IUC Exclusive: Did Brad Pitt Have Emotional Breakdown?

Posted on March 26th, 2009 by HisHighness in 1, IUC:Entertainment, IUC:Exclusive

Somehow, Brad Pitt became increasingly scornful of the way Angelina Jolie was handling their household – this according to a source close to camp Brangie. “He never really acclimatized himself to Angie’s lifestyle,” the source said. “Last month he completely lost it and broke down. I really think it’s time for him to get out before he loses his mind. He has spent considerable time away recently which means they’re starting to live separate lives.” Developing…

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Outsider said on March 26th, 2009 at 7:44 am

Come on Brad, grow a spine and GTFO.
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Canuck said on March 26th, 2009 at 8:02 am

@Outsider:
and don’t forget to take the kids with you. Those poor little buggers don’t even know where home is, because they’ve never spent more than about 6 months in the same place.
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 8:17 am

@Canuck:
I believe with the Brad/Angie split the media, who has been for the most part very kind to Angelina, will look back on some of the things she’s said and done and will question her capabilities as a mother. Brad better get the kids or try for custody, for the sake of the kids and for his rep. While he will still need to work, he can ensure they have a stable, private life (possibly grandparents involved in care) in one home base. Those kids who never asked to be put in that situation deserve it.
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Susanna said on March 26th, 2009 at 8:19 am

Wow, hope it’s not true…but thankfully he has a strong family to lean on. They all seem close, so they will be there for him. I have seen it happen before…a child hooks up or marries a person that no one in the family approves of, the child is more distant for a few years…then the relationship runs its course and the family is there to help and love, just like always.

I always felt like one day, Brad was enamoured with the facade that Angelina put forth for him…this lifestyle of the gypsy, a dash of bohemianism, the free “wild child” spirit…add to that Angelina’s newly concocted image as saviour of the world and humanitarian, and it was enough to charm Brad into thinking it was a new and exciting life that he wanted to live. The thing is this…in every relationship, people put their “best foot forward” in the beginning. We all act nicer, better, sweeter than we really are. Then the real “you” comes out, and in this case, the real Angelina was a whole lot to swallow. She’s just emotionally damaged and she will never lead a “normal” life. To think that she could do a 180 from her old days was wishful thinking. As he said at the beginning, “Angelina is a decent human, I’ve never met anyone who was so misunderstood..people’s perception of her is not who she really is.” Now he is finding out that people’s perception of her is EXACTLY who she is. He was just fooled.

Another thing I think is interesting about this all, is that one day Brad woke up and decided that “Angelina’s way of life” was so much better than the one he was living. Angelina, with all her new humanitarian leanings, convinced him that his life with Jen & the Hollywood way of life was meaningless. She def put it out there that eating out at Tex Mex, getting tan, working out, enjoying vacations and margaritas (as Jen Brad used to do) was a shallow existence and that her way of “living” was so much better. It was so “uppity” of her to imply that and Brad fell right into the web. I mean, people have to keep living their lives…they need to vacation, eat and drink…why was that so bad? No one can do charity work 24/7…it’s not a healthy balance.
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 8:35 am

Also I don’t doubt that Brad broke down. He naively signed up for more than he bargained. In those short years all those kids, the constant travel, working, MIR, Angie’s behavior and temperament, the media intrusion (although they contributed to that), etc. put the family in a constant state of flux. How do you get a grip on anything when it’s constantly changing?
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Bitsey Smithson said on March 26th, 2009 at 8:36 am

How about Kimmy’s interview part 2, Ian? Running short of inspiration? T, t, t.
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Lizzieb said on March 26th, 2009 at 8:41 am

In order to have an emotional breakdown he would surely need to have emotions in the first place. I think he is a shallow, vapid man who most likely has fallen in that life with Skanky is not the bowl of cherries he hoped for and now wants to get out and still look the good guy. Good luck with that you twat.
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Lizzieb said on March 26th, 2009 at 8:42 am

ps Hi Keane from dlisted!
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 8:52 am

@Susanna:
I agree Brad was enamoured with what he thought Angelina offered as opposed to what he had with Jen. Thing is if he was so inclined to give his life some meaning and was interested in pursuing humanitarian deeds, he could have easily done that while he was with Jen. Makes me question how bright Brad actually is. But he’s made his bed and it will be interesting to see how this whole mess unfolds.
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Guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 9:02 am

@Billi:
And it’s not like Jen didn’t do anything for charity. She’s with St. Jude’s Children’s Hospital (a huge f*cking deal) and gay rights, amongst others. She didn’t just sit around on the couch smoking pot like Brad pretended. Jen’s doing things that affect their homebase (U.S.), as far as charities go. And she loves animals in a different way than AJ. Just ’cause Jen didn’t jetset around the world picking up babies doesn’t mean that what she did was insignificant. So boo hoo for you Brad. Break down all you want Brad ’cause you had it coming.
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Canuck said on March 26th, 2009 at 9:11 am

@Billi:
I think he was just in the grip of a very typical mid-life crisis. Thought Angie and her lifestyle were exciting, young, different and would make him feel 20 again. And it probably did for a couple of years. Then the fairy dust wore off and he realized that what looked exciting and different and young was in fact chaos. And that it was no more exciting after 2 years than any other relationship is after 2 years, only this time there were kids involved and that upped the stakes. This is the classic example of the mistress who should have remained just that.

Ironically, given the focus on “the kids”, “our children”, “our family” I suspect that if there hadn’t been kids involved, the whole gypsy lifestyle thing might have remained exciting for longer than it did, but the constant upheaval on the kids and their emotional well-being probably became an issue at some point. Brad’s childhood was probably one of those typical idyllic small town childhoods that involved building forts, playing cops and robbers, hide and seek, swimming in the creek during the summer with your gang of friends and all of that. The Jolie-Pitt kids almost certainly don’t have anything like that going on for them and never will if they don’t stop moving around all the time.
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Guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 9:11 am

Don’t remember which thread it was that you guys were contemplating the whole Fakey thing. Well, is there any doubt now? From today’s Ted C:

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/the_awful_truth/b106109_thatrsquos_why_angiersquos_skinny.html

That’s (<— in italics) Why Angie’s So Skinny

There’s such an obvious explanation to Angelina Jolie’s weight loss! According to The Sun, the über-thin gal is doing the Master Cleanse.

For any of you who don’t know what this is, it’s a crazyass diet where you basically drink only peppered lemonade. We’ve tried it and lasted mere hours. Angie’s goal? 21 pounds in 21 days. A totally healthy thing for a mom and “role model” to do right?

Yeah, right.

We talked to a friend of the A.T. who lives by this diet. We’re told it’s a rapid poundage fix that can be quite empowering with fab detoxifying affects, but it’s no walk in the park, folks.

The cleanse can have tons of exhausting and gross side effects. This is what supposedly has movie execs on Jolie’s new flick Salt so concerned. Ange is supposed to do her own stunts as a CIA officer in the Russian spy movie, but producers are worried this silly diet is going to make her too tired and fragile to kick any serious ass.

Um, hello? That’s the main concern? How about the fact that Angie is already way too boney as it is, babes—long before she started in on any of this diet crap. Seriously, this girl should be packing them on a bit to get back her pre-Brad bod.

The babe is withering away fast and clearly has some issues. She needs some help, and you know what, we honestly hope she gets it. ‘Cause it ain’t gonna come from lemonade.
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 9:18 am

@Guest:
Yes Brad has to take responsibility for the mess he got himself into. No 2 ways about it. The thing about Jen is she doesn’t seek the limelight for herself, unlike other celebrities, for her charitable work. Her ego doesn’t need to be massaged and I like that about her. Never could understand the reasoning behind all the haters that attack her.
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MMF said on March 26th, 2009 at 9:21 am

@Guest:
I saw that thread on Eonline today too! i guess ted is also trying to give us the hidden message…
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Jezzy said on March 26th, 2009 at 9:22 am

I thought the whole weight loss thing was just to cover up her heroin use?
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Keane said on March 26th, 2009 at 9:31 am

@ Guest – there certainly seems to be a change stirring within the media regarding their attitude to Brangelina at the moment. They have been frightened to criticize the couple for such a long time now and that has not just been due to their water-tight PR strategy and throwing lots of money at media outlets to keep them on side, its been because of the hysterical popularity (or so it has seems) of Brangelina within the general public. Journos have been afraid to criticize them for fear of alienating their audience, but the bubble of their popularity has burst somewhat of late with Angelina’s cuntish behaviour at all the awards do’s and I believe the sharks are beginning to circle around the couple. I can speak for the British press in saying that they like nothing more than building people up to tear them right back down again. And who have been filled with more hot air by the press than any other celebs in the history of celebdom? Brad and Ange of course. One thing that I know for sure is the moment she is no longer with him, the press will declare open season on her antics, she won’t have the protection of being part of the Golden couple to fall back on any more. I really am amazed it hasn’t happened before now, and I don’t think its just to do with how effective their PR is, its been to do with what has been perceived to be public sentiment. But this is really beginning to change, and the moment journos sense an opportunity for attack, they’ll go for it. You watch.
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Keane said on March 26th, 2009 at 9:32 am

@ Jezzy – thats exactly what it is of course, to explain why she’s so thin. They have to put something out there and most of the general public is gullible enough to believe it.
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Keane said on March 26th, 2009 at 9:35 am

@ Billii – they just attack Jen cos she shows their idol up. She’s not a famewhore, doesn’t exploit members of her family for attention, doesn’t try to sell herself as Mother Theresa. She’s a nice woman who other women like and who has female friends. What friends does AJ ever seem to have had? Her family, men she’s fucked, women she’s fucked. She seems incapable of having friendships with people that do not involve sex. She’s completely fucked up, and juvenile.
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 9:57 am

So he lost it last month because be did not like the way she was running the house ?ah ahem let’s see would that not be the Friday night before the Oscars, the one he was out drinking Vodka and sulking after he brought Bunny to Angie to duck and piss and shit with while pole dancing, all the while someone coughing, and the fucking boots on the door are banging away until there is no more Brange and Bungie is born, must be the same night he got that black eye… So this source thinks he needs to get out and that since he has not been around much they are living seperate lives? I am guessing this is not the same person who said that he is gaga over a sophiticated lady and that they have definitely parted ways then because this one sounds like he has not actually left yet, just that he is not home much. mental breakdown or just can not take the sexual deviant behavior anymore? So is he seeing someone else or not, is he living at the Waldorf with Angie and James? And what does he have to be careful about? It does not sound like he has made a decision to leave yet and take the kids from this source really. At this point it would not surprise me to see them stay together . Sounds like he is just taking a little break. Jmo
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:08 am

@Keane:

She’s messed up but what’s her cracking point? The point where she could be physically harmful to the kids she supposedly adores. She’s Fake the drug addict with 6 kids and her relationship with Brad is over. How is she going to cope with the stress when she has very few people close to her for support?
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:22 am

LOL doesn’t this story , these comments sound like something George Clooney would say? Haha I can so picture those words coming out of his mouth
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Keane said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:25 am

@ Lizzieb – Hey Lizzieb, hope you’re well!x

@ Kate – hm, it all seems very up in the air at the moment doesn’t it. I have to say that in my experience, relationships that last years are not done and dusted in a matter of months or weeks, especially when there are kids involved. They can drag on and off for ages until one of the couple finally makes up their mind that its over and they want to leave for good. Who knows, maybe Brad will give her an ultimatum to either seek help or the relationship is over. And if she plays ball maybe he will. I mean their relationship from the sounds of things is totally fucked anyway with both of them cheating on the other, violence maybe and God knows what. God knows what there is left for them to want to go back to, other than the shared bond of the kids. I don’t know, I get the impression that neither of them really want to be together any more, maybe its just the press and the kids that’s holding it together. Whatever it is I don’t envy either of them, they must both be fucking miserable in that mess.
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Jezzy said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:27 am

its a mess of their own making, so their f***ing welcome to it.
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GW said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:31 am

They need Dr. Phil in their lives .
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:32 am

I believe Octo-mom would recommend Dr. Phil. Well, maybe not.
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g said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:37 am

@Billi:
Yes, and Jen seemed pretty supportive of him and what he wanted to do.

Back in 2005, Bona said “Brad and Jennifer [Aniston] a year ago put together a dinner for 20 great actors and asked me to speak. Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts and Cameron Diaz were all there, and they have all followed through.

And she went to Africa with him in late 2004 per this article.
Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston have spent four days in Ethiopia learning more about AIDS for a charity project. The Hollywood couple visited the African country with U2 star Bono’s Washington-based lobby group DATA, which also campaigns for fair trade and the cancellation of third world debt. DATA spokesman Jamie Drummond said: ‘It was a listening and learning visit.’ Brad and Jennifer also met with Ethiopian singers, who generate funds for local HIV and AIDS projects through their songs, which also help educate local people about the deadly disease.
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Guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:45 am

@g:
And there you have it! Brad you’re a piece of shit that only lets himself get led by his penis. Whatever misery you’re enduring now is well deserved.

Jen, keep smiling bright. And who cares how much you pay to get your hair done… you’re worth it. That’s the best revenge ever.
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g said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:47 am

Just found this and thought it interesting from Sep 2007 (not long ago). Just a reminder that BP is almost as much of schmuck as AJ is.

In Brad Pitt’s recent interview in Details magazine, the 43-year old actor reveals some inconvenient truths about Angie and that other chick he was with, what was her name? Jennifer Lopez? Jennifer Garner? No that’s not it, but whatever, who cares. Brad sure as hell doesn’t.
Brad offered some insight to where his mind was at when it ultimately succumbed to the wily ways of the vixen Jolie:

“I carried the standard cynicism. But it was also feeling like, I can’t sit on my couch anymore, I’m going crazy. This thing I’m doing with my life, it’s very nice. But it’s not doing it for me. (Trying to help the world is) something that brought Angie and I together certainly – she’s absolute evidence for me of someone facilitating changes for the better.”

Angie is also evidence that magical vaginas DO exist and aren’t some kind of fairy tales you read about in the back of a Penthouse.

So what ABOUT that other chick he was married to whom he unceremoniously dumped for his new unicorn of all poontang?

“Jen and I still maintain a deep friendship and have a lot of life together that isn’t erased in any way. I don’t know how better to have handled it…My view was, this is no one’s business in the end – at least in matters of the heart. So you need to protect all involved as much as possible…
I don’t know if that cooled things off or exacerbated them, but it was a thing I felt justly about at the time…
…Again, the thing guiding me then was you don’t know how many days you have and you need life to be everything you want it to be.”

If you read those two varied quotes, much can be gleaned from them. First off, he compares his life prior to Angie as one of sitting around on the couch languishing in a world of non-importance. It wasn’t enough to just sit back, smoke a spleef, hang with your homies and bang your hot actress wife, Brad wanted to save the world, one brown orphan at a time. Jennifer was clearly too pedestrian for Brad and his philanthropic needs. Surely it had nothing to do with Angelina Jolie putting some kind of voodoo hex on him with her ethereal hooha while brainwashing him with her smoke and mirror “Mother Theresa” routine.

Obviously, Brad feels guilty about dumping Jennifer Aniston, but not guilty enough to keep from comparing his old life, as some kind of never-ending pretentious dinner party– to his new life — as some kind ennobled journey of transcendent awakening. Honestly, if I were Jennifer, I’d prefer to think it was the call of the Angelina’s wild nethers, rather than some kind of spiritual deficiency on my part.

That’s really pretty insulting when you think about it. While we can never be sure, I’d be willing to bet that if Brad had gone to Jennifer and told her about his desire to change the world she would have stepped up to the plate with him, but clearly, he was already too ensconced into Angie’s world (and her vajayjay!)

http://glosslip.com/2007/09/05/brad-pitt-offers-faint-praise-for-ex-wife-jennifer-aniston/
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Guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:48 am

@Guest:

I will fricking faint if Ted C has another Fakey blind tomorrow. That will be the whipped cream on the ice cream. The cherry on top will come later.
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:51 am

@g:
Thanks I didn’t know they went together to Africa. So their relationship wasn’t all sun and fun.

The report above re Brad’s emotional breakdown while reported by Ian does sound close to what SR implied just previous to this report, imo. Whether their split is imminent or in the near future, it’s inevitable. Ted C has been predicting same for quite some time. Still remains fodder for gossip as to how the heck they are going to handle the kids. And it doesn’t change the fact that Angie has (if you believe Ted C) a serious drug addiction, has abherant behavior (if you believe SR) beyond her promiscuous lifestyle. The Washington connected lady reported earlier on this site may only be someone Brad greatly admires, not necessarily someone he is involved with.
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:57 am

@Guest:

Wouldn’t that be a hoot! You have my congrats in advance for predicting it if he does.
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 11:04 am

@Guest:

That whole $40,000/month for hair, blah blah blah. It made her look selfish but did the same article report on how much other actresses spend doing that and other things to keep themselves attractive?
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Canuck said on March 26th, 2009 at 11:05 am

Maybe this “friend” is trying to nudge Brad in the right direction, aka the door… Clooney or Aniston? lol
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Kris said on March 26th, 2009 at 11:06 am

I wonder if Brad has demanded that Angelina cease piloting her Cirrus SR-22 (at least not with any children on board)? I haven’t seen many pics of her flying with her kids as of late.
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Susanna said on March 26th, 2009 at 11:07 am

G, good work! Thanks for posting the article. I think you are right on about BP. He just created a reason to leave his marriage for AJ. In his mind, he felt less guilty about divorcing if it was to pursue a “higher calling.” Too bad it all turned out to be smoke and mirrors. I’ll bet he feels like a fool.
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g said on March 26th, 2009 at 11:10 am

With everything I’ve been reading over the last few weeks (if the him being gaga over someone else is true) I’m thinking Brad is ready to make a move and will “make it happen”. He’s ready to move on to the next relationship. That seems to be his modus operandi. However, what’s different this time is the kids. Who would want to walk into that mess of having a relationship with him and a bat-shit crazy mother of his children? Please, please, please tell me Jennifer is not crazy enough to get dragged into this by him. I really hope the sophisticated lady is someone other than Jennifer. (Remember Mayer called her sophisticated in his breakup rant last summer and she does have connections to Washington, sort of, through Oprah)
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 11:25 am

@g:

I don’t see it looking good for him, PR-wise, if he’s got another lady when he splits from Angie. The only way he could get around that is if the lady is Jen or someone the public likes and admires. People would eat that up and support him for the most part. But I hope it’s not Jen as well.
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Jezzy said on March 26th, 2009 at 11:53 am

A tell-tale sign, that things between them are strained/over, the over the top gift giving has stopped.
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Moon said on March 26th, 2009 at 11:53 am

Brad Pitt is just a dumb-ass male who is led my that small flap of skins in his underpants. He has got where he is due to his so-called good looks (i’ve never seen them personally) he looks like a half-wit. He is not intellegent, hence why he uses is genitals to get him around life, just look at where Ange has manipulated him to ….. if they are splitting Ange will eat him alive…. he should be OK though, his mom and dad will be there to hold his hand. I dont like Angelina, she is obviously unstable, but why should Brad be so innocent, it take two in a relationship, if he cared for Jen they would have fooled everyone properly and waiting until Mr & Mrs Smith was well and truly over. Sorry to rant, but he annoys me more than her.
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

@Kate:

[At this point it would not surprise me to see them stay together . Sounds like he is just taking a little break. Jmo]

Yeah it doesn’t sound like they’ve parted ways as the other source suggested.
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

@Keane:
Whatever it is I don’t envy either of them, they must both be fucking miserable in that mess.

I totally agree, but I think he is basically weak, or he would not still be there. From all that we have heard, “for the sake of the kids” he should have left long ago, not stayed because of the shared bond. jmo she is damaged and she will damage them emotionally if she raises them jmo I think this has been break up for years and it started with the pitbull story, Brad woke up at that point knowing he fucked up but he had Shiloh, her mother was dying and then she added Pax. We saw them come to almost this point in mid 2007, then she got pregnant with the twins that just delayed it, then he hung around for what, the Oscar campaign, now that should tell you where his priorties are. because if they had not been nominated, this would probably have been wrapped up. Really sickening when done at the expense of the children. It is hard for me to feel too sorry for him.
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Canuck said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

@Kate:
Sad to say, but maybe he was thinking “what’s another few months with the nannies anyways”? If he does get custody and he’s smart, he’ll probably keep the same crew on if they are competent so that the kids have some continuity. That might be the only sort they have up until now.
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

@g:
Dawn wrote that, she was a guest on a couple of Ian’s chats, she feels the same way we do about Angelina. lol and is one of the few that will say so, she called her smart, smart like evil Hitler smart. ha ha
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

@Kate:

What comments specifically, LOL, sound like something George Clooney would say?
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

@g:
Does Jen have any political ties to Washington?
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

@Keane:
Yeah even Casablanca who used to go after Aniston mercilessly, and can still be less than kind, seems to have turned. In truth Brad is still saying his previous life was stagnant and unimportant.

As to Brad being hampered attracting le femme bc of the screaming mob. HA! I say. My issue has always been, he never really wanted to care from them with any consistency or responsibility. Ever…. thus the shit-pie in face (or gong) animation, anytime these two peddle their 3 ft short-limbed-wares publicly as reminders of their exemplary parenting. Which in truth only demonstrates the opposite.

No, Brad will continue the grand tradition of loving a child one nanny at a time. Or two depending…
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

@p:
That is what makes this for many hard to believe, because the sources for those who can not connect the dots like we can, (I can see what it relates to) will think that it is all just bull shit. one day that are definitely parted ways, the next he should get out, his parents tell him we will support you no matter what you do, it has gone back and forth for a month now. It started with them not being together anymore, yet no one is sure, at this point someone should have an idea if they are or are not. One source says they are parted ways, done,actually I think more than one source has told Ian that, and then a couple of late reports make it sound other wise. Seeing someone behind her back suggests they are not done, otherwise it would not be behind her back. If they have a open relationship the same. The only reason this bothers me, is because I know how it is being received outside of this blog. Because we are loyal to Ian we want him to have this breaking story and I don’t want snotty Lainey or anyone else to make it sound like it is all hot air. That is evil yes, I want her to have a nice strong slap down on this,ha ha, I bet Dawn does too.
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

@Billi:
The comments Ian quoted at the talk, just sounds like he talks to me. lol
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

sorry meant top, someone distracted me…
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

@p:
You know, I think he would be a different father in a more traditonal setting. He just has too many kids. When it was just Mad and Zahara, they both seemed like better parents. They both seemed happy, and they looked good. Even when it was just Shiloh added, but when #4 came along the trouble started and the rest, it was just too much for them. I don’t think he will try to all six kids, I don’t see him wanting all six kids to be responsible for. I doubt his parents want to help with all six. I would not be surprised if they make some sort of deal, she gets Mad and Zahara and Viv, and he gets Shiloh, Knox, and Pax. She doesn’t seem to like Pax much , him either, but his parents are good with him.
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

@Billi:
Funny, you know, I think the majority of the public would love it to be Jen, it would be the classic love story
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

@Kate:
Yeah it’s a lot to let go of. Brad liked the image of it, no doubt. I’ve seen marriages that were never good to begin with, and ones where relationships had long run their course course but unless one party meets someone else that knocks them off their feet, they can linger, changing their minds every other day.

