IUC Exclusive: Jennifer Aniston “I Want Him Back”

Of course she wants him back- or thinks she does. But the REALITY of being with a man with 6 children and a tetchy ex…well the reality may be a lot trickier than the fantasy. She just shouldn’t pine too much…as men who are suddenly cut free from the baby momma’s tend to want to play the field…in my experience. Just saying!

Not surprised at all.

If she can forgive him, take him back, trust him again, take the kids, treat them like her own AND he stays true to her (big if), she’ll come off as a saint and be more popular than ever. If she does all that AND he “hooks up” with another bimbo down the line, she’ll be thought of as a doormat and her career is toast. Be very careful.

I’m not surprised at all that she wants him back. However, she really needs to proceed with caution if she ever has the oppurtunity too. He cheated on her once with Jolie, and if he did it once (that we know of!) he will most likely do it again.
This could really tarnish her image if she takes him back and things go sour, as stinky-inky posted.

“Dirty Jezebel”? Well fiddle-dee-dee, when did JA turn into Scarlett O’Hara? Because that seriously sounds like some ol’ Scarlett would say in a fit of rage, LOL!

Sorry not buying it. JA might still have warm feelings for Pitt, who knows, but I don’t buy that she or most women for that matter would want a man who comes saddled with 6 kids, a baby mama, and all the obnoxious media attention that comes along with being with Pitt.

I torn with this, I say he’s damaged goods, love lost, love lorn. Maybe just maybe this two had the real thing. This picture of them , shows move love between them, than any other picture I have seen of Brad and Ange. I like that “Dirty Jezebel”, ha ha , that ’s a good one, it fits her perfectly. Yeah know, in a way I think these two really are meant for each other.

And so it begins. Im sticking to my idea that she is somehow involved in the procurement of the two new babies. They look so happy in that pic. They always used to look happy together, smiling, joking around holding on tight to each other. Not like the wooden forced painful expressions he wears with AJ. He has never looked as natural with her as he did with JA. Even their style is so much more natural and easygoing. Its only been 4 years and JA looks the same but both AJ and BP look 10 years older.

@maggiethecat: I think she could handle the press storm, shes certainly used to it as she gets enough of that on her own.

“Dirty Jezebel”???!!! Come on… The whole thing was almost credible up to that point.

I think the “diry jezebel” was a cleaned up version of what she might of actually called Angie.

The story of Jezebel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jezebel_(Bible)
“Jehu then confronts Jezebel in Jezreel and urges her eunuchs to kill the queen mother by throwing her out a window. They comply, tossing her out the window and leaving her in the street to be eaten by dogs. Only Jezebel’s skull, feet, and hands remained.”

Jezebel:
“Ahab and Jezebel let temples of Baal operate in Israel, and the pagan religion receives royal patronage. Furthermore, the queen uses her control over Ahab to lead the Hebrews into idolatry, “sexual immorality” and subjects them to tyranny.”

@Tamara:
I’m sure she could handle the press, I’m just not sure that she would be willing to sign up for even more relentless media scrutiny. She seems to like flying under the radar when she can and there’s no way to do that with the media circus that is now part and parcel of Pitt’s life. Also taking back Brad Pitt means being an insta mom of 6 and that Angelina Jolie will forever be a huge part of her life, and I can’t see JA accepting that. Like I said I wouldn’t doubt that she has loving feelings for him but I can’t imagine that she wants him back.

I kind of like her but I wished she would just move on. It’s hard (read, pathetic) to watch any woman waiting patiently on the sidelines for four years in the hopes that the man who left her for her exact opposite will someday return.

The only thing that would cause more of a stir than Brad bringing Angie to Cannes would be Brad bringing Jen! I’d love to see that, just to see the media reaction. It would be bigger than big. But, I think Jen should proceed with caution, if this report is true. Every woman who has gotten back together with a straying husband knows that it is never the same.

@stinky-inky: Didn’t Jezebel have some priests or prophets murdered as well ?

@Sal: Why credible up to that point? Most people see Jolie in the same way.

@HisHighness:
I never really thought these two were done. So Jen and Brad still have ties together with real estate.
Your Highness, is this marital property or is this something that they have together recently?

@Mama San:
“After she has the prophets of Yahweh slaughtered, the prophet Elijah challenges 450 prophets of Baal to a test (1 Kings 18), exposes their god as powerless, has them slaughtered (1 Kings 18:40), and incurs Jezebel’s furious enmity.”

@HisHighness:
Would that be the home that Jen lives in which is way way too big for one person? The one she has been renovating for a few years now?

@stinky-inky:
Didn’t he have them try to call on their G-D, to fire up the alter they were praying on to {Baal} ?

@Mama San:
Yes: http://www.drbo.org/chapter/11018.htm

Actually, the Jezebel thing really works with AJ: you got the whole dog thing, worshipping idols and baal, cutting themselves with knives, immorality and fornication.

The name Jezebel has come down through the centuries to be used as a general name for wicked women. Her Biblical account in Kings I and Kings II shows her as a scheming, manipulative woman and the epitome of evil.

In modern usage, the name of Jezebel is sometimes used as a synonym for sexually promiscuous and sometimes controlling women, as in the title of the 1938 Bette Davis film Jezebel or the 1951 Frankie Laine hit “Jezebel”. This image is epitomised by the phrase “painted Jezebel.”

The aspect of sexual wickedness, very evident in later Christian interpretation of the character, has little evidence in the Biblical text itself — which, whatever else it imputes to her, depicts Jezebel as a faithful and loyal wife. (The putting on of makeup is performed when she knows she is soon to die, as a kind of defiance of her killer-to-be, Jehu). She was “the woman behind the man”, and often manipulated her husband King Ahab, or authorized edicts in his name, with or without his permission or knowledge.

From a Biblical and Christian point of view, a comparison to Jezebel would suggest that a person would be a pagan or an apostate masquerading as a servant of God, who by manipulation and/or seduction misleads the saints of God into sins of idolatry and sexual immorality, sending them to hell.

from wikipedia

@stinky-inky:
Thank you, I’ll look it up later, I actually have to go to work, I almost forgot I have a life, lol.
I agree with you, she does sound like a modern day Jezzie, how about the whore of babylon. I think that fits her too.
Peace guys bbl.

