a book the info will be put out there and straight up. Sounds like someone is trying to counter strike IAN, yes?
Reply@Kate:
Next thing you know, he’s going to be a Muslim terrorist…
Yeah, sounds like a smear job to me. (No pun intended)
ReplyCant stop to post much today, but just keep thinking of SR’s previous comment that “she will always have the old man’s money to fall back on”. Doesn’t “the old man” mean a father more than a husband? I wouldn’t have thought Jon Voight had more money than her…. I don’t know, just a thought. This whole thing has me foxed right now. As for Ian’s source I find it highly likely that it is Holly considering what has been said, and I think some of the legal problems may be to do with her confidentiality agreement. If you notice what has come out so far, it is only really stuff that doesn’t paint Brange in a negative light. We’ve heard dirt on Jen and incidental details from Ange’s past, but nothing really current or significant or Brange. Could be legal issues with the confidentiality agreement. JMO. Hope you all have a good day.
Reply@Kate:
ReplyOf course, maybe Brangie paid off Mickey AND the newspaper, who has been instructed to leak more and more ridiculous stories every day to underline what the lawyers said about MB being a “pathological liar”.
@Keane:
ReplyMaybe the old man is exactly that, an old man. Like Eastwood who I keep coming back to for some reason.
@Kate:
IF AJ was telling this to the Daryl guy then surely she’d leak stories that he wouldn’t get sued for as it would be more believeable that way. I would think she would leak it to her favourites;- People mag or someone at least reputable, wouldn’t she?
Reply@Zippety dooh dah:
ReplyNo way, this guy is saying he saw the proposal. L&S is saying Brett told them he never wrote one. L&S is her mouthpiece, she planted that imo, to take the heat off her with Brad. Then to hurt him she gives info to this Daryl , maybe she had fake stories written into a proposal, and passed it on to him or leaked it. So far nothing has hurt her, nothing. The dog story-oops Ang does not like dogs so the pIttball story must be wrong, the toilet story, oops she thinks that is nasty so no way will she piss and poo in sex with Bunny, meanwhile Brad looks like a fool and unfit father for running around the house in a diaper, after he has said he likes babies. jmo mloon says the book is still on track, no pay off, these stories are not in it, and never were and did not happen, but they do kinky shit. that is what I read.. This is about the divorce and the custody imo, although she also says they are still together.
@Kate:
ReplyThis makes sense to me Kate – she is looking forward and taking control well in advance as usual – I almost feel sorry for Mr. Pitt and his team – she is going to get what she wants, when she wants and how she wants.
@Canuck:
ReplyLOL….smear job…hahahaha. This subject is ripe for a lot of good jokes.
@ladybert62:
ReplyMakes sense to me, too…but I hope it backfires….that woman needs her face slapped, and good! jmo.
This may have already been mentioned, and may be a huge leap in the wrong direction, but I think MJ or someone associated with him introduced AJ to heroin. This blind item from January 2007, since removed from Dlisted, is supposedly about AJ hooking up with Marilyn Manson to shoot up:
“WHICH Tinseltown sex siren with a humanitarian streak has resumed her old habit of dabbling with heroin? She paid a recent visit to an old rock star friend and joined him in narcotic stupor.”
http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/archive/2007/01/10/angie_and_marilyn_manson_into_the_hbomb_together_huh.php
I don’t know but when I read “old rock star friend” I thought of MJ when I read this SRRC item…
Reply@Jean:
ReplyThis was on Perez Hilton , a bit back, the speculation there was that it is Marilyn Manson, not Jagger. MM has painted portraits of AJ and they used to party together. Check out the archives on that blog , they should still be there.
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