Have you read the “mom and pop” thread recently? I believed what Ian’s sources tell him bc what he’s describing is consistent w how she seemed from the first. And Jolie has always appeared to have similar syndromes to a number of very troubled women I’ve known. Other people have had similar experiences, there’s an interesting discussion about it.
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Canuck said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

@Kate:
Count me in on that one. But more out of the desire to see AJ get her comeuppance.
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DebFrmHell said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

I believe he doesn’t stand a chance getting custody of the adopted children but he may go to bat for the bios. He put himself in a steaming bowl of caca. He wanted excitement. Well, just to extracate himself is going to be plenty exciting!
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Guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

@Kate:
It would be a classic love story for the public, but for them maybe not. Things would be soooo different between Jen and Brad if a reconciliation ever happened. The trust issues, the resentment, etc. Imagine him going to pick up the kids for his visitation day and Jen worrying that AJ will try to get in his pants. I couldn’t live like that. I hope Jen is smarter than that.
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DebFrmHell said on March 26th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

@Guest:
I wish he would come running back to her only to hear her say that they will always be friends.
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g said on March 26th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

@Susanna:
Susanna, re-reading your great post. You really summed it up nicely. “Now he is finding out that people’s perception of her is EXACTLY who she is. He was just fooled.” Just want to add that he’ll never admit he was fooled, too much of a narcissist, IMO. He’ll find some other excuse to blame it on. In his head, he’s trying to justify leaving her, hence the comment “it may be that he never acclimatized himself to her lifestyle”. However that is not really a strong enough reason to split from a PR standpoint, especially since he blabbed about it so positively in the last 4 years. Better justification is AJ being on Heroin and him having to get the kids away from that. So is the leaking out of her Heroin addiction planned so it is picked up by mainstream media. (Is this why Ian is getting this info, because he’s more reputable than a gossip site and more likely to be picked up by mainstream media?). A heroin addiction is one of the few excuses the public would accept for him leaving her and taking full custody of the kids. He not only comes out smelling like roses but he’s saved all these kids from her. A legend in his own mind.
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

@Kate:
[You know, I think he would be a different father in a more traditonal setting. He just has too many kids. When it was just Mad and Zahara, they both seemed like better parents.]

I respectfully disagree. There were way too many photo ops even then and crap behavior. In fact the later actually lead me to follow the story. When the little girl had not been out of critical care for even three months (I think it was less) they were off cavorting at some spa for a long weekend. Most people I know wouldn’t want to be apart from a very young, vulnerable infant, for that long. In fact it’s the irresponsible behavior with the first two, that shed light on the confounding rapid additions that followed. They just don’t care that much. If Brad didn’t see that back then, I have some serious doubt he’ll be much different on his own.
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

IAN, CAN’T YOU SHUT THIS BITCH UP, THIS IS LAINEY TODAY-JUST PART OF IT—-(gag, the kids Jolie has are being emotionally abused and she is pimping for more?)

Apparently Madge has her sights set on a little girl. No doubt, cheap as she supposedly is, Madonna certainly has the financial means to provide for a fourth child… but what about her insatiable need for MORE?

More albums, more touring, more money, more kids…

This woman is an enterprise. And she never stops. But she is also competitive. The Jolie has adopted 3 children. If Madonna’s current attempt is successful, she’ll only be one back. The race is on!
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

@p:
Well to be fair, we do not know how sick she was, or if she was just fine. I just mean, from the baby shower photos, the shots of them as a couple, they seemed more normal.

As to them going back and forth on the break up, I don’t think that is what is happening. I think they are done, just as Ian has said. I do think he has various sources that each have a different perspective that make it look that way though. Ian has been pretty clear that it is over, they have parted, and Brad is involved with someone else. I think the conversation with Mom and Dad was just basically about custody. They know she is ruthless, she is violent, not sweet like Jen, that he could lose all of the kids, that he could be ruined in the process, so they are concerned. What parent would not be? I do not think they are saying, “If you decide to stay we will support you” does not sound that way to me. I think it was Cannuck or Surreal that made the point that his mom and dad were talking about AJ in past tense, we “supported” and I agree. They are telling him, tread carefully. When Ian wrote that he said a few days ago, and Brad has said before he talks to his mom on Sundays. It makes sense to me he was telling them he was going forward with the custody, then we get the “rail against God” report.

As of right now, that is how I interpret this, that he let his family know, get ready for the onslaught, I m going for full custody, and the shit is going to hit. Then he did, he went and made a filing and the other one is pissed off and going against it.Before SR said the papers were out on the floor of the bedroom for litigation. In chat I asked Ian if that was for child custody and he said ,yes , they each had their own top notch attorney, and those papers were getting things ready in case it came to that. Now that was back in February. He said Brad intended to be nice to her about it but he had enough on her to take the kids, that his parents would prefer Jen raise them over Jolie, and that they would help him. Now it would seem with the arbitrary comment that he has filed for custody, and that filing has been accepted, and she is pissed off and going to go after him full force, cause she can not go after a Judge or the fact he filed for custody, right? All she can do is fight him..

That is how it seems to me right now, until we get more updates anyway.Hell if she threw him down stairs and SR said she is capable of killing her mate no wonder his family is worried. I wonder if he has video cameras set up around his homes recording all this stuff. lol
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

Kind of fitting that Mr and Mrs Smith poster, “the lie becomes the truth” and here she is damn near trying to kill him ha ha
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Canuck said on March 26th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

I miss the chats because whatever program it is crashed my browser.
Anyone notice that Jen is also dribbling stories into the press?
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Keane said on March 26th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

@ Kate – yeah I think your assessment is pretty correct about all that. I didn’t know the bit about the litigation papers definitely being about custody for the kids. And yes I think the railing against God and arbitrary thing refer to a decision or choice made with regard to custody. I had a brief glance in the UK’s Now magazine today which had a story about them and it said stuff about them sleeping in different bedrooms, but they made it sound like it was only a temporary arrangement as Ange wanted her space. It also said something quite negative about her – that Brad regards her actions as “selfish” – which is a word I’ve never heard used to describe her before. Its always saintly Ange, selfless mother of 6, adopter of orphans and humanitarian on a mission to save the world. This is what I mean about a) first of all, the slow drip-feed of stories which prepare the ground for an eventual split announcement and b) the tide slowly turning against her in terms of public opinion. People are starting to critiicze her and will begin to do so I think gradally more and more. And soon it will be open season on her. She’s got away with murder for so long because she has been protected by all the elements of brand Brange that have kept them popular: the glamour, the kids, the humanitarian work. When she doesn’t have these things to hide behind any more she will be very exposed. And I predict people will tear her apart.

I was also thinking about her family last night, and from the sounds of it I think her ma and brother are as batshit crazy as she is. I think that probably the most normal one out of the lot of them is actually Jon Voight, and I think that that’s why she hates him. Her principles and morals are so totally skewed that her concept of right and wrong is off. She’s fed the world the line that her ma was a saint and he was a devil but I think that that is far from the truth. And its highly possible that her mother poisoned her mind against him the way AJ may well end up doing to her own children against their father.
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mandy said on March 26th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

Dear Ted:
Here in Alaska, the land of volcanic eruptions, I’m curious as to what you think of IUC’s report on the Brangelina breakup. If even a small fraction of what folks are saying on that site is true, I can only pray those poor kids are being properly cared for.
—Hanlondehner

Dear Soon Before Long:
I’m not sure if I’m buying the specifics here, but the split is inevitable. I just think it’ll be the other way around.
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

@Kate:

I certainly hope you’re your right and that there isn’t too much shit on him to make him back down. Like I said they usually assign primary caretaker to the mother, so there has to be a mother-lode of shit on her for the judgment too fall on his side of the net. Then again, that’s what high priced lawyers are for. I fail to see how being nice will help tho if she wants a fight.
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DebFrmHell said on March 26th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

The real custody battle will be over the Washington PR guy (Trent—?) He has made them teflon as a team.
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

@mandy:
I liked to know why Casablanca says that. Is it bc what a “source” told him, or bc he’s bought into the myth of the uber-sexualised vixens who are always “in control?” I fully admit I’m biased bc of similar situations I’ve seen, and based on that, “the sex-crazed, manic-on-the-move woman in control” is just a shiny-facade. If it acts crazy, it usually is. It gets ugly fast, and it doesn’t take long for the partner to see it.
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topbrit said on March 26th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

@ Kate – have you got a link to the’baby shower photos Kate,i know it’s past but i don’t believe i’ve seen them,and i like your interpretation of everything so far and agree wholeheartedly
@ et al – loving all posts
@ DebFrmHell – like your avator,that is one ugly cat,is it a cat?
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DebFrmHell said on March 26th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

@topbrit:
It is a sphinx kitty. They are like sharpeis to me. So ugly it is cute. LOL.
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Keane said on March 26th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

@ mandy – hm interesting – I wonder what the “specifics” are that Ted isn’t buying… What specifics do we definitely know? All we seem to know right now is that one source says they’ve split, another says they’re increaingly leading separate lives and that Brad’s parents are warning him to be very careful. We don’t really have any specifics do we as far as I know? I think that’s what we’re waiting for! In other news, do you think Ian is ever going to tell us who that bi-racial couple is? He seems to have forgotten all about that one!
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MMF said on March 26th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

This JUST posted by TC on his Bitch Back:

Dear Ted:
Here in Alaska, the land of volcanic eruptions, I’m curious as to what you think of IUC’s report on the Brangelina breakup. If even a small fraction of what folks are saying on that site is true, I can only pray those poor kids are being properly cared for.
—Hanlondehner

Dear Soon Before Long:
I’m not sure if I’m buying the specifics here, but the split is inevitable. I just think it’ll be the other way around.

hmmmm… so ted isn’t buying all that’s being said on this site?
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MMF said on March 26th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

and i wonder what he means by “the other way around?”
is he saying ange is calling the shots?
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

@Keane:
The specifics may refer to who’s initiating the break.
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

Is Ted saying it will be Angie instigating the split not Brad?
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topbrit said on March 26th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

i believe there is no going back from this,if pitt hasn’t quite left yet and is undecided on leaving the heroin addicted depraved bitch,then it has to be ian and sr that bring them down,they cannot be allowed to continue with their depravity and craziness whilst faking the super couple image,not with everything that we all know.i despise pitt but i will despise him a little less if he gets himself and the kids outta there,only a little less though
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MMF said on March 26th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

see that’s how i took it
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topbrit said on March 26th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

omg if it is her instigating the split that means that ball-less bastard is not even man enough to leave that asylum,what a prick!
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

I wonder which sources are more reliable, Ian’s or Ted’s.
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

@topbrit:
Thing is Ian and SR are smoking him out in ways that implicate Pitt as well. Especially with re to his sexuality, something Pitt himself would try to keep under wraps, if true, not to mention paying both genders for sex. You see where the dirty part comes in.

OT for those who think JA is essentially a decent person, ain’t ya glad she got out?
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

Yes when all is said and done with this relationship, Jen can pat herself on the back and say thank G it’s not me.
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g said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

@Billi:
And thank G she didn’t have any kids with him who would be mixed up in this mess.
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topbrit said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

@ p – and i am so glad they are,why the hell should he get away with everything.i am kinda wondering they would still smoke him out even if the ass had a change of heart like so many times before.and i agree bout jen,the way he treated her and talked about their time together when he go dicknotised by jolie was disgusting,she has remained so gracious all the way,luv her,and i bet she knows loads about that mentally unstable whore,more than ian and sr lol
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Keane said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

Hm well Ted C and Ian do seem to disagree on things. Ian for example does not think Ange is on heroin. But looking at how extremely thin she is and considering she’s been on it before and people often return to it in times of trouble (its described as feeling like being given a warm hug from your mother) and her mother died not so long ago, it wouldn’t surprise me. There has to be a reason she’s that thin, and its either illness, drug addiction or anorexia. Who knows which it is. And in terms of whether Ian’s facts are right or not, well things do seem to be filtering through to the mainstream media which seems to back it up. Plus the very noticeable lack of pap shots together, James Haven being back on the scene and on set with Ange. What is happening in public seems to back up what we’re being told by Ian. They looked like they’d rather be anywhere than together at all the awards do’s, Brit journos were all talking about whether they were together or not when they came here for the BAFTAs, they’ve only been whoring the kids out separately, she looks miserable and depressed in recent shots apart from the very deliberate smileyness on set. Her looking for a place in NY on her own. It all kind of backs up what we’re hearing, but I do think Ted knows what he’s talking about too.
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topbrit said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

@ p – that should of read ‘got dicknotised’
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Guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

@ mandy
I see what Ted is doing here. He is bringing traffic over here and letting them make up their own mind. Very crafty, Ted. Pandora’s Box.
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

@Billi:
I don’t put much into Ted’s sources, he also said Brad would never marry Jen. One week he says Brad will go back to Jen when this is over,the next he will say not a chance. One week he says Brad is straight as they come,the next he says bi. He believes that Brad is a love sick puppy and that Jolie is going to kick him to the curb and he will not see it coming. There are other people that know them, that say Brad is the one that controls the relationship, he is the controlling one, he is the one that pimps the kids, not Jolie.

Of course what it gets down to is who your sources are. Ted may also have a bit of sour grapes over the whole Toothy Tile thing. He is still trying to pass it off as unsolved over on E, for what reason? People still write in and guess someone that has nothing to do with it. I think he makes those up to keep the interest in it.

So is the battle of the wills, who will break the story first. yeah, that is how it looks doesn’t it. Ian has done nothing but praise Ted, so for Ted to say “I’m not sure if I’m buying the specifics here’, that is a freaking low blow imo towards a long term friend. Not a nice thing to do, because he knows that will cause people to doubt Ian’s credibility. Of course Ian does not believe Angelina is Fakey, but at the same time Ted has never come out and said she was..so not the same thing. I think was Ted did was intentional, and I would not be surprised if that post from Alaska was not our same one who professed to love gossip and wanted us all to be nice. jmo For that matter, some of the trolls could be Ted, Perez, and Lainey. Jealous.
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

@Billi:
Except that Ian said that Jen’s friends have told him that she wants him back, and she will do what ever it takes to get him back. Now that does not sound to me like she is glad she got out. Does it to you? He told me that not even a month ago.
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topbrit said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

i like ian and ted.c,think ted.c is better looking tho sorry ian lol,but i do believe jolie is on heroin like ted suggests and i believe she is fakey.other than that with these two great journos giving us info we are all winners yeh!
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

@Kate:
I will say, I do think Ted is the king of who is gay and who is not, I just do not think he has the inside scoop on Brangelina.
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Guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

@Kate:
I saw it as Ted not too sure about Ian’s sources being good. I don’t know that Ted is not happy with Ian or whatever the case may be. It didn’t sound like a personal attack to me. I guess I didn’t see it as a low blow.

Agree about the trolls, though.
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

@topbrit:
Oh I’m sure Aniston know swhat went down (that had to have been some of her awkwardness on stage at the Oscars heh). Yeah I’m no fan of pitt, never was. I predicted back when he talked about slowing down his schedule, that he wouldn’t. If you look at his history, he has ALWAYS been about making his mark. Like I said ..caviar bars, on stage w Schting and Bono, Vegas w Clooney, all places to be seen. Image and publicity, always. He simply changed style when he changed priorities, NOT priorities.

So yeah he’s getting what he deserves, my point though is it weakens his case and may effect how he pursues it, given his own dirt.
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

@g:

Yes thank G Jen didn’t have kids with him because she would have ended up raising them by herself anyway. How much time does he have for the six kids he has now, given that he continues to work and travel. But I’m sure what time he has with them is “quality” time.
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

That should have read …He simply changed style when he changed [PARTNERS], NOT priorities.
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

@topbrit:
I want to point out that at one point, Ted said the reason Jolie was not getting any help for her heroin habit is because Brad was milking it for PR, does that sound like someone smitten with his lady love? Not, to me, that was back in 2007 before she got pregnant. The fact that the tabloids were fawning over her because she was so skinny kept them in the news and he was all for that. Does that make sense, that was from one of his souces.
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

Angie’s probably Gaslighting him (that old movie)….and drivng him CrAzY!!!!

I’m kind of kidding, but wouldn’t put it past her. She sounds like she plays games (in a mean way).
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

@Billi:
Yep, that all would drive most half way sane people nuts.
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MMF said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

@Kate:
I thought the same thing about our “alaska” visitor we had on here a couple days ago!
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explain said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

@p:
OR using some immaculated good raising parent BO (lol!) own metaphor: he’s now sitting in his own “diarreha”!

I like the idea of being AJ the ONE who is initiating the break-up, lol! I TRUELY DO! It fits her much more…

Ok, on a serious note, I believe BP has a breakdown because AJ told him it was over, the nannies will stay FOR her AND the worst of all she’s gone get FULL CUSTODY of the TOYS! It wa too much for him, no more fun on the down low. so unfair.

Btw, where’s George Clooney?
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Guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

@Kate:
That is INSANE if true. That is truly fucking sick.
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

@Guest:
I will bet you that by the end of the day, that quote from Ted will be on almost ever site, with someone saying, -see, even Ted does not believe it…Ted knew by saying that the impact it would have. It was a slam, jmo. He did not need to add that, he could have just said, I don’t know, I have not talked to his sources. He basically said, the only thing he believes is that sooner or later they will split. Dirty.jmo lesson is -don’t piss off your bitchy gay friends.
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

@Kate:

It didn’t sound like a slight from Ted to Ian, imo. And I wasn’t aware that Ian said Jen wants Brad back under any circumstances (I’ve missed Ian’s broadcasts). If it comes to pass, I hope she’ll be happy but my guess is when the dust settles from this mess and given time, Brad would find an new reason to move one to someone new. And I can’t immagine who Fakey would be other Angie, since everyone has been guessed and notted. But I’ll give Angie credit if she is Fakey, she’s done well as a functioning addict to keep her addiction under wraps from mainstream public.
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

@Guest:
You know I he really believes what he says. Someone might wax about bored they are with this and that, and it all depends on interpretation. If you think about it, if you’ve go 6 kids, how can you be bored? Especially if you’ve got nannies and you’re not really home-bound, with only people under 6 to chat to. If you’re bored, it’s likely bc you have trouble putting attention on the things you need to. But some people might just interpret that as bored with Brad.
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

@Billi:
This is exactly what I was thinking…Jen quietly does her charity work, rather than look at me! I’m the best! etc. I have so much more respect for her. My son gathered $$ for St. Judes – that’s cool that Jen does work with them. It is a big deal.
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explain said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

@Kate:
Kate, why all the male gossipers are gay and… most of them despicable? Why the tfournity Lainey-Perez-Michael k(who is the one that shows to have more creativity)-EL? It seems all are the copy of each others…
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Keane said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

The reason I’m pretty sure the so-called “trolls” were either Ange, her friends or PR team was 1) their posts were very specifically trying to dissuade people from believing what was posted in any way they could think of, so they definitely had a strong, vested interest in this 2) none of them were remotely convincing in sounding like a genuine gossip blog poster, they all said the most ridiculous things that genuine posters would never say in a million years. Gossip bloggers would be more than familiar with the type of things that people say on these boards and could make up a convincing fake post very easily. ALl gossip bloggers know that people posting on these sites have an identity so they would make up a plausible sounding one. What we have had is Colleen saying “I’m merely a nobody who has mastered a few languages and uses the global village of the internet as her favourite playground” and SuzyQ who thought that people created multiple identities on the internet and the only rule was that you never say who you really are, which is absolute bullshit as people share their deepest secrets on these blogs in the knowledge that their annonymity is guaranteed. The people posting are people who haven’t got the first clue about participating in gossip blogs and what people do. It doesn’t even sound like her PR team to me who I’m sure would be a bit more clued-up, it sounds like someone really dim like her and her brother. You know the bit where Colleen said about Rhea that she “was immensely flattered and proud to be mistaken for this person Rhea” and for what reason was “her little secret”, well that sounds like the mutual worship and idiocy of her and her brother all over to me. The other thing was these posters specifically targetted me and Kate, because Kate was explaining SR’s posts and I keep backing up everything Ian says and I have the background/experience to make it sound more credible. That sounds to me like a person with a vested interest in keeping this stuff quiet, not just a disgruntled competitor of Ian’s. And if a rival wanted to post they could do it under their own name, why not, holymoly did (UK blogger). I’m sure they are jealous of the attention Ian is getting but to me the posters did not sound anything like another blogger to me. They were some really clueless idiots who just couldn’t get their story right, think of anything remotely convincing to say and just could not let it drop. If anything it sparked more interest in the site, not less, and I think if it was a blogger doing it, they would have realised that and decided it was a bad idea.
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

@p:
So right, P, with 6 kids, you might be harried, but not bored. Unless the nannies do everything. If so, why have kids?? Really. I guess for the Brange reputation….sad. sad. sad.
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Guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

@Kate:
I see what your point of view now. Thanks.
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

@explain:
I haven’t read the others…but Michael K hilariously rips them to shreads, imo.

I’ve been reading through…and love his…”get a new hat, Brad”…and then Brad takes off the hat to show an awful hairdo “Put the hat back on!”… that cracked me up.
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

Ooops shreds. Sorry.
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Guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

@explain:
I think Michael K is in a class by himself. I don’t think he’s really interested in getting the scoop and competing with the other bloggers. He just wants to make fun of celebrities. And he does it so well that the people he makes fun of read him. He’s having a blast and making a little money with advertising. But if I had his wit and way with words, I’d be blogging too.
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

I’m not sure if Susannah posted this one but here’s one of mine that Ted answered in Bitch Back. Kind of says a lot about Brad doesn’t it.

Dear Ted:
It’s been awhile since you gave us an update on Fake à la Ferocity’s “condition.” Has she finally kicked the drugs? Has her handsome partner been of any help to her in getting clean?

Dear Faking the Fight:
No.
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Guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

@Billi:
“Faking the Fight”– Ha! How appropriate.
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explain said on March 26th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

@Guest:
right, same impression here. Reading him make me ALWAYS drop many laughs! May be because I have the feeling he doesnt take himself too seriously, he seems unprententious to me. I really cant understand “things” like a pigperez or the lainey, they seems to make some roylaty of gossiping but they report NOTHING! they only repeat the insides of Michael K most of the time…

I have some way with words but not in english, lol, needless to write!
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

@Billi:
Ian did not say that in a chat, he said that in a reply on this board, in reference to Jen wanting Brad back at all costs, may have been longer than a month ago. I know some have missed some of what he has said so when I say things it seems out of context, but I am going by what I have heard Ian say for the last couple of months on here and in his chats. He did say, he did not think Brad would go back to Jen, that also was a back then, now as quickly as things seem to be changing, who knows if any of that is the same anymore. His last update on them was that they met 7 months ago, she forgave him,they are friends, they are in contact by cell phone, she does know what is going on in his life with this mess. That was the last I heard, which was at Oscar time.
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

@explain:
I was joking. lol
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

@Guest:
“Faking the Fight”– Ha! How appropriate. My point exactly, he does not give a shit.
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mandy said on March 26th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

@Billi:
Have to disagree. I will always believe that if Jen had kids with Brad they would still be together. jmo
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

@explain:

[OR using some immaculated good raising parent BO (lol!) own metaphor: he’s now sitting in his own “diarreha”!]

Laughed till my tushy was sore.

[Btw, where’s George Clooney?]

Happily sipping a cocktail w no one under 5′ in sight. Which is what these two jackasses should be doing.

@Z:

[Unless the nannies do everything. If so, why have kids?? ]

WHY indeed.
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

@Kate:

Thanks for the update on Ian’s updates.
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

@mandy:

It’s too bad we never got to find out if they did have kids, would Brad and Jen still be together. I def respect your opinion.
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Susanna said on March 26th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

Kate:

[His last update on them was that they met 7 months ago, she forgave him,they are friends, they are in contact by cell phone, she does know what is going on in his life with this mess. That was the last I heard, which was at Oscar time.]

Woah, that would explain the smile that Jen gave to Brad when she was up there presenting. Good point! Also, it would completely explain why Jen and Brad have both been so nice to each other in the press lately. Brad said “she’s a sweeheart.” And I always think that Jen has been easy on BP. Maybe it’s bc they ARE friends and they have been talking.

Lainey went to great, great pains to report on her site that Brad and Jen did not meet up at some film fetsival…Toronto? That must have been BS. Lately I feel about Lainey and Brangie L is, “she who doth protest too much.” She always has definitive answers about Brangelina, like absolutely not, they are solid..trust…he absolutely didn’t meet up with Jen. Lainey is so full of sh@t!
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

@Guest:
I completely agree here.
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 4:54 pm

@Billi:
Interesting! I hadn’t seen that.
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

@Susanna:
Which is why I choose to believe Ian, because what plays out before us, tends to be supported by what he has said. I think the smile was for that reason as well, and she has a certain amount of satisfaction knowing that he knows he screwed up.
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

@mandy:
will always believe that if Jen had kids with Brad they would still be together. jmo

I agree, people forget, and as Brad himself not all that long ago pointed out, he was with Jen longer than he has ever been with any one person, 7 1/2 years. He just hit that itch and Holie came along. Too bad. They probably could have weathered the storm in the long run with the support of his family.
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

@Kate:
LOL…yeah, I can see that. Notice how Brad isn’t allowed to have friends anymore. At least not GC, it seems.
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Alif said on March 26th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

Brad Pitt headed for an emotional breakdown? Doesn’t one have to be sensitive enough to have an “emotional breakdown”?
And, pardon me, wasn’t he said to be missing a “sensitivity chip”?