I agree with the posters who commented on how Brad looks in pics with JA versus AJ. Him and Jen did always look so happy and comfortable. Pictures of him and Angelina look cold, uncomfortable and forced. He looks like he has aged a good ten to fifteen years since getting with Angelina. He looked MUCH better when him and Jen were together.

I do agree also with the post about how it’s kind of depressing to think of Jennifer sitting around all these years just hoping and waiting for him to come back into her life. As I said before, if I were in her shoes, I could never trust him again, which would make it impossible to have a meaningful relationship. And he does bring a great deal of baggage with him.

I was always annoyed with the whole love triangle between the three when it started. I thought AJ was a homwrecker and I was tired of hearing JA cry about it. But, in the end, especially after reading all Ian’s stories, I side with Jennifer. AJ sounds like a complete nutcase. Im anxious to see how this whole situation pans out!

@Mama San: Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots and abominations on earth, the mother of all sins…:)

how about brad does he want jen back?

I think it would be interesting if they got back together if for nothing else than to watch the Angelunatics go haywire. Those fanatics will probably end up in an asylum over something like that but then again, hell…..that’s where most of them belong anyway.

There is no way anyone in their right mind should wait for an ex for 4 years, hasn’t Jennifer learned by now that Brad is NO prize? Anyway, I don’t care about that part of it. I just want to see the Brangelina machine implode.

what a shocker. How about some news OTHER than Brangelina? there ARE other celebs Ian. This is why I only check in here about once a week now. Same shit, different day. BORING.

The only thing I would suggest JA to do if she gets back with BP is to get him a full blood screening for STD’s and HIV. As well as a check up from a urologist. I don’t think she may know entirely where he has been dipping his weiner.

Best of luck to Jen and I hope everything works out for her whatever she decides. The children will have a very loving stepmom.

in the interest of fairness : ) of course BP looks older now, he was much younger when he was with JA and childless which gave him much more time to concentate on himself I suppose, sleep, pamper etc lol.. he’s 45 now, everyone ages especially with 6 kids in tow… don’t think AJ can be blamed for everything… bet he’s not the easiest to live with either… he seems to have gone from being in charge with JA to having to compromise / give in more perhaps? only my opinion shrugs – thanks for reading : )

Aw, Jen, haven’t you heard the old saying, “You can’t go home again”? Come on, now.

I agree he looks very happy in that picture with JA. I wonder if Brad will learn anything (other than it was a mistake) from his experience with AJ. Cause I’m not sure he’s overly blessed with a lot of brain cells. JA should be guardedly optimistic if Brad has reached out to her. Taking on Brad’s kids and dealing w/AJ could be too much to ask of anyone. Especially if he keeps his movie career moving and she’s left with the kids more often then not albeit with the help of nannies. I like a happy ending as much as anyone but I’d hate for her to get hurt once again. She doesn’t have a lot of available men in Hollywood to chose from (according to Ted C, 75% gay/bi) so I understand if she always had a connection with BP that she would like to rekindle it again.

I love Jen but I really think she needs to move one. Pitt humiliated her and disrespected their marriage. If she takes him back he’ll do it again and again. Pitt is a serial cheater. I really wish she’d get over him and move on with her life. She can do so much better than Pitt.

@dina:

Dina – I wish as well she would move on but with who? Maybe she figures he’s the best of the heap in Tinseltown? We usually see the good side (mostly) of celebrities but behind the scenes g-d only knows what they are really like and I’m sure she’s come across a lot of losers through her work and social life. Dated some as well (John Mayer supremo d-bag).

@Angie’s Fax Machine:
Yeah if all the rumors are true, AJ has the herp. Yuck Wouldnt be surprising if she has a lot of StdS with all the shit she has been into.

I agree Jen was happier with him and he with her, and her choice of men has just not been great. But could she trust him? Should she? Seems a step back to me but this is Hollyweird so she probably has some crazy peccadilloes that we dont know about.

@ HH – or maybe she just wants some head, from you or Jen?! Sorry, couldn’t resist that one, we have heard stranger stories about this woman!

Had a quick flick through the Brangelina stories in this week’s mags today in the hairdressers and one of them was saying that their temporary split was looking likely to be more permanent and it was discussing who would get custody of the kids (Look). The two I read were both clearly releaseed by Ange’s PR team who seem to be going into overdrive at the moment trying to save the reputation of their client, Brad’s team have a lot of catching up to do IMO. The Look article said that Ange offered Brad, wait for it, HALF of her fortune to keep her 6 kids (supposed to be 60 million pounds), which sounds prety ludicrous. It was trying to paint Ange as the selfless mother who would sacrifice everything for the sake of her children and wants to keep them at all costs (nothing at all to do with wanting to screw over their dad of course!). It was hilarious. The other one was in Grazia magazine and said that Angelina has stopped eating all together and that everyone was very worried about her. The story linked her not eating to how she behaved after her mother died when she couldn’t eat through grief, so it was clearly trying to get as much sympathy for “poor Angie” as possible, and obviously to try to deflect any suggestion the weight loss had anything to do with drugs by throwing the bereavement card in there. There was also some talk about how calm Angie was or something and how both Brad and Ange had always been great parents and always put the children first etc etc. That they never rowed (!!!!!) in front of the kids at all and always maintained a secure and loving home environment for the kids!!! That was far and away the most hilarious part of it all – no throwing knives at Brad or knocking him down the stairs and giving him a black eye for Ange in this story then and obviously no hint of a suicide attempt or fucking a stripper while the kids were sleeping!!! Not quite the picture we’re getting from Ian!!

And as for Jen, well I’m with whoever it was who said that Brad’s future kids could be to do with her. To have two more on his own or with some random woman he’s not in a relationship with is reckless in the extreme and I really think he has lost his mind if that’s what he’s doing. I really fervently hope for the sake of those children that he’s bringing them into a relationship with Jen and not just irresponsibly fathering more of them left, right and centre when he doesn’t have the time to care for the ones he’s got. Do either of them ever consider the welfare of the children and not themselves? Doesn’t sound like it to me.

And where does the French/Sudanese Baby-Mama to be fit into all this?