However, the above headline would definitely make the public sensitive to his “plight”, (poor, poor Braddy) should he decide to finally leave.

Jen recently took back John M, after he had dumped her, earlier.
Now she’s ready to take back the man who humiliated her in front of the whole planet? Where’s her sensitivity chip? I mean, regarding herself. Why doesn’t she sense that she’s a doormat for these guys?
Jen should look up the word, “masochist”!
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helen said on March 26th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

http://www.intouchweekly.com/content/cover/img_cover_large.jpg
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

@g:
Geez, he is an ass, isn’t he. And a selfish one, too.

Now, when was the last time Brange did anything to “help the world”. I think I saw a photo op a month or so ago (Angie’s face in People)…but have heard of nothing concrete they are doing recently. They are too ensconced in their chaos to help anyone…they aren’t even helping their own children. Ack! It makes me sick. What a bunch of BS!
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Guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

Has GC ever been a fan of AJ’s. I’ve always wondered if she didn’t come on to him and he turned her down so she her sights on BP. Hooking up with GC would have eclipsed BP and JA as the it couple instantly.
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Moody Blue said on March 26th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

@Keane:

I’m visiting this blog every now and then out of mere curiosity and bingo, here you are, still hammering into your poor fellows the same paranoid speech ad nauseam. But it’s getting tired since all your mischievous “trolls” seem to have given up the game at last. My bet is that you’ve utterly exhausted them. Hat’s off to you!

Now you should notice that the other posters are conspicuously ignoring your obsessive blabber. High time you changed your tune, don’t you think?

Moody “please don’t call me Angie” Blue, on his way back to his little yellow submarine
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Jezzy said on March 26th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

@Guest:
I never really thought of GC as a family man, so I don’t think the humanitarian mother image Jolie used on Pitt, would have had much allure to GC. I kinda get the impression he looks down his nose at her…but that may be just me.
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

@Z:
[Notice how Brad isn’t allowed to have friends anymore.]
I always thought being hooked up w AJ must be akin to being in a cult. Very limited flow w the outside world and a lot of secret bad behavior. That alone could drive someone to the brink…or to drink.

@Guest:
[Hooking up with GC would have eclipsed BP and JA as the it couple instantly.]
He was definitely more of a powerbroker but GC definitely does NOT want kids around and she already had one.
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Keane said on March 26th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

Just watching an old clip on youtube of AJ on Ellen DeGeneres around the time when she just had Maddox and was living in England with JLM. It was excatly the same as the way she is now. Ellen held up a big photo of Maddox, so she was obviously happy to exploit the kid even that far back. All the conversation was about teaching Maddox how to use the potty and pee pee and poo poo – she’s obviously been talking about it for a while now! She is also deathly thin, even that far back, totally skeletal so either ano or on drugs. And she talked about her refugee work too. But she did come across as WAY more normal and not at all snooty, uppity or bitchy. She looked uncomfortable throughout the whole thing, it seemed like it was difficult for her to pretend to be normal and mainstream and she didn’t know quite how to do it. But what she is now was just the same as then it seems, just more normal. Maybe she just got big-headed and began to believe her own publicity too much. It does happen. She wasn’t arrogant at all and not at all attention-seeking or look at me-ish as she is now. She was just regular and perfectly likable. Odd that she turned into what she has become and I wonder what made that happen? Maybe just getting with Pitt and thinking she was God’d gift, who knows?
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Keane said on March 26th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

@ Moody Blue – sorry my friend, I know you think you matter and you count but I can’t even remember who you are and care even less. And no, I don’t think you’re Angelina Jolie, you’re just a random arrogant knob. The internet is full of them. I’m sure you’re a legend in your own mind.
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

But it’s getting tired (but later I’ll decide it’s totally entertaining. OR someone else– who is positively definitely NOT me — will, and they’ll ALSO finds it “tired”…or entertaining) since all your mischievous “trolls” (who were positively, definitely not and never were, me in the slightest) seem to have given up the game at last.

Bingo.
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guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

@p:I don’t think that would have stopped her from coming on to him. She doesn’t strike me as someone who takes anyone else’s feelings into account.
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deeca said on March 26th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

@Jezzy:

I thought I read somewhere that GC couldn’t stand AJ. He found her snobbish and pretentious or something.
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Bitsey Smithson said on March 26th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

@p:

Huh?
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guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

That’s why I wondered if she’d come on to him.
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Canuck said on March 26th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

@deeca:
Well, he’s made it clear that Brangelina and the diaper gang aren’t welcome at his place in Italy. Brad is, not sure about AJ, but since they never go their and you never see them out together as a group, I would say that either she put the kibosh on that friendship, or he doesn’t want to be around her.
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Alif said on March 26th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

@Guest:GC would be too smart to be ensnared by AJ”s “charms”.
He is much more talented than Brad. BUT, I have a hunch that BP and he became thisclose! He, the dark-looking macho man, and BP, the blond, fair one, who is his opposite. Both have in common: “winning” The Sexiest Man Alive title from PEOPLE mag.

Did read a couple yrs ago, that AJ resented GC. Didn’t want him and Brad to get too close, anymore.
Therein lies my theory: GC can push BP buttons that AJ doesn’t realize BP has!
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Canuck said on March 26th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

@Alif:
Could also be that she didn’t want anyone else but herself having any influence over him. I’ve got a friend or two like that, their spouses have done their best to isolate them from their friends, and then tried to only choose “friends” for the spouse that they approve of and usually have vetted. Control freaks/insecurities.
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guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

@Canuck:I thought there were photos of Brad, Maddox and Pax at Clooney’s italian place just before the twins were born. I’ve read that GC does not like AJ, I just wondered if it was closer personal experience than her being Pitt’s significant other.
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

@Canuck:
[Could also be that she didn’t want anyone else but herself having any influence over him. ....their spouses have done their best to isolate them]

It’s always struck me that way. Pitt’s style was always very social…and I mean socializing w big-leaguers.
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Keane said on March 26th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

@ p – nah Moody Blue has actually been lingering around this site like a bad fart for quite a long time unfortunately, way before any of the mental Ange stories came up. I can’t remember exactly who he is but I think he was one of the arrogant tosser men (you know how sometimes only men can be) who thought Ian’s claims that lots of people in HW are gay is utter BS because he of course knows everything about everything, especially everything about all the gay people in the world, because he knows so many of them of course, and generally anything anyone else says is wrong because Moody Blue is entirely convinced that the world is exactly what it seems to be on the surface and there is no such thing as closeted gays, beards etc. He’s a tiresome, arrogant twat who feels threatened when his comfortable world view is threatened by something closer to the truth. A homophobic, probably misongynistic, dick who someone suggested was most probably a closet case himself. Oh but he knows better than everyone rememebr, I’m sure he’ll be back to tell you how right he is about everything, he thinks he’s the dog’s bollocks. Unfortunately for him that’s about all he is. Nite all, catch ya tomorrow!x
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Canuck said on March 26th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

@guest:
I haven’t seen those, but Clooney did say that when he felt the urge to have kids, he just had to invite Brangie with their brood to remind him why he doesn’t want to have any. He also said that he doesn’t have enough room for them at his house.

Also, there have been stories about how AJ can’t stand Clooney. Given her spin expertise, I take that to mean that Clooney can’t stand AJ, but she wants everyone to think she’s in control. He never bothered to say anything about her, from what I can see.
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

@Keane:
[’m sure he’ll be back]
despite it being tiresome.
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

Has anyone ever heard anything about Brad Pitt being a member of the Bohemian Club, a secret orgnanization that lurks around San Fran that many of out past Presidents have been in. I was reading over at Panache and apparently some there , someone named Lobbyist, says he is, and adds this-

Lobbyist wrote:
Brad, Michael and Kirk Douglas belong to at least one of the secret organizations on the front page. Brad is in deep. These are power hubs, connections and networking. They ease the way for members in all industries to make millions and billions.

Also-that’s why him and his crew got some type of contruction deal in Iraq, millions of dollar building contract.

This poster is one who knows Angelina, she is from the playboy mansion-

Gorgeous Sable wrote:
Angelina loves women just as much as men, she will have a wife throughout this relationship.(talking about Brad and Angelina)

Another insider on there-
2/27/2009 10:35 AM After Dark Crew wrote:
Both Brad and George dated black women, Brad was with Robin Givens and other black women who were not famous and George was with Kimberly from head of the class. They still dip and dabble, like Michael Douglas. When all 3 of them get together, they ring up their black mistresses.

Yikes-
alex jr wrote:
You forgot to mention that at Bohemian Grove the participants take place in Satanic rituals where they do mock human sacrifices and they worship a owl deity named Moloch whom they used to sacrifice children to in the Biblical times. For more info on Bohemian Grove watch the documentary “Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove.”

Seems that this secret society and-another one are where the bog boys play-
Nubian wrote:
forgot to mention the Bilderberg is an secret society of global elite where global agendas/policies are discussed and sometimes even where the future presidents of the US are picked.(Just ask Bill Clinton & Obama)

So, wonder if that is why Bradley was invited into the Oval Office ….just curious..

There also was some comments on Spitzer blowing the lid on Maddof so he was gotten rif of early- lol

One more-
candi77 wrote:
The Bohemian Club is a front for the “Illuminati”. I live in the bay area. They meet in San Francisco. I heard all kinds of sick practices such as child sacrifices are done. This is the club to belong to rise up in various industries (business, music, hollywood, politics, etc), but you would have to give up your moral values. I guess this is how Mr Pitt rose so high in H wood. I read in the SF Chronicle that Danny Glover is a member. I was shocked because of Glover’s political activism over the years. He always seemed so anti establishment. I guess he is on those Jesse Jackson types. The best reference for the Bohemian Club is Alex Jones.

Does not bode well for child custody- eh?
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

I am aware of international groups of rich alpha-men (like “Illuminati”) who believe they can predict what’s best for the global economy, and have embarked on centralizing everything (under the oh so friendly, kumbaya-esque guise of global village), giving fewer and fewer models anf approaches for economics, medicine, agriculture, ….with them and their pals controlling the purse strings and making the rules. Don’t know of any movie stars involved but it wouldn’t shock me. Give a bunch of bo-bos a lot of money they think they should be doing everything. Another good group to kick the shit out of.

Otherwise I didn’t know that MD, GC, BP are all friends much less have annual black women events but eh…lots of people have gotten jiggy with other races, not a biggie.
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

On October 26, 2007, in Minneapolis, Minnesota, former President Bill Clinton was heckled during a speech by a man claiming that the September 11 attacks were a fraud and mentioning the Bohemian Club. Clinton denied the 9/11 claim and then sarcastically added, “Did you say the Bohemian Club? That’s where all those rich Republicans go up and stand naked against redwood trees right? I’ve never been to the Bohemian Club but you oughta go. It’d be good for you. You’d get some fresh air.” The heckler was escorted out of the hall as Clinton made his remarks.
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

@Billi:
Yeah, I did a little more reading on it, it is mostly Republican, but Democrats too, it is by invitation only, you have to be sponsored by 2 people, there is a fee of 25000.00 and then you pay another fee up to the age of 45 years old , then it changes. They do have some type of naked sporting event in the woods, lol, the women and kids can visit but must leave by 9 or 10 pm . Ronald Reagan wa a member. Now, why would anyone want Brad Pitt is this club,besided his money. Most of these people are intellectuals.
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surreal said on March 26th, 2009 at 8:43 pm

@Keane:
Keane, when Angie adopted Maddox, my opinion of her was very positive. I thought it was great that she adopted him, and I thought she was very sincere. I still think she was sincere. I think her adoption of Maddox was from the heart. I think she fell in love with the little guy. Unfortunately, I think she adopted Zahara to reel Brad in, and I’m not sure what the deal was with Pax. If she hadn’t lied about sleeping with Brad while he was still married, I could have tolerated her. Plenty of HW folks have extramarital affairs, but very rarely do they become sanctimonious and start preaching at everyone. The truth is, Brad and Angelina would probably be better off if they hadn’t hooked up. They’re overexposed now, and I don’t see how anybody could take them seriously as actors anymore. As I’ve stated before, Brad will survive the breakup, but he won’t emerge smelling like a rose.
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

@Kate:

I only posted that bit on Clinton because I thought his retort was funny, you could never catch him off guard. I’m facinated by these secret clubs with their rituals and prominent members and what they might get up to. Agree why would they want Brad except possibly for his money or his connections to other celebrities.
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Billi said on March 26th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

@Kate:

I’m fairly new to the Panache site but I’m in constant awe and shock at what I read in the posts. Some of the regulars seem to have the inside scoop and now that I know what I know, it’s hard to look at some celebrities with anything but scorn.
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Kate said on March 26th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

@Billi:
I feel the same way , Billi, they are just pure filth aren’t they? Even some of the ones who you think may not be are. Denzel damn, even he is a dog. But honestly, these people are just nasty nasty nasty. Angelina is right in there with the rest of them. They have so much of everything they are just bored and have to keep pushing the limits. It is really amazing that they can feel anything at all anymore. I would imagine Brad is numb, just can not feel anything anymore with Angelina. When you have been where these two have been, how can you possibly get back to a normal place unless you change partners?
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

@Guest:
Yep, you are so right on here….there could never be trust again. If I were Jen, I couldn’t trust him. She deserves better. And AJ would try to get in his pants (just to get Jen, if nothing else)…and what did he say…”he has no use for morals”. I hope Jen doesn’t go there.
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

@g:
I think you are so right. I think most of society does not understand addiction…it’s a willpower issue in people’s minds. They will turn on her and quick, if it’s true (the heroin use). I am by no means sticking up for her (just know, in most cases addiction is not a matter of willpower)…imo, she needs help and if she doesn’t get it she really shouldn’t have the kids (it’s not just addiction with her…she has so many problems! imo). He’s the more stable one (even if he is a jerk) and a better parent, It seems to me, because he’s more stable. Anyway…my point is, most people will not understand the addiction and will vilify her for it.
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Elle said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

@Keane:
[ was also thinking about her family last night, and from the sounds of it I think her ma and brother are as batshit crazy as she is. I think that probably the most normal one out of the lot of them is actually Jon Voight, and I think that that’s why she hates him. Her principles and morals are so totally skewed that her concept of right and wrong is off. She’s fed the world the line that her ma was a saint and he was a devil but I think that that is far from the truth. And its highly possible that her mother poisoned her mind against him the way AJ may well end up doing to her own children against their father.]

For all my aforesaid reasons, I don’t think JV is anywhere near the “good guy”. If you could fall for that fucked up publicity “plea” for his mental daughter to get “help” then I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. That performance wasn’t even Emmy worthy.

And while I am totally serious about my opinion of JV, I am just teasing you Keane .
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surreal said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

@Billi:

Billi, how do I get to the posts on the Panache website? I didn’t see any message boards.
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Elle said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

@surreal:
[If she hadn’t lied about sleeping with Brad while he was still married, I could have tolerated her. Plenty of HW folks have extramarital affairs, but very rarely do they become sanctimonious and start preaching at everyone. The truth is, Brad and Angelina would probably be better off if they hadn’t hooked up. They’re overexposed now, and I don’t see how anybody could take them seriously as actors anymore.]

Yes, yes and yes!!
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surreal said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

@Elle:
Whether JV is a jerk or not, he’s a great actor. He was fantastic in “Midnight Cowboy.”
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

@Kate:
Kate, you have an incredible memory!! Thanks for updating us with stuff…most of which I didn’t read, but probably wouldn’t remember anyway…lol.
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deeca said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

@Elle:

Thats the thing about them. They are over exposed. Their movies would have probably done better had they not been in the tabloids so much. I have a bunch of co-workers who think Brangelina are the second coming of GOD. Its so difficult to keep my mouth shut with them.
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:12 pm

@Kate:
Sociopaths have no compunction about killing. Imo opinion she has many traits.
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:19 pm

@Keane:
Keane, I so agree with you! Your read on AJ and her family, really sounds right on to me. Can you tell me (or us that don’t know) more about her mom? Kate mentioned the revolving door bf’s and instability and I think also mentioned that mom may have turned AJ against dad (my memory really isn’t that great at times)…I’m so curious about that household…what she grew up in.

“It also said something quite negative about her – that Brad regards her actions as “selfish” – which is a word I’ve never heard used to describe her before.”

And thanks for the news!! That is quite interesting!! Although they are both selfish, you know? Geez.
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Guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

You are Just a Tool to a Sociopath:

Sociopaths, or psychopaths as they are sometimes called, are often hard to spy. Their charm can hide a chilly selfishness designed to torment. Learn how to avoid them.

Some doctors call them sociopaths, others refer to them as psychopaths. Either way, the terms are used to describe individuals who have a range of personality disorders. These people are not certifiably mentally ill; they are biological carriers of socially and personally problematic traits. Such traits may have been manifested from childhood on in acts of cruelty to animals, property or people. These characteristics can disrupt relationships, create financial and emotional crises, and, at their worst, lead the person to callously undertake acts of vandalism, theft, rape or murder. Being aware what constitutes a sociopath can help one resist their charm and the errors inherant in establishing a life with them.

The Superficiality of Image

On the surface, sociopaths may, at first and even for a long time, appear to function smoothly. Their manners are impeccable; they are well groomed; they fulfill the codes of romance and courtship to a tee. They are likely to be eloquent talkers who lace their speech with impressive sounding facts and figures. They may be fun, laugh a lot, sweep their partner off their feet with their sweetness. They may also seem ambitious, driven, and fond of grand, impetuous schemes for their success. Unfortunately, this behavior is an act for the sociopath. It is simply a means to getting what they want without thought to future consequences or anyone’s feelings.

The Absence of Feelings

The key trait of sociopaths is that they don’t feel. They may seem to laugh or cry but they present with no depth of emotion. While easily provoked to frustration or rage, their display of feeling is little more than a momentary, isolated temper tantrum. To the sociopath, other people are tools to get them what they want: money, sex, a job or other possessions. They live in their own amoral world where nothing they do has any consequences and where they owe no one anything. They have no empathy. Thus, they elude all responsibility for their actions, and can easily turn the tables, blaming their partner without guilt or shame.

The Relentlessness of Deception

Sociopaths lie all the time. As they don’t view their spouse as a thinking, feeling person, they do not see this behavior as wrong. Their only quest is to serve themselves and, if this entails lying, cheating or even murder, they will do so. If one catches them in lies, they are brilliant at changing the subject, placing the onus on the other person, denying their involvement or trying to make their spouse seem crazy. They are even good at deceiving the police and the court system; sociopaths rarely end up in prison for their actions.

The Impulsiveness of Action

Sociopathic individuals rarely plan ahead. They undertake actions on the basis of momentary whims, often devious ones. Every act seems isolated in its own amoral universe. Thus, they cannot keep promises or repair the damage they’ve caused to others. When they lie, cheat or steal, the act exists solely for them; they believe it should have no repercussions or real world effects. They often appear to have “forgotten” they did something shortly after it happened. Their need for excitement encourages them to get involved in one night stands, shady deals and ill advised engagements.

They have no sense of commitment to their spouses, or any children they may have together or the future.
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

@topbrit:
I know, Brageloonies got so up in arms about Jens “uncool” statement…it was so mild and so true. She really has, for the most part, been amazing through this whole this. Taken the high road every time.The only reason I say for the most part, is if she was faking relationships…she doesn’t need to do that. She really doesn’t.

Remember when the uncool statement came out, Brange was suppose to be shocked that she was STILL talking about them…ooooh, it makes me mad…after AJ brought it up. Grrrrr. I know this has probably been talked about…lol…but I just had to put it down, too. I really have respect for Jen.
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

@Guest:
Thank you, Guest! Awesome info…just gives me the chills reading it (in a bad way)…yikes!!

One thing I’ve read, but there is differing opinions, is a sociopath may be better able to put the face on to the world. The psychopath is sometimes thought of as the raving lunatic. I know people disagree of this. Or more, can’t really agree.
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

are differing opinions…cleaning up my grammar…lol.
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Guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

Protecting yourself from a psychopath:

http://personalitydisorders.suite101.com/article.cfm/protecting_yourself_from_psychopaths
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

@Z:
Are differing opinions…cleaning up my grammar…lol

This is SO DAMN SCARY! Thanks again Guest…I copied that onto my hard drive…hopefully I won’t ever need it. Great information, though!
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

@Z:
Another thought on this….I would think of Ted Bundy as a psychopath, but he put a good face on for a long time…until he couldn’t hold it together anymore. So I can see how the terms are interchangable.
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Guest said on March 26th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

@Z:
When I read both articles, I was stunned. Anyone can be a victim of this… it’s really scary. And if you read the comments people have left, most of them are married to sociopaths and had no idea. Gives me the creeps.
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

@Guest:
[Sociopaths lie all the time. As they don’t view their spouse as a thinking, feeling person, they do not see this behavior as wrong. Their only quest is to serve themselves and, if this entails lying, cheating or even murder, they will do so. If one catches them in lies, they are brilliant at changing the subject, placing the onus on the other person, They are even good at deceiving the police and the court system; sociopaths rarely end up in prison for their actions.

The Impulsiveness of Action They undertake actions on the basis of momentary whims, often devious ones. Every act seems isolated in its own amoral universe. Thus, they cannot keep promises or repair the damage they’ve caused to others. When they lie, cheat or steal, the act exists solely for them; they believe it should have no repercussions or real world effects. They often appear to have “forgotten” they did something shortly after it happened. Their need for excitement encourages them to get involved in one night stands, shady deals and ill advised engagements.

They have no sense of commitment to their spouses, or any children they may have together or the future.]

Yeah I think it speaks to some of what we talked about last night and I’ve definitely known people that engage in criminal acts w impunity. I think a lot of politicians are like that. They’re immune to the bitter battles they have to fight which enables them to fight them and rise to power.

In this instance I think to greater and lesser extents it applies to both of them, tho I assume you’re thinking more of AJ.
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

@Guest:
I haven’t read the 2nd one yet…I’m going to do that now. This stuff really fascinates me – but scares the crap out of me, too. I read a book recently about a sociopath that killed her husband….and she has many, many people that believe her side of it…because of her charm. It is terrifying, really.
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

@p:
Yes, it is a good list of the characteristics…good article! yeah, I’m thinking of AJ. And it could apply to both (esp. with that creepy thing he said about morals)…but I’m thinking more her. Sounds like her childhood was enough to create this kind of monster. I definitely don’t think Brad is innocent (”No one is innocent” my husband just reminded me the other day…line from Repoman)…anyway…um…lol. I digress ….

I think if Brad either meditated on his shitty actions (maybe was taken down a few notches) or got into therapy, he may be able to be brought around to the fact that he behaved awfully and maybe he could actually admit it – even a small wee bit. I’m willing to believe he may, just may feel guilt or one of these other emotions, if he was off the golden horse he’s been riding.

I get the feeling from her that she has no such feelings and never will…it’s about her, always. imo, of course.
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Z said on March 26th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

@Guest:
Wow…this is so scary. About AJ…here is one this this article says “Does she have a history of cruelty to animals?” Imo, bestiality is cruelty to animals. And even if the dog thing isn’t true, those horse pics are sick. Those examples are her using animals for her selfish purposes.
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p said on March 26th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

@Z:
Well I like to think you’re right about therapy pulling Pitt out of this. But as you know, I put more weight than many on the fact that his former lifestyle was also about self-promotion; even in the high-profile way he socialized was about places to be seen, people to be seen with. The very thing that turned Depp off, turned Pitt on. Also the cagey way he primed the public for his relationship w Jolie, before he officially informed his wife it was over — that was the interview he sniffled out his pangs to have a LARGE family. He never mentioned his wife. Also the fact that I KNEW, based on his OLD life he’d never make room for that family, despite his folksy “I’m-a-family-bound-now” declaration about slowing down. I think much of this was conscious on Pitt’s part, but he balanced it better than Jolie, who could never make it work as a lifestyle that would be workable for anyone else. She’d more than just a sociopath…..I’m not completely sure what her problem is. Abuse may be part of it.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 12:01 am

@p:
Well, you certainly have many, many great points here. Maybe I hoping, for the kids that they both aren’t this far gone. he does seem to have a better upbringing, but a person could just be born with this. So, who knows. I definitely think there is an abuse angle w/ AJ..what we were talking about…the sexualizing everything, etc. I’m reading this about Borderline Personality:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870491-1,00.html

It’s pretty interesting…but seriously scary to me, because I think my brother is married to a woman with this problem. And he’s basically cut us all off, at her request. It’s hard to watch. You probably have an idea, because you’ve said you’ve know people with mental illnesses.