Hi.. imo I think it will be a cold day in hell before AJ allows JA to ‘raise’ or be any sort of mother to those children….@Keane:

@Keane:
Hey Keane, I think this is the nail on the head that SR was talking about. First Brad was set on getting all 6 kids back in February and he was prepared to used everything he had to do it. Then suddenly he is willing to take shared custody in April,hmm 2 months later, now he has met with Jen, has a new baby on the way, and possibly set a new plan in motion. Not saying this is what is going on, but Brad is a planner, and I could easily see hims thinking, if had a snoballs cahnce in hell of getting any of the adopted and possibly one of the bio’s not being his, then rather than drag this out in a nasty custody battle just give her sole legal custody, take visitation, and off he goes on his life with his new family. Jen would not be mother ever to any of Angelina’s kids, you can be sure of that, because that bitch, with sole custody will take them out of the country and they will never step foot back in. James will be the daddy figure. If Brad sees them he and his new family will have to travel to that place and he may get to spend a very small amount of time due to the fact, just how often can he go running to this new “hot” other country”

As for Jen and Brad getting back, I has said for a long time he did not think Brad would want to, but, people change their minds and as the story unfolds he may be seeing new things that are enlighting him at this point. I have always been told that Jen still retained very small portion of Plan B, I don’t know if that is what he means by they still own property together.

We can all give out opinion on if she should but the fact is they did not have a conventional traditional marriage, they both had other partners, and Jen agree to that, and when you do you open your bed up to the possibility that one day that will not be enough. She has changed also, stronger, richer, more independent. but still the warmth of the home, that he always craved. I would not be surprised one bit if they make a deal and end up back together and it will be forever, just like Paul and Joanne, only this time Jen will allow Brad his little boys on the side. jmo

I also want to point out, Brad going back to Jen will save his ass completely with the masses, all he has to do is be humble and gracious and respectful to her and apologize and the fantasy is reborn or the golden couple and everyone will forgive. What could be bigger news that Brad and Jen getting back together? Not much other than Brad and Angelina splitting up and fighting for custody. lol It may not be the the Romeo and Juliet everyone thinks but is sure would be a power couple.

hi all,does anybody know the supposed other child is from,is the sudanese woman having twins or is there another woman involved or another adoption,help me out guys i am a bit thick today!
@ Keane – hope your hair looks nice hun,btw i hope pitt puts out some pr of his own soon,not unlike your good self but i don’t want him to come off smelling of roses!
@ HH – thank you so much for your hard work and persaverance in bringing the brange down much appreciated by all

@topbrit:
Ian is still working on finding out more on the “children” so we don’t know yet.

I love that! dirty jezebel. LMAO! I don’t think she’d take him back but I’m sure they will renew a very close friendship if he finally leaves Jolie. Can you see step mommy Jen? Not to far off from Jen joking about holding zahara and knox on her hip. Jolie will NEVER let it happen. Also, I don’t think she’s waiting on the sideline for him …. I think it’s all about timing. Maybe there’s a reason none of her relationships work out. I’m sure there’s nothing she’d want more than to have a marriage and a child but maybe the universe has different plans for her and Brad is a part of it.

The trust issues between the two would be very hard to overcome, I’m sure. That’s why I don’t think it will happen. The last thing Jen would want is a part II to this fiasco. All it would take is another movie role with a hot younger co-star and Jen would have her guard up and all the “trust issues” would resurface. I think she’s smarter than that. Maybe she’ll just use him for “reproduction” purposes and be a single mom. LOL.

@ kate – i wasn’t aware jen saw other people in the marriage,do you know any specifics?
imo he would use jen just to save his ass i’m sure,not love her just use and humiliate her once again!

@ kate – thanks for that

@ascar:

Doubtful. Too much “water under the bridge”, IMO.

@Kate: Kate ITA. First of all, Brad will take less heat then AJ will over the break up. People want to love him and forgive him because he he was bewitched by the evil one and it was beyond his control and he wasn’t in his right mind but now that hes come to his senses and goes back to the one true love of his life all will be forgiven and AJ will be totally villified. And, JA will never have a hand in raising those 6 kids, AJ will never never allow her near them. BP must want out of the relationship so desperately that he is willing to give up his kids to do so.

@ Kate – and him getting with Jen would destroy Ange in the eyes of HW I think. How on earth could she compete with the power of the two of them combined? She supposedly already thinks Jen stopped her from getting any awards for Changeling. And then she gave the hilarious sour grapes comment that her acting career only came fourth to her in importance behind being a mother to her children, a good wife to Brad and helping the world – ha ha haha!! The most competitive woman in the world strikes again with another unbelievably ungracious comment because she didn’t win anything! Of course, if she had it would have been a great honour!!! And yeah it would be hilarious to hear Brad tell the world how Jen was always the one for him, that she was his real love and make Ange look like sloppy seconds in just the way she has made Jen look all these years. That would be poetic jutstice.

But yeah I absolutely think you’re right, him going back to Jen would save his image/career, and if pictures are anything to go by just look at how relaxed, happy and normal he looked in the pic with Jen. Not remotely like the miserable, stressed, drunken Brad he looks like nowadays. There was also an interesting bit in the Look magazine article I read today about Brange’s split and who would get custody about all the couples who had posed happily for red carpet photos and then immediately split (Julia Roberts and Benjamin Bratt for one). Just shows some media outlets are clocking on to the PR tactics of celebs a little bit more now and aren’t afraid to point them out. Sorry I’m rambling a bit today, and jumping from one topic to another, I have the worst cold!

Sniff, Sniff… that picture makes me so sad. That being said, they will never get back together. Brad never looks back, he keeps moving forward. I think that has always been part of his philosophy of life. IMO, they both need to find people outside of the business to settle down with. Seriously, how much longer can Brad keep up this crazy public life? He has been living with all of this crazy gossip now for nearly two decades. With or without kids, he needs to disappear for awhile with someone normal. I would really miss him, but I think that is best.

BTW I never knew that about Joanne and Paul!! No matter what, I think they had a lovely marriage, family, life. Whatever their pecdilloes they made it work and I admire them greatly because of it.

@topbrit:

They had a open marriage contrary to what many think.That has sort of unraveled the last few days, Brad and Jen had threesomes, but I think it went beyond that myself. When you open you marriage bed open up to others, well, you get others, why do you think she is so willing to take him back? She knows the truth about what happened. He did cheat but I think it is more complicated than that, and she forgave him back in September, they have been friends according to Ian since then.

@Tamara:
Exactly, and they did. What people do not realize is that in HW it works different for these people. They can have these kind of marriages and a family while they are younger and as they grow old together eventually the sex stops with others and they become more dedicated to just each other because they have that solid foundation of friendship and respect. A marriage can not last with out that. You have to respect your mate, and they have to be your friend if you are going to live 50 years with that person jmo

@mandy:
Mandy you just said it, Brad is 45 years old and still making babies, and now has 2 more with other women on the way as part of his grand plan, he has to choose a mother and settle his ass down in one place to raise these kids. What are the odds he is going to choose a new person to help him in this crazy plan of his?

jenn wants a baby more than anything. so brad is giving her that because for some reason she cannot have one biologically. she has wanted one for awhile like her friend sheryl crow. she wants brad’s baby most of all.

@K2:
K2- this comment from Jen-Jen joking about holding zahara and knox on her hip. was said after Jen and Brad had reconciled as friends, it was said during the time Brad was in the middle of he Grand Plan…go back and look at the time frame….just a thought.

You may be right, but that is a interesting observation..

@annabell:

You would think he would pick one that would look as much like the two of them as possible thought eh? I mean, or try? Kind of odd IF this is what is going on, and not saying it is, Brad may have planned this all on his own and then asked her to come on board, or maybe he has not even asked her yet, but the conversation with his parents sounded like his parents were suggesting that.

@Kate:
What are you saying? You mean that it would be easier to talk Jen into going along with his plan than to try and make it work with someone new?

I know Ian has been right about almost everything, but I don’t want to believe about the “new” children. That just seems too crazy, but then again, I don’t know why anything would surprise me at this point.

@Kate: Remember what Jen said about Steven Tyler? That just popped in my head, here’s Tyler’s response:
“My wife loves Brad [Pitt] so maybe we can do a swap thing.” — Aerosmith frontman Steven Tyler on learning that Jennifer Aniston had picked him as the one person with whom she was allowed to cheat if the opportunity ever arose

@Tamara:
I wonder if her cheat list was laminated LOL.

@mandy:
I am not saying easier, I am saying that Jen has always loved him, why should the public dictate what she does with her heart. If she needs to go back and go through it again for closure she does, Melanie Griffith did that with Don Johnson, had a child, and it did not work, she moved on , and they are the best of friends. Sometimes that is what it takes. Jen knows what she needs to do. If she loves hims, all the new guys in her path will not matter, if she loves Brad. I have seen women love a man for 30 years, and never remarry for that reason, my best friend in fact. She is 49 years old and has never ever gotten over him, she is successful, beautiful, could have any guy, looks about 38 , great shape, but nope, she wants him, and I have no doubt she always will. They split up 10 years ago. She has never even been with another man. He is remarried to a real estate agent who is a like the one on Desperate Housewives lol Can’t change who you love, can’t make yourself love someone either. Will Brad go back, doubtful, but one never knows, anything is possible , did we see any of this coming?

@Tamara:
yes, and when Jen was asked who Brad could have, who did he say he wanted , she said, “He didn’t”

PR= Golden Couple

They did not want to be the GC but they set themselves up that way and later hated it because it boxed them in, same as he did with AJ, when will the zen master learn. Although I think that is more Jen, but I do think Brad really did love Jen, the lust just died out, the got bored because they kept pushing the limit. Dumbass.

@Kate:
Something that has always bothered me… If Jen really did love him as much as we all believe, why didn’t she fight harder for him? If my husband was working on a movie with Angelina Jolie and I was madly in love with him, I would have been on that set every day (like Melanie Griffith on Original Sin). There is no way I would have just laid down and let that skank flirt with my husband, call him on the phone, make him breakfast, do love scenes with him without underwear. (eww) And then in the Vanity Fair article, she said something like, “He wanted to find himself and I said, fine, go find yourself.” If you really loved somebody would you let them go that easily? I love Jen, but I am not so sure she was as madly in love as we think. jmo

@Kate: If Im truthful I always hoped BP would come to his senses and go back to JA. I really believe she’s just been waiting for him to sow his wild oats and come home to Momma when he was ready. If anything all this globe trotting manic lifestyle might make her easygoing malibu, friends, margaritas and nights in front of the tv with a pizza life seem like a breath of fresh air. To me JA is sunshine and AJ is moonless night.

@Kate:
I’m still wondering whether or not it was initially intended that these “children” be adopted by Brangie. I mean, Ian did say that they were deep into the adoption process already. Just wondering.

@Tamara:
To me JA is sunshine and AJ is moonless night.

Wow. That pretty much sums it up, but I seriously doubt she has just been waiting around for him all these years. She is Jennifer Aniston for crying out loud! She waits for noone. lol

AJ wears a long black dress to the beach!!! Ive never seen her in a bikini LOL She’s like Elvira. And you know, BP is from Missouri and no matter how long he’s lived in HW he is and always will be an Ozarks boy. Although he did spend many years with Juliette Lewis and I imagine shes much more like AJ then any of his other GF’s.

@mandy:
I don’t think it was a lack of love, but that she trusted him.

@mandy: LOL I know! Wishful thinking haha

@Angie’s Fax Machine: I think it was precisely that she DID love him that she didnt fight it.

@Angie’s Fax Machine:
Sure she trusted him, but who trusts Jolie? The whole world knew of her reputation. The rumors of their affair practically started before filming of MAMs began. If I were Jennifer, I would have been there to make sure AngieJo behaved herself.

If this stuff actually turns out to be true (even some of it) and JA is ‘on board’ with BP’s plans or if she really is his should to cry on and it does turn nasty … I can imagine AJ leaking stories about her and the JA/BP marriage/relationship… sure I read somewhere that when BP and AJ got together he told her all about him and JA? Am I remember ing this right anyone or is all this meging in my mind now? lol

@newbie guest:
Hey Newbie … I think you are remembering correctly. AJ said in an interview that BP cried on her shoulder. LOL. That cracks me up.

@mandy:
I’m with you on that. I would’ve been right there too. But I think she was wrapping up Friends around that time, so she couldn’t do it. Melanie Griffith probably had nothing else to do, so she hung around the OS set. Anyway, he’s a big boy… he shouldn’t need his wife to keep an eye on him.

I feel so guilty for being this interested but wouldn’t it be facinating to really know hee hee – I bet JA has got some shocking skeletons lurking too, come on this is HW after all but she is ‘cleaner’ than AJ so maybe is able to hide better?@Togi:

@togi:
I second that.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s20/clearview1975/alien-1.jpg

@Togi:
More like cried on her saggy bosom or between her legs.