Borderline may be one of the personality disorders that make up a sociopath…according to this article they can be cutters/self-abusers.
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deeca said on March 27th, 2009 at 12:27 am

If Angelina loved her mother so much then why wasn’t she with her when she died? I always found that strange.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 12:45 am

@deeca:
Yes, Kate mentioned that…she knew her mom was dying, but didn’t stay with her…or see her in her last year of her life.

@Z:
At the end of this Borderline personality article they mention “Girl, Interrupted”. Nee nee nee nee (that’s the Twilight Zone music).
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carrie said on March 27th, 2009 at 1:08 am

@Keane: Well that just shows how out of touch the media is. They never had a majority of the public with them. Most people ahev always thought they were phoney. I could have told them two years agao that if they bashed Brangie the public would have cheered them on.
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p said on March 27th, 2009 at 1:32 am

@Z:
[They are powerfully connected to the people close to them and terrified by the possibility of losing them — yet attack those people so unexpectedly that they often ensure the very abandonment they fear.]

Again that reminds me a lot of Trillo in THE SOPRANOS… and like many abused women I’ve encountered. The above really characterizes what I suspected w Jolie. I think there was at least one suicide attempt. That’s one of the things that made me think Pitt must have been aware of this pretty early on. In my experience these types often ARE abandoned by friends and SO’s. I think they start to act out when they feel someone has caught on to them. It’s only a matter of time after that. So would that make them inherently sociopaths?

Anyway thanks for the article, I’m glad they’re starting to do new research in therapy again, instead of just dulling the patient w drugs (which can be unpredictable) and hoping they’ll be numb enough not to act out.
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g said on March 27th, 2009 at 1:51 am

@p:
[Well I like to think you’re right about therapy pulling Pitt out of this. But as you know, I put more weight than many on the fact that his former lifestyle was also about self-promotion; even in the high-profile way he socialized was about places to be seen, people to be seen with.]

Funny but I always gave him a sort of free pass on this mainly because everyone does it everywhere, from the boardroom to Hollywood and it didn’t seem much more excessive than any other A-list actor. However, I did feel that Jen, and for that matter Clooney, kept him grounded somewhat and that if left to his own devices he would have been a bigger famewhore. Perhaps that was one of the things he wanted and got with Jolie.

[Also the cagey way he primed the public for his relationship w Jolie, before he officially informed his wife it was over — ....... I think much of this was conscious on Pitt’s part]

I agree. When I realized or suspected that this was conscious on his part and that he was so cold and calculating, that is when I started to despise him and believe that he really is just a major narcissist who cares for no one but himself. I took me a while to believe he could really be that bad given his “apple pie” upbringing. I don’t get those vibes from anyone else that used to be around him like Jen or Clooney or Damon etc.
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p said on March 27th, 2009 at 2:19 am

@g:
I don’t know if I’d say they kept him grounded bc I don’t think that lifestyle is grounded. But they’re not bug-fuck crazy. In Jolie he found the absolute worst in himself. But I think it’s noteworthy that Pitt picks his friends and lovers from essentially the same crop. Jen also operates on an extremely public plain, tho she does seem to balance her own life w some non- A-list pals, and I’ve never heard that she’s mean. Still BP wanted to take things higher, he even hooked up for collaboration w a well known architect. I think he was already itching for a grander, more global life, and saw a chance to expand outward w Jolie. But maybe outward went downward.

As for known actors who choose to live their private lives in the shadows, well they’re some of my favorites…DeNiro, Bale, Blanchett, Depp, Streep, Blanchard, Woodward, PSH, Franz, Gandolfini, and at the absolute top of my list, the incomparable Emily Watson!

So yeah once established, it’s a choice. Of course these people are exceptional talents so maybe that factors in.
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Billi said on March 27th, 2009 at 5:44 am

@surreal:

Here you go. There’s lots to read including the archives on the right of the screen for older blinds. Unbelievable insights into the goings on of celebrities.

http://blog.panachereport.com/
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surreal said on March 27th, 2009 at 6:58 am

@Billi:

Thank you, Billi!
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Guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 7:37 am

@Z:
That was such a good article. Thanks for the link.
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Billi said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:02 am

@surreal:

No problem surreal!!
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Billi said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:18 am

@Kate:

Kate, I know yesterday you pointed out how the Ian’s scoop at the top sounded like something George Clooney would say. I reread it and the first sentence does sound odd. “Somehow, Brad Pitt became increasingly scornful of the way Angelina Jolie was handling their household”. Somehow…like he doesn’t know how? And the use of the word scornful. Disgusted or disappointed sure but scornful? I know it’s anal of me to nitpick the wording but I see now what you mean.
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g said on March 27th, 2009 at 10:06 am

@Billi:
I see what you are saying. Scornful is a very strong word however that word wasn’t in the quote so did it come from the source or was it Ian’s interpretation? And what does the “increasingly” suggest?
The word that struck me was “acclimatized” just because it is not a word I hear used very often. In my area, people use acclimated or adapted with much more frequency. Why not just say – He never really adapted to Angie’s lifestyle. I have heard Clooney on talk shows use words that surprised me but I chalked it up to the writer in him.
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Billi said on March 27th, 2009 at 10:22 am

@g:

G – You’re right acclimatized is not your everyday kind of word. I missed that one. I guess we get the gist of the message despite the choice of wording. But it would be something if this came from Clooney but I highly doubt.
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joanne said on March 27th, 2009 at 11:45 am

Mr. Pitt left Miss Voight starve (or ride the horse) while carrying his children. He packs up his circus and photographs them for magazines for pay. (Diddy too, ugh!) He jets them all over the world at all hours. He wore a shirt with the word TRASH on it on vacation with his soon to be ex-wife, I always thought he was empty headed but he seems to know he’s trash and proved it. There are rumors Miss Voight is suicidal, I guess things didn’t go as planned, anyway sounds just like the loving mother she claims to be, great thing for a child to grow up with. They both belong together and the children’s lives should be monitered. Those kids just don’t look happy. If you adopted those kids and did stuff like they do, the kids would be gone. Fans of Miss Voight are getting plastic surgery to look like “the sexiest woman in the world”? WTF A bag of boney horseface is consider sexy? YUCK!. Then we have her #1 fan, octomom. When I see octomom I see Jolie. They are the same except one can afford it and the other cannot. They both make me sad to be an American. I missed your posts keane so I came to read them here and add my two cents.
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mandy said on March 27th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

I have never really bought into the whole idea of George and Brad being friends. I think they have worked together a few times, had a few laughs, but that is it. I don’t think George is someone Brad would confide in or talk to about his problems. I mean, what does George Clooney know about relationships and raising children? Not much, I would imagine. Truth be told, they probably don’t talk much anymore because they really don’t have anything in common now. jmo
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

@mandy:
Why not, they went out drinking and got completely shit faced drunk and stayed out all night at one of the film festivals, the last one they were at together. lol Jolie was not there. He went and stayed with him for 3 days at his home in Milan after the Radiohead concert , instead of going back home to Angelina, which was a quick flight away in either direction. Several other guys did too. They spent some time tooling around on their motorbikes in Italy as well before the twins were born. I suspect they are better friends than most think, Brad does not really have close friends, he has business associates, and while he and GC may not see each other often they seem to have respect for one another. When George made Three Kings, he and Pitt spoke often by phone, long distance. That is what led many to believe they had more than just a friendship, because they were close.

Adding to that, sometime I believe it was in 2007 Ted C said that George Clooney told him that Brad regretted leaving Jen. You can porbably google that, people like to throw that one in the face of the loons all the time. George is the one I suspect that Ted got his info “the greatest sex I have ever had” from . If that is not enough, on a final note, when Brad and Angelina hooked up, George was concerned for Brad, worried about how Angelina would treat him, that she would hurt him, and he was very vocal about it at a public function that several Hollywood executives attended, and that you will not find if you google.:) They have been very good friends, that I can tell you is a truth, what the status is now though, shruggs..

Still, this sounds like George to me-

“He never really acclimatized himself to Angie’s lifestyle,” the source said. “Last month he completely lost it and broke down. I really think it’s time for him to get out before he loses his mind. He has spent considerable time away recently which means they’re starting to live separate lives.”
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

Of course I suppose it could be David Fincher also ha ha
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Rox said on March 27th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

Did Ted say a year or two back that Brad never really legally adopted Maddox and Z? If that is so, maybe that is what’s keeping Bradley in the picture.
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mandy said on March 27th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

Well.. not trying to argue with you but…imo, of course they are seen drinking and partying together when they have a movie to promote. As far as the other things you mentioned, where are the pictures? If they were riding their bikes through Italy together somebody would have gotten a picture, no? The only time I can remember there ever being photographic proof that Brad was at George’s villa was during the filming of O12. They were all hanging out on a yacht (George, Matt, Brad,etc.) and Brad was diving off the top of the boat. Also, I have tried to Google the Ted C quote many times as it is mentioned all the time at FF, but have never found it. If you have found it, please tell me how because I would love to see the exact quote.
I have never heard about George talking about Brad and Angie to executives at a party. That is new info. Anyway, I think you are right about Brad not having close friends. I have always gotten the impression that he is a hard guy to get close to. While he was with Jen, he seemed to have many friends, but I think they all sided with her after the split. (don’t blame them) George, on the other hand, has many, many friends and seems like an approachable person. Side note: Why don’t Jen and George ever get something going? It seems to me like they would be a perfect match. hmmmm…
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surreal said on March 27th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

@Billi:
It would be interesting if George Clooney was Ian’s source. I didn’t know he was a writer. That might explain the use of words like “scornful” and “acclimatized” that are not part of everyday vernacular. I don’t know that much about Clooney, so I can’t say for sure.

BTW, “In Touch” has a cover story about “the breakup”. So funny! I always thought “In Touch” was a prime Brangelina ass-kisser. It seems like even the gossip mags are turning on them. Maybe people are finally getting fed up with them.
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Canuck said on March 27th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

@surreal:
George writes really great letters, they’ve put some of them that he’s sent on the web.
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

Does anyone know if there is any truth to the JA miscarriage rumors from summer 2004? There are a fair amount of stories (albeit tabloid, so I’m taking them with a grain of salt) mentioning her miscarriage in July 2004 and that Brad broke down and cried over it, etc and that they’d been trying to get pregnant. I don’t know if any of it is valid, but that would mean that he’d already taken up with the skank by then. Nice.
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p said on March 27th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

@mandy:
Well I couldn’t say much about *friendship* per se, but he and Clooney were planning a Vegas venture together and were investing time together in the planning stages. Brad also paled around w Guy Richie hanging out in hot HW caviar bars. Again I don’t HOW close they were but it was certainly social. IIRC he used to be tight w his bro too, went to games together (can’t recall where the articles are). Otherwise Brad is and always was extremely busy w projects, many,many balls in the air, all the time. I couldn’t say about close friends but he was extremely social. Now he has a household to manage (which apparently AJ does so poorly he’s “scornful” about it) even if he’s only there on and off. Big staff on nannies, security, clean-up crew heh…etc… and they’re all always on the move w the family.

And Clooney would only break Aniston’s heart in thousand pieces, assuming she got really into him. He says he’s not into settling down. Plus I think he goes for the younger ones.
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Keane said on March 27th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

@ joanne – aw that’s so nice of you thanks! I got a bit tired of being told that I don’t know shit about journalism; that I’m obsessed with Jolie; that my rants are all about the same thing; that I should get another hobby; that I have no life experience(!)etc that I didn’t really want to post over at Dlisted any more. It was just a few people who put me off really, everyone else was cool, but it just got to the point where everything I said sparked major arguments which I don’t really like so I thought it better to stay away. Say hi to all the girls (and guys) though for me and tell em to come say hi to me over here sometime! Lol x
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

@mandy:
Brad spent the night at Georges home, after the Radiohead concert, nothing to do with promoting a movie. George made comments in the presence of studio executives, you will not find that online, you
will just have to take my word on that one. It is not written in a magazine anywhere, it is just something I know because of a family member. Now as far as the Tec C and George quote, Ted C change his archives so that is why you are having a hard time finding it. I wonder if anyone has saved it on their computer, I do remember when Ted said that. I am not suggesting they are BFF or that Brad is with anyone like that, I doubt he is , his life is too big a mess now. I would bet the only person he truly trust is his brother and his parents. Eric Roth is the Pax’s Godfather and he has said he is close to him, and he is seems to like David Fincher . Seems like most of his relationships these days are centered around business associates. sad. He did seem to have a more normal life with Jen. He seems to fancy himself equal to these older men. Remember him hanging with Robert Deniro and his family in France. lol Seems kind of an odd scenario. He has sure come a long way from his days of laying around in his garden by the pool with his bong lol.
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Keane said on March 27th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

“Acclimatized” is the standard British version of the word BTW, I assume “acclimated” must be an Americanism. That may give a clue to the identity of the person in question: Guy Ritchie, Jamie Oliver even. But both these 2 men are seriously famous (in the UK at least), I just can’t really imagine either of them talking to a journo, especially after what Guy Ritchie has just gone through. It would be more likely to be a British production person in my view, there are lots of those in HW anyway.
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

@Billi:
You’re right acclimatized is not your everyday kind of word. I missed that one. I guess we get the gist of the message despite the choice of wording. But it would be something if this came from Clooney but I highly doubt.

Probably not him, but at the same time, it sounds like it is someone who does not talk to him all the time, not real close because Ian said his close friend said they are split, parted ways, done, that was for sure. This person sounds like they think he should be done with her. They break down would have been in LA around the time of the Oscars. George was in Africa. Remember this was when Bradley was out drinking his G Goose and Jolie was home with the stipper or around that time. He was suppose to be hanging with those “paper hangers” remember that story by Sugar Ray??? Remember the fucking boot against the door??
The Brangie became Bungie, he lost it…etc. He was pretty curt with her at the awards. Her eyes were puffy, so something went down right before then. Then they left and went to NYC and she scouted apartments and he flew right back to LA for what ? anyone know? for one night. I think he had his breakdown when she freaked and realized he was not gonna get her that little gold statue so she wanted her girls back . lol It is not the gypsy life he can not handle, it is her and her lovers.
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

@Keane:
Good point, that makes sense, it sounds more like an opinion doesn’t it? What about Charlie Rose, Brad has done several interviews with him..interesting that so many of these media folks know what is really going down behind the scenes but no one will report on it.
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Canuck said on March 27th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

We also say acclimatized in Canada, so it could be a transplanted Canadian. I think there are a fair number of them in HW.
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g said on March 27th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

I remember seeing he went back to LA for a bday part for the architect Frank Ghery. Just found a link where it is mentioned.

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2009/03/partying_with_frank_gehry.php
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Keane said on March 27th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

So are we kind of coming to the conclusion then that AJ actually got with Brad Pitt, destroying another woman’s marriage in the process, not necessarily because he was the “love of her life”, but to enhance her status in HW? I remember someone, can’t remember who it was, saying that AJ was sick of not being taken seriously by HW and not being accepted by the HW community becauuse of the crazy drugs, sex and knives business. “Kimmy” also said AJ used Brad to “position herself” in HW. So are we saying that this whole thing, the destruction of another woman’s marriage, adopting 2 children and giving birth to 3, was not at all about being madly in love with someone and more about positioning herself so that she could win a best actress oscar, to maybe show the father she loathes how much better she is than him? If this is true it is very hard for me to comprehend the mentality of someone who is prepared to wreak havoc in so many people’s lives, merely so she could win a shiny golden statue. I mean Dawn from Glossip said she thought AJ was scary smart, evil smart, in fact “Hitler smart” – is this why? If it were true then it surely is one of the greatest acts of selfishness, of utter disregard for anyone’s feelings but her own, including that of her own children, that I have ever heard of. It is truly sociopathic and one of the greatest acts of manipulation I’ve ever heard of. Are we coming to the conclusion that this is what has been going on all this time?
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

@p:
“The above really characterizes what I suspected w Jolie.”

It does seem like it could be a pattern.

@g:
Yeah, I agree with all of what you said here….and P, too. Really good point about others keeping him somewhat grounded. Jen sure is forgiving to be his friend right now. I wonder about GC….it seems to me BP dumped him as a friend, because AJ wanted him to…what kind of friend is that…not one.

I still think, given his parents are in the picture he’s be a better choice for parent….AJ strikes me a mentally ill…BP not as much – more of a dick than crazy. So in a way it’s easier to forgive her (if we are going there), because she is crazy. Someone who is just narcissistic and mean, there is nothing redeeming there. And he sure as hell was mean to Jen.
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p said on March 27th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

@Keane:

[So are we kind of coming to the conclusion then that AJ actually got with Brad Pitt, destroying another woman’s marriage in the process, not necessarily because he was the “love of her life”, but to enhance her status in HW?]

I think some would certainly speculate in that direction. She has gotten more opportunities w Brad than she ever would have w/o him. After he’s gone I suspect her status will decline again — especially as people’s common sense kicks in and it’s rightly speculated there were problems not too far into the union. Why? bc they didn’t really date nearly long enough before they embarked on a family together. However it does seem as tho Angie needs a romantic other in her life to feel validated as a woman as well, so maybe what was at the time, the most desirable of the pack, excited her too. He’ll fair somewhat better imo, remember HE’S the mover and shaker. As you can tell from above, I don’t think he’s squeaky clean either jmho.

And yeah Frank Ghery was the architect I was referring to. Funny everyone in that Brooklyn area protested bitterly about the project (put indefinitely on hold). Residents didn’t want the basketball stadium or the boutique hotel, or the area built up too much. People would rather they work w existing architecture, aligned with the existing sensibility (which is partly the appeal of the neighborhood) and to preserve history, than employing rich folks ideas of what commoners need. You can bet THEY wouldn’t live in the areas over-run buy traffic and drunken riff-raff before and after games. They just go there to shit.
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deeca said on March 27th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

@Z:

Brad Pitt has always struck me as being a follower. There was a gossip site that once had a picture of him with all the women he went with and it pointed out to how he takes on the appearance and characteristics of all of them.

And it was scary because there was one where he was with GP and they were both blonde and looked amazingly alike.

While its obvious Angelie is bat shit crazy, Brad has a great deal of issues as well. If I can find that pic, I will post it.
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p said on March 27th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

[I still think, given his parents are in the picture he’s be a better choice for parent….AJ strikes me a mentally ill…BP not as much - more of a dick than crazy.]

Amen.
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Keane said on March 27th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

@ p – I honestly find it difficult to comprehend what type of person you have to be to be that ruthless, that utterly unconcerned for anyone’s feelings but your own. Destroying another woman’s marriage and bringing 3 innocent children into the world and 2 damaged orphans into a family purely to get more famous? That is just beyond comprehension to me. It does sound evil. It seems to me that if this is the case then AJ herself is incapable of feeling, because if you have feelings that can get hurt yourself, you usually have some degree of sympathy for the feelings of others. IS this woman simply a damaged, unfeeling sociopath, capable of riding roughshod over anyone’s feelings including that of her own children, because she has none herself?
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

I want to know if BBT is back in the picture, and who the Sophisticated Lady is? LOL
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

@deeca:
I saw that recently…and noticed that, too. He and GP had this blond bangs thing going…they really looked alike! Someone here mentioned that he changes his hair color with each new woman. Seems to be true. It would be fun if it was purple next…something really obvious…haha.
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 7:48 pm

If the split lines up with Brad and his mom and dad against Angelina and James and Jon Voight, and they go to battle for the kids, how does everyone think then it will play out?

Jon Vought was asked on Wed night if he has baby sat yet and he said no but he wants to can can’t wait, and sounded like maybe they maybe in touch. Since James is living with Jolie and Brad does not like him, it is reasonable imo to think that they are formulating a plan .

So who will be the stronger team at this poing in this fight, and will either of them really want all six? Jon Voight has some strong old clout in HW on his side that might not otherwise pull for Angelina, and that would probably include Clint Eastwood.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

@p:
Good list! Yes, and proof that it’s possible to act and be a star and live in the shadows.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

@Guest:
Your welcome! Yeah, I really thought it was good, too…interesting!
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

@Z:
well anything at this point would be this freaking Great Gatsby look he has going on. lol
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moo said on March 27th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

I would just like to say about the whole Brad/Clooney/Michael
Douglas thing – I doubt that they are all friends as Douglas slagged
off Pitt when he left Jen for Jolie – something along the lines of
leaving his beatiful wife to look after orphans for Angelina unless this was before
then. I’m really loving the site though I’ve become a tad obsessive
about checking the comments every 2 mins lol. Keep up the good work.
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p said on March 27th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

[anyone’s feelings including that of her own children]

That’s the part that bothers me. Ian, SR any word on this would be much appreciated! Sorry guys but YOU set off the alarm bells.

You know I’m kind of on board w “Z” on this. I think she may be profoundly psychologically damaged. She’s like a shark that’s constantly feeding, moving. Pitt’s excuse is more elusive to me. Both probably felt together they could be more best than the most bestest, best thing there is. I think aligning himself w Ghery, who he sees as the best in his field, and wanting to DESIGN ALONG SIDE HIM, even tho he’s not an architect (Yeah he did. The project fell thru) is an indicator of his grand aspirations… and delusions.

Aniston did offer up some details; he’s characteristically insensitive and she was never totally comfortable with him. Me, I’m glad she’s out.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

@joanne:
Yeah, sometimes I think those kids would be better off – have a more stable life, back in the orphanages. With out all the crazy crap going on in their lives. I don’t think those children look at all happy…totally agree.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

@Kate:

George is the one I suspect that Ted got his info “the greatest sex I have ever had”

Hey Kate, What was that about?
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

@p:
Let’s entertain for a moment that maybe she is a good mother. I mean, why do we think she is not a good mother, what are we using to support that, and what will Pitt use to say she is not? It is not easy to take kids from mom.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:18 pm

@mandy:
Jen and George ever get something going? It seems to me like they would be a perfect match. hmmmm…

And wouldn’t that be fun for rubbing Brad’s face in it!
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p said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:20 pm

@Z:
Thanks, you know on the list are major stars, and some that are known actors who have solid careers. But what they all have in common is they’re all considered TOP-TIER-talent. If it were me, I’d want to be the person in the room that EVERYONE thought was REALLY the most best, any day..which they are, by any modern yard stick anyway.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:25 pm

@Kate:
I’m thinking if she grew up in a home that was that damaged (those damaged adults), she has no idea how to parent. I really feel like she has serious mental issues (my opinion)…When it suits her she can be a really fun mom. But I could see her mood swinging out of that quickly. Incapable of thinking of anyone but herself. Esp. if a lot of the things up here are true (the dog, for one). She strikes me as incredibly unstable. Not able to be a guiding person in a healthy direction. Kids really need that. I’m not saying BP is any great prize, either. JMO.
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

@Z:
oh Ted liked to ramble on for about two years or so about how Brad loved being with Jolie because she was the best sex he had ever had and told all his friends that. bla bla bla such a gentlemen yes? Even as late as 6 months ago, which is why I question his credibiltiy. Just how good could sex be with a dogfucker? I got to ask? Mentally, where would your head be when she is blowing you, when you had to put your face down there, much less your tougue in her mouth? sorry to be so graphic..I mean come on….are we to believe that Brad was oh so into her after seeing that, no don’t boy it, SR said he never got over it, and you know what, he looks like shit, like he never got over something..and that makes more sense to me.
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:32 pm

@Kate:For openers it does not appear that Maddox is actually in school. They claim he’s being home schooled, if he were quizzed would he be able to pass a first grade test. She doesn’t know how to put the babies in a front carrier properly. What they have said about the children peeing in the time out chair, if the child is telling them s/he needs to pee and they refuse to allow it – that’s child abuse. The kids bringing him dog poop. Constantly changing the kids environment. The constant exposure to the paps. If the rumors about being kicked out of Mirval for filth.