@Togi: Maybe he should get an Oscar for it! I’d be appalled if I was JA – woman would be nuts to take him back – bet if it comes right down to it and if she does – wonder how long SHE will want HIM!

Would you want a man you had to watch all the time? I’d have a breakdown!@Angie’s Fax Machine:

@Angie’s Fax Machine:
Agreed. In any other situation, I would not expect to have to keep an eye on my husband at all times, but again, we are talking about Angelina. She is the most manipulative, conniving, evil woman who had already broken up several relationships.
But you are right about Jen being busy at the time. I think she was ending friends and promoting Along Came Polly, if I remember correctly. Melanie G definitely has some time on her hands. lol

@mandy:
No matter how much you love someone, everyone has breaking point where you tired of the lies and the petulance and the games.

@stinky-inky:
So, why would she want him back?

I’ll say this for BP–if he does go back with JA, he can cancel his appointments with his plastic surgeons. He’ll look 10 years younger within 2 weeks.

@Angie’s Fax Machine:
Baaa haaaaa! Sorry … now that’s a visual I could do without! lol Bad, bad JA … she musta been so rotten to poor Bradie! haaa haaa

@HisHighness:
Dude, be careful. Angelina is batshit crazy.

@Keane:
Excellent post Keane. I agree with you 100%!

@newbie guest:
I wouldn’t want a man who I’d have to watch all the time, but in that case (with AJ walking around without panties so anyone can get a whiff) I would keep that dog on a tight leash. Just saying.

@mandy:
I agree, it’s a tough call. It’s easier on the outside looking in. I would think that kind of pain becomes indelible. But time moves on and heals some wounds, one can’t really “pull the trigger” and make the same commitment with anyone else, and one remembers the good times. Plus, he IS a good actor. So maybe he knows which buttons to push and how to say the right things. Or maybe it’s a totally codependent relationship. She could talk yourself into a “he’s learned his lesson” and a “trust but verify” relationship. But Jen, do yourself a favor, and get a pre-nup.

@Angie’s Fax Machine:Hey thanks for responding AFM : ) what is this about her being panty-less? I caught a similar reference in an earlier posting from Kate? Sorry I’m pretty new and definitely a bit of novice : ) Also was thinking that the A List woman that BP has been talking to (mentioned on another thread) could be Gwyneth Paltrow – I saw an article which said that they have been speaking on the phone a lot lately and they are looking for a new moview project together … just a thought – thanks for listening!

If I was granted a wish from the HW God above… I would hope that the rumors are true and that AJ & BP did break up. Just can’t stomach them being together! AJ needs a good bitch slapping, IMO; the bitch needs to be set straight and realize she’s not all that. I don’t think I’d have such harsh feelings towards this woman (AJ) if her being wasn’t so “dark” and she wasn’t so sneaky, manipulative, and deceptive. I’m totally for JA but don’t wish her back together with BP either; she’s too good for him – rather see her w/ JM. lol.

@newbie guest:
GP is an old girlfriend and if I remember correctly, really tried to talk him into staying with JA. Maybe he’s calling all his old friends who advised him not to touch that skank with a 10 foot pole and telling them they were right. Reconnecting. Looking for the “come-home-all-is-forgiven” message.

@newbie guest:
There was an insider on the set of Mr and Mrs Smith who claimed that Angelina refused to wear the flesh colored underwear most actors use during love scenes. The person claimed that she just got into bed with him naked and that it was the main thing everyone remembered from working on that film. It really makes me angry to even think about it, but I totally believe it is true.
That is interesting about Gwyneth, but I think Brad would probably find her totally boring now. jmo

@stinky-inky:
Hi – could be but weren’t there problems between JA and GP? GP slammed JA for something or other (think it was something to do with speaking so publicly about BP and their marriage and break-up or some such thing) – didn’t JA miss an important event where C-Cox was being honoured because of it? (Also read that JA was intimidated by GP cause of how much BP loved her?) She apparently wanted to avoid GP, missed the event and p***ed off CC..shrugs.. not sure really just what I remember reading somewhere. Wouldn’t it be funny if BP and GP got back together …. what would Maddonna think hee hee

@mandy:

Wow – I haven’t read or heard that before! My god BP should be kicked to the curb by BOTH JA and AJ if you ask me – what she did (if true) is completely out of order but he was the one with the wife at home! What did he do – get into that bed with her – knowing that!! BH!!

@mandy:

Thanks for explaining that by the way : ) Forgot to say in my horror!

@newbie guest:
I don’t know about JA and GP–I didn’t really get into the whole story until the BP-JA-AJ triangle and it became a soap opera! I think GP mentioned that BP-JA shouldn’t have lived the relationship in the spotlight. At the time JA was insulted, but later admitted she was correct.

I wonder if part of JA’s and BP’s “reconciliation” talk in September was that she said, look let’s be totally honest about what you did. I want to know all the details. I hope he was finally honest with her. I just feel that it was obvious BP misled her, and worse than that, he made her look like a fool in front of millions of people. Remember her famous quote to Vogue right after the split: “I choose to believe my husband.” It was so gullible of her, it hurt my heart to read it. She obviously needed to believe it in order to get through that time. Then we all know it came out from the director and crew members that her husband was having sex with Angie early on in filming, and that Angie wore no panties during the sex scenes, they were having phone sex, BP brought Angie to his home he shared with Jen, and the crew of MAMS referred to Angie as “the black widow” due to the obvious play she made for BP. THEN to add insult to injury Brangie threw Jen under the bus with this whole “she didn’t want to give him children thing.” THEN Brangie proceeded to blab on an on about their love, feel each other up at awards shows, and BP made comment after comment disrespecting his ex wife to the media. Appalling.

OR I wonder if JA just said, hey, I forgive you, let’s let bygones be bygones. I hope she didn’t do that. My sister took her husband back after an affair, he moved back in, and she let him get away with the old “I don’t want to talk about it” trick. Total cop-out. She never got over it BTW, and it ended about 18 months later, for good.

I think GP and JA are actually good friends. Don’t they both have the same publicist? Steven Huvane?

@newbie guest:
I was equally horrified the first time I read it. NE reported it first and then USweekly. In Brad’s defense, he was doing his job, but still pretty sleezy. yuck!

@mandy:
He was doing his job, but he could’ve refused to continue the love scene until she covered her publics (as opposed to privates).

@Angie’s Fax Machine:
LOL!! Yes, very true. Especially the part about her “publics.”

@Angie’s Fax Machine:

I’m with you there! What he can’t say no?! So sad

you guys may have seen this already (quite recent looking at the comments at the bottom); an extract:

Jennifer Aniston Sent Message To Brad Pitt About Angelina Jolie
According to the report, Jennifer Aniston sent a message to Brad Pitt. The message includes “See – I told you so”, on what the actor faces now with a self-admitted “moody” Angelina Jolie.

full article here: http://www.sponkit.com/jennifer-aniston-sent-message-to-brad-pitt-about-angelina-jolie/
(its short)

i still cannot believe that the brange is splitting up yet as i feel that they still have a couple of pennies to milk out of the fans that worship, and until they are really dispised by the press and the public so that knowbody wants to write and takes photos of them because the mags and movies are not making money they will stay together. i hope that jen never takes this man back as he is a sleeze bag of the lowest kind and always seems to get a free pass and the womaen always get thrown under the bus, i would love to see jen with owen wilson as i think they both have sweer and kind natures and would compliment each other. no true friend of jen would tell stories about her that would make her look weak and lovelorn. jmo

@Keane:
Keane; I just logged on now (PST) and saw your post describing a cold. Well, this is what I got from the internet regarding how to treat a cold.

Make a soup of the following:

Several different green vegetables, chopped up. (spinach, kale, cabbage, broccoli, etc!)
Add several, or more, cloves of garlic. (Here, you may want to add another green: parsley to control effects of the garlic).
Cook in chicken broth.

It’s supposed to be highly effective!

I use this recipe, with variations.

@newbie guest:
Who’s Tiffany Law?

newbie guest, I just found this tidbit on the link you posted. It makes a lot of sense as to why Brad and Angie were so tight lipped about their beginnings, and why the reports of the infidelity by MAMS crew members that contrast with what BP and AJ say:

A source claims the reason why the celebrity couple [Brangie] seems to have so much secrecy. The source revealed that the couple hired a crisis manager before Mr. & Mrs. Smith came out, and was told to never admit to an on-set affair, saying, “It would hurt their career. People would turn against Brad for cheating on Jen, America’s Sweetheart. He and Angie won’t even confess to kissing!”

@stinky-inky:
stinky-inky said on April 14th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
I’ll say this for BP–if he does go back with JA, he can cancel his appointments with his plastic surgeons. He’ll look 10 years younger within 2 weeks.

I had to chuckle when I read that because you are so right, she will clean him up pronto, the stress will be gone and he will look 10 years younger. If you scroll down to the Brangelina split thread and look at the pic of him at the AP, look how bloated his face is from drinking compared to how he looked before. Even pics of him when Shiloh was 1 year old he still looked really good, after 2006 it was all downhill. The Pitbull did it! Jen darling if you go back, get plenty of blood work on him. We already know he has herpes, that slowed down the shoot of IB but lord knows what else..JMO

@ Alif – aw that is so nice of you, thanks so much! I actually just had a curry with loads of garlic, chillies, onions and coriander in and I am feeling a wee bit better. Yesterday’s jerk pork chops with pineapple salsa helped a little bit too – more chillies and lots of vitamin C. I will try that one you mentioned sometime though, I am a cold magnet! x

@Kate:
He’ll also be back in Southern California in the sunshine, instead of guarding whatever pit the Bride of Dracula sleeps in during the day.

@Keane:
Yes, I also go with the veggies that help with the breathiing process; i.e. cabbage, garlic, cauliflower, broccoli, etc!)

But there’s another factor in the ongoing problem with colds: Stress! Pace yourself, is what I”m told; as this applies to the heart, as well.

One other thing you might consider: In the field of universal dynamics, there are evil, as well as good vibrations. Since AJ is an expert in the evil vibes, (voodoo), one who is known to her as an adversary, must protect herself/himself. How?
I’t’s highly recommended that said person should contact her/his higher power, and declare that the person turn over the destructive messages to Him It’s now in His hands.
Another method used, is to say to one’s self: If anything negative or destructive is sent my way, I solemnly reject it, and return it to the sender. This is MIND POWER!
Does this makes sense? I use it often!

@ Alif – how fascinating thanks for the advice! Although as much as I would like to believe that Angelina is the root of all evil, I’ve had this dodgy immne system for many a year now, and unfortunately it was due to something I took on a doctor’s advice. My big tip for everyone: never, under any circumstances take your doctors word for it. I’ve learnt this from bitter experience and a close member of my family is still alive today because I did not take her consultant’s word for it. I’m all for the veg though, love all that nutritional, natural healing stuff!

Well, the ball seems to be in Jen’s court. Will she drop it?

It’s not only AJ who is a master manipulater. Brad is, also. His image is everything to him!

I agree that before she entertains the thought of taking Brad back, she should protect herself from STD’s, and insist he be checked for the AiDS virus.
Also, he’d be returning with some odious baggage. He may have taken care of the body odor problem; but is he still the same old Brad?
Will he make Jen look ten years older in quick time?

There’s also this to consider: We’ve all had an intense desire/fantasy for someone who we felt was out of our reach. We convinced ourselves that such a person was totally out of our league. So?
So somehow the person becomes not only within our reach, but is ours to have and to hold.
Well, very frequently, we suddenly decide that the person is no longer that attractive, after all.
Will Jen take off her blinders? It’s really up to her, and we have no business telling her. But we can talk about it.

As the late Simone Signoret, wrote: NOSTALIGIA ISN’T WHAT IT USED TO BE!

@Angie’s Fax Machine:
I’ve not a clue who Tiffany Law is, sorry, google’d the name but came up with zip.

@ Kate – how do you know all this?! lol Brad herpes? really?

If Jennifer Aniston hooks back up with Brad Pitt, her name will be mud. The idea that most people will have the same benevolence toward them as a couple or view them as a glamor couple again is pure fantasy. People will think of him as morally decrepit for reproducing everywhere with various trashy baby mommas, and they will think of her as either pathetic or low-life herself for taking back such a piece of shit. They will be called Paniston. Jennifer still has a chance to remain respected by herself or with someone else, but the glory days of Jennifer and Brad together are over and won’t return.