It may depend on whose side the nannies decide to take or if they simply truth about both of them and how much time they actually spend with the kids and how they behave when they are with them.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

@surreal:
I was think of People mags deal with them…if the break up is true news, they ARE going to print it. Sooner or later…deal or no deal. I would be shocked if they didn’t. They wouldn’t miss that story…huge!
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

@guest:
I’d like to know the scoop on that one. : )
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

@Kate:
You got that right! Get a new hat!!!!!! Oh and get rid of the mustache…yuck! If he still has it.
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

@Z:
I think Brad could be a really good father with the right partner, you know what they say, “you are only as good as the woman beside you, boys! “lol If he is going to try for custody what are his intentions, his mom and dad are not going to raise these kids long term, is he going to raise them as a single father long term, no. That means he has to find someone who 1st-is willing to be a stepmother to his children 2-he has to be committed long term to that person, he can not keep changing partners, not moms at least. 3- he has to settle down in one place somewhere.

That is quite a bit to think about. She will want to move them back to that 60 million dollar home they bought in France. They own that. Then she will be bored to death living there with nothing to do, small town that it is. He will want to take them back to LA to his compound at Los Feliz, he has that place set up like Hogans Heroes . lol For him to get custody he has to live with them at least most of the week, he can’t just dump them with mom and dad and visit. I bet he goes just for the bio kids. Just a feeling.
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p said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

@Kate:
For me it’s based on 3 basic inclinations.

The first. She talks too much about them in interviews and sets up a bunch fake-candid shots.
Opportunistic, unhealthy, unnecessary.
Another thing, she packs her life w so much that she’d have to be overly reliant on nannies.
Neglectful, unhealthy, unnecessary.

They disorient the kids with alarming frequency, by uprooting them every 2 -6 months.
Unhealthy, unnecessary

The second. The way she jumped into a relationship piling on kids w a guy she hadn’t spent enough time with for such a commitment.
Overly impulsive, unhealthy, unnecessary.

The third. The stuff that’s emerging here and alluded to elsewhere. Drug addiction and neglect. Creating a home atmosphere that may not be safe/savory for children. Irresponsible, possibly dangerous.

The third is the only one BP has a prayer of nailing her ass to the wall as far as I can see. But since, as with the others, he’s been complicit in at least some of this…I don’t know. Assuming she’s got a class act lawyer (a safe assumption), they’ll fling the shit right back.

That only leaves drug addiction and continually roaming the earth. But that’s assuming Brad protested that, which he didn’t publicly, fact he said he didn’t mind.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

@p:
Aniston did offer up some details; he’s characteristically insensitive and she was never totally comfortable with him. Me, I’m glad she’s out.

Was she saying that about BP? She did say he had a “sensitivity chip missing”, right?
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

@guest:
yes, but think about all the times she has gone on endlessly about what a wonderful father he is, she has nover one time said a negative thing about him , He one time said she was a good mom, and a good organizer. It will be tough for her to prove him a bad daddy. You can’t just bring in personal things. It has to relate to the kids.
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

@p:He could nail her if the twins were born addicted to drugs and he claims he tried to get her to clean up and she didn’t. If he didn’t adopt the nonbiologicals, i don’t think he’s got a snowballs chance in hell of getting them without concrete proof she’s an unfit parent.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:47 pm

@Kate:
he has that place set up like Hogans Heroes . lol

LOL..funny! I forgot about that show…good analogy. Yeah, I think you are right about him being a good dad with the right woman. I really believe, with anyone, the person you are with can bring you up or pull you down. Esp. if you are a little weak or a follower (like people have said about BP). But yeah, he is going to have to settle down…I would think the court will be watching and whoever got the kids (or some of the kids) would have to settle down. Is AJ capable…I don’t think we think so…lol.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

@guest:
Interesting thought about drug addicted kids!

So how did she get pregnant when she was so skinny? Even with IVF I think you need to be ovulating. It’s possible she was, but usually with that kind of weight loss the period goes.
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

@Kate:She could get him on discipling and safety if the pee/poop stories are true. That’s nothing compared to what he’d have on her if he’s got proof she’s using. And the twins medical records would be available to him – unless he’s not the Dad. What do you think of them just splitting the kids she gets the adopted he gets the bios?
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

@Z:They can still shoot you full of hormones – or the stories about her pregnant assistant are true and she never was pregnant. Any one heard anything about that, can’t remember the woman’s name, she was also pregnant with twins and suddenly disappeared after the twins were born.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

@Kate:
Yeah! That sounds so right. He’s an ass…I mean was he telling everyone because he was bragging – or he’s an insensitive dimwit or both. He does look like he’s never gotten over something…he really looks like hell. And it’s been in the last couple of years. I sure as hell wouldn’t get over it, but I’d be out the door…right then, puking all the way.
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

@p:
Exactly, he said he did not mind. When has he ever said a word about how the kids were being cared for. Even in one of his interviews for CCOBB he sang her praises as a mom, how she was so full of energy and made sure everything got done for them etc. She goes on about what a wonderful father he is. So here they are now ready to sling the shit. All that so far that has been slung is that she she is violent. She attacked him in the twins room and woke them up. Strike 1. That is it. Nothing else. Now we have Star, Now, and In Touch all releasing stories saying they are sleeping apart because she is so pissed about the nanny, and he is fine with it because he thinks she is so selfish he does not want to fight with her so he sleeps in another room or the sofa, oh and James is there to fix them, lol. Now first, the Nanny was fired why, either because she was spilling to Ian and she was his in home contact with Brad’s permission, or because Brad just made this story up because no one believes people stay mad for a silly massage on the back like this. She strips her ass naked, she was slipping and sliding in doo just a few weeks prior with Bunny.

What else can he use? That she did not take care of one of the kids with a cough and was freaking with the whore on the pole with the pee? Oh, but wait, Brad brought her to Jolie and then he went out drinking and was no where to be found. tsk tsk..no can not use that one.

I mean all the blow jobs in parking lots, slurping dogs balls and smacking with the monkey on her back will not matter if it is not interfering with the daily care of the children. He has to prove she is a unfit mother, and to do that, he may just prove what a lousy dad he is as well.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

@guest:
I think the splitting idea is a possibility…that’s the scenario that seems to ring true to me…but it’s not something I’ve thought through….hmmm. I could see them really fighting over Maddox…she’d win, unless he has the dirt on her.

@guest:
Wouldn’t that be something. I suppose the hormones might do the trick…she’s still young enough.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

@Kate:
They could both be screwed. But they have a lot of money….so good lawyers.

Didn’t Brad not want James around when Shiloh was born? I heard something like that. He’s probably not so thrilled he’s around now…unless he doesn’t care at all anymore.
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p said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

@Z:
[Was she saying that about BP? She did say he had a “sensitivity chip missing”, right?]
I think she was essentially saying that she’d seen that behavior before. The extent of the relationship might have surprised her but not the way it played out entirely, on his part.

@guest:
[i don’t think he’s got a snowballs chance in hell of getting them without concrete proof she’s an unfit parent.]

The law is complicated and it all depends on how they go about it. Another poster mentioned there is a legal term “pschological parent” and he’d certainly fit the bill; so far as we know there’s no other significant male nurturer/authority figure in their lives. That would apply to the non bios too. But they’d have to show she’s an unfit mother and that’s when feathers could fly. He might back down for fear of dirt she has on him being made public. I couldn’t even speculate on that. Obviously there are a lot of unknowns.
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

@Z:I think Maddox is the only one he can’t touch. I’ve never heard or seen that BBT’s parental rights were terminated. AJ got sole custody when they divorced, custody and parental rights are not the same thing.

Kate, if she is addicted to heroin, and he can prove it, he’s got her over the barrel. People who are on drugs are unpredictable – that’s why Britney lost custody even though she had nannies. I just remembered his story of her throwing knives him when she was pissed. You don’t throw knives in a house with small children – you have no idea when one of them might come running through the door. Also her giving Maddox a knife, even with a dulled blade, at 7 does not demonstrate good parenting skills. And Pitt has an out if he hasn’t adopted the other three of saying “She says they aren’t my kids and won’t listen to me.”

I agree I think whatever happens if it goes to court neither will come out smelling like a rose, but there’s more on her in terms of instability, drug use etc, than there is on him.
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

@guest:
First, if she was using a synthetic while pregnant that is under a doctors care a Judge will not hold that against her, and next, drug addicts and whores keep custody of their kids all the time. They lose them if one of their Johns try to dilly with them or one of the kids are ingesting the dope. If the leave them unattended, but other than that, they sit there in the ungodly sqarlor. There is no way she will lose the kids over a drug habit unless she shoots up in front of the kids, abuses them, she walks around inappropriatly around them (like Sharon Stone did) exposes her sexual partners to the kids, etc. They have nannies, three per child. How is it possible she could be doing anything at all to abuse the kids? Now if she is flying into rages, smacking them in the face, calling them names, showering with the boys, things like that, yeah. Then Brad, how would he lose, easy, he will lose if she unless she is not a monster.

Will they want to air all this in court. I find that hard to believe, but the idea of losing ones child is very emotional and that can make one give up all sense of privacy if it means winning. Just the mere thought of losing sole custody of my kid when they were little would make me go beserk. I would have been one of those parents that would have fled to another country. Just forget completely about trying to win, no way , forget it. I would not take the chance, I would just take my kids and go. uh ah..noooo, they were my precious stones. lol I would have gone to the ends of the earth if I had to.Dad would have just been shit out of luck if he had ever thought about it, (lucky he always loved me he he ) cause they would have had new names and new identities. I have too many friends that went through that bull shit. Nope. You lose all reason. What happens if she wins and takes them all to France. He is not going to really be part of their lives ..may as well start over with someone else..

I could see them making a deal. Splitting the kids. How do you explain that to the kids though….not a easy place to be, and this is what people will not forgive them for, they had no business putting these kids in this position. They knew each other for such a short time, and yet these assholes brag about having 6 kids in 3 years. shaking my head. Bet he will not be bragging this time next year.
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

@p:That was me, not every state recognizes it, CA does. A big factor will where the fight takes place, if there is a fight. It comes down to whether or not the Judge truly thinks about what is in the best interests of the child(ren).
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

@p:
But they’d have to show she’s an unfit mother and that’s when feathers could fly. He might back down for fear of dirt she has on him being made public. I couldn’t even speculate on that. Obviously there are a lot of unknowns.

I bet this is what his parents meant by -be very careful, and why they are apprehensive, and why they said they wish she was sweet like Jen…lol
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Billi said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

@Kate:

I would like to know if AJ is truely an addict? If it’s true then it’s hard for me to perceive her as a good mother. Crazy behavior caused by her addiction could be ammunition for Brad in a custody battle. Thing is who knows what really goes on behind their closed doors. Rumors only. But given the 360 turn from wild child to mother teresa, stacking up kids over a short period of time, the constant moving of the family unit and her work schedule, does not sound like someone who is grounded and has her head on straight. Understand that Brad is part of this but I believe she’s the one calling the shots on who, what and where.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

@p:
That sounds right…I remember reading something like that in Vanity Fair…and although she was really upset and crying, she was mostly really respectful of BP. He didn’t deserve it…but I respect her more for that.

@guest:
just remembered his story of her throwing knives him when she was pissed. You don’t throw knives in a house with small children -
Holy crap…if that isn’t insanely out of control what is? Yeah, and that whole “we collect knives in my family”…at least wait until the kid is 9 or 10 (or older). My son wouldn’t know how to be extra careful at 7. And he is a very careful kid.

I get the feeling BP really bonded with Maddox…but what do I know? lol
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

@guest:
ohhh yes, very good point, I had forgotten about the “throwing knives” ahh looks like Bradley has been planning this for awhile then lol yes? has to be the reason he put that story out there.

I know what you mean about the drugs, but he would have to prove he did not enable her..
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

@Kate:These are public figures, whole different ballgame, and again it will depend on if a fight takes place, where it takes place. If he could get Missouri named as the venue, she’d lose hands down. CA could go either way. My personal impression is that he’s going to walk and roll over on the kids.

I was under the impression that they did not buy Miraval, but had a three year lease and they were kicked out of it because they allowed the kids to dump food everywhere and didn’t do dishes, that it was really filthy. I don’t recall hearing that they ever went back to france after he started filming in Germany.

Family Law Judges are an odd lot, what one will tolerate another won’t.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

@Kate:
Yeah, I keep thinking they will find a way to do in in private….neither one of them wants this stuff aired in public.
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p said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

@Kate:
[She attacked him in the twins room and woke them up. ]
Ian reported that she attacked Pitt in the twins room? A nanny was fired? Did these mags give said nanny’s name? Seems like there was a story some quite a whiile ago when Brad’s face was bruised, possible domestic violence.
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

@Z:
I bet he bonded with him until he got Knox, not nice to say that but did you see how he showed him off in Japan, just sad, that little newboy hat, and Angelina had Maddox, Zahara, and Vic. Brad had Knox, Shiloh, and Pax, and if it has to go 3/3 and he does have right to Pax that is how I think it will go. If he does not, then I think he will get Knox and Shiloh but he will have to give up Viv to do that because she was named after Jolies mother. No way Angelina is going to give up Maddox or Zahara. jmo Those are hers.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

@Kate:
“this is what people will not forgive them for, they had no business putting these kids in this position. They knew each other for such a short time, and yet these assholes brag about having 6 kids in 3 years. shaking my head. Bet he will not be bragging this time next year.”

Yep. So damn irresponsible. And makes me feel (yet again) that they only care about themselves. I would also run away if I thought someone could take my son (I’m also lucky to be in a great & peaceful relationship)…but being a parent…well the kid(s) are all that matter in my opinion. And that’s the way it should be. If not, don’t have kids.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

@guest:
It comes down to whether or not the Judge truly thinks about what is in the best interests of the child(ren).

The judge better think about that!! But there are lousy judges out there, too.
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

@Kate:She had to adopt Pax as a single parent. It was after that that she changed Maddox and Zahara’s last name to Jolie Pitt, I always found that announcement odd because a name change does not equal adoption – but the masses bought it as adoption.
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

@Kate: Was he showing Pax off, all I saw were the airport photos and to me Pax did not look happy and the way Pitt was holding him, by the wrist, not the hand, was to control him, not show him off. Just from what people have said here, I wonder just how good a relationship AJ had with her mother and she might quite happy to get rid of Viv.
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p said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

I doubt Missouri would be named unless things turn sour and the primary custody is handed over to the grandparents. The judge might set limits on how often the kids can be moved.

Also I had a friend who did family law. They try at all costs to keep the kids together, which is seen overwhelmingly as in the best interest of the children.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

@Kate:
I think this is good thinking – I wouldn’t be surprised if Knox is his favorite now….I wonder if a judge would split up the twins. Maybe not. But it depends on the judge.
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

@guest:

Ian reported he is going to fight for the kids, so I do not see him just walking away completley. He does have a residence near his parents as well as one the one in New Orleans and the one in California. Brad hired a lawyer back in February to start working on this custody fight and I guess we will see how it plays out. At that time the word was he would be nice to Angelina, but he had enough on her to bury her.

They did buy the one in France, it was reported leased by US news, incorrectly I might add. Angelina herself admitted in a tape interview overseas it was bought, Brad lied and said they leased it when he was interviewed. LOL wonder why? These two can never get it together. Still , it is not a secret that it was purchased. Most journalist are aware of it .
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

@Z:
….I wonder if a judge would split up the twins. Maybe not. But it depends on the judge.

Really, is that sort of thing up to a Judge, what if the parents decide that is what they want to do?
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

They only keep the kids together if they are members of the same family. (Used to work in Family Law) If he didn’t adopt the other three (and as said I have my doubts about even being able to adopt Maddox) he’s sol unless he proves she’s unfit. I think the one neither one of them wants is Pax. I don’t think they had a clue about adopting an older child.
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Billi said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

@guest:

I’m not sure how accurate Wikipedia is but it sounds like Pitt adopted Maddox and Zahara.

Brad Pitt was reportedly present when Jolie signed the adoption papers and collected her daughter; later Jolie indicated that she and Pitt made the decision to adopt Zahara together. On January 19, 2006, a judge in California approved Pitt’s request to legally adopt Jolie’s two children. Their surnames were formally changed to “Jolie-Pitt”.
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

@Z:
Every time I hear about one of those stories where the parents find out they took the wrong kid home of have to give the adopted back I am sitting there yelling at the TV run run run. lol
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

@Kate:
Yes, I was just reading about an interview with Brad and Ann Curry (maybe?) asked him a question….something like “Angie asked me to ask you…” and he was all tongue tied. Weirdness!!! This was pretty recently I thought….well last year in New Orleans, I think….but it seems AJ was f’ing with him.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:48 pm

@Kate:
LOL…I know!! Ack! The one that broke my heart was the couple that had the girl for maybe 6-7 years or longer and the natural mom got her back (the family did, but then the birth mom & dad split). I think the birth family was Chinese, living in the South somewhere. But when a child is with a family for 7 years…that is their family!
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:49 pm

@Billi:
No, that is just a legal name change and that is all it is. Her attorney said it was the first step. He did file a petition to adopt them. As for Zahara, he was present in one of the home studies, but he was not part of the adoption process, you have to be married in that country to do so. No he may have adopted them later on in California, but in his Charlie Rose interview last year where he tried ever so delicately to explain why homosexuals could not adopt when Charlie asked him if he had adopted the kids, it sounded like a big fat NO.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

@Kate:
They probably have to do what the parents want, I would think. There would probably be someone advising this or that…but I imagine the final decision would be the parents…unless they are fighting and can’t decide. But yeah, I suppose it wouldn’t be the judges ruling unless, again, one was ruled an unfit parent, etc.). Lots of variables.
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

@p:
Hi P, no Ian did not report she attacked him in the twins room, the tabloids did, 3 of them now have reported that. She slapped him over and over and over yelling until she woke the twins up. Then she fired the nanny on the spot. The story goes she walked past and Brad was sitting on the bed rubbing the back of the nanny because she was not feeling well and it was innocent and Jolie went wild and Brad could not understand so he got on his cycle and fled. In LA , so clearly this was when Ian was getting the info from the home right around the time of Oscar, right around the time the report that some equipment fell on Brad that day he was working on a commercial and omg will he attend the Oscar, lol he looked ok to me.That is where the story evolved. But enough to be sleeping in seperate rooms a month later? hardly.
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

@Billi:That was the name change, if you look it up it wasn’t an adoption, whoever posted it misinterpreted the name change as an adoption. Brad did an interview with Charlie Rose after that where he was point blank asked if he’d adopted the kids, and he wouldn’t answer.

Kate, usually the Judges go along if it’s not contested, if it’s contested then they’ll make the decision, supposedly based on what’s in the best interests of the children. I’ve seen some weird stuff. AJ doesn’t seem particularly attached to the biologicals, if it weren’t for the negative publicity she knows she would get I bet she’d walk away with just Maddox and Zahara.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

@guest:
Thanks for the info, Guest. Geez, I’m sad for Pax…doesn’t he look lost in all the pictures of him?
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

@p:
Keep all six of them together, what if he is not the legal dad of 3 of them and he wants the bio?
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

@Kate:
If it’s true she slapped him that many times (and who knows) she is a maniac. Out of control!
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

@guest:
I totally agree, that is why I think she will bargain and take Viv, and make Pitt take Pax even if he is not the legal Dad, they will find a way to make it happen. Think how bad it would look if he took all the bios after all this bullshit they have spewed about “I have one from here, and one from there, and oh man it is just so beautiful to see” lol can’t you just see that. nah..Marketing will be a big big part of this. Pitt will be forced to take one of the adopted and he is not gonna get Mad or Zee cause she does not want to deal with Pax, jmo, and he wants Knox and Shi for his mom and dad..Pax and Viv will be the dealbreakers….unless..he really has some dirt on her and is trying to prove unfit, then he has no choice but to try and take them all.

LOL anyone think Brad Pitt wants to be a single daddy of six kids?

oh OK is reporting they have put their adoption plans on hold for now. ha ha
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

@Kate:The problem is the way the laws are written. If did not adopt the non bios he has no legal standing whatsoever. If he were the stepparent, then he could at least go for visitation and he might have a shot at custody. A Judge can’t even consider a petition for him to get custody of the non bios unless he’s claiming she’s an unfit parent. The case that established the pyschological parent the man involved was led to believe that he was the father of the child.

That’s why where they claim there domicile is is so important. MO or LA she’d probably lose.

Kate, did they buy Miraval or did she buy Miraval?
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

@guest:
Thanks for the info, Guest. She certainly made it clear in at least one interview that she basically loves Maddox and Zahara more than Shiloh. That’s what it sounded like she was saying.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

@Kate:
I can’t imagine either of them wanting all 6, unless it’s for spite or publicity.
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

I wonder if she’d walk away from all the bios and Pax. During the Japan airport promenade, she didn’t bother to put Viv properly in the baby carrier. I don’t have kids, but every mother I know always checked to make sure the baby was properly in the the carrier before they went anywhere.
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

@Z:There was a lot more to that case than public was told, not the least that biological parents had been trying to get the child back since she was a few months old, they had been led to believe it was foster care situation, my feelings on that case is the “adoptive parents” should have gone to jail for kidnapping. The ones that get my goat are the women who don’t tell the father and then he shows up and demands a kid back.
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p said on March 27th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

@Kate:

Yeah I heard the story but just resome InTouch, Enquirer..etc..sotory, no nanny’s name even. No the thing I meant was a few yrs back, Pitt did have bruises on his face.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

@guest:
Why didn’t they get their child back? So many years went by?? That does sound criminal, if that is the story. Then in that case…and I was the natural parents, I’d be doing the kidnapping and hiding.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

@guest:
“The case that established the pyschological parent the man involved was led to believe that he was the father of the child.”

That sounds like a sad story.
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p said on March 27th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

@Z:
[in at least one interview that she basically loves Maddox and Zahara more than Shiloh.]

I think she said initially she didn’t bond w her bc she started life w more priviledge.

TRANSLATION: yeah I know I said I only wanted to adopt a bunch of underprivileged dark ones and now here’s this white one, spawn of our rich, hot selves getting all this attention, but pffft…honest folks I couldn’t even bond with it at first.

In other words, that was APOLOGIST PR, which backfired, tho I knew what she was trying to say. In fact I wondered if it was for appearance that they arranged for Pax around then.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

@p:
LOL…yep, that could be true. And about Pax, too….hmmm. My heart goes out to that kid. All of them.
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p said on March 27th, 2009 at 11:35 pm

@Z:

Yeah I’m not sure why, bc I’m not in the group that analyzes every pic, not at all, but it always struck me that he had…well to put it in psychology terms, the “lost child” position in the family. But that may be bc, rightly or wrongly, I saw him as an “apologist” aquisition. He looks sweet though, I hope grandma and grandpa give him loads of attention.
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 11:36 pm

@Z:It was a very ugly case that went to the TN Supreme Court, the biological parents were from China and the white couple used their lack of knowledge of the system against them, aided and abetted by the lower courts. When they lost took the little girl on tv to plead that she should stay in the U.S. The little girl is now back in China.
The other case, the man who thought he was the Dad was a stockbrocker and had the resources to take the mom to court and won, ended up getting custody.
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 11:39 pm

@p:And he was 3 when they adopted him, older adopted children have unique needs in being integrated into a family. I thought AJ was man stealing white trash up to that point. When she said she was going to take a year off, which lasted six weeks, to help him adjust to the family that’s when I began to dislike her. I firmly believe adults are entitled to screw up their lives any way they choose, you are entitled to screw up the life of child.
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DebFrmHell said on March 27th, 2009 at 11:57 pm

I can’t help thinking that we are already seeing the results of how they intend to share custody of the children. Photo ops show Brad with the boys every couple of weeks and Angie out with the girls on alternate occassions. Seems to me to be an every other week kind of thing with Angie maintaining the primary custody. This has been going on for months and all the award shows togetherness were just for the benefit of the masses. I think they were done before the holiday season.
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Kate said on March 27th, 2009 at 11:57 pm

@guest:
I don’t know if she bought it or the did (Miraval) but I can not imagine that she would have that kind of money on her own. She said, “we”.
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Z said on March 27th, 2009 at 11:58 pm

@p:
Yeah, I think he really looks sweet, too…I hope he gets tons of attention, too. I’ll take him! lol. My son was (for the 1st time in his life) saying he wanted a sibling. Whah. Broke my heart. We can’t have more and I don’t think we can adopt either. I’m grateful for one, though!