@Annenonymous:
You are talking about a select few internet groupies not the vast majority of Americans that rent and buy her DVD’s and go to her movies and buy the magazines she has interviews in because she is America’s Sweetheart. Many would see her as the way he described when they first hooked up, “she is kind, compassionate, she has great empathy for others, she is just really cool” and at a later date, “Jen does not have a mean bone in her body” and again ” she is the warmth that draws everyone , the center of our home” this is all paraphrased, not exact, and of course jmo , we don’t agree, but sometimes on the internet we forget that the masses out there never hear about much of what we do. They have just heard her say she does not blame him, that she takes half the blame, that she is very proud of him, that she loves him, etc. I guess time will tell and it may be a moot point other than them being close friends and her always being close to his family, but I don’t think it would hurt her at all. In internet land, yes , some would go off the deep end. lol

slightly off topic but I am curious: I hear mention on these threads occasionally of a “Doug Pitt”. Is that Brad’s brother? And if so, is he Brad’s spokesperson? I’ve never heard any of the Pitt family ever speak for Brad. He doesn’t even seem to speak much for himself.

@ffleur:
Yes, that is his brother and he is his mouthpiece, just google him, lol, you will see him say blah blah we still love Jen, we love Angie too, then Jen is a friend of Brads so why shouldnt she be a friend of ours. He manages all the bullshit basically even though that is not his job. Sort of the undesignated mouth piece I think Jane Pitt once said.

@Kate:
Thanks Katie-bear (I had a teddy called that once). Is Doug as good-looking as Brad?

@ffleur:
No.. not really, Brad seems to be the only one that got the star quality looks in that family.

IAN, what property does Jen still share with Brad, I have always heard she retained 1 pct of Plan B, is there any truth to that?

@Mama San:
Thanks Mama San. I’ve seen Mrs Pitt but never any of the other sibs or Mr P.

@ffleur:
You know they are actually a nice looking couple, Google the premier of CCOBB, with AJ, BP and his parents, his dad is a handsome looking fellow. They seem like good people, down to earth. I can only imagine their heartbreak and concern over the mess their son got himself into.

hi everyone- just a thought if JA does take him back, her first order of business should be to make him get rid of that ridiculous mustache!

love reading everyone’s thoughts and contributions to this train wreck in progress!

Hello,
Not sure that this is true:), but thanks for a post.
Thank you
AnnaHopn

[...some talk about how calm Angie was or something and how both Brad and Ange had always been great parents and always put the children first etc etc. That they never rowed (!!!!!) in front of the kids at all and always maintained a secure and loving home environment for the kids!!!]

aaaaaaahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!

@LaLaLa: Fiorstly, its been proven that there was no affair anyway, so unfortunately you gullible fools fell for the biggest TABLOID HOAX in history. Secondly, as for Jennifer, if she wants him back, its too late. She stabbed him in the back, chose her career over a family, she THREW HIM AWAY. Too late now biatch, to regret your actions. Serves herself right. Jen is now finding she can’t find a better man, and definitely can’t hold any (this woman has serious relationship issues), so now she regrets throwing Brad away. She has tarnished her image enough, by calling her mother a disease, bed-hopping between 6 men since Brad, having to resort to hiring escorts and the very obvioust stunt with her hired ‘boyfriend’ Mayer (who’s fetish is Golden Showers) at the Oscars, her constant tipping off the paps for attention (all her media stunts like The Ivy) and having to resort to stripping like a 2 dollar hooker to sell a children’s movie. Jen has become a joke. She has no self-respect, and thinks nothing of selling her body for press. She is as tarnished as she can be. To me, she is a joke. She’s just worthless trash, and she is delusional is she truly thinks Brad is going to drop his family; his gorgeous life partner and mother of his children to go back to Ms Leather bed solarium and Malibu beach manicured nails Aniston. He truly upgraded, and has far more important things on his mind than selfish and vain Jen’s bleached hair extensions, such as humanitarian causes. Jen is just a worthless vain, self-absorbed bleached blonde bimbo piece shite in comparison and I can’t wait for people to admit they were wrong for falsely accusing Angelina and to remove the wool from their eyes and see Ice Queen Jen as the fake that she is.

Besides, considering the trash Jen is and the amound of men who have been through that hole since he’s been gone INCLUDING notorious WOMANISER and Golden Shower fetish Mayer, he’d be well advised to have Aniston or as many call her now Sluttiston checked out for all the STDs she’s obviously carrying.

@LaLaLa:Of course, after reading the biased TABLOID ’stories’ (all proven to be FALSE) from the ill-reputed owner of this blog, you take Jennifer’s side, proving that Jen fans are gullible middle-aged tabloid-reading and BELIEVING vindictive bitches. He’s got you in honey, hook line and sinker. I guess thinking for yourself and using logic, common sense and OTHER more creditable (non-tabloid) sources means you can have someone else do the thinking for you. How nice!