@guest:
Oh crap, that is ugly. That makes me sick. The things we don’t know by reading a little article!! The other one sounds like it might have ended fairly…again, I don’t know much, but the woman must have been lying to the guy, right?
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guest said on March 27th, 2009 at 11:59 pm

@Kate:Interesting because that could create a problem for her if she tried to up and take the kids to France.
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Kate said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:01 am

@DebFrmHell:
I agree Deb, I think they split back in December, to some point anyway. When a couple starts sharing partners is pretty much over anyway, but that was around the time we heard about the ambulance to his home, remember that? I wonder if that had anything to do with what SR meant about her being violent with Brad one time too many. I still can’t figure out what the boob job has to do with the violence and then what that has to do with the tan sweater and the coat lol These last couple of SR blogs seemed to be written by someone else jmo
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guest said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:01 am

@Z:Oh yeah, in that case she was sleeping around, he was one of three possible fathers, abandoned her two children from a previous marriage, found God got married again, couldn’t get the two older children back from their father so went after the youngest one.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:02 am

@DebFrmHell:
Interesting thoughts, there! Lately we have been seeing them separately with those particular kids…..
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Kate said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:03 am

@guest:
When Diandra Douglas went through her custody case for her twins, (they split when they were just a couple months old) the biggest problem was one wanted to live east coast and the other one west coast. It got nasty. They were not married either.
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DebFrmHell said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:06 am

@Kate:
I cannot seem to get into the SR parts of this blog. Too disjointed for me to follow other than to pick out a few things here and there that I can make fit into my reasoning. He is like a big jigsaw puzzle with not enough peices to make a full picture. The sum of all parts…
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:06 am

@Kate:
When a couple starts sharing partners is pretty much over anyway

I would have to agree there! I wish SR would give us some hints. : )
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p said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:07 am

@Z:
heh I was thinking that too. well if we were neighbors maybe I could adopt him and your son could have a bestest pal. On another note, I’m not sure why everyone thinks BP did NOT legally adopt them tho. I thought he did.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:08 am

@guest:
Wow…the suddenly finding God thing is suspect, imo. Sounds like the right thing happened for those kids.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:12 am

@p:
That would be awesome!

I don’t know anything about the adoption of any of them….I was under the impression that he did. But what a couple people said about BP on the Charlie Rose show was very interesting. He just didn’t answer when asked if he adopted…but was it just Maddox and Zahara?
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Kate said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:13 am

@p:
I have mixed feelings about Pax. I think they both realize they were not equipped to deal with an older child. He was the first one she did not get to “pick out” she just got a call that a child was available and was asked if she would take him and she said yes. Her application had been on the table for a long time. It was started when she was pregnant with Shiloh. That to me seems irresponsible. I do think she has good intention with these kids, but a 3 year old that has been in a orphanage that long in a country like Vietnam is bound to have a little bit of RAD. I can not imagine what she was thinking with a new baby. They both seemed irritated by him but I know people in very similar situations and even with the best of intentions it can happen, it does not mean they do not love him though. I hae seen Pitt with him where he does seem to have tender moments with Pax, and since he is such a bleeding heart , more than her, I don’t think he would dump this kid. At the same time, I do not think she could handle him without a man around. Then what about the brother relationship with Mad and Pax, would that be a problem or would mad be glad to have his mom back to himself? He is attached to Pitt also, so can you imagine this poor kid, first BBT is his dad, then Pitt, and then he has no dad except maybe a few times a year. I could even see her changing the kids names again and dropping the Pitt down the line, depending on how bad it gets.

Does anyone here want to see Angelina lose her kids, I can’t say I do, as a mother, I think that could be the worst thing in the world for her, I tend to think they help hold her together. Maybe she should just not have all six though.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:15 am

@Kate:
Hey Kate, do you know the outcome of that one?
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guest said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:15 am

@p:I think because they didn’t make a big deal out it and for a couple of PR whores they would have. If you had adopted the children you would have said the kids are adopted and their new names are Jolie Pitt, but it was just the name change. As I posted earlier, AJ was given sole custody, to my knowledge (granted I wasn’t paying much attention til the Pax debacle) BBT’s parental rights weren’t terminated and he had to sign off on the adoption or the Cambodians wouldn’t have allowed it. And then there was the Charlie Rose interview where he was point blank asked if he adopted the kids and he prevaricated.

When I read the SRC piece I wondered if she had the boob job, and when Brad hugged her he realized she was scary skinny, maybe said something and she popped him.
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DebFrmHell said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:16 am

If they had only married there would be a pre nup to follow as a guide. But for reasons known only to each other they chose not to legalize their relationship. I always want to remind the loonies that the children are the only ones legally recognized as Jolie Pitt. Not the parents…LOL!
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guest said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:19 am

@Kate:I don’t want her to lose the kids permanently, I’d like to see her spend a year in top notch pyschiatric facility dealing with her demons and learning how to be a good parent, and never ever see the kids pimped out for photo ops.
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guest said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:21 am

@DebFrmHell:And if they were legally married he’d better position to at least get visitation even if he didn’t adopt the non bios.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:23 am

@Kate:
He was the first one she did not get to “pick out”

I did not know that! For some reason that really surprises me.

That is such a tough question about her losing the kids…I read that and my brain went all over the place…lol. What would be so ideal, I think, is if part of the deal was she needed to get some help (therapy)…because there is some twistedness in her (imo) and maybe if she got a few of the kids and got some serious help, things would really look up for her.

I keep wondering which of the kids are closest to each other. I just assume Maddox and Pax…they are boys kind of close in age…but who knows? And I assume twins would want to be together – not that they are old enough to voice anything, but…
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:27 am

@guest:
Yeah! That sounds like a good solution…if only they would read this…lol. But I think your idea of being in a facility, rather that out therapy could probably help a lot more…maybe actually change things around for her.
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Kate said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:27 am

@p:
P the reason people think that is because of the interview with Charlie Rose. It was odd. Charlie asked him a direct question. Straight up, Have you adopted the kids? He got very uncomfortable. Then he went into this spill about how Angelina adopted them because men can not adopt in these countries because they are worried that homosexuals might try to adopt kids and use them in child trafficking. Charlie kept trying to get him to answer and he just skated around it, and basically said ,ah no, well ah she did and well ah, I can’t cause ah, well you know ah…blah blah blah. All he had to say was, “Yes, I have legally adopted the kids” end of story. He did not. This was the first time he has been asked that question like that and it caught him off guard. He was nervous, and the interview was fairly well done and sincere I thought. I can understand him not wanting to say, NO I have not, because then everyone would want to know why. That then opens the door about Maddox, if BBT has not given up parental rights etc it is just a big mess. So naturally he avoided it. It was a simple question, that required a simple answer, if that was the answer.

Ever since then, people have questioned if he did legally adopt the kids. Also often Angelina will refer to the kids as her kids. Not our kids, and say that they are “legally committed’ . It was reported in the past that Brad was made legal guardian of the kids and that when they came close to splitting in 2007 she was going to change that over to her brother. I kind of wonder if the reason James is with her now is to help with the kids because Brad is not there. Just a thought.
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Kate said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:37 am

@Z:
I think she is really close to Mad and to Zahara, and I suspect to Shiloh as well. I think it would be hard for her to lose any of them, to the point it would be damaging mentally. I think the blob comment was taken out of context and she was just trying to show she was not favoring her bio daughter over the others, but I have seen she be very loving with Shiloh. Now she did not have that much time to really bond with her because her mom was dying and then Pax so her bond may not be as strong as it is with Zahara, so I think for that reason if she has to deal, to keep Mad and Zee, she will be willing to let Brad have Shiloh and Knox. Hard for all of them. Only way to avoid it is if Pitt is willing to give them up.
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DebFrmHell said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:37 am

All her empathy goes to the children that she has adopted. I have NEVER heard or read in articles how much she loves her biological children. It was said sometime back that Pax was having a very hard time with the adjustment, scared of all the photographers, difficulty with picking up the English language, acting out, etc. As responsible adults, that should have been a clue to them to at least settle in one location so that child would develop a sense of belonging to a family. Both would have remained viable actors and kept their jobs as long as they alternated who was working at the time. Pax’s best interest got kicked to the curb IMO so that the pack could remain nomadic”citizens of the world” and adding to the allure of all things Brangie!
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p said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:39 am

@Kate:
[Her application had been on the table for a long time. It was started when she was pregnant with Shiloh.]
Under a year is NOT a long time, trust me.

[Does anyone here want to see Angelina lose her kids, I can’t say I do, as a mother, I think that could be the worst thing in the world for her, I tend to think they help hold her together]
Holding the parent together is reversing the order of what a healthy child/parent relationship ought to be imo.
Should she have them? There’s not an easy answer. If, as Z and I suspect, she’s mentally ill, or has significant neurosis w flighty attention span, chronic impulsive behavior, periods of suicidal depression, and a tendency to self-medicate to boot, then no.

But you can convince children that it is their role… and that’s always a shame.

The problem w rich people is they get away with a lot and someone like that desperately need limits to be set to ground them. Which may be what the judge will do.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:45 am

@Kate:
Yeah, she probably really bonded with Zee when she was sick as a baby…and you can tell she loves Mad.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:49 am

@Kate:
That is interesting about the Charlie Rose interview! I hadn’t seen that part. Yeah, he sure didn’t answer the question, huh?
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:52 am

@DebFrmHell:
“that should have been a clue to them to at least settle in one location so that child would develop a sense of belonging to a family.”

You are so right! That would have been the kind & right thing to do and it just seems like common sense. I’m sure moving around confused him…he already lost his sense of place completely. No wonder he looks lost.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:57 am

@p:
I hope a judge will do that…set limits. Make things happen that they wouldn’t do on their own. Really take care of the kids.

If a child feels he or she needs to take care of the parent, that makes for a very messed up adult. You are right…that’s not how it’s suppose to be.
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p said on March 28th, 2009 at 1:10 am

@Z:
I also feel it’s a VERY bad sign that they do these photo-ops — just recently Brad did two, one w the 2 girls, then w the 2 boys — they both do them. To me it indicates they didn’t bond well with these kids. Any of them, they just wouldn’t do that stuff.

You know Jon Bon Jovi sailed into Madonna for over-exposing her kids, and he spoke briefly about his distain for celebrities that did that in general, in an interview. He had to be circimpect tho bc of backlash. But he definitely thinks there is a problem when people do that. I mean just compare Brang and TomKat with how the people on my list behave w THEIR kids. It’s obvious.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 1:25 am

@p:
That is really cool about Jon Bon Jovi…I think more recognizable people should speak out..

I feel bad about the photo ops, too….I feel that they are damaging the kids. Just look at those kids faces! They are NOT happy about having their pictures taken. Don’t these people give one shit! Mad and Zee look extremely unhappy in most of the pics…
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p said on March 28th, 2009 at 1:45 am

@Z:
From the ones I’ve seen none of kids look any too happy.

Jon Jovi took it further he basically said these stars were imposing a security-guard existence on their kids and assured us that it was NOT a given but a choice the parents were making. He HAS said he attends school fuctions, plays, chorus etc… meaning his kids are in school, have teachers, schoolmates and shared activities. This Jon Bon Jovi for fuck sake!

Yeah more celbrities SHOULD come forward.

DebFrmHell they did seem to alternate who was working but then insisted they all had to traipse to wherever the work was. On top of that there’s a ton of projects (including promo tours f flicks) the other parent is doing anyway.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 1:55 am

@p:
That is sooo cool of him! Now he seems like a good guy!
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p said on March 28th, 2009 at 1:57 am

@Z:
Basically JonBJ’s take is if you really love your child, if they’re truly precious to you, you’ll do anything to protect them.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 1:57 am

@p:
If more celebs would come forward, maybe the jerks would think twice about what they are doing, because they may start to feel a little embarrassed or uncomfortable…and what a shame that it might take something like that to get them to stop (basically) abusing their kids.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 2:00 am

@p:
I could not agree more! I know I would. I would die for my son – without a second thought. And I would not expose him to anything that would make him unhappy like that (unless it was something like he didn’t want to brush his teeth…lol).
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p said on March 28th, 2009 at 2:29 am

@Z:
[If more celebs would come forward, maybe the jerks would think twice ......because they may start to feel a little embarrassed or uncomfortable…]
Funny you say that. Were they capable of shame, I would have thought the NY TIMES call-out article would have been enough. Me, I’d have been so ashamed of myself, I’d be walking around w my tail between my legs for months, avoidance mechanism shattered. I guess when they’re up that high, they don’t feel shame, even when it’s earned.

[it was something like he didn’t want to brush his teeth]
heh! You good moma!
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Canuck said on March 28th, 2009 at 4:46 am

@guest:
The French press reported that they leased it for 3 years. If they did it through a company that they own, that would make sense, as the commercial leases run for 3, 6 or 9 years, I believe.

Didn’t hear they got kicked out. That’s extremely hard to do in France, people have stayed for years in apartments for which they have never paid the rent, because French rental laws are all for the tenant. The landlord (and indeed the wealthy) is/are viewed with suspicion.
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Canuck said on March 28th, 2009 at 5:13 am

@guest:
I should have added that includes the Wine press as well, who identify them as the new renters.
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Moody Blue said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:08 am

@Keane:

I’ve been contributing to this thread in the past:

http://ianundercover.com/2009/02/09/iuc-exclusive-the-ethics-of-outingplease-read-this/

But I never said any of what you’re stating. Checking your sources and refreshing your memories before talking is a good way to avoid being ridiculous.
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messenger said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:46 am

@Susanna:

Wow, great post and I totally agree. Of course people always are on their best behavior at the beginning of a relationship–it’s just human nature. I’ve read it takes AT LEAST two years before you begin to see the real person. Also, about Angie keeping Brad away from his family: well the old saying “blood is thicker than water” is really true and I think he will reconnect with his family soon. Angie still has ALOT to learn about life and I don’t think she should EVER have had children until she worked on her emotional problems.
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messenger said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:48 am

BTW, the post I was referring to was:

Susanna on March 26th, 2009 at 8:19 am
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Pilar said on March 28th, 2009 at 7:04 am

[Does anyone here want to see Angelina lose her kids, I can’t say I do, as a mother, I think that could be the worst thing in the world for her, I tend to think they help hold her together]

Children are not here to take on the role of keeping a mother or a father stable. A mother (or father) who relys on her children for happiness & stability is emotionally abusing her children.
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Billi said on March 28th, 2009 at 7:48 am

You know who comes to mind as a role model, Mia Farrow. Not a model to accumulate more children but for the kind of quiet life she lives and provides for her bio and adopted children. It appears she puts priority on her family. Unless a tell all book comes out to say otherwise.

I will never understand people who increase their family very quickly, how they (not nannies) can devote the necessary nuturing time each child needs while they continue to work, constantly travelling, moving home base, family photo spreads (to me crazy for security reasons) when the press is always in their face anyway every time they are on the move (like give the kids a f’ing break!). They are both selfish, immature jerks. Not sure how what’s going to happen with the kids when they split, it’s a mess anyway you look at it.
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Billi said on March 28th, 2009 at 7:51 am

@Pilar:

“Children are not here to take on the role of keeping a mother or a father stable. A mother (or father) who relys on her children for happiness & stability is emotionally abusing her children.”

Absolutely agree with you! It should be the other way around.
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Keane said on March 28th, 2009 at 7:56 am

@ Moody Blue – you’re just one of several arrogant twats who posted on this site a while back and fortunately left. As I said before I can barely remember who you are and care even less. I can see you feel that whatever you think or say with regard to me does and should matter to me though. I’m sorry to break it to you though but your views are about as relevant and memomrable to me as appointmens with my dentist. As I said, its clear that you’re a legend in your own mind though. We’ve all been humbly awaiting the return of the omniscient Moody Blue to tell us exactly what is going on here and everywhere else in the world honest. Yeah, that’s exactly what we were thinking. And no, I don’t need tips from you as to how not to sound ridiculous, you really would be the last person with the authority to give anyone that advice. And no I do not need to check facts with regard to anything said by people who absolutely do not matter one iota i.e. you. So why don’t you do us all a favour and trot back to your yellow submarine?

@ Everyone else – Jon Bonjovi is a celeb that I have met, one that falls into the category of very down-to-earth, normal, well-mannered and very nice. I’m not surprised that he said those things about his children. I think he does have a wee bit of a wandering eye though, and is not exactly faithful to his wife. Hey, nobody’s perfect!
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guest said on March 28th, 2009 at 11:54 am

@Billi:Considering how old Mia Farrow’s kids are, and there hasn’t been a tell all – even from Soon-Yi speaks volumes about her parenting skills.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

@p:
LOL…maybe they wouldn’t feel shame, but just wouldn’t want some of their friends to think poorly of them…that does seem like it might not work, huh?

I just read a little article about narcissism…being a star doesn’t turn you into one, but more narcissists are drawn to stardom…well, that makes total sense.
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p said on March 28th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

@Z:
You’re right the image might make them think twice about trotting them around the arena again.

@Keane:
Hi Keane. I was surprised it was Bon Jovi that lead the charge myself (he’s said he hasn’t always been an angel), but he seemed pretty strong on the point. Then again the family lives (lived?) in New Jersey not far from each of their parents (albeit they live in a mansion) and are close to them, so maybe people w unconventional lifestyles in some ways can be conventional in other ways.

@Pilar:
Pilar we had that very discussion last night about the tragedy of role-reversal when the child becomes the parent’s caretaker. Totally unacceptable.

Guest I wouldn’t be too hard on Mia Farrow. I believe Sun Yi was adopted when she was at least 7 and likely a lot of damage was done. We had a discussion about her too, and it DOES seem that she saw to it the kids were based in NYC and her home in Conn (about 1hr 30 away) and got good educations. Her son w Woody was so bright she had to find a college that catered to very young students so at 12 he wasn’t a total outcast. He now has an undergrad from (Bard? Bardnard?) and a law degree from Yale. He’s also been published in places like LA TIMES and Moses I think is a therapist. Not trust fund babies. No question she made her share of mistakes but it sounds like she did some fundamental things right.
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guest said on March 28th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

@p:I wasn’t being hard on her at all, her oldest is 40 or close and the youngest is late teens early twenties. All old enought to have written tell alls. My reference to Soon Yi was that of all the kids she might be the most likely to write a tell, yet she hasn’t. So obviously Mia Farrow did something right.
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Kate said on March 28th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

@Canuck:
Angelina herself said in a interview they bought the property because it would be a peaceful place to raise the kids. That is not though where I first heard they bought it. I have a friend who is a writer in London and she told me they did, and that it will be exposed as part of Mickey’s book also. They were scouting that property during the time they were over at the film festivals is my understanding. Guess we will in time see if Angelina lied in her interview (or if Brad did when he said they leased it) when his book comes out. When it was first reported they bought it there was some backlash at their extravagance and Brad immediately got on the PR horn and it out there that it was leased. Angelina though had already opened her big mouth. He was also doing some renovations to the property my friend told me, but I do not know what he was doing. I wonder if they will sell it now. I met this friend though another very good friend who is a writer that lives in France, who I know much better, but she seems pretty credible. I wonder how much of their money they have tied together, I bet not much, although the J-P Foundation and the MIR Foundation they are linked.
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Keane said on March 28th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

@ p – yeah I mean I think the marriage to Dorothea is something of a sham, because he’s shagged everyone he came into contact with for most of his career. I think its a bit of a Tom Jones situtation, you know where they have the wife and mother of their kids at home, and then have sex with whoever they fancy when they’re not there. I guess some women are prepared to put up with that! But with regard to the kids he seems very down-to-earth, he said well my kids don’t give me a big cheer and a round of applause when I come down for breakfast every day, I’m just they’re dad! He was one of a few celebs who came to speak at the oxford union while I was there. He was very humble and deeply honoured to have been asked, we were like uh, hello, you’re Jon Bonjovi, this is just the union, we’re honoured to have you! He was doing a big concert at the Milton Keynes bowl the next day and invited everyone at the union to come (maybe 150 people) and gave us vip passes. He took an oxford t-shirt and wore it at the end of the concert the next day and made sure we all noticed. He also went for a pint at the union bar after the speech, he was totally down-to-earth. Very bright veneers though, not very natural looking. His only slight negative!

Other people who came to Oxford while I was there were Ralph Fiennes (extremely, almost painfully humble and down-to-earth), John Malkovich (in my freshers week no less!), Michael Jackson (didn’t go to see him, I wasn’t interested in listening to the thoughts of paedophiles!), Jerry Springer (didn’t care enough to go) and the late, great Benazir Bhutto (couldn’t go, had an essay to do, as usual!), plus probably some others I can’t remember now. I also met Bill Clinton while I was there, he wasn’t speaking at the union, just there to visit Chelsea (who was there at the same time as me) and to do a few bits and pieces with some youth scheme or other my friends were doing. When I met him he’d just been for a jog and was in his little running shorts and was all sweaty! He was very nice though and stopped to say hello to everyone and shake hands. So yeah, Angelina Jolie, she don’t impress me much!
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Kate said on March 28th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

@Pilar:
I did not mean to imply that she should be able to keep the kids under those circumstances, just that we do not really know exactly what the circumstances are and who the bad parent is here, only what is presented to us. How do we know Brad is not just a weekend dad? While Brad seems like the loving doting Dad, he is pretty good at putting out the image of himself he wants out there. She has helped him do that also. Have you eve seen a woman work so hard to make people believe the father of her kids was Daddy of the year? I have wondered on occasion if he wrote her a damn script. Yet for years he kept mum about her. Not a word. The first time he even uttered anything about her, “She’s my great love” it was half ass and half hearted and that was in 2007 when they were on the verge of splitting, when they pimping AMH and AOJJ. The only time he opens his mouth is to promote a movie, and they were promoting together, just like this year. Only last year he was losing ass financially because it was his money on the line for both movies.

This year it was about being bankable. So what did we see last year, oh it was, “I figure I have a few more pictures left, about four and then I will retire like Paul Newman” Everyone remember that, the reporter , who was it, laughed in his face. The headlines screamed, “Brad Pitt may quit acting” and then only one year later he says he will ” keep making movies til the last one is 18 years old that he has a lot of mistakes he made in his career to make up for” and that..is on the heels of him saying just a few weeks before at the round table, “I can choose what I want, do what feels right to me even it flops” paraphrased. Now of course then he thought he might win Best Actor. Since then he has been signing contracts right and left. So both of them, who only 2 years ago said they were going to take the kids to some obscure place and fade away and raise their family have now moved to the front of the line because their bankability has gone down and they are the laughing stocks of L. A. I suspect that is the real reason he wants to rid himself of the stone around his neck. Brad Pitt is not going down for anyone. So I ask, how is this busy little man going to be any better parent than she is? We have all seen him drag Pax around by the wrist, she does it too. Snap at him in public, shamelessly parade the twins out for an Oscar, he should be ashamed of himself, putting that little minime newsboy cap on Knox, that truly disgusted me. How blatant can you get.

I did get a good laugh out of his matching hankie to her blue dress at the GG, what , is this High School prom, a show of solidarity? Sticking his hand up he dress at the other awards show, and this is all fake everyone, fake, because this was happening at the same time as the violence,

How good of a parent is he, it is obvious to me he uses the kids more than she does , at least in the media. Their only hope are his parents, unless he meets a normal person willing to raise them.

They are both shitty parents. jmo but someone has to get them. Maybe one of them losing or the possibility of there of, will wake them the hell up.
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Kate said on March 28th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

@Keane:
So yeah, Angelina Jolie, she don’t impress me much!

LOL that just reminded me,first Brad Pitt, he don’t impress me much is in that Shania Twain son, now he is in that new Kenny Chesny song, what is it with these country singers and Brad Pitt?
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Kate said on March 28th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

The worm has turned once again for Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie as far as Tabloid Street is concerned. While this week’s Star and InTouch disagree on the big WHY, two of our finest say that Brangelina is pretty frayed. Let’s break them down!

INTOUCH’S MAIN CLAIM: Angelina’s brother James Haven has been brought in “to stop the fighting,” the mag says. He’s even been assigned the task of talking to Brad in an effort to bring about peace.

SO WHAT’S THE MARITAL PROBLEM? InTouch claims that Brad is furious about Angelina’s decision to take on filming Salt while “he’s home with the kids.” Angelina was apparently overheard saying on the phone, “Will you please respect the fact that I am working right now?”

INTOUCH BEST IMAGES: A photo section claiming that Angelina is “more affectionate with her brother than Brad” is almost worth the cover price even if they are neglecting to put in a slew of very romantic Brangelina shots over the years. Pesky details.

STAR’S MAIN CLAIM: SAD-NANNY PROBLEMS. Star suspiciously points to an unclear incident that supposedly found a young nanny “comforting” Brad, which was witnessed by Angelina. It’s very short on details. But, as a result, they report, Brad’s been banned from the bedroom. “Angie is still very angry over the nanny incident,” a source tells the magazine. “Right now, the separate-bedrooms arrangement seems to be the best thing for them.”

STAR’S BEST MENTAL IMAGE: BRAD DENIED BATH TIME PRIVILEGES. According to Star, Angie has nixed one of the pair’s sexy traditions—the daily bath. One day “she heard Brad running the tub” and she “told him to drain it,” says the source. What a waste of bubbles.

STAR’S BEST IMAGE: The cover. Out of context? No doubt. Photoshopped? No idea. But it really does look like Angelina is about to bite Brad’s head off. Could be anger, gas, or the beginning of a smile.

STAR’S TAKE ON THE BROTHER: Star claims Angie’s brother James is not a peace-broker but rather a shoulder to cry on for sis and actually doesn’t want the Brangelina bond to reform. “James thinks it’s good for Angie to put some space between her and Brad,” the source tells Star.

POINT IN COMMON BETWEEN THE TWO: Both mags agree Brad and Angelina are sleeping in separate bedrooms at the Waldorf-Astoria in Manhattan. InTouch even has a picture of the couch where Brad is meant to be sleeping. Star says that Brad and the kids are “camping out inside little tents in their rooms.”

IS THERE HOPE?: Apparently Angie’s coming around, says Star. “They really can’t live without each other,” says the source.

So look for an “in love again” cover next week.

This is from Celebuzz , Iin love again, ha , if that happens then Brad has chickened out and thinks he can not win.
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explain said on March 28th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

@Canuck:
this is BRILLLIANT!!! lol, Brangelina and the diaper gang! The DIAPER GANG, lol, that includes also Mommy and Daddy, who seems to suffer from verbal incontinence, too!
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p said on March 28th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

@Keane:
You know it’s a tough call for me, with JBJ and Dorothea. I mean he fought for her hard enough, but as you (and he) pointed out, he’s not monogamous. Based on pics I’ve seen of them together, they seem “connected” even playful, but as I said I don’t put much stock in a snap here, snap there…so maybe they’re together for the children. Anyway it’s nice to hear that his public protestations were not isolated; that he is in fact be sensitive to people around him.
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surreal said on March 28th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

@Keane:
Keane, I lived in Arkansas when Bill Clinton was governor and ran into him a few times. At one time I lived near the Governor’s Mansion and I ran into him while he was jogging. Another time he and Hillary attended a college event. I ran into again when he was picking up a prescription for Chelsea at the grocery store. Interestingly enough, he drove himself to the store in a modest sedan–no chauffeur, fancy car or bodyguards. On this occasion my boyfriend of the time embarrassed me by acting like a deranged fan (”Hey Billll!”) and poor Bill couldn’t get away fast enough.

He’s very friendly and I think anyone who lived in Ark. when he was governor met him at one time or another, because he enjoyed mixing with his constituents. I hated it when the Repubs and the media tried to take him down with the lady-chasing stories. Probably most of the stories were true, but who cares? He was a good President.
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Canuck said on March 28th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

@Kate:
I can’t say for sure, but several of the French papers and a few of the English ones have quoted Tom Bove, the owner of the Chateau and it’s vinyards as saying that they rented for three years. As they are still doing guided tours and winetasting on appointment, I would tend to think that it doesn’t belong to Brangie, who would likely close it off totally to the public. I also think that AJ, pretentious for all things French, would have been going off at the mouth about being the owner of an organic winery. I’ve been trying to find any reference to them having gotten into the wine business, but can find nothing. Yet the wine is still being produced.

I’ll keep an eye out for the wine in the stores, usually it says who it belongs to on the label.
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Kate said on March 28th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

Here is a picture that someone at FF found and posted of Brad with a child pornographer-

http://www.hollywoodinterrupted.com/archives/exclusive_the_lower_depths_web_extra.phtml
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Kate said on March 28th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

@Canuck:
Ask around to some realtors, maybe they would know for sure. I know the owner said that, but he said that after the backlash.
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Kate said on March 28th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

@p:
I saw him in a interview where he talked about the fact he had been unfaithful in the past, that he had hurt his wife and family, and that was to his regret. He sounded totally devoted now.
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p said on March 28th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

@guest:
Got it guest.
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explain said on March 28th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

I still believe BP is as not good as AJ, or as good as AJ, depending on how some wants to see them! Both deserve each other. Both waere in the search of the HW Olympe, believing they were untouchable. they saturated everybody in this planet with daily fake candids pics for over 2 or 3 years! They tired everyone who has one neuron! Everything failed when both realised HW would not cheers their brilliant complot by giving them THE statue. the fact is their team is working against themselves. BP was always an opportunist so he’s being managing the best way to get out and not burst his businesses. I, sincerely, hope AJ has some support, crazy or not, in the custody fight.
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Keane said on March 28th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

@ Kate – yeah I agree that Brad is probably not that much better of a parent than her. He seems too immature and selfish. I just remember what Ian’s source said about why they were contacting him, that they were worried about the children. Well my guess is that that would mean that they are both neglecting them except for using them for the occasional press opoprtunity – completely disgusting to me. And that is hilarious about the mags, and how interesting that they hint at how much more affectionate AJ is with her bro than Brad! God now if they opened that can of worms that really would be something wouldn’t it? And I’m sure this info would be sending the loons into a tailspin, if it wasn’t for the fact that they refuse to believe any negative story written about Brange in the press, unless of course its a positive story, in which case of course it is 100% evidence of whatever it is they believe about them both!

@ surreal – yeah I think he was out jogging with just one bodyguard if I remember rightly. There was major police presence around his hotel though, just waiting there for him to come back. But he was utterly normal and down-to-earth and nice to bother going round to shake hands with all the people on the street when he probably wanted to rush inside for a shower! I just think once you’ve seen enough celebs in these situations the mystery evaporates. They’re just regular folk doing regular things, nothing remotely different or special about them. The concept of fame is utter madness to me.

@ p – yeah I don’t know about JBJ. As I’ve said before I think there are people who are nice on the surface who do things in their private life that you aren’t too fond of. And especially with famous men, having a loyal wife and many a shag and maybe a lovechild on the side is rife. A Brit talkshow host I used to work with was a classic example, and a lot of other celebs, minor and major, even if they were themselves married to a celeb. I think the lure of celebrity is enough to blind a lot of women into recognising the truth or doing anything about it. Victoria Beckham is the classic example. There is no more unfaithful celeb out there than Becks, and several of his affairs/lfings have been documented in the press and he didn’t sue over any of them. He is well known for shagging anything he can get his hands on, both before and after they were married. She knows and either has revenge flings or goes shopping on his credit card. A more soulless, sad and lonely marriage I never did see.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

@p:
Pilar we had that very discussion last night about the tragedy of role-reversal when the child becomes the parent’s caretaker. Totally unacceptable.

I think we’d agree w/ Pilar – that’s abuse.
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p said on March 28th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

@Keane:
[He is well known for shagging anything he can get his hands on, both before and after they were married. She knows and either has revenge flings or goes shopping on his credit card. A more soulless, sad and lonely marriage I never did see.]

I hear ya. Beckhams. Two more candidates for the Boot Of Justice.

@Z:
[I think we’d agree w/ Pilar - that’s abuse.]
Absolutely. The whole point of childhood is to LEARN how to be a caretaker. Very bind-bending and destructive.

explain, whether or not AJ gets support, or the type of support she gets, will depend largely on whether the stories of frequent drug/alcohol abuse, erratic behavior, violent outbursts, deep depression, etc.. are true. I don’t think anyone here thinks BP is an ideal parent, or that simply “not being crazy” is enough. But it’s a start. Plus he seems to have level-headed parents, or at least they appear to be, to help out.

Right now there are just too many unknowns.
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Keane said on March 28th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

Guys, check out this link, I’m so reileved someone has had the balls to finally come out and say it. I can’t believe it has taken this long though. Re: the adoptions of Madge and Jolie:

http://uk.eonline.com/uberblog/b106628_madonna_urged_by_charity_rethink.html

This guy from Save the Children basically says that not every orphan in the world can or should be transported out of their community and environment and taken to live in Kensington, London (the very poshest, wealthiest part of London for anyone not familiar with it!). He says that orphans should, wherever possible, be supported by people in the west to continue to live in their own community or cared for by extended family, not vacuum-packed and fed-exed to the most exclusive areas of the world! Here, bloody, here! I am so fucking relieved that someone has finally pointed out the absolutely bleeding obivous that celebs are not adopting orphans to save the world, they’re doing it to panda to one of their many shallow little whims. Its like getting the latest handbag it seems, and only marginally more expensive. In that interview on Ellen DeGeneres when she’d just adopted Maddox I was talking about yesterday, Jolie talks about how she wants to adopt more kids and thinks it would be great to have a rainbow of different-coloured children from around the world all living under one roof, and how she thinks that how the whole world should be. I just thought, this adoption business has never been about providing a secure and loving home for a needy child, its about fulfilling some silly little caprice about the way Angelina thinks “the world should be”. Its all about creating a little microcosmic universe of happy race relations under the roof of Angelina the World Unifier! Add to that the unbelievable thing she said recently about wanting to get a child of every religion and you’ve got to question this woman’s sanity. Has anyone ever pointed out to her that children are actually real people that need a lot of love, attention and nurturing, not dolls that can be brought back as a souvenir of your travels to that country then handed over to a team of nannies? It AMAZES me that no-one has ever pointed this out to her or the rest of the world before now.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

@guest:
I didn’t realize Soon Yi was adopted at 7…it still seems young, but maybe that explains why she could do that to her mother…and there was probably manipulation on Woody’s part. He is blech, imo.
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Canuck said on March 28th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

@Kate:
I’ll dig and see if I can find the company (vinyard) results online somewhere. I do think that the French press probably have access to the notarial records (they are the ones who deal with all the legal stuff for real estate transactions in France) or at the very least the cadastral records of the commune in which the Domaine is found. You can get those at the local city hall just by going and asking for it.
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Moody Blue said on March 28th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

@Keane:

[So why don’t you do us all a favour and trot back to your yellow submarine?]

Recycling my joles, aren’t you? Be glad, I’m leaving with great pleasure! You’re actually the most stupid, narrow-minded and dishonest cunt I’ve ever met on the internet. Now please don’t bother replying to me, save your stinking farts, I’m far away already.
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Moody Blue said on March 28th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

@Keane:

[So why don’t you do us all a favour and trot back to your yellow submarine?]

Recycling my jokes, aren’t you? Be glad, I’m leaving with great pleasure! You’re actually the most stupid, narrow-minded and dishonest cunt I’ve ever met on the internet. Now please don’t bother replying to me, save your stinking farts, I’m far away already.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

@Canuck:
Canuck! Do you have Lyme disease?? I was looking up Lyme and Greta Van Susteren (heard she had a blog or something) and saw someone named Canuck talking about Lyme…I figured there may only be one Canuck – but you never know!! Anyway, I’ve had it for years and years!!
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Keane said on March 28th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

Oh Moody dear, you’re being far too generous to yourself, that really was very far from a joke on your part. To be a joke it would have to be ideally 1) funny and 2) make sense. Unfortunately it failed on both counts. “Stupid, narrow-minded and dishonest”? Have you ever bothered to read a word I’ve ever written? Those are the last 3 things I am or ever will be and only a thick-as-shit, arrogant fuck like you could ever interpret what I’ve said in that way. But yes please do go and don’t come back, I thought we’d got rid of you and those other couple of tossers who were around in the beginning a long time ago. Please be careful not to let the door hit you on the head and cause an aneurism on your way out, we all would be so sad. But Moody Blue I will always remember you for one reason and one reason alone: the only fucker so self-congratulatory and full of himself on the internet that he posts a link to a comment he made on this site weeks ago and actually expects someone to go back and look at it – hilarious! As I’ve said before Moody Blue, you truly are a legend in your own head. Now just remember if you can’t take it, don’t fucking dish it out, so kindly fuck off back to wherever you came from. You. Fucking. Cunt. (See I can use bad words too!)
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Canuck said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

@Keane:
I spent 11 years living in various parts of Africa, and I have to categorically disagree with the Save the Children spokesperson’s remark, at least in the case of the countries in which I lived. I think they are using Madge’s latest adoption attempt to milk some publicity for themselves. Madonna doesn’t strike me as an “I pimp out my kids for publicity” kind of Mom, she was already mega-famous and mega-rich well before she adopted. And she visibly doesn’t give much of a shit what anyone thinks of her, and never really has. Angie is a different case.

I’m sorry, but I can’t see how it’s better to be living in an impoverished orphanage with minimal care, no access to decent health care and maybe, if you’re lucky, learning to write your name before quitting school at 8 or 9 than it is to be taken out of that environment and given a life that offers you opportunities. If you’re really lucky, you don’t get farmed out to an “auntie” who then exploits you for her own personal profit and makes you work 18 hour days as a virtual slave. I actually mentally saluted David Banda’s father when he made a point of saying that he had received nothing and didn’t expect to receive anything either, because otherwise his entire village would have been sucking him dry. Seen it happen with employees who actually had to quit because their families were making their lives so miserable over the money they were earning that they were better off not working at all. Voodoo spells and threats. Sure, those kids might not be living in their own culture, but there are an awful lot of Africans living in Europe and North America who don’t want to live in their own culture and chose to leave because they didn’t like the corruption, poverty, lack of education, lack of basic services and the whole tribal mentality that is nothing but another form of racism. Africa is not Kumbaya-land where all “would be good if only we let them live in peace”.

I do think it’s irresponsible to adopt the number of kids in the space of time that Brangie has done, especially if the relationship is a new one. I don’t think those kids are getting what they need to develop into well-adjusted human beings, notably stability in all forms. Madonna most certainly seeks out publicity for herself and is an expert media manipulator, but she isn’t guilty of pimping out her kids like Brangie is. While I’m sure she has a nanny or two, I also don’t think that she totally delegates the upbringing of her children to them, and certainly her ex-husband seemed to be a hands-on Dad. That might be show, I don’t know.

But I think it’s despicable that a charity that has a vested interest in receiving donations to “sponsor a child” makes opportunistic comments like “Mr Nutt said: “If the celebrity really wants to help children in poor countries, they should support charities like Save The Children and others who seek to improve the quality of children’s lives in their own countries and communities.” Especially when Madonna has actually set up a charity in Malawi to help orphans and poor children. Let’s ask Mr. Nutt what percentage of the donations that they receive ACTUALLY go to these kids, and which percentage gets spent on administrative costs? I think that for UNICEF, it’s something like 90 / 10. I suppose that if it brings in extra donations, all is fair in love and war, but Madonna doesn’t and need the publicity and I think it’s unfair and uncalled for that a charity with vested interests bashes her for this.

I’ve ranted… but from experience sometimes it’s better to make a real and profound change for one or two people who deserve a break, than a gesture to thousands that in the end means nothing concrete. JMHO
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Canuck said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

@Z:
Nope, different Canuck (it’s slang for Canadian, kind of like Yank is for an American so you might see it often). I’ve had recurring malaria, but not Lyme disease. I usually use a slightly different version of the nickname based on my globetrotting, but I’d have to kill you if I told you what it was because then you’d find my now-defunct blog and the forum that I call “home”! LOL
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p said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

@Z:
[I didn’t realize Soon Yi was adopted at 7…it still seems young,]
Even kids younger, say 3 or 4 can have a myriad of issues and adoption agencies do their best to prepare parents. I’ve known cases where girls had been “turned-out” by their own mothers at that age, they grow up w/o much sense of right and wrong, or what’s healthy vs unhealthy behavior, with re to certain issues. If I’m not mistaken Soon Yi had been living on the street a while. Allen was an ideal predator for her.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

@Canuck:
“it’s slang for Canadian” – I just looked that up, and then saw your note. So I’m sure there are many Canucks! Yes, don’t tell me the nickname…I don’t want to die…lol. Well, reoccuring Malaria sounds about as fun as Lyme disease….hard shit to get rid of! I hope you are feeling OK. Getting, healthy.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

@p:
So damn sad. My brother-in-law & his wife have a constant assortment of foster kids. I honestly don’t know how they do it. Some of these kids are OK….and really need a safe place (which my relatives pretty much give them – they have an extremely chaotic, but loving home) – but the amount of damage that has been done to too many of these kids is astounding. By their own damn parents. Truly heartbreaking.
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Canuck said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

@Z:
Probably easier to get rid of than Lyme’s disease, once you’re out of the malarial zone, so long as you don’t get the cerebral type. Fortunately, I haven’t had an attack for about 4 or 5 years now although I was pretty good at stopping it in it’s tracks when I felt it coming on. I still travel with quinine in my bag though, it’s as common as aspirin in Africa but can take several days to get in Europe. Lyme’s disease seems to be a whole other kettle of fish that can leave you with nasty life-long problems.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

@Kate:
Geez, OK, that guy looks evil. He really truly does. And what the F is BP doing hanging w/ a child pornographer?! That is so fck’ed! I’m starting to reconsider my opinion that he might be the better parent. Was that pic taken in January? Or just has that date on it? Ack…what is wrong with this world?!?!
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

@Canuck:
I’m really happy to hear you are well!! That’s good news. Sounds like you are informed about Lyme disease…that is good to know! It’s still so unknown or misunderstood. I’ve had it for 20 years…wasn’t diagnosed for 13, so it did it’s damage. I keep seeking for answers though. Right now I’m on so many supplements, it’s ridiculous….
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joanne said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

If they took the cost of raising the one child they “saved”, they could help many. Oprah thinks her shit doesn’t think but that school for girls was a much better thing to do then adopt one to exploit.
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joanne said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

That should say stink, not think.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

@p:
I hear ya. Beckhams. Two more candidates for the Boot Of Justice.

LOL…good one…I like that – the Boot of Justice!
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guest said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

The only thing Brad has going for him, the AJ doesn’t is his parents. If the rumors are true he asked them to move in with them, he obviously recognizes that do have parenting skills. I’m not sure the same can be said for Jon Voigt.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

@joanne:
Good points.
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Keane said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

@ Canuck – I think his (and my) point is that we can not solve the problems of poverty and orphanned children in Africa and in every developing country around the world by picking up one or two chosen children and removing them to a life of incomparable luxury and extravagance in the west. That while those few children may have escaped the poverty and hopelessness of their existence in Africa, many millions more are and always will be left behind. That rather than taking one or two children back to your multi-million pound mansion and shodding their tiny feet in expensive Ugg boots (as she was photographed doing with David), donate your money in order to help many, many more children in exactly the same position lead a reasonable and comfortable life within their own community. I think what he’s saying is that the answer to the problem is not for wealthy people to take a couple of kids away from the country they were born in and lavish a fortune on them, when the rest of the children are left behind in the same position. And while Madonna’s motives may be less reprehensible than Jolie’s, the high profile adoptions tend to give this impression.

While I have not lived in Africa (yet!), it is a great passion and interest of mine and something I’m reading about and thinking about all the time. I don’t believe the west can “fix” Africa – 40 years of charity endeavours and no conceivable improvement suggest otherwise – and I’m more than aware of the corruption, lack of opportunity and lack of desire by African people themselves to actually improve or stay in the situation they’re in. They see the wealth of the west and they want a piece of that, they don’t necessarily want to stay in Africa and remain poor and humble as it were. And in that regard I support emigration to the west, and in greater numbers than most western people are necessarily comfortable with. As I’ve said on blogs before, the ideal for the west is that we throw money and charitable projects at Africa and it starts to help and work itself. But we know from experience that this doesn’t work and can in fact be counter-productive as it encourages corrupt politicians to keep their country poor to keep the charitable donations coming in. A much less comfortable prospect for us may be that we have to allow more Africans to come and live in the west and share our wealth with them that way. Something that many westerners, as charitable as they would like to consider themselves, may well baulk at. This however is a separate issue to what this guy from Save the Children is talking about I think. I think what he’s saying is that the adoptions of people like Madge and Jolie give a false impression that all these people need is a few wealthy people to take a couple of them out of their impoverished existence and the problem is solved. What he’s saying is that while it may make a difference to a couple of children’s lives, the rest are still left in abject poverty. I think he’s trying to draw attention to that first and foremost, which is always my concern when I hear about all these celebrity adoptions. Its become a trend, and that disguises the very serious problems that have not been changed one bit by removing just one child from that situation.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:39 pm

@guest:
I was about to say something like this…get those parents in and keep them in. I know they raised BP, and he’s not exactly normal…but the sibs and the parents seem OK (not that I know much).
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guest said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

Well, the parents are still together.
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guest said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

@Keane:I think it’s difficult for those from the developed world to realize that maybe not everyone wants the American lifestyle. That some cultures value family and community over $$$. And if we cut off the $, some dictatorships might collapse.
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Canuck said on March 28th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

@Keane:
Africa was: First the victim of colonialism, and then the Cold War. Right now, it’s being economically colonized by the Chinese. I think that you’ll see parts of West Africa like Angola being drawn fully into the sphere of Chinese economic influence within a couple of decades.

Africa is an amazingly rich continent that lives in amazing poverty. Mostly because it’s suited the purposes of one or another government(s) to support “our bastard” dictator over another who isn’t “our bastard” regardless of how appallingly they treat their country and it’s people. For all the brouhaha that happened over apartheid, the same thing has and does exist on a tribal basis in every place that I’ve lived. One group has the wealth and a grip on the power handles, and the rest live in the dirt with no running water, education or any sort of social net. The only difference is that it’s Africans doing it to other Africans so no one says anything about it.

Africa needs about 2 generations of re-education for the majority of it’s population to NOT THINK that the life that they lead is normal and inevitable. They need people who can govern who aren’t in it only for the $$$ and the personal power. I firmly believe that the poor educational system(s) is/are deliberate because it keeps the population ignorant and easy to manipulate. They play one group off against another, Hutsu/Tutsi, Black/White, Christian/Muslim in order to gain power for themselves. Sadly, there aren’t many Mandelas around.

As for ameliorating the plight of the average African, there isn’t much industry there, most is agricultural or natural resources. The farmers can’t compete against the subsidy receiving farmers/agrobusinesses from the wealthier countries, despite their costs being much lower. Take those away and they would have a much better chance. But there aren’t too many first world countries ready to let their own farmers sink in order to let the third world farmers rise, it doesn’t buy votes.

The real solution for Africa is to allow it, push it, help it develop into a place that people don’t want to leave to look for a better life elsewhere. The parts of the continent that I’ve seen are amazing, endearing, and have all that it takes to be successful if given the chance. Most people don’t leave their families, their cultures and everything that is familiar unless they are searching for a better life (or have met someone from somewhere else). If that better life was available at home, they would stay there and benefit from it.