Lastly, as to who looked better with whom, the answer is clear. When he was with Jen, they always looked cold, and ‘fake’. All that “hollywood’ stuff that Jen loved and he hated, was a charade with him. His face now, just glows. With Angelina, his pure love for her shines through, and he never has he been happier. Even the tabloids have said the same thing. You can all cling to your bitchy gossip about Jenhen being the innocent little victim, butter wouldn’t melt in her mouth, but when are you going to wake up to the fact you rose-colored glass wearing Loonifers that this fake and self-absorbed bitch fooled you all. There was no affair, and you all attacked a woman who did nothing wrong, all because of your blind worship for this superficial bitch. Whether you like it or not, the tide is turning. More people are seeing Jen as the pr manipulating slut that she is. There is no level she won’t stoop to, to gain attention. And what gets me, is you lot are so snowed by her, you think she is the second coming! Face facts tabloid believing starry-eyed fools: she is as much responsible for her marriage breakup as Brad is. She threw him out. She chose a career, over Brad, who waited 7 years for all her promises (read lies) to come true. What is even more ironic, is that is well known that she cheated on Tate Donovan, with Brad Pitt! So even supposing an affair happened (which now of course its been proven there was no affair), perhaps it was Jen’s karma? What comes around goes around kind of thing. I have never seen such a phenomen before where people all gullibly believe what I believe is the most successful tabloid hoax ever pulled, and blindly rush to defend someone who willingly threw her OWN marriage away, and blame it on someone that didn’t do anything wrong! To attack a man that had already endured enough. A woman that has done nothing other than help war torn countries and families, rising to one of the highest echelons in foreign diplomacy, all because the gullible masses saw Jen as a ’sweetheart’ who could *do no wrong!* When does it stop? When will you people acknowledge that just perhaps, you were WRONG to villify a woman on tabloid LIES? And that, perhaps, maybe, just maybe, Jen is as phoney as a 3 dollar bill? Many more people recently are abandonning Jen as she sinks lower and lower in her spiralling behavior and desperate need for publicity and attention. Luckily, the tide is starting to change. People are sick of Jen being made into a saint who did nothing wrong in her marriage despite being 50% of it, and are seeing how unfair the bullying and witchhunt of Angelina is. There are many like myself, who previously couldn’t give a stuff about Angelina, but now support her because we have been driven to by the irrational and disgusting behaviour of Aniston fans. Its Aniston’s fans, that are her undoing. There is something inherrantly sick and evil in a bunch of vicious and nasty people who 5 years on, still can’t move on, and slate a woman all on the basis of hearsay, DESPITE STRONG EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY. This is a modern day Salem Witchhunt. Its pathetic that so many of you have such little self-worth that you hate a good decent woman for no reason other than tabloid lies, because you cannot handle the fact that you have been snowed by a woman who is second to no one when it comes to manipulating gullible plebs like yourself. You are all as shallow, vain and worthless as she is, and I have no doubt that you also admire Paris Hilton and Britney Spears. For god’s sake, grow up and take a good hard look in the mirror. The fact is, jealousy and inadequacy propels you, not just your callous inhumane treatment and shallowness. Women are their own worst enemy as they tear each other appart, instead of supporting each other. None of you are fit to lick Angelina’s boots, who is so far above you, you couldn’t even see her in a plane. Shed that wool from your eyes and stop worshipping a cruel and cold hearted (anyone who supports someone that called their own mother a disease, is a peice of worthless scum like her, period) superficial and fake bitch who has snowed you all into buying her fake feel sorry for me pity me act. If you truly can’t see through Ms Aniston, then I feel so sorry for you all. She is the one who wrecked her own marriage. She at least bares 50% of the blame, being 50% of the marriage. So accept it and deal with it. Look deep inside you, cast aside the tabloids, your rose-colored glasses regarding butter-wouldn’t-melt-in-her-mouth pure-as-the-driven-snow Jen, cast aside the hate, judgments and vicious spite and look to be a better human being.

I’ve just stumbled across this site, and I find it so refreshing to find mature, intelligent posters and thsoe who aren’t just blindly adoring of Brangelina and their PR.

While I’m no fan of either, and welcome their demise if only so that JA can have the last laugh, I definitely do not want to see her back with that douche BP. I’ve seen it mentioned/speculated around here that JA might have had/has fertility issues, and I was wondering if there was ever any confirmation of this. I seem to recall a NE story regarding a supposed miscarriage she had while with Brad (around summer 2004), and have also heard speculation that she miscarried earlier in their marriage (2001). I wonder if there has ever been anything to support the idea that she and Brad had been successful conceiving at least once? If so, I find his whole treatment of her and the PR she has received since the divorce all the more hurtful, and unforgiveable.

I remember reading an interview of hers (1997, I think RS) long before she even hooked up with Brad where she stated she loved kids and wanted to be a young mother, not to mention the numerous statements she made once they were together about wanting a family. On Larry King in 2005 when asked whether she would ever consider being a single mother she said, “never say never,” but stated she didn’t think so as having a child was something she wanted to share with someone. I always felt that the truth behind the kids issue with them was that they tried and were not immediately successful, but then she put the brakes on the issue amid concerns BP was being unfaithful with AJ. She herself was a child of a broken home and I wonder if she did not want to bring a child into the picture until she knew where BP’s loyalties stood. We all know how that ended, and somehow she has been turned into the selfish woman who wouldn’t give BP babies as a result. Her reaction to the idea that BP and AJ might be expecting in the VF article was all the confirmation anyone should have needed to show that she had always wanted and expected to have kids with him.

I just wonder what people’s thoughts are on whether they did indeed have fertility issues during the marriage, because if this was a problem and BP’s solution was to take up with AJ and have a tribe, I just cannot fathom why JA would ever be able to look at him with anything but anger and resentment ever again, let alone actually conceive of getting back together with this class A douche.

@stinky-inky:
I 2nd that. He looks so old now. I remember him being with Jennifer he was so young and vibrant and goodlooking, his looks now have hit rock bottom. I hope Jen and Brad do find each other down the track somewhere and he will look youngewr.

@adtwah:
I have heard of that saying. But apparently Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton hadn’t

When Pitt dumped old Jennifer, he did her career wonders. She was a washed up situation comedy “star” with no where to go but down. Suddenly, she’s on the cover of all magazines. She should shake Jolie and Pitt’s hands.
On a personal note, good luck with all that fantasy, Mz. Aniston! He was bored to tears by you and fell under the spell of the seductive and exotic androgynous Jolie because she filled the need you never did…she had the whole package – intrigue, mystery, sexuality, an adorable kid with the promise of having more, which is what he wanted. And she’s a spokesperson for the U.N. and does charitable works and runs with an extremely sophisticated crows of world leaders. And this dish went for the little surfer dude, Pitt!
If that “don’t beat all!”………….How blessed he must feel. No, Jennifer. You are just a little tomboy with a potty mouth and firm abs who never really held much itnerest to the dashing Mr. Pitt. He has outgrown you, dahling. Move on…
I hear McDonald’s is hiring!

hay no dah she wants him back i ama big fan of friends and she looked like she loved ross but that is acting this is the real live thing and it showes she dosnt care what people think because she is still in love i have had my ups and downs but jeniffer go for it go after him f everyone that gets in the way

hay no dah she wants him back i ama big fan of friends and she looked like she loved ross but that is acting this is the real live thing and it showes she dosnt care what people think because she is still in love i have had my ups and downs but jeniffer go for it go after him forget everyone that gets in the way just tell them to move aside u got a man to go after

hay no dah she wants him back i ama big fan of friends and she looked like she loved ross but that is acting this is the real live thing and it showes she dosnt care what people think because she is still in love i have had my ups and downs but jeniffer go for it go after him forget everyone that gets in the way just tell them to move aside i got a man to go after

i want to see them get back together angelina is a dirty dog

MOVE ON, BITCH

Maggie is a dirty,jealous dog

@stinky-inky:
If she does all that and he hooks up with another bimbo, Jen would STILL be a saint. Hardly a door mat.

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