@guest:
That is also very true. That’s one of the things I like about Europe and the parts of the Middle East I’ve spent time in. Sure they like their fridges, cars and air conditioning, but they have a different set of values and views on what is important in life. Children are not treated like they are some sort of bothersome little beasts. I’ve been quite favorably impressed with the Brits (in my neighborhood anyways) since I’ve been here too, they have a way of dealing with kids that is at once laid back and mellow, and very effective.
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Kate said on March 28th, 2009 at 8:09 pm

@Z:

Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

@Kate:
Geez, OK, that guy looks evil. He really truly does. And what the F is BP doing hanging w/ a child pornographer?! That is so fck’ed! I’m starting to reconsider my opinion that he might be the better parent. Was that pic taken in January? Or just has that date on it? Ack…what is wrong with this world?!?!

Child porn and cross dressing? Ekk

I think the picture was just posted in Jan 2009 because looking at Pitts hair that is how he wore it when he was with Jen. Now I don’t know how well he knew this child pornograpaher, but he was a camera buff even when married to Jen. Ted C reported on the pics of him and Jen that got out that he tried to contain, and did.

This pic brought to mind Sugar Ray saying that Brad gets that Sexual Healing like Marvin Gayes father, who we know was a cross dresser. Over on FF someone made a thread called “Is Brad bisexual?” and on that thread they have posted all the pictures of Brad in woman’s dresses. Most were for Rollings Stones, but I remember that there was one he dressed up in for something in High School, that is online somewhere. That, reminded me of the W spread he photographed. Some of the pics he took of the kids were questionable imo. The one with Pax with the tie on reminded me of the naked pic of Jen with the tie on. Very sexual. Then there is Zahara’s butt in high heels. We have the person in the see through nightgown or sheet or whatever the heck that is standing next to the staircase and that sure as hell is not Angelina because in all the other pictures her ankles are tiny. Someone on FF pointed out they though Angelina took that one and it is Brad dressed up in a woman’s nightgown. Brad said they took a lot more photos but none that could be shown to the public and laughed, and she said something similar indicating they were close to porn. Keeping all that in mind, I wonder if what Sugar Ray was telling us, is that Brad Pitt is a cross dresser and he likes to wear woman’s clothes while making love. Now, that folks might be the Spitzer connection. Can’t you see that coming out in the mainstream news. Then there is the child porn angle however mild it might be, after all , his first W shoot he was depicted raping their mother, and that was his bright idea.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

@guest:
I know a woman from Costa Rica who was talking about a friend of hers who is really, really poor…no mattress to sleep on, etc. The woman I know said this “poor” woman is the happiest person she knows. I think it would be hard for some to understand that…but that is probably true joy.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

@Kate:
Yikes. I have that mag and just flipped through…haven’t looked at it yet…but I’ll check it out. It worries me that he would think it’s OK to take pics like that of his kids. I remember somewhere….it might have been in the W letters section – someone mentioned the picture of Zee and was pretty upset and I got the impression she/he thought it was very inappropriate. I also read recently about Pitt saying something about being behind the lens was sexy and I definitely got the impression those unshowable photos were close to porn. Pretty interesting that one might be him in a nightgown. You figure if it’s not her ankle, it’s not the kids ankles either. I was thinking that maybe he just made the mistake of being photographed with that disgusting porn guy…but the pics of his own kids that he took…scary. And thinking that it’s OK or that it’s art. That is incomprehensible to me….to show the whole world? Or whoever sees the magazine…you know, I can not wrap my mind around that.
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p said on March 28th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

@Canuck:
Wow sorry C. I remember having to take quinine tablets prophylactically, when I was a tike, abroad. I hated it. My father had Malaria and several flare-ups. We never spoke of it.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

@Canuck:

Wow, Canuck…the span between the rich/those in power and the poor is so extreme. And I’m sure you are right about the education and keeping the people ignorant. I saw a play last Summer about the Hutsu and Tutsi….it was really heart breaking….and based on reality. But still a play that I could walk out of after it was over.
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Kate said on March 28th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

@Z:
And thinking that it’s OK or that it’s art. That is incomprehensible to me….to show the whole world? Or whoever sees the magazine…you know, I can not wrap my mind around that.

He may think it is art, as Jen said. Maybe after being in that world so long his mind is warped. There was a report his parents were upset. I found some more information that supports Sugar Rays report I am going to put on that thread. I think Angelina did have an abortion.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

@Kate:
InTouch claims that Brad is furious about Angelina’s decision to take on filming Salt while “he’s home with the kids.” Angelina was apparently overheard saying on the phone, “Will you please respect the fact that I am working right now?”

I read that but with AJ saying “Go take care of the kids” after asking BP to not call at work.

“James thinks it’s good for Angie to put some space between her and Brad,”

Of course he does.
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Z said on March 28th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

@Kate:
“He may think it is art, as Jen said. Maybe after being in that world so long his mind is warped. ”

I was thinking the same thing. Interesting about the parents and the abortion…I’ll go over to the SR thread…
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Kate said on March 28th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

@Z:
I bet Brad is not even there. He can not stand James Haven. The only reason James is there imo is to take care of the kids because Brad is not there. Remember when Brad took off for Italy when Angelina was in the hospital, who was with the kids at the Chateau, it was James…
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Kate said on March 28th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

By Katie Nicholl
Last updated at 10:02 PM on 28th March 2009

They appeared to have the perfect relationship but Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt seem to have hit their first rocky patch.

Sources on Angelina’s new movie, Salt, say she is exhausted and is barely seeing Brad and her children – who have moved from LA to New York, where she is filming, to be closer to her.
Relations between Angelina, 33, and Brad, 45, are understood to be so strained that she is living alone at New York’s Waldorf Astoria Hotel, while he and their six children are renting a house nearby.

Their first rocky patch: Angelina Jolie is reportedly staying in a New York hotel while partner Brad Pitt remains in a house nearby with their six children
Angelina’s tiredness and a dramatic weight loss are concerning Brad and her producers.

‘Brad and the kids have barely visited the set and Angelina seems very insular,’ says a source.
‘She’s staying on her own, working 15-hour days and the stress is taking its toll. We’re all very concerned.

‘She’s on a liquid detox diet to lose 21lb in 20 days. She is doing all the stunts herself and barely has time to eat.

‘She is looking so small on camera, the producers have had to have a discreet word.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar … -toll.htm
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p said on March 28th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

@Canuck:
[One group has the wealth and a grip on the power handles, and the rest live in the dirt with no running water, education or any sort of social net. The only difference is that it’s Africans doing it to other Africans so no one says anything about it.

Africa needs about 2 generations of re-education for the majority of it’s population to NOT THINK that the life that they lead is normal and inevitable. They need people who can govern who aren’t in it only for the $$$ and the personal power.]
I think India’s cast system is a good example. The rich strike deals w the strong, industry is brought in that employs just a tiny fraction of the population and is heralded as triumph, meanwhile regular folk are kicked, or tricked, off what little land they had which might have been farm-able and life-sustaining, and are worse off than before. Yeah culpability EVERYWHERE. I agree with your comments.
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Guest said on March 29th, 2009 at 6:23 am

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/book_extracts/article5992803.ece

Brangelina’s creepy little African coup
How celebrities can exploit the power of their fame to take over a whole country
Marina Hyde
On the eve of the most recent Palestinian presidential elections, a tele-vised message was broadcast to voters in the region. “Hi, I’m Richard Gere,” smiled its star, “and I’m speaking for the entire world . . .”

Did you miss the meeting at which this got decided? Do you find it confusing that Gere should claim not simply to be speaking for himself (debatable), but for the whole of Earth?

Then apologies for startling you, but this is your world. Try not to choke on it. In 1990 Richard was starring in Pretty Woman; 15 years later he was making formal interventions into Middle Eastern politics.

Once upon a time the entertainment industry was an industry that made entertainment. Its workforce was required to do quaint things such as show up to movie sets, or make music, or go to wild parties.

Today that brief has expanded slightly. In the past two years alone, celebrities have used the New York headquarters of the United Nations as a venue from which to sell luxury goods. Their cell-matter has been traded on the open market. They have made spectacularly uncalled for, even more spectacularly uninformed, statements on sensitive matters of science and medicine. The Russian parliament has voted on whether to send one of them to the International Space Station.

This is all true. As I say in my new book Celebrity (Harvill Secker £11.99), they have taken over the world and we need an exit strategy.

You’ll be familiar with certain megastars’ practice of having stores close their doors so they can have the place all to themselves. Imagine if they could do that with a whole country. Great news: they can.

Back in 2006, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie opted to give birth to their first biological child in Namibia. They did this for a variety of reasons, which can be broadly summarised as “total affectation”.

Two months ahead of delivery, the couple and their two other, adopted, children headed to the seaside hamlet of Langstrand and set about weaving their African dream. The image offered to the public was that of two Hollywood idols roughing it in the Third World. The reality, not altogether surprisingly, was that the couple had rented the entire local five-star hotel.

As for the eventual birth, which tabloid readers may have pictured taking place in a mud hut with only a witch doctor for assistance . . . that in fact occurred in a first-class clinic, under the auspices of the obstetrician whom Angelina had flown over from Los Angeles.

But we’re racing ahead of ourselves, because the big birth had a really packed undercard. In the weeks leading up to it, Angelina’s bodyguard was charged with assaulting a restaurant owner. This charmer was in charge of a huge armed security detail that cordoned off roads, used pepper spray, chased away locals and generally disported themselves as renegade law enforcers.

As the pageant unfolded, the local governor’s declaration that “We don’t want them to be harassed” was superseded by strong-arm tactics. Government-backed security teams conducted house-to-house searches of Langstrand, apparently on the suspicion that locals could be shielding members of the world’s media.

Although it’s difficult to cite the point at which the situation tipped over into dark farce, you’d probably locate it around the moment when the Namibian government began enforcing a nofly zone over the stretch of coast on which the couple’s hotel lay. Congratulations, Namibia. You have ceded control of your airspace to the star of Tomb Raider.

The Namibians are wonderful people, as Brad and Angelina were good enough to tell the world – but the feeling was not entirely mutual.

“Never in my life have I seen two individuals exercise so much power here,” was the furious verdict of Phil ya Nangoloh, executive director of the National Society for Human Rights, Namibia’s foremost human rights organisation. “They effectively captured the state.”

It got worse. Halfway through their stay, Leon Jooste, Namibia’s tourism minister, weighed in. “[Brad and Angelina] never asked for anything,” he explained. “They simply said to me, ‘Listen, things are getting a bit out of hand’. So I spoke to a bunch of people within government. For a small country like ours, with a small economy and a growing tourism industry, this is of major marketing value for us.

“What we’ve done is that every time they’ve got an appointment with a photographer or a journalist, they contact me and tell me ‘Mr So-and-so’ is coming, and I contact the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting, and they contact the Ministry of Home Affairs, and they inform the immigration department.”

What could be simpler? Further light was shed after investigations by the Pretoria News in South Africa, which reported that “the Namibian embassy in Pretoria has told journalists seeking visas for Namibia to [cover the birth] that they must have permission from Pitt and Jolie in writing before they will be allowed into the country”.

As the minister said, it’s a marketing opportunity. If a few freedoms have to be trampled in the cause of getting a little star power behind your sovereign state, them’s the breaks. Weirdly, there were those who remained doggedly unwilling to toe this line. “Imagine if a celebrity couple controlled England’s borders,” was Nangoloh’s exasperated take. “This is very antidemocratic.”

He drew attention to the case of a South African journalist who had both camera and passport confiscated, adding pointedly: “This time it wasn’t apartheid rulers restricting his freedom of expression, but government officials in thrall to Brad and Angelina.”

The key thing to keep reminding oneself of is that Angelina does not style herself as a stereotypical Hollywood diva who’d think nothing of turning an entire country into a VIP room. She is a strident liberal who has part of the UN declaration of human rights tattooed across her neck.

“Ms Jolie is a goodwill ambassador for the United Nations,” Nangoloh observed acidly, “yet she seemed to tolerate the removal of human rights that are guaranteed by the UN.”

Anyway, to compound the horror – and to kill any last suggestion that the government was anything less than utterly prostrate before this pair – the Namibian president wrote Angelina a thank-you letter before her departure. “For the first time ever,” gushed Sam Nujoma, “our entire nation can agree on something – how wonderful it is that you chose Namibia for your special day. You didn’t just birth a child but a new era for our new country. If we are the UN’s baby then you, as one of its greatest supporters, are among its founding mothers.”

For her part, Angelina returned to the United States and promptly granted an exclusive interview to CNN, portentously billed as “Angelina Jolie: her mission and motherhood”.

“The borders were drawn in Africa not that long ago,” Angelina explained. “These people are tribal people. We colonised them . . . They have just recently learnt to govern themselves . . . And we need to be there to really support them at that time, to help them to understand how better to govern.”

As Nangoloh put it: “We have around 150,000 orphans in this country and a lot of crime. I want to know how much money was wasted protecting two actors.” He demanded an inquiry but was denied it.

So next time Angelina flaunts her “Know your rights” tattoo, remember this: you have the right to completely ignore her.

© Marina Hyde 2009

Extracted from “Celebrity: How Entertainers Took Over The World And Why We Need an Exit Strategy”, to be published by Harvill Secker on April 2 at £11.99. Available at BooksFirst price £10.79 – free p&p.
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Canuck said on March 29th, 2009 at 6:54 am

@Guest:
That whole episode was an utter disgrace. Just so she could have balance aka another African baby.
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surreal said on March 29th, 2009 at 7:42 am

@Keane:
Keane, I agree that both Brad and Angelina have very limited parenting skills. They seem to lack the basic skills that most people get growing up by either baby-sitting or taking care of younger siblings. If nothing else, they lack common sense. Anyone with sense would realize that adopting and/or producing six kids in less than 4 years time in a recipe for disaster. Maddox and Zahara come off as brats, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re p–ed about the rapidly expanding brood. I think Maddox may have a legitimate beef, as Angelina used him as bait to reel in Brad, then promptly added kid after kid to the brood once mission was accomplished.

There are lot of threads on FF about Brangelina’s inept parenting. I recall one photo where Brad takes Zahara and Shiloh to a toy store. Brad is focused entirely on Zahara, while Shiloh is left to fend for herself. If the paps weren’t there, Shiloh could have been snatched by a sicko or could have wandered off. There’s also a thread about how Angelina apparently enjoys pitting the kids against each other. Brad and Angelina may lack parenting skills because they are narcisisstic and immature. I think they both need parenting classes.
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Z said on March 29th, 2009 at 9:27 am

@p:
I saw pictures of where two of the children that acted in Slumdog Millionaire live…it is unbelievable…they live in a trash dump, basically. Overrun by rats…no bathrooms…trash everywhere….heartbreaking – there just are no words…
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Jezzy said on March 29th, 2009 at 9:52 am

Good morning ya’ll, and interesting story in the Daily Mail about Jolie living by herself at the Waldorf Astoria and Pitt and the kids living together in a house near by. Good call about the slow drip stories to the media Keane.
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Z said on March 29th, 2009 at 9:55 am

@Guest:
“Ms Jolie is a goodwill ambassador for the United Nations,” Nangoloh observed acidly, “yet she seemed to tolerate the removal of human rights that are guaranteed by the UN.”

More hypocrisy – how surprising.
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Z said on March 29th, 2009 at 9:59 am

@surreal:
“There’s also a thread about how Angelina apparently enjoys pitting the kids against each other.”

Just what those kids need on top of everything else, their parent manipulating them into hating each other. The more I read the sicker & angrier I get.
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joanne said on March 29th, 2009 at 10:41 am

@Z:
Yet people spout adoration about her, if you didn’t, you weren’t allowed to post. The media rolled out the red carpet for her and I think America needs new ambassadors. Star was my favorite bathroom reading rag mag. All of a sudden they got glossier and the Jolie-Pitts got together and they went down hill fast. They prasied Jolie and tried to ruin Aniston. I had to find new bathroom reading. That story about them in Africa made me constipated.
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Z said on March 29th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

@joanne:
That story about them in Africa made me constipated.

LOL – well that’s the last thing you need in the bathroom! Was Star one of the ones bought off by Brangelina (Like People)?
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moo said on March 29th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

a blind item I just got from BlindGossip.com but originated on Buzzphoto I think it’s quite interesting not nescessarily AJ but interesting:
BuzzFoto – This celebrity who is known for being an outspoken advocate of adoption, recently was on set calling another cast member the ‘n’ word. You know which word we mean, the totally disgusting one. We wonder how an adoptive child would feel about that.
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joanne said on March 29th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

@Z:
I just thought Star had a loonie talking to them. Probably octomom.
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Z said on March 29th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

@moo:
Disgusting is right…I wonder who it is. Amazes me that people would say that word.
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p said on March 29th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

Can someone direct me to the title/date of the thread where Ian says (or his source does) that AJ plays the kids against each other. Thanks.
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Kate said on March 29th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

@p:
I have never seen that with Ian, I think someone said they saw that at FF.
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Kate said on March 29th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

@moo:
blind item I just got from BlindGossip.com but originated on Buzzphoto I think it’s quite interesting not nescessarily AJ but interesting:
BuzzFoto – This celebrity who is known for being an outspoken advocate of adoption, recently was on set calling another cast member the ‘n’ word. You know which word we mean, the totally disgusting one. We wonder how an adoptive child would feel about that.

LOL most everyone over there is guessing Angleina. So is she not getting along with her co-star in Salt. Cast member though does tend to make me think that person is on TV but I can not think of another person who is adoption advocate. Madonna is not filming on set and she is in the middle of adopting from Africa so that lets her out.
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Canuck said on March 29th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

Hmmm, then maybe the sunshine baby who is loving the Salt and Pepper is the Hawaiian model guy whose name I can’t find now but who is working on the film, not the black British guy. She’d better be careful if she’s calling him stuff like that, voodoo fan that she is purported to be. That dude is of Nigerian origin and voodoo is actually from that part of the world. They’ve got plants and concoctions that can do nasty shit to you that the Western doctors can’t even detect.
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Keane said on March 29th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

@ Kate and moo – seriously? Is Angelina really THAT uncool? Lol. Whatever will we hear next. Is it the drugs addling her brain do you think?
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Keane said on March 29th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

@ Canuck – God, can Angelina not go 5 minutes without banging somebody/everybody? I assumed she was back with her brother now. She’s supposed to have had a “wife” all the time she’s been with Brad and now this Haiwaian dude? Lord, is there anyone she hasn’t banged? Again, I blame the drugs.
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Kate said on March 29th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

@Keane:
I tend to think she talks about it more than she doe it. Those drugs take you down and wipe out your sex drive completely. I bet she crashes at night on them. NO sex. I don’t think the blind is her, I don’t see her ever using that word. Just my take. Never know, she is unstable, but castmember sounds like someone on a TV show, doesn’t it?
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Keane said on March 29th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

I think you would use that term for a film too, what else would you call them? To use that word she’d have to be extremely strung out cos surely no-one of reasonable intelligence woud do that in this day and age. But then, maybe the arrogant side to her turns her into a horror who knows? ITA on the sex thing too. I get the impression with Jolie that there is a lot of showing off that goes on about stuff that everyone does, but she acts like she’s the only one who does it. She’s the only one who has sex, the only one who has children, the only one who adopts, the only one who does humanitarian work, the only one with French heritage and (arguably) speaks a bit of French. All totally normal things that everyone does but she tlaks about like she invented them and she is so special. I have an ex-friend who is exactly the same, shows off about the most ridiculous things that everyone does but she thinks makes her so special. She just sounds like an idiot. Needless to say she is a very insecure person.
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Z said on March 29th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

@Kate:
“LOL most everyone over there is guessing Angleina. So is she not getting along with her co-star in Salt”

LOL…That’s what I was thinking..so maybe that’s not the salt-n-pepa AJ loves….who would be stupid enough to use that word? Would she?
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Z said on March 29th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

@Keane:
No wonder she’s tired, worn out and skinny…who wouldn’t be with all that banging (and drugs)…lol.
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Z said on March 29th, 2009 at 7:26 pm

@Kate:
LOL…falling asleep. : ) that’s funny.

I think it would have to be someone really stupid and low to use a word like that.
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p said on March 30th, 2009 at 12:04 am

@Kate:
[Those drugs take you down and wipe out your sex drive completely. I bet she crashes at night on them. NO sex.] Yep same with alcohol, it’s a depressant and can really squash bedroom fun after a while.
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Not Very Interesting said on March 30th, 2009 at 2:01 am

@Keane:

> I have an ex-friend who is exactly the same, shows off about the most ridiculous things that everyone does but she thinks makes her so special. She just sounds like an idiot. Needless to say she is a very insecure person.

Methinks that’s your own portrait.
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Keane said on March 30th, 2009 at 8:39 am

Ah “Not Very Interesting” is it now? I think we’ve been down this road before don’t you? Truth hurts, doesn’t it?
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Not Very Interesting said on March 30th, 2009 at 11:03 am

@Keane:

Obviously it does!
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surreal said on March 30th, 2009 at 11:19 am

@p:
I apologize I don’t have the exact threads on FF. I was reporting on my general impressions after reading many of the threads. I know one thread mentions that when Shiloh was an infant, Zahara screamed in her face every morning and AJ did not stop it;rather, she thought it was funny. There are stories about Zahara and Maddox beating up on Shiloh and Pax, and obviously Brangelina don’t try to stop it, or they may be too preoccupied. There are stories about favoritism, dressing Zahara in designer outfits, while making Shiloh wear her cast-offs.

“Pitting the kids against each other” might have been the wrong term. They are not able to handle the kids and have no clue how to raise them. Neglect could also be an issue, because sometimes the kids appear in public looking disheveled.
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Not Very Interesting said on March 30th, 2009 at 11:38 am

@surreal:

Oh poor, poor little rich things!
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guest said on March 30th, 2009 at 11:40 am

I know I’ve seen more than a few comments various places from black women commenting on the poor care of Zahara’s hair. Didn’t Pitt say something along the lines of he couldn’t handle all 4 of the kids at once (pre twins) and you never see either of them alone with more than 2.
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surreal said on March 30th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

@Not Very Interesting:
But to quote the old aphorism, money doesn’t buy happiness.

Guest, I’ve also seen a lot of stories from Black women commenting on the state of Zahara’s hair. I don’t know what the deal is on that. To me, it would make sense to put Z’s hair into the care of an African American stylist. Brangelina have money to burn, so they could afford to have Z’s hair done at least every week. They could also have an AA stylist train them on how to fix Z’s hair. These seem like very common sense solutions to me. Apparently Z’s hair could be ruined if it is not taken care of properly.
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OMG said on March 30th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

@Not Very Interesting:
Ha! Ha! – I have been reading this blog for a few weeks on the recommendation of another blog site…. Won’t be back anytime soon – Keane’s total knowledge of every subject under the sun has made this site absolutely intolerable!
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guest said on March 30th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

Just a question, for all her comments about having a rainbow tribe, does Brangelina even have anyone of color permanently in their retinue? I think she, in particular, would be threatened by anyone telling her she doesn’t know what she’s doing with the children’s cultural needs.
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Kate said on March 30th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

@OMG:
What has made this blog great is that people refrain from making personal commentary on one another and contribute to the subject we are discussing. We would love to have you join us in that, it is really great seeing so many different perspectives and I am really excited to see so many people here thoughtfully posting to one another. Keane only lashes out at times when we have someone come and try to disrupt that, but if you have been reading for several weeks it sounds like you are interested in the forum and what Ian is posting, so why not join us instead of being critical? If you are uneasy with a poster there are many others here you can converse with, as you can see. Keane is very insightful and has been a wonderful contribution , and I am sure you will be too, just give us all a chance.
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Keane said on March 30th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

@ Kate – sweetheart, you are so nice but OMG is just another variation of “Not Very Interesting” and all the other ones. This woman is obsessed with me. I wonder why that could be? Like I said the truth hurts doesn’t it which is why she just can’t let it drop. And “mystery lady” let’s call you, if you think I’m the only person who has your card marked you are sadly mistaken. The world is full of people who think exactly like I do. Unfortunately you’ve had the media all tied up for far too long. But look what happened to Heather Mills after she split from Paul McCartney and lost his protection, the wolves attacked and pulled her apart. The same will happen to you no question. Journos hate you and can’t until the tide of public opinion has turned enough to turn to take you down. And I will laugh.